Proof that Qibla is the Kaabah in Mecca

noshirk

We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the SACRED MOSQUE Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do. 2144

Salaam bro

i would like to comment this verse from a logical point of view.
2-144 is generally used to justify change in direction of showing butts to God.

the question is Why Muhammad was turning face before God gave him a new alleged direction for prayer ?
it is not logical. Before new alleged direction, there was only one direction of showing butts and Muhammad had no reason to hesitate and turn his face in many directions like if he didn't knew in what direction to pray.

here is my understanding
Quran was revealed one night, the night of qadr wich was also a full moon night.
Before that night, Muhammad was only a nabi (informed one). After that night, he became a rassol.
His new direction/mission (qibla), after success of hijra mission,, is given in 2-144, consists of teaching quran (words) .
So Muhammad was turning face in the sky like if he was asking "Oh my God, what to do now ?"
And God responded in the famous night "from now on, your mission is to preach and teach in places where Haram is to be heared (masjid)". And of course, all muslim have to go in such a places to hear what the rassool brought from his isra/travel to the university of Masjid Aqsa of Malaikas in the jenna.

Peace

hafeez_kazi

Dear Man of Faith.

I am sorry to say that you have misunderstood me. I have not committed any offence by bringing to the notice of Babansif that he should properly translate the verses of the Quran, ponder over it and then post it on the forum. everyone has a right to follow what he believes, but when someone puts his belief before others, then he should take care that his belief is validated by the Quran or logic. if someone points out to him his mistakes then he should rectify it and should not persist with the same thing again and again. I gave him three points to ponder but he failed to respond to it, but again came with the illogical translation of the verses pertaining to kaaba, masjid al haram, valley of mecca etc.

I did not use any offensive language and neither did I abuse him. Only words of caution and advice and this is not an IRRELIGIOUS WAY

Thanks

Man_of_Faith

Salaam hafeez kazi,

Okay, sorry I reacted so strongly and perhaps on the wrong person, but I simply dislike unnecessary conflicts. It's irreligious to behave opposite to God's teachings, but sometimes it is a matter of situation and we can all lose our patience. Trying too hard to prove we are right about things could be unnecessary and just cause conflicts.

He maybe has a traditional way of interpreting the Quran and those verses. Let him reflect upon his ideas and kindly tell him what you believe about it and try to leave it at that.

You are right, no bad language was involved, but I just felt the discussion got heated up and made a try to calm things down.

Sorry if I made someone upset with my remarks.

God bless you

Babansif

Dear Babansif

We see the turning of thy face (for guidance to the heavens now Shall We turn thee to a Qibla that shall please thee. Turn then Thy face in the direction of the SACRED MOSQUE Wherever ye are, turn your faces in that direction. The people of the Book know well that that is the truth from their Lord. Nor is Allah unmindful of what they do. 2144

THE NEW QIBLA IS MASJID AL HARAM. FROM WHERE YOU GOT KAABA?

Who translated for you BI BATINAH as VALLEY. DO YOU KNOW THE EXACT WORD FOR WADI " "

ASK YOUR PROFESSOR OF ARABIC THE MEANING OF THE PREPOSITION "BI" and BATINAH. IF BATINAH IS VALLEY THEN SHOW THE PROOF.

IN 595 97 DO YOU FIND THE WORD "QIBLAH" ANYWHERE IN THE VERSE?

SHOW ME A VERSE FROM THE QURAN WHICH SAYS THAT MASJID AL HARAM IS IN THE VALLEY OF MECCA.

I THINK THAT YOU ARE A CHILD LOST IN THE VALLEY OF MECCA AND IN BETWEEN KAABA AND MASJID AL HARAM.

THIS IS NOT THE PLACE OF FANTASY, EVERYTHING POSTED SHOULD BE CONCRETE AND SUPPORTED BY THE CORRECT TRANSLATION OF THE VERSE.

YOUR UNDERSTANDING OF THE VERSES OF THE QURAN AND ARABIC LANGUAGE IN PARTICULAR IS VERY VERY POOR.

MAY ALLAH HELP YOU AND GUIDE YOU. PLEASE DON'T BE OFFENDED

ALL THE BEST FOR YOU IN FUTURE

THANKS

Salaam brother,

there is some things I want to make clear to you,

Writing in caps locks wont make your words bigger then mine, and it is a childish and disrespectful so do not blame other for being poor little childrens if you yourself is acting like an idiot.
You are the only one who claims that the verse 4824 does not speak of Valley of Mekka, infact every Quran translation including Free Minds personal translater Progressive Muslim Al Quran has translated it as the innercity of Mekkah and and so on. The Question is now who is it who really has poor arabic? Unless every english Quran translater has poor arabic well then translate your own Quran. Here is the link that shows every english translated Quran and everyone names Valley of Mekkah, Innercity of Mekkah , Heart of Mekkah , Interior of Mekkah which all in other words mean the valley of Mekkah. So to claim that it is poor arabic well then you claim that everyone in the world who has translated the Quran in to english has poor arabic language. I wonder which one it is who actually has the poor understanding here?

http//www.islamawakened.com/Quran/48/24/default.htm Here is the link, check it out and you can see it for yourself. Otherwise if you have so good understanding translate the Quran yourself beacuse what you now has claimed when we check the fact is that everybody according to you who has translated the Al Quran in to english har poor understanding of the arabic language.

Al Quran 595 O you who believe, do not kill any game during pilgrimage. Anyone who kills any game on purpose, his fine shall be a number of livestock animals that is equivalent to the game animals he killed. The judgment shall be set by two equitable people among you. They shall make sure that the offerings reach the Ka`bah. Otherwise, he may expiate by feeding poor people, or by an equivalent fast to atone for his offense. GOD has pardoned past offenses. But if anyone returns to such an offense, GOD will avenge it. GOD is Almighty, Avenger.

This verse clearly tells us that hajj is made in Kaabah.

4.597 GOD has appointed the Ka`bah, the Sacred Masjid, to be a sanctuary for the people, and also the Sacred Months, the offerings (to the Sacred Masjid), and the garlands marking them. You should know that GOD knows everything in the heavens and the earth, and that GOD is Omniscient.

This verse clearly tells us that Kabaah is the Sacred masjid (Masjid al haram)

4824 And He is the One who withheld their hands against you, and your hands against them in the interior of Mecca, after He had made you victorious over them. God is Seer of what you do.

This verse clearly tells us that Muhammed fought the disbelievers in Mekkah

4825 It is they who disbelieved and barred you from the Sacred Masjid, and even prevented your offerings from reaching their destination. There were believing men and women (within the enemy camp) whom you did not know, and you were about to hurt them, unknowingly. GOD thus admits into His mercy whomever He wills. If they persist, He will requite those among them who disbelieve with a painful retribution.

This very next verse clearly tells us that the Sacred Masjid is in Mekkah since God is talking about the disbelievers in Mekkah who tried to stop Muhammed and the believers from entering THE SACRED MASJID

2144 We have seen you turning your face about the sky (searching for the right direction). We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid. Wherever you may be, all of you shall turn your faces towards it. Those who received the previous scripture know that this is the truth from their Lord. GOD is never unaware of anything they do.

This verse clearly tells us that our Qiblah is towards the Sacred Masjid

Full conclusion
595 tells us that Hajj is made in Kaabah
597 tells us that Kaaba is the Sacred Masjid
4824 tells us that Muhammad fought disbelievers in Mekkah
4825 tells us that the Sacred masjid is in Mekkah
2144 tells us that our Qibla is towards the Sacred Masjid

So unless you cant find another Sacred Masjid in Mekkah which name is Kaabah well then you cant proov me wrong brother.

Salaam my brothers

noshirk

595 tells us that Hajj is made in Kaabah
597 tells us that Kaaba is the Sacred Masjid
4824 tells us that Muhammad fought disbelievers in Mekkah
4825 tells us that the Sacred masjid is in Mekkah
2144 tells us that our Qibla is towards the Sacred Masjid

Salaam Bro
I advice you to read the second E-book of brother Pazuzu. There, he show how by renaming places and cities, places where history of other prophets occured has been changed.
Now, you have also to know that quite all that you believe about Muhammad and mekka comes from books written under the abbaside caliphate (who were persians) by persians story tellers.

Let suppose that your understantig of some words is right (Words like Masjid, Haram, Qibla, Kaaba, Safa, marwa, maqaam Ibrahim).
Now, you still have to proove that there was a city called Mecca in Hijaz at the time of Muhammad.
You have to proove that Kaaba word in Quran refers to a cubic stone in desert.

There is many things you have to explain. For example why Quran never spoke about the "statues" inside his "kaaba". Is not that a great offense in your understanding ?

Dear babansif,
quite all of us believed one day (and many are still believing that) that kaaba was your kaaba, mecca was your mecca, masjid haram was your masjid haram.

For example, you probably believe that Egypt is misr. But Egypt became named Misr only after the death of Muhammad.
It is quite impossible to explain to a misri that misr is not misr.
It is also quite impossible to explain to a meccan believer that mecca is not mecca. For that, the first step would be to purify his mind from what he learned from the other books than words of God. As long as a mind is full with words not coming from God, there is no place for words of God and even God will not put there the good understanding.

Peace

Babansif

Salaam Bro
I advice you to read the second E-book of brother Pazuzu. There, he show how by renaming places and cities, places where history of other prophets occured has been changed.
Now, you have also to know that quite all that you believe about Muhammad and mekka comes from books written under the abbaside caliphate (who were persians) by persians story tellers.

Let suppose that your understantig of some words is right (Words like Masjid, Haram, Qibla, Kaaba, Safa, marwa, maqaam Ibrahim).
Now, you still have to proove that there was a city called Mecca in Hijaz at the time of Muhammad.
You have to proove that Kaaba word in Quran refers to a cubic stone in desert.

There is many things you have to explain. For example why Quran never spoke about the "statues" inside his "kaaba". Is not that a great offense in your understanding ?

Dear babansif,
quite all of us believed one day (and many are still believing that) that kaaba was your kaaba, mecca was your mecca, masjid haram was your masjid haram.

For example, you probably believe that Egypt is misr. But Egypt became named Misr only after the death of Muhammad.
It is quite impossible to explain to a misri that misr is not misr.
It is also quite impossible to explain to a meccan believer that mecca is not mecca. For that, the first step would be to purify his mind from what he learned from the other books than words of God. As long as a mind is full with words not coming from God, there is no place for words of God and even God will not put there the good understanding.

Peace

Salaam brother,
If we gonna question everything by history, well then we can question everything in the Quran, Like some people claims that Allah does not mean God and so on, If we gonna think in that way we have to Questin the whole Quran, beacuse then who knows what Zakat, Salat meant at that time?
When we question everything then not even the Quran itself gets a reliable book.
But if we stop follow what other says about what this meant in that time , and what that meant in this time and only looking with Quranic words then it is pretty clear that Kaabah is in Mekkah and is Masjid Al Haram. And Quran is what I place as most reliable source not a Guy that claims that 1400 years ago this city was named this and kaabah was this, that is the same thing as following sunna / shia hadiths beacuse then you question the Quran with the sayings of humanbeings. There is many books which claim that Mekkah is the name of the same city as it was 1400 years ago, but this books dont agrees with your personal opinions and then you will probably reject that person sayings.
But since Quran is the only reliable source, and God has promised us to preserve is, If you follow Quran only God promises that it is a religion with no confusions.
And since if we Only go by Quranic words then it is telling us that Kaabah in Mekkah is the Sacred Masjid.
If we gonna reject Sunna/ Shia hadiths then we shall also reject everyone else sayings and only put Gods saying as reliable.
That is what I have done when I have come to a conclusion that Sacred Mosque is the Kaabah in Mekkah.

Salaam brother

unknownuser

Like some people claims that Allah does not mean God and so on,

And they?re right. It doesn?t.

GOD is simply DOG spelled backwards. Whereas LAH, in Arabic, means that which cannot be understood or grasped directly, (and must therefore be understood indirectly, through its creation or manifestation).

Consider the following linguistic structure

Tagha ? Taghut (verb ?tagha? = to transgress limits / noun ?taghut? = the institution of transgressing limits). This is why a tyrant in Arabic, is described as ?taghia?. -

Now, try to apply the same logic to

Jabar ? jabarut (repairing / reform) -

kahan ? kahanut (occult astrological / priesthood) -

LAH-LAHUT -

In our day and age, when someone goes to a religious institution to study the LAHUT, it means he is going to study ?that which is mysterious and beyond the direct understanding of the human mind?.

Now you see what al-LAH (Allah) means?

Does the word GOD provide that meaning? Can you find me, in any living language today, a three-letter word that gives the same intrinsic depth as LAH?

The fact is, when you "translate" the Quran to English, and render Al-LAH as GOD, you are making a complete mockery of the text. This is why, after 9 years if research, I have reached the conclusion that the Quran is UNTRANSLATABLE. The best we can hope to do is paraphrase it.

Makkah, Bakkah, Yathrib, Hunayn, Sina?a, Badr, Misr, are all real places. No one is denying this. No one is denying that the KAABAH is the Bayt. No one is denying the relation between Makkah nad the Masjid. The problem is this The geography of these places, as described in the Quran, does NOT MATCH the actual terrain where we think these places are, by any stretch of the imagination.

To rephrase that the names of places mentioned in the Quran, have all been projected onto a FALSE physical territory.

Babansif

And they?re right. It doesn?t.

GOD is simply DOG spelled backwards. Whereas LAH, in Arabic, means that which cannot be understood or grasped directly, (and must therefore be understood indirectly, through its creation or manifestation).

Consider the following linguistic structure

Tagha ? Taghut (verb ?tagha? = to transgress limits / noun ?taghut? = the institution of transgressing limits). This is why a tyrant in Arabic, is described as ?taghia?. -

Now, try to apply the same logic to

Jabar ? jabarut (repairing / reform) -

kahan ? kahanut (occult astrological / priesthood) -

LAH-LAHUT -

In our day and age, when someone goes to a religious institution to study the LAHUT, it means he is going to study ?that which is mysterious and beyond the direct understanding of the human mind?.

Now you see what al-LAH (Allah) means?

Does the word GOD provide that meaning? Can you find me, in any living language today, a three-letter word that gives the same intrinsic depth as LAH?

The fact is, when you "translate" the Quran to English, and render Al-LAH as GOD, you are making a complete mockery of the text. This is why, after 9 years if research, I have reached the conclusion that the Quran is UNTRANSLATABLE. The best we can hope to do is paraphrase it.

Makkah, Bakkah, Yathrib, Hunayn, Sina?a, Badr, Misr, are all real places. No one is denying this. No one is denying that the KAABAH is the Bayt. No one is denying the relation between Makkah nad the Masjid. The problem is this The geography of these places, as described in the Quran, does NOT MATCH the actual terrain where we think these places are, by any stretch of the imagination.

To rephrase that the names of places mentioned in the Quran, have all been projected onto a FALSE physical territory.

4144
If we made it a non-Arabic Quran they would have said, "Why did it come down in that language?" Whether it is Arabic or non-Arabic, say, "For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, they will be deaf and blind to it, as if they are being addressed from faraway."

Just by this verse I can with the Quran proof that you are wrong when you say it is untranslatable, your claims is proven wrong just with one verse from one surah.
Only for those who disbelieve it is not understandable( As for those who disbelieve, they will be deaf and blind to it, as if they are being addressed from faraway.) to, and since you dont believe in the Quran when you say that it is Untranslatable when the Quran says that whether it is a Arabic or non Aarabic it is a guide for those who believe. it is pretty obvious that you will be deaf and blind to it when you make your absurd claims that contradicts Quran itself.

Salaam brother

huruf

And they?re right. It doesn?t.

GOD is simply DOG spelled backwards. Whereas LAH, in Arabic, means that which cannot be understood or grasped directly, (and must therefore be understood indirectly, through its creation or manifestation).

Consider the following linguistic structure

Tagha ? Taghut (verb ?tagha? = to transgress limits / noun ?taghut? = the institution of transgressing limits). This is why a tyrant in Arabic, is described as ?taghia?. -

Now, try to apply the same logic to

Jabar ? jabarut (repairing / reform) -

kahan ? kahanut (occult astrological / priesthood) -

LAH-LAHUT -

In our day and age, when someone goes to a religious institution to study the LAHUT, it means he is going to study ?that which is mysterious and beyond the direct understanding of the human mind?.

Now you see what al-LAH (Allah) means?

Does the word GOD provide that meaning? Can you find me, in any living language today, a three-letter word that gives the same intrinsic depth as LAH?

The fact is, when you "translate" the Quran to English, and render Al-LAH as GOD, you are making a complete mockery of the text. This is why, after 9 years if research, I have reached the conclusion that the Quran is UNTRANSLATABLE. The best we can hope to do is paraphrase it.

Makkah, Bakkah, Yathrib, Hunayn, Sina?a, Badr, Misr, are all real places. No one is denying this. No one is denying that the KAABAH is the Bayt. No one is denying the relation between Makkah nad the Masjid. The problem is this The geography of these places, as described in the Quran, does NOT MATCH the actual terrain where we think these places are, by any stretch of the imagination.

To rephrase that the names of places mentioned in the Quran, have all been projected onto a FALSE physical territory.

Man_of_Faith

Salaam babanisf,

Brother Pazuzu did not say you cannot translate it, he says you must paraphrase its contents because Arabic is used in a completely different way than English. Hence this he does not contradict the Quran, but the Quran talks enough about the fact it was revealed in Arabic to raise some concerns about it.

Please do not underestimate brother Pazuzu, I can see that he is blessed by the Lord in many ways. I would love to see a translation/interpretation done by him in the future.

Together intertwined in the Holy Spirit, we can probably derive the true meaning from the 1400 year old scripture. Simply by trying to understand the Quran by trying to interpret it is too risky business, we also need to have divine backup.

Even what we have of its understanding today we know enough to live righteous lives as long as we do not follow the mainstream religion. Most people know how to be a righteous person even with the Quran, even without the Bible, we seem to be born with this ability. Even criminals know that they have done wrong in many cases (but cannot explain it). I could have been a righteous believer even if I had not discovered the Quran, but now that I have it I want to understand it perfectly.

Regarding the topic of this thread, I have read the translation "Turn your homes into Qiblahs" many times and it automatically renders the traditional understanding irrational. I am open-minded to suggestions of the true interpretation of this phrase and this word, and I will pray to God about it that He may enlighten me. Recently I have felt that I am walking along with the Lord on a beach (yes this was an allegory).

God bless you and I did not intend to mock you babansif, just see to that you open your eyes and see that Pazuzu is not nuts regarding the meaning he is trying to convey. We may all be wrong in many cases, Messengers in past ages could be wrong, but in the Light of God they were never wrong.

Babansif

Salaam babanisf,

Brother Pazuzu did not say you cannot translate it, he says you must paraphrase its contents because Arabic is used in a completely different way than English. Hence this he does not contradict the Quran, but the Quran talks enough about the fact it was revealed in Arabic to raise some concerns about it.

Please do not underestimate brother Pazuzu, I can see that he is blessed by the Lord in many ways. I would love to see a translation/interpretation done by him in the future.

Together intertwined in the Holy Spirit, we can probably derive the true meaning from the 1400 year old scripture. Simply by trying to understand the Quran by trying to interpret it is too risky business, we also need to have divine backup.

Even what we have of its understanding today we know enough to live righteous lives as long as we do not follow the mainstream religion. Most people know how to be a righteous person even with the Quran, even without the Bible, we seem to be born with this ability. Even criminals know that they have done wrong in many cases (but cannot explain it). I could have been a righteous believer even if I had not discovered the Quran, but now that I have it I want to understand it perfectly.

Regarding the topic of this thread, I have read the translation "Turn your homes into Qiblahs" many times and it automatically renders the traditional understanding irrational. I am open-minded to suggestions of the true interpretation of this phrase and this word, and I will pray to God about it that He may enlighten me. Recently I have felt that I am walking along with the Lord on a beach (yes this was an allegory).

God bless you and I did not intend to mock you babansif, just see to that you open your eyes and see that Pazuzu is not nuts regarding the meaning he is trying to convey. We may all be wrong in many cases, Messengers in past ages could be wrong, but in the Light of God they were never wrong.

Brother when someone tries to tell me that God is not Allah , then I will surely not follow his belief. Allah clearly mentions in the Quran that He has created all the languages in the world, Read in an arabic Bible ( The bible is not even originally from the arabic language) and you will se that God is named Allah in the bible to.

God is just the word for Allah in another language.

"Say, "Call Him Allah, or call Him the Rahman (The Almighty); whichever name you use, to Him belongs the "Asma al-Husna" (most beautiful names)." 17110

This verse makes the issue very clear. God here is telling us that He does not have one specific name. In God's infinite Greatness, there is not one name that is sufficient to make reference to Him. Indeed to God belongs all the beautiful names. The Quran lists over 90 names for God and not just the word Allah. We can call Him Allah, we can call Him "Al-Rahman", or we can call him by any of the beautiful names that are worthy of Him. Whether we use the Arabic word for a name like "Al-Wahid" for example, or the English equivalant which is "The One" does not make any difference. The restriction to use the Arabic words to call God is not a condition set by God. For this would falsely imply that only the Arabic language is worthy of calling on God!

Moreover, if God wanted us to call Him specifically by the name Allah, He would not include the words "whichever name you use" in 17110.

Some have also stated that ?Allah? is the real name of God, and that all the other titles such as Al-Rahmaan and Al-Raheem are the attributes of God. This claim is actually in contradiction to the Quran!

In 17110 we are told that to God belongs the beautiful names. The word used is ?Asmaa?. This word is the plural of the word ?Ism? which means NAME. It does not mean attribute. Naturally a name can have a meaning, and thus denote an attribute as well, but what matters is that God calls these titles as His names (Asmaa).

Therefore, if all these beautiful names are God?s names, would we still be justified to say that the word ?Allah? is the personal name of God? Would anyone be justified to claim that we cannot call God except by the name of Allah? How can we say that when God Himself told us that to Him belongs ALL the beautiful names and not just one name.

Therefore, for anyone to claim that the word Allah is the personal name of God or that the word Allah denotes the God of the Quran must indeed revise their knowledge in the light of all the issues discussed above.

Salaam brother

http//www.quran-islam.org/articles/god_or_allah_%28P1160%29.html

Man_of_Faith

Salaam brother babansif,

As far as I could understand this was not what you were concerned about in the post I read about earlier and this was not what my answer was about.

Of course Allah is God, it is the same God, because Allah is a word for God in Arabic. However Al-Lah has its unique meaning in Arabic, like "The Deity" while God could probably be derived from "good". I had this funny interpretation of the Swedish word for God, Gud, Galaxy Universe Dimension, while I was going crazy with my mind a few years ago, but I could not help it. So the meaning of the words is simply what you make of them, but nothing is wrong as long as it is not making fun of God or inviting sin.

I read the Bible too, not only the Quran and I enjoy it, especially the stories about Jesus in the Gospel, but most everything else is interesting too.

If someone has stated that the definite name of God is Allah then they are probably wrong. You can call God by the name of your choice as long as it is not to humiliate Him or that the name in clearly inappropriate.

Anyway, I doubt this was Pazuzu's intent when he discuss with you. I think it has to do with that you cannot directly translate the word Allah to God, because the words have different meanings in other languages, as in Arabic it is The Deity and in English like I said it is probably derived from "good". His concern is that you can paraphrase the original Arabic at best, and that sure takes a lot of divine inspiration for it not to get wrong.

But to look superficially at it, Allah is God, Gud, Got, Nkoz, Deu, depending on which language you speak. It is not like you will confined to Hell for saying God about God.

To finalize this post, I hope this settles any misunderstanding that may have occurred, since I could see it looked like you just went parallel to each other's understanding the whole time. And I hope I did not just put more fuel to the fire.

God bless you all with prosperity both in this life and the next

noshirk

Salaam All

4824 And He is the One who withheld their hands against you, and your hands against them in the interior (Batni) of Mecca, after He had made you victorious over them. God is Seer of what you do.

in arabic, Jehenem (hell) is obtained by addition of word Jenna and two letters Ha and Mim

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i traduct meaning of ha and mim is dissolution.
so Jehennem can be understood and the hole where souls are dissolved. Dictionnary says also

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I traduct Jehennem =profound depth.

Now, we know all what mean Rahm. It is the womb.
Original womb for our souls is of course Jenna.
Rahman is the one who expels from Rahm and Rahim is the forgiver who accept again the expelled souls in the rahm.

Opposite of Original Womb would be an empty venter. a hole aspiring all rejectors.
in arabic, Mekka means

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I traduct Makaka means aspire something until it ends.

So BATNI mekkata can means the aspiring womb, wich means hells.

Now, we can have a new traduction for 48-24
4824 And He is the One who separate your hands from their hands and their hands for your hands while you were in the aspiring womb after He had made you victorious over them. God is Seer of what you do.

God prevented readers of Quran from following others arbabs (educators) than him.
it is a simple remind for followers of persians story tellers.

Good night for aspired people in pilgrimnages and prayers towards batni mekkata.

Peace

Aamer

I don't know too much about this topic but I have been to Makkah and these verses in Psalms 84 describe Makkah to a tee...

Psalms 843 Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay her young, even thine altars, O LORD of hosts, my King, and my God.

Psalms 844 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house they will be still praising thee. Selah.

Psalms 845 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.

Psalms 846 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.

Babansif