Mathematical structure of the Quran - Visual presentation
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Peace hawk99,
Thank you for your ideas. There are many interesting counts in Quran. Is it not 365 counts of the word day or something like that?
What is bizarre or wrong seeing these interesting discoveries? Is it strange if whole Quran had a cool intricate mathematical code layout? God is the Master, why would He not make a symmetrical Quran with a perfectionist layout including mathematics in its design?
We (humans) use mathematics for all our doings, what makes you think God is more primitive? Of course Quran is symmetrically composed with a mathematical precision.
God bless you
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Thank you
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Peace,
Thank you for the link. I have read half the pdf book by now and I like it. I get quite dizzy reading it, but I think the person knows what he is doing.
I am without doubt convinced that the Quran has a mathematic layout to the very letter.
But like I said before; it is just a sign of God.
Although, I am unfortunately more certain about the verses 9128 and 9129. On the other hand, the verses neither add anything relevant to Quran nor remove anything relevant, so I can let them be. They are outdated anyway as Muhammad is dead and cannot be feeling grief for the people anyway or feel merciful. All his contemporaries are with him in Heaven already and he knows which ones made it and not.
He does not know those who live right now and what you do not know about you do not suffer over.
Anyway, this doctor's thorough work made me pinpoint 128 and 129 as highly suspicious. Only my fear of being wrong makes me afraid of completely remove them despite the overwhelming evidence.
As a safety measure I leave them be, but I accept counts without the verses as it does not matter. Without the verses everything seems symmetric and in harmony.
We could almost even add a Basmallah to sura 9 without them, but that is God's work
Okay. That was a joke, nothing serious.
God was right though. No falsehood can ever enter the Quran (without being exposed as faulty). I am sure, hypothetically, that God let them add the verses as they did not add anything scripture-corrupting and was a further test for those who use the verses to idolize Muhammad.
Anyway, I do not care if the verses are there or not, I can let them be, for I know God's Message. I can even understand God's Message in the Bible despite overwhelming corruption.
This is what I believe and I accept my brothers and sisters who do not believe in one of God's marvels. I is not like you will be doomed to Hell, you just miss out on something. Anyway, I gladly join you in other discussions on things which are more relevant for our redemption. The main aim in islam is more important than this thing which is only to prove that Quran cannot be man-made and that God is really real. It is a warrant for me that God really composed this Message Himself.
God bless you
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Anyway, this doctor's thorough work made me pinpoint 128 and 129 as highly suspicious. Only my fear of being wrong makes me afraid of completely remove them despite the overwhelming evidence.
There is no "owerhelming" evidence when it comes to those 2 verses in my opinion. There is just not "strong enough" evidence to convince me.
I do believe that there are "codes" in the Quran but I'm not sure that we should just say that 128 and 129 does not belong to Quran.
When I found some time I will study those 2 verses more, also I will check if there are any hadiths that say something about this sura.
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Peace Sonny,
I find that the mathematical pattern is prevented by these two verses and this doctor makes it quite clear that they are utterly suspicious.
Despite it I take it as if they should be there unless and angel or the Holy Spirit comes down clearly telling me they are wrong. But I accept counts without them, hypothetically.
That a hadith mentions them is also suspicious. Hadith is unreliable, but sometimes you can use it out of a historical viewpoint and it may be used to reveal falsehood.
The two verses do not add anything which is utterly relevant for the scripture. On the other hand, they add unnecessary light on prophet Muhammad which may be negative.
I did not agree on everything this person wrote, but he had a point and he seemed well-educated. I hope I can solve the mystery with the two verses some time in life )
God bless you
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Peace Sonny,
I find that the mathematical pattern is prevented by these two verses and this doctor makes it quite clear that they are utterly suspicious.
Despite it I take it as if they should be there unless and angel or the Holy Spirit comes down clearly telling me they are wrong. But I accept counts without them, hypothetically.
That a hadith mentions them is also suspicious. Hadith is unreliable, but sometimes you can use it out of a historical viewpoint and it may be used to reveal falsehood.
Well some hadiths are indeed suspicious but to say that all hadiths are wrong is ignorance.
Look what I found in hadiths about verses 128 and 129 of this suraVolume 6, Book 61, Number 511
Narrated Zaid bin ThabitAbu Bakr sent for me and said, "You used to write the Divine Revelations for Allah's Apostle So you should search for (the Qur'an and collect) it." I started searching for the Qur'an till I found the last two Verses of Surat At-Tauba with Abi Khuzaima Al-Ansari and I could not find these Verses with anybody other than him. (They were)
'Verily there has come unto you an Apostle (Muhammad) from amongst yourselves. It grieves him that you should receive any injury or difficulty ...' (9.128-129)
This is very interesting indeed.
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Peace,
It was that I meant, Sonny. Hadith itself expose how people were at that time. And it may be further strengthening that 128 and 129 are wrong. What would these people gain from recording such a hadith anyway if it was nothing wrong occurring.
It is a difficult moral decision to remove these verses though as it is dangerous to tamper with God's revelations. However, nothing prevents one from hypothetically ignoring the verses in counts. When God deems you worthy to know the Truth you can remove them. I would not remove them except if God Himself sent the authorization to do it.
I would not call the verses satanic unless I knew to 110% that they do not belong in Quran.
God bless you
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Well some hadiths are indeed suspicious but to say that all hadiths are wrong is ignorance.
Look what I found in hadiths about verses 128 and 129 of this suraFor what, still using hadith to find each Quran verse's history and background is AsSunnah wal jam'ah' habits.The hadith only make you doubt to the Quran.Example in hadith which talk about Quranic verses eaten by goat, it's very mislead hadith, since it's fabricated n baseless.
Rashad Khalifa claim himself rejecting hadith, but still use hadith as his evidence.
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For what, still using hadith to find each Quran verse's history and background is AsSunnah wal jam'ah' habits.The hadith only make you doubt to the Quran.Example in hadith which talk about Quranic verses eaten by goat, it's very mislead hadith, since it's fabricated n baseless.
Rashad Khalifa claim himself rejecting hadith, but still use hadith as his evidence.
First of all I'm not follower of Dr. Khalifa and I'm not part of sunni, shia or any other islamic sect.
I think you are just forcing your opinion on other people. You dont have to believe in hadiths in order to study them and fact that you dont believe in hadiths does not mean they are all wrong. -
I think you are just forcing your opinion on other people. You dont have to believe in hadiths in order to study them and fact that you dont believe in hadiths does not mean they are all wrong.
No, I'm not forcing opinion and I still use hadith as historical reading not syari'a reading.