New Islamic Calendar Project
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Dear M-Amine,
I think that the different translations reflects how people read the verse.
I think I misspoke.
I know that "" mean counted.
I meant that in this verse "" is as "" which is called in Arabic grammar " " which is used to define two things that share the same capacity, but some is better than the other.
There is only one correct reading and we have to read carefully the words used not insert words or suppositions like "in this verse "" is as ""..." ? again the word used is counted which again here is the clear definition of the word used?
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
Ha-Sad-Ya = Calculate, to count/number. to number/count/calculate/count/compute a thing, to reckon a thing, reach the last number of a thing, collect into an aggregate by numbering, retain a thing in the memory, understand a thing, register/record the number of a thing, comprehend or know a thing altogether.
ahsa n.m. comp. 1812... , (inf. n. , TA,) He numbered, counted, calculated, reckoned, or computed, it (S, Msb, K) or he reached the last number thereof (Ham p. 297) or he collected it into an aggregate by numbering from ; because they used pebbles in numbering like as we use the fingers; (Er-R?ghib or because they used to divide a thing upon the pebbles, and when nothing remained they said, , i. e. We have come to the pebbles; or because they used to reckon the spoils, and to divide among themselves, and then to take the pebbles, and put marks upon them, and when they ended the reckoning, and came to the marks, they said, (Ham ubi supr?) or he retained it in his memory (K, * TA) or he understood it. (K.)
If I fall into a coma in August 20, 2013 (summer) and I wake in August 20, 2113, one hundred solar years later, I'll be in summer so no difference.
This is not true with purely lunar year as we do.
How would you know coming out of your sleep that it's 100 years later?
That was whole point of verse and exercise not possible to know years.Which BTW, is aam/year(s)...
2259 or like the one who pass by on a town and are empty on trellises its said how gives life this the god after death its so caused to die him the god hundred aam/year(s)...
This is not true. "" mean "years are increased" and not "Ashab Alkahf had nine more years."
In this verse, the years have been cited in the plural "" therefore "" is linked to years "" not "".
If the verse was so " " your reading is correct but the opposite is true.
No, the word 3rd person masculine plural perfect verb always and is only applicable to people nothing else.
See examples of the exact same word used ...
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=7676
Increased - They
390 indeed the ones disbelieve/reject they after belief theirs furthermore increased they disbelief/rejection of never accepted repentance theirs and those they the straying
Likewise 4137
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=12617Therefore, someone was asking questions and they were increasing by nine. Answer to their speculation was ...
1826 say the god of knowledge in what remained they to him unseen the heavens and the earth...
Peace
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...It is not logical to have a month called "RABII 1" or "RABII 2" which mean SPRING in September or November!!...
On the contrary, it is highly illogical and unjust that a month like RMADZAN fall in a fixed season like Summer, expecting the people living in the northern hemisphere, for example, to fast very hot 18-hour days, year after year, while at the same time, residents of the southern hemisphere are fasting very cool 8-hour days.
Peace,
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Dear Noon waalqalami
Dear M-Amine,
There is only one correct reading and we have to read carefully the words used not insert words or suppositions like "in this verse "" is as ""..." ? again the word used is counted which again here is the clear definition of the word used?
http//www.studyquran.co.uk/PRLonline.htm
Ha-Sad-Ya = Calculate, to count/number. to number/count/calculate/count/compute a thing, to reckon a thing, reach the last number of a thing, collect into an aggregate by numbering, retain a thing in the memory, understand a thing, register/record the number of a thing, comprehend or know a thing altogether.
ahsa n.m. comp. 1812... , (inf. n. , TA,) He numbered, counted, calculated, reckoned, or computed, it (S, Msb, K) or he reached the last number thereof (Ham p. 297) or he collected it into an aggregate by numbering from ; because they used pebbles in numbering like as we use the fingers; (Er-R?ghib or because they used to divide a thing upon the pebbles, and when nothing remained they said, , i. e. We have come to the pebbles; or because they used to reckon the spoils, and to divide among themselves, and then to take the pebbles, and put marks upon them, and when they ended the reckoning, and came to the marks, they said, (Ham ubi supr?) or he retained it in his memory (K, * TA) or he understood it. (K.)
= And afterward We raised them up
= that We might know
= which of the two parties
= would best calculate the time that they had tarried.There is two parties, one will be right and the other not.
So one better than the other.
that's all.How would you know coming out of your sleep that it's 100 years later?
That was whole point of verse and exercise not possible to know years.Which BTW, is aam/year(s)...
2259 or like the one who pass by on a town and are empty on trellises its said how gives life this the god after death its so caused to die him the god hundred aam/year(s)...
If you fall into a coma in the winter and you wake up in the summer, you can not say you've slept a day.
Climate and vegetation will change in the meantime.
No, the word 3rd person masculine plural perfect verb always and is only applicable to people nothing else.
See examples of the exact same word used ...
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=7676
Increased - They
390 indeed the ones disbelieve/reject they after belief theirs furthermore increased they disbelief/rejection of never accepted repentance theirs and those they the straying
Likewise 4137
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=12617Therefore, someone was asking questions and they were increasing by nine. Answer to their speculation was ...
1826 say the god of knowledge in what remained they to him unseen the heavens and the earth...
It is your own reading, there is another part of people who read "exceeded by nine", "And add nine (for lunar years)." "And add nine"?
Peace
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On the contrary, it is highly illogical and unjust that a month like RMADZAN fall in a fixed season like Summer, expecting the people living in the northern hemisphere, for example, to fast very hot 18-hour days, year after year, while at the same time, residents of the southern hemisphere are fasting very cool 8-hour days.
Peace,
KhalilDear Khalil.
The logic is that Ramadan is fixed in the autumnal equinox, when everyone can faste the same length (12 hours) in north and south.
With the current calendar, every day of the year can be sacred (months turning over the year).
And every night of the year can be Leilat Alqadr!
And the beginning of Ramandan in Egypt is not the same as Morocco, and Eid is not the same and the day AARAFA is not the same ...!!
Without the use of the intercalary month, the Muslim calendar is false.
Peace
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Dear M-Amine,
= And afterward We raised them up
= that We might know
= which of the two parties
= would best calculate the time that they had tarried.There is two parties, one will be right and the other not.
So one better than the other.
that's all.No that is not all, again there is no "best" in the verse and one group counted while the other did not.
1812 furthermore raised we them to make evident which the two groups counted of what remained they duration of
If you fall into a coma in the winter and you wake up in the summer, you can not say you've slept a day.
Climate and vegetation will change in the meantime.
No, again you are not answering the question how do you know number of years that you slept?
2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97, 101, ...?It is your own reading, there is another part of people who read "exceeded by nine", "And add nine (for lunar years)." "And add nine"?
No, again why it is not clear "they" in the word or you need reminder of verse you posted earlier?
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=37934
1825 ... and increased they nine ofhttp//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=7676
390 ... increased theyhttp//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=12617
4137 ... increased theyPeace
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Dear Noon waalqalami
Dear M-Amine,
No that is not all, again there is no "best" in the verse and one group counted while the other did not.
1812 furthermore raised we them to make evident which the two groups counted of what remained they duration of
Here translation from King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur'an
- And they stayed in their Cave three hundred (solar) years, adding nine (for lunar years). (Tafsir Al-Qurtubi)
http//www.qurancomplex.org/Quran/Targama/Targama.asp?L=eng&Page=294#18_1
And here tafsir Ibn Kathir
(Then We raised them up, that We might test which of the two parties) meaning, the two
parties who disputed about them,(was best at calculating the time period that they tarried.) It was said that this refers to how
long they stayed in the cave.And here tafsir Aljalalayn
{ } { } { } { } { } { } .
No, again you are not answering the question how do you know number of years that you slept?
2, 3, 5, 7, 11, 13, 17, 19, 23, 29, 31, 37, 41, 43, 47, 53, 59, 61, 67, 71, 73, 79, 83, 89, 97, 101, ...?You can?t know number of years, but
If you sleep in winter and wake in winter, you can tell I slept 1 or 2 days.
If you sleep in winter and wake in summer, you can?t tell I slept 1 or 2 days but some weeks or months.For this reason the YEAR in Qur?an is a SOLAR year not lunar.
No, again why it is not clear "they" in the word or you need reminder of verse you posted earlier?
http//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=37934
1825 ... and increased they nine ofhttp//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=7676
390 ... increased theyhttp//corpus.quran.com/wordimage?id=12617
4137 ... increased theyHere translation from King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur'an
- And they stayed in their Cave three hundred (solar) years, adding nine (for lunar years). (Tafsir Al-Qurtubi)
http//www.qurancomplex.org/Quran/Targama/Targama.asp?L=eng&Page=296#18_1
And here tafsir Ibn Kathir
- And they stayed in their cave three hundred years, adding nine.) (26. Say "Allah knows best how long they stayed. With Him is the unseen of the heavens and the earth.'' How clearly He sees, and hears (everything)! They have no protector other than Him, and He makes none to share in His decision and His rule.)
Here Allah tells His Messenger the length of time the people of the Cave spent in their cave, from the time when He caused them to sleep until the time when He resurrected them and caused the people of that era to find them. The length of time was three hundred plus nine years in lunar years, which is three hundred years in solar years. The difference between one hundred lunar years and one hundred solar years is three years, which is why after mentioning three hundred, Allah says, `adding nine.'
And here tafsir Aljalalayn
{ } { } { } .
Peace
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...Without the use of the intercalary month, the Muslim calendar is false...
The highlights above are from me.
I'm beginning to smell yet another conspiracy in the brewing process against ISLAM & THE QUR'AAN. All I know is that according to The Qur'aan (936 & 937), Islamic calendar-year ALWAYS consists of only TWELVE Lunar months with no "leap" year.
Anyways. This was my last two cents worth regarding this topic.
... ..., and peace be upon whoever that follows the guidance...
Peace,
Khalil -
The highlights above are from me.
I'm beginning to smell yet another conspiracy in the brewing process against ISLAM & THE QUR'AAN. All I know is that according to The Qur'aan (936 & 937), Islamic calendar-year ALWAYS consists of only TWELVE Lunar months with no "leap" year.
Anyways. This was my last two cents worth regarding this topic.
... ..., and peace be upon whoever that follows the guidance...
Peace,
KhalilThank you for this debate
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Dear M-Amine,
You can?t know number of years, but
There is no but -- you admit it's impossible to know or calculate number of years. Therefore your copy/paste translations and readings are baseless and inaccurate.
Here translation from King Fahd Complex for the Printing of the Holy Qur'an
- And they stayed in their Cave three hundred (solar) years, adding nine (for lunar years). (Tafsir Al-Qurtubi)
http//www.qurancomplex.org/Quran/Targama/Targama.asp?L=eng&Page=296#18_1
And here tafsir Ibn Kathir
- And they stayed in their cave three hundred years, adding nine.)
The above cannot read and "they" don't understand simple pronoun that "they" teach people in elementary school and "they" cut words used in Qur'an in half which they might as well cast out entire verses.
Thank you for this debate
Likewise, perhaps read for yourself and don't rely too much on translations of the illiterate.
Peace
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so, which way we should follow? giveup
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Peace Ukaza Perdana
For our safety, it's better we keep following BMKG and MUI counting, unless you're able to counting yourself.
But this link may help you
http//www.quranicpath.com/misconceptions/breaking_fast.htmlSalam