Proof that Qibla is the Kaabah in Mecca

hafeez_kazi

Dear brother Babansif peace be upon you.

I believe that you have got confused with Qiblah, Kaaba, Masjid Al Haram, Mecca Bacca, BELLY of MECCA. Never take for granted any thing that is found on the internet. 99% of the stuff you will find filled with the Hadith.

I will give you some points to ponder and it is your duty to go deep to find out the truth which is buried under the lies of HADITH.

Verily! the first HOUSE appointed for MANKIND was that at Becca, BLESSED, a guidance to ALL people; 396

What you understood from the above verse?

What is a HOUSE?

Open a dictionary and find out what does a HOUSE means any place where human beings or animals live, it may be building, bungalow, tent, etc. or even an open place. What you will not find in the dictionary is a cubic structure with idols inside and being called a HOUSE. The place where idol worship is performed is called Temple, Gurudwara etc. and where believers gather together to praise Allah is called MASJID and like wise we have church, synagogue etc.

SO YOU HAVE TO PROVE THAT THE FIRST HOUSE IS A PLACE OF WORSHIP.

The second point is that the first HOUSE was not CONSTRUCTED but WUDIA means PLACED or SET UP. Now think who has placed it or set up the first HOUSE? It is none other than Allah, then who told you that Abraham constructed the first House?

IF it is a First House then where is the second, the third and so on? If I say that the first airport appointed for the Americans was that at NEW YORK, it means there must be other airports in New York and if there are other airports then how to identify the first airport among them. What is the distinguishing sign to identify the first airport. (please think in the context of 1400 years before).

Now here is the clue the first house at BACCA is BLESSED and GUIDANCE for the ENTIRE mankind. (My translation for sign is WARNING)

If you consider KAABA as the FIRST HOUSE, which cannot be a living place, cannot be a BLESSED PLACE and cannot be a PLACE OF GUIDANCE OR WARNING.

NOW BRING PROOF THAT THE FIRST HOUSE IS, CONSTRUCTED , A PLACE OF WORSHIP, A PLACE BLESSED AND A PLACE OF GUIDANCE /WARNING TO THE ENTIRE MANKIND.

The only PLACE BLESSED for MANKIND is the place where ABRAHAM and LOUT ARRIVED after their migration from their home towns.

And We saved him and Lot to a land which We had blessed for all people 2171

IT IS BLESSED FOR MANKIND BUT GUIDANCE FOR ALL MANKIND

THINK WHY IT IS NOT BLESSED FOR ALL MANKIND. THINK WHY IT IS GUIDANCE FOR ALL MANKIND

So the First House is a LIVING/DWELLING place for mankind (where Abraham and Lout landed ) and is blessed by the Lord.

For the time being this is enough for you to ponder, and Insha Allah if time permits then I will post some more points worth pondering.

Thanks.

Babansif

Salaam banansif,

I understand a lot of stuff is invented and you can barely participate on Hajj due to the idol worship being committed on-site. Since you are not allowed to pray in Mosques where people commit idol worship it is questionable if it is right to go to Mecca and join the crowd there for the pilgrimage. Personally I have had some problems going to pray in Mosques due to this fact, been living in an Islamic Republic.

It is also undeniable that a prayer is a focused act when you devout your mind to God alone, but could perhaps be another than the uniform prayer that traditional Muslims perform today. I have came to the point that I understand that a prayer is absolute concentration and contact with God, but it feels natural to fall down on knees to pray, crossing hands or do something special for God, He is after all your Maker. On the other hand, if the prayer is absolutely devoted to God alone it does not matter if you do the uniform Muslim prayer that is being done today, the prayer we all know about, but it would be pretty courteous to add some custom words to the prayer being offered to God and not just utter some words that have lost their meaning because you say them too often. I mean, if you speak freely to God using custom words, you will feel the connection being more alive, if you know what I mean. And I doubt God's mindset is dull enough to appreciate just repeating the exact same words like a parrot every day, God is the living, the Eternal, I find it illogical to believe He wants a monotone prayer being offered from day to day. Although I doubt God will ever get bored of anything, I think it is more devout to be more mindful of the prayer situation.

To actually get a true meaning out of the prayer is very important. From all the tinkering with the discourse of the Quran, we cannot disregard the fact God has told us to be disciplined and do something at specific times of the day. You cannot deny this fact, I doubt the Arabic interpretation and meaning has become that twisted over 1400 years, even if the interpretation has been adapted to suit the traditional Islamic mindset. God wants us to keep a schedule of extra remembrance of Him at certain times of the day and I doubt we cannot do this without some sort of ritual at least, without losing the focus of a definite prayer.

I mean, thinking about God you do mostly all day, but you have to do something extra at these certain times per day and I doubt just keeping God in mind and not do something physical is enough. I mean, if we want something, do we not have the tendency to cross our hands and hope something? If we truly beg for something to someone do we not do just more than cross our hands?

Qualifying for Heaven is the true purpose of the life we live here on Earth, and we are here because God apparently would not let us into there without some hard work to redeem ourselves from an original sin our ancestors committed and that we are not perfect individuals. Would you accept someone, if you were God, if they just kept you in mind and respected you a little and nothing more plus followed some basic things that a lot of disbelievers already follow without believing in God, considering they had offended you very seriously at some point?

No, of course you would not! You would expect them to come beg on their knees to prove themselves and the context of the Quran hints at that, it is undeniable too. They should beg you to please forgive you and accept the imperfect nature of theirs. At least they should not show such arrogance that the majority of humans do. You cannot do such gross interpretation of the Quran, as to remove all elements of begging for forgiveness without disbelieving in the message of the Quran.

Of course God is the Most Gracious, Most Merciful, but the Quran is telling you that He needs to forgive you to permit you to enter Paradise when this time comes. It is undeniable too that you have to work relatively hard to reach this goal and it should be what you spend most of your life trying to reach. Are you too proud to humiliate yourselves to God as to pray on your knees or even dropping your head to the ground? Imagine how enormously much bigger God is that you that you cannot even compare Him with you.

This act of worship seems like the stone age, but is does it ever become outdated?

I trust that my divine inspiration that I get and the message I can understand from the Quran would be so incorrect that I would be doing all wrong. I trust that the Holy Spirit will guide me, and you should too. I even accept the rational parts of the Bible and its message. The Gospel mainly makes sense, the tips on how to be righteous work just fine from all sources. Just ignore the irrelevant that seems to make no sense.

I think pilgrimage could be done to anywhere that makes sense and reinforces your thoughts about God without associating partners with Him, however it seems to be something special about Hajj. To the crowd in the Quran (yes it was directed to the people of that time) this was Mecca/Medina obviously and those whereabouts.

Let us hope we all can purify the religion enough to prove where the real location of Muhammad was, if not Mecca, so that we do not have to argue about direction of pilgrimage or prayer. I do not think the true way to start is to omit parts of the Quran. We should not try to change the religion too much through wishful thinking, just because we want to believe everything traditional Muslims do is wrong. It feels arrogant to think everything is utterly wrong, even if humans are prone to change things to their liking. It highly doubt Muhammad is an invented person and I doubt what is described in the Quran is wrong, thus believing it really happened and that it happened in that region as we normally believe today.

The biggest problem we have is idol worship and it is what we should concentrate on not committing. Adding deifying elements to Jesus in the Gospel is the main change of the story there and the Quran seems to be untouched and therefore we should not change too much on how we perceive things as long as we trust God and that He could keep things intact if we just put our mind to it. Obvious distortions are easily spotted and as long as you believe in God alone, the Hereafter and maintain a righteous life this will be enough for your salvation, even if you continue the rites of a Muslim unless you know better.

Anyway, I devote much of my time praying that God will enlighten me about the understanding of the Quran, because this general confusion disturbs me. I am myself confused, but unless I know better I follow my inspiration. Having rituals seems natural to me and my worship of the Lord. Much is happening religiously to my life and I think things will change soon, perhaps sooner than we think. Some days I wish I would understand the 1400 year old Arabic in the Quran perfectly and also know ancient Greek and Hebrew, and also had untouched versions of the Torah and Gospel. But hey, life cannot be too easy I suppose? Anyway if you persevere and remain steadfast in seeking the Truth God will inform you about it, and you can preach it, if you are worthy. And, if what you know not reaches someone else, you should not be jealous and immediately hearken unto the Message revealed. No one is more worth than the other.

Maybe it is time for another Messenger? I have a feeling something is happening. Maybe messengers after Muhammad came, but they remained unnoticed. I read some about Martin Luther recently and it made me think a little, and also I made some thinking about Rashad Khalifa and his impact on the religion. Could they have failed to been noticed because they failed God's test? I was thinking about this the other day. I heard that Khalifa made some unrighteous claims and Martin Luther still seemed obsessed with Jesus Christ (unless the history records were changed).

Please oh Lord, enlighten us and let us not dwell here without knowing the Truth about the religious practices.

No matter that, I will still forever remain a believer, God has made me completely certain, I am a man of faith, hence my chosen nickname. This does not guarantee that I will pass God's test, but I will try, and we should all do. I have seen too much evidence and signs of God's existence to deny it. I feel spoiled. I am forever thankful.

Sorry that I drifted off-topic and rambled on about my personal experiences, but I hope some of it made any sense to you.

God bless you.

Brother if you are trying to tell me that prayer( Al salat) is a physical form then you are absolutely right. Here is some proof from the site Quran Islam that tells you in a Good and convincing way that the prayer is a physical form.

I will go straight to the point whoever makes any of these claims are only showing their ignorance with the Quran!
Ever since the Internet has been available to anyone anywhere in the world, there has been a surge of new self appointed interpreters who are playing havoc with religion and are inventing many new absurd claims. Perhaps they are ego seekers seeking recognition and one way to get it is by being different!
Needless to say, we have heard these claims before where they claim that Salat is not a physical ritual but that it simply means to uphold commitment to God or even commitment to our daily activities. Others interpreted Salat to mean the state of submission to God.
Those who advocate such claims may sound convincing to innocent readers who may not be familiar with the Quran, but it can easily be shown that all such claims denote a person's poor understanding of the Quran!

Let us read the following Quranic verse, it will give us proof that Salat is a physical ritual and not just a commitment (to God).

?And if you are among them and you lead the SALAT for them, led a group of them stand with you and let them have their weapons with them, then when they have prostrated let them stand guard behind you and let another group who have not done the SALAT yet observe the SALAT also while being on guard and armed with their weapons. The disbelievers would dearly like you to be heedless of your weapons and goods, in order for them to take you in a single assault.? 4102

The above Quranic words confirm the following

1- The word Salat in 4102 cannot simply mean a commitment since the words in this verse speak of the Prophet (or leader) leading the Salat. How can the Prophet, or anyone leading the Salat be leading a commitment to God? Commitment to God is a personal attribute inside the believer and is not something that can be led in a congregation.

2- The command in 4102 is for various groups of believers to stand with their arms while observing the Salat. Do we need to be armed to be committed to God? Obviously not, but because the believers are observing a physical ritual which makes them vulnerable to attack from the enemy they would indeed need to hold their arms with them.

3- The words in 4102 also say that while each group is observing the Salat with the Prophet (or leader of the Salat) that another group should stand guard. So if we substitute the word Salat here with commitment to God, or submission to God, then not only would the believers need to hold their arms while being committed to God, but they would also need another group to guard them while they are committed to God!

4- But that is not all, the words ?when they have prostrated let them stand guard behind you and let another group who have not done their Salat yet, observe the Salat with you? would raise further questions. If we use the interpretation of Salat to mean commitment to God, this would mean that the second group who have not yet observed their Salat, or in other words, who have not committed to God?s orders yet, come to the Prophet who will lead them to committing to God?s orders! Yet another proof to confirm that this absurd interpretation of the word Salat is in total violation of every word in 4102.

5- If we assume that observing the Salat means to be committed to God?s orders, or be in submission to God, then it follows that whoever has not observed the Salat yet is not in submission to God yet! We read in 4102 about a group who have not observed their Salat yet, this would mean that they are not in submission to God yet. So what are they doing with the Prophet, and how can they be guarding the believers.

6- Does the act of being committed to God need to be done in groups? Or does it need a leader? Obviously not, this again confirms that the Salat is a physical ritual which can be observed in congregation and under a leader who leads the Salat.

7- The verse continues to say that the disbelievers would dearly love to ambush the believers when they are not standing armed during their Salat. Once again this would make absolutely no sense whatsoever to say that disbelievers would love to ambush the believers while they are committed to God?s orders!

The above Quranic words make it very clear that the Salat is a very specific physical ritual and not merely a state of commitment to God?s orders. And because it is a physical ritual which involves bending and prostrating, it makes the believers vulnerable to attack from the enemy at times of war, thus they need to hold on to their weapons and also need a second group to guard them while they are praying.

Further evidence is found in the following Quranic verses

1- The Quran authorises three Salat and they are given three specific names, they are Salat Al-Fajr (Dawn prayer), Salat Al-Wusta (Middle prayer) and Salat Al-Isha (Night prayer). If Salat meant submission or commitment to God, why would we have three different names for commitment to God? And why would the names of these Salat be related to different times of the day?

2- ?Salat is decreed for the believers at specific times? 4103

Besides the fact that Salat is given three different names in the Quran, we also read in 4103 that God decreed the Salat for the believers for specific times of the day.
Now to claim that Salat means to be committed to God or be in a state of submission to God, then once again this would mean that God allows us to be in submission to Him only at specific times of the day! Surely commitment to God is a concept that is independent of the times of the day!

The specific times for the three Salat are given in (1778 and 11114). Once again if Salat means submission to God then we are allowed to submit to God three times a day and only during the specified times for each Salat!

3- ?When you travel in the land, you commit no error by shortening your Salat if you fear that the disbelievers may attack you. Surely, the disbelievers are your ardent enemies.? 4101
Once again if we assume that the Salat means commitment or submission to God, then this would mean that at times of fear from the enemy we should shorten our submission to God! Does this make any sense?

4- The words in 56 speak about washing the face and arms and wiping the head and feet before observing the Salat. Once again to interpret Salat to mean submission to God would mean that we cannot submit to God unless we wash first? It would also mean that if we wish to be in continuous submission to God that we should wash non stop all day long? On the other hand, because Salat is a physical ritual which is observed to glorify God then it makes sense to observe a form of physical purification before addressing our Maker.

5- ?When the call for Salat is made on the day of Jummah (Friday) you shall hasten to the commemoration of God? 629

Here we read about a call made for Salat on Friday, the following questions arise

Does commitment and submission to God need a ?call? or announcement?
Is there a special call for submission on a Friday?
The believers are to hasten to commemorate God when they hear the call, but the fact that they are believers would indicate that they are already submitters to God, so why would they need another call? Do they need to submit again, and specially on Friday?

6- ?You shall not utter your Salat too loudly, nor secretly; but use a moderate tone.? 17110

Once again if Salat means submission to God then the question of using a loud voice or whispering would not be relevant. However the words advising the use of a moderate voice indicates that God is speaking about a ritual that is spoken and this confirms once again that the Salat is a physical ritual.

To conclude, all the above evidence confirms without any doubt that the Salat is a physical ritual with specific physical acts and not a mere state of submission or commitment to God.

Salaam brother

Babansif