Quranic laws for war

Lena

One things what we must know before study Quran is "all verses in the Quran was correlated each other"

Example

2191 "And kill them wherever you encounter them......"

This verse is in the state of war.If we look in all verses in the Quran,what people who we must killied is our enemy in that war or the hypocrites who oppresing Muslims.

551 "O you who believe, do not take the Jews and the Nazarenes as auliya' (leader,allies,helper,best friend)......"

This means we musn't take Christians or Jews as our friend??It's poor.
If we look in surrounding or all verses in the Quran is that Jews-Christians who cannot be taken as auliya' is the Jews-Christian who oppressed or mocking the Muslims.

Peace Earthdom
Yes I totally agree that Quranic verses must be read in context and state that for Muslims war can only be in self defense in response to oppression and physical attack when they are not able to negotiate a peaceful way out of the situation. Then the questions I have are

Was the USA / British & allies attack on Taliban in Afghanistan a physical one on a Muslim community?
Who did they attack? They attacked the Taliban who by their oppressive actions cannot be considered Muslims.

However, innocent civilians were also caught up in their attacks and killed. What is the Quranic rule of law about the death of innocent Muslims during war?

Were the USA/British & allies oppressing innocent Muslims in Afghanistan and Iraq? Yes, those who were mistakenly arrested, those whose houses were invaded in the middle of the night etc Does that give other Muslims the right to attack soldiers involved in these wars? What does Quran say about the rights and recompense for innocent Muslims who suffer during a war between 2 non Muslim parties?

Sonny

Al Qaeda attacked USA because of their support for and their propping up of the authoritarian and oppressive regimes in Saudi, Egypt, Jordan,Gulf States & Israel where dissident citizens are murdered, tortured, raped etc. The USA supports these regimes because of their own economic and political interests - they helped to install them in power and they help them to maintain their power,to the extent that the USA even set up military bases in Saudi Arabia. They supply them with weapons. The USA is therefore colluding in the oppression and murder of the freedom seeking people of these countries.

First of all 9/11 was inside job, there is tons of proof for this but we can't see it because media is controled by Israeli zionist lobby which controls US government and their puppets in arab world like Qatar and Saudis, wahhabi regimes which is everything but islamic regime. Wahhabism is death cult.
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0xzsbSbVUE
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ins0So67Yc

Second, as Quran prophecied childern of israel will cause corruption on earth twice, second time after coming back to their land which is NOW. Israeli zionist regime started middle east war and I believe 9/11 was an mossad operation. Just for example there were 5 israelis arrested after somebody noticed they were actually dancing after planes crashed in WTC, 150 mossad agents were arrested and than released after 9/11, Bin Laden said he has nothing to do with 9/11 in his letter, he died in 2001 just after that. Everything you hear on CNN and FOX is bunch of crap and lies, they were caught hundreds of time faking news.
Watch these videos

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=90Pm2Zpbq_4
http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=clGJzywgtqc

Third, Osama Bin Laden was trained by CIA to fight russians in Afghanistan in 90's, I heard his father was also a cia agent.
War on terror is bunch of lies.

We decreed in the Book for the tribe of Israel "You will twice cause corruption on Earth and you will reach great haughtiness. When the promised first time came, We sent against you servants of Ours possessing great force, and they ransacked your houses, rampaging right through them. It was a promise that was fulfilled. Then once again We gave you the upper hand over them, supplied you with more wealth and children, and made you the most numerous group." (Qur'an, 174-6)

Jafar

Back in the Gulf war, Osama ever offering his men in Afghanistan to Saudi family help against Iraqi forces in Kuwait, but the Saudi refused instead Saudi accept the offering by Coalition especially from America cause it will bring more profits.Maybe this incident to be condisered as one of the cause of rivalry between Qaeda and USA in the term of influence especially in Jazirah Arab.

It was Al Saud's request for 'US military base'. So it was not USA begging for permit on military base..
And the decision make sense isn't it?
What will you choose if you're Fahd bin Al Saud? US modern troops or Osama's suicide bombers?

He's just following the footstep of 'smart decision' made by his great grandpa.

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Sabilla
The Battle of Sabilla (March 29, 1929) was the main battle of the Ikhwan Revolt in northern Arabia between the rebellious Ikhwan forces and the army of Ibn Saud. It was the last major battle in which one side rode camels, as the Ikhwan emphasized radical conservatism and shunned technological modernization. The rebellious, but technologically mediocre, Ikhwan were decisively defeated by the Saudi forces, which included machine-guns and cavalry. Faisal al-Dawish, one of the three leaders of the rebellious Ikhwan tribes, was wounded in the battle. According to Ibn Saud Information Resource, his injury was "serious". Sultan bin Bajad, allegedly fled the battle scene

Really??Can you explain more?

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ibn_Saud_of_Saudi_Arabia
During World War I, the British government established diplomatic relations with Ibn Saud. The British agent, Captain William Shakespear, was well received by the Bedouin. Similar diplomatic missions were established with any Arabian power who might have been able to unify and stabilize the region. The British entered into a treaty in December 1915 (the "Treaty of Darin&quot which made the lands of the House of Saud a British protectorate and attempted to define the boundaries of the developing Saudi state. In exchange, Ibn Saud pledged to again make war against Ibn Rashid, who was an ally of the Ottoman Turks.

On 20 May 1927, the British government signed the Treaty of Jeddah, which abolished the Darin protection agreement and recognized the independence of the Hejaz and Najd with Ibn Saud as its ruler.

This means we musn't take Christians or Jews as our friend??It's poor.
If we look in surrounding or all verses in the Quran is that Jews-Christians who cannot be taken as auliya' is the Jews-Christian who oppressed or mocking the Muslims.

It means don't trust the sectarians, the Judaist (Hadu) and Christians is a great example of sectarian people during Muhammad's time. Since during Muhammad's time the Sunnis, Shiites and other sectarian groups were not yet in existence..

The common characteristic of sectarians is that they always have the tendency of 'defending their own member of their own sect/religion' and when they have the power they will oppress other people, especially those who are outside of their own religion/sect/group. (The sunnis oppressing the Shiites, The Sunnis oppressing the Ahmadis, The Catholics oppressing the Jews, The Catholics oppressing the Orthodox, The Communist killing the Orthodox etc)

Salam / Peace

unknownuser

Was the USA / British & allies attack on Taliban in Afghanistan a physical one on a Muslim community?
Who did they attack? They attacked the Taliban who by their oppressive actions cannot be considered Muslims.

However, innocent civilians were also caught up in their attacks and killed. What is the Quranic rule of law about the death of innocent Muslims during war?

Yes all is changed after 9/11 incident.Some US n allied country politicians turned their view from leftist (Cold war) to Islam n even Islamophobia spreading in the whole world.
Look, after 9/11 incident, US and its allies declaring war against terror, exampleInvasion of Iraq 2003, and toppling Taleban's government in Afganistan.
The reason the NATO attacking Taliban is the Taliban proven to helping hiding Osama and Taliban accused to have contact with Qaeda.Unlike Qaeda, Taliban is just political movement with conservative ideology.

Yes you're true, the modern type of war is you even didn't know the face of people you're kill because we kill the enemy mostly from long range like gun, artilery, dreone attck etc.So killing innocent can be considered as inadvertence, but if it deliberate or purposeful, this means it's war crimes and Geneva convention is the answer.

I don't know regarding fatwa in Quran about killing innocent, but this verse can help you (492-93, 532, etc).

First of all 9/11 was inside job, there is tons of proof for this but we can't see it because media is controled by Israeli zionist lobby which controls US government and their puppets in arab world like Qatar and Saudis, wahhabi regimes which is everything but islamic regime. Wahhabism is death cult.

Yes I know more about 9/11 conspiracy since when I'm still in high school, like how all hundred jews survived, Muhammat Atta (one of the9/11 pilot) is still alive etc.This is one of the biggest conspiration theory ever known.

Second, as Quran prophecied childern of israel will cause corruption on earth twice, second time after coming back to their land which is NOW.

We decreed in the Book for the tribe of Israel "You will twice cause corruption on Earth and you will reach great haughtiness. When the promised first time came, We sent against you servants of Ours possessing great force, and they ransacked your houses, rampaging right through them. It was a promise that was fulfilled. Then once again We gave you the upper hand over them, supplied you with more wealth and children, and made you the most numerous group." (Qur'an, 174-6)

rotfl So you still believe with this dog-matic theory.

In the past when I still a teenager, I'm very interested in stories like this, but I know it's just baseless anti-semitism theory.
Sonny, that you must know is the current Israel and Bani Israel is DIFFERENT, so that verse you posted has nothing to do with Zionism.Bani Israel is already dissapear for long time and its pedigree is unknown.While the current nation of Israel was composed mostly from Jews immigrant from around the world and some of them is Hollocaust survivors, beside that not all Israelis follow ultrazionism ideology, some of them even pro-Palestina.

Bro Sonny I recommed you to avoid such kind of stories, cause this stories not only make you not smart but also to became anti-semitism.

4913 O people, We created you from a male and female, and We made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Knowledgeable, Expert.

This is article by Prof Aisha Musa about the meaning of Jews
http//www.askmusa.org/site/c.ehLKKZPJLuF/b.2794331/k.E6A4/Who_Are_The_Jews_A_Brief_History_of_the_Jewish_People.htm

supportpeacenotwar

In the past when I still a teenager, I'm very interested in stories like this, but I know it's just baseless anti-semitism theory.
Sonny, that you must know is the current Israel and Bani Israel is DIFFERENT, so that verse you posted has nothing to do with Zionism.Bani Israel is already dissapear for long time and its pedigree is unknown.While the current nation of Israel was composed mostly from Jews immigrant from around the world and some of them is Hollocaust survivors, beside that not all Israelis follow ultrazionism ideology, some of them even pro-Palestina.

Bro Sonny I recommed you to avoid such kind of stories, cause this stories not only make you not smart but also to became anti-semitism.

4913 O people, We created you from a male and female, and We made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Knowledgeable, Expert.

This is article by Prof Aisha Musa about the meaning of Jews
http//www.askmusa.org/site/c.ehLKKZPJLuF/b.2794331/k.E6A4/Who_Are_The_Jews_A_Brief_History_of_the_Jewish_People.htm

I would also urge caution on applying verses of the Quran like this. It can easily be referring to past events that are now finished with. I am not sure if this is relevant, but right now, the Israelis are not the most numerous group. Zionist lobbies have a lot of influence but the actual Israelis themselves are not greatest in number. Aren't there some concerns over Palestinian population growth in this regard from the Zionist point of view? As you point out, this does not appear to be the Bani Israel as referred to in the Quran. May Allah swt guide us in how best to understand and apply these verses with caution and not with haste.

unknownuser

What will you choose if you're Fahd bin Al Saud? US modern troops or Osama's suicide bombers?

On 20 May 1927, the British government signed the Treaty of Jeddah, which abolished the Darin protection agreement and recognized the independence of the Hejaz and Najd with Ibn Saud as its ruler.

Peace Jafar.Looks like your main interest is middle east political studies.
Thank you for giving me some good points.But I will responded some.

Fahd Ibn Saud of course he will choose the US as his allies, because it will give more profits.In current time what is profit working with illegal groups or terrorist unless you want playing dirty politics.
By choose US as allies it will give the profit of the Saudi Kingdom

Econmoy basically from investation.
Saudi-Iran involved in Cold wars, by alliying with US and its allies, it will supported Saudi for balancing Iran's hegemony in middle east.
Bahrain which now is buffer state between Saudi and Iran, also need help from USA, since Bahraini royal family is Sunni who aware if Iran became serious in claiming Bahrain.

For British installing Saud, I think it's wrong, because First Saudi State already existed in 1700s by help of Wahhabism.

Sonny

Yes I know more about 9/11 conspiracy since I'm still in high school, like how all hundred jews survived, Muhammat Atta (one of the9/11 pilot) is still alive etc.This is one of the biggest conspiration theory ever known.

rotfl So you still believe with this dog-matic theory.

Its a fact not conspiracy theory you idiot. Bin Laden himself said he has nothing to do with 9/11. he died shortly after. Former Pakistani Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto admited this watch this, http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z96IIQyVe0

unknownuser

Its a fact not conspiracy theory you idiot

Then you must open your eyes widely like your avatar before reading my post.

What I pointing about baseless theory is not that 9/11, but your Bani Israel theory you posting.
I still believe about 9/11 is a conspiracy by Mossad or Pentagon and not Al- Qaeda did.I even read it's sources for multiple times in the past.

Man_of_Faith

Peace,

Very respectful to call someone idiot indeed. I am impressed by Earthdom's calm response.

Please relax a little. Does God like it when you call people idiot?

God bless you

Sonny

Please relax a little. Does God like it when you call people idiot?

It was more like a joke not insult

In the past when I still a teenager, I'm very interested in stories like this, but I know it's just baseless anti-semitism theory.

The biggest anti-semite is Zionism regime. http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RjnvQHWyLE

Jafar

Fahd Ibn Saud of course he will choose the US as his allies, because it will give more profits.In current time what is profit working with illegal groups or terrorist unless you want playing dirty politics.
By choose US as allies it will give the profit of the Saudi Kingdom

Econmoy basically from investation.
Saudi-Iran involved in Cold wars, by alliying with US and its allies, it will supported Saudi for balancing Iran's hegemony in middle east.
Bahrain which now is buffer state between Saudi and Iran, also need help from USA, since Bahraini royal family is Sunni who aware if Iran became serious in claiming Bahrain.

Of course, what are his other choice? Allying with the Soviet?
The (failing) country which he (Fahd and other Sunni's king in the gulf) economically ruined through 'discount sales' of Oil?
Note During the heyday of Soviet Union, 68% of Soviet state income came from oil.

Syria, Libya, Iraq, Egypt choose Soviet as their 'ally', during the cold war and look how they ends up..

For British installing Saud, I think it's wrong, because First Saudi State already existed in 1700s by help of Wahhabism.

There's no absolute right and wrong in politics..

The brits needs allies for their war against the "Central Power" (German, Austria, Ottoman Turkey, Bulgaria) in WWI.
They found Saud to be among those allies.

If the Brits and their allies lost the WWI, then Abdulaziz ibn Saud (a.k.a "Saud&quot will be beheaded or hanged just like his great great grandpa in 18th century by the Ottoman Turks "colonial power" for treason.

Since the Brits won the WWI, thus as a 'payback' the Brits granted authority and power to the Saud.
That's why "Saudi Arabia" is the only country in the world today which named after a specific person.
A piece of Arab land which belong to Saud.

This 'Islam terrorist' + 'Bin Laden' is a political issue thus one need to understand the 'political history' in order to understand the 'problem' more clearly.

Salam / Peace

unknownuser

Of course, what are his other choice? Allying with the Soviet?

What time you pointing out, Jafar? During Gulf war time of course the Great Power is USA n some from NATO.What kind of country who refused join venture with Great Power?

What ideology, what political strucuture a country has, but if the economy is bad, the ideology is nothing.
Whetever the politics, the aims is same ECONOMY.

The brits needs allies for their war against the "Central Power" (German, Austria, Ottoman Turkey, Bulgaria) in WWI.

It's just Great Power useless doing since Napoleon wars and Central Asian Great Game.

Since the Brits won the WWI, thus as a 'payback' he granted authority and power to the Saud.
That's why "Saudi Arabia" is the only country in the world today which named after a specific person.
A piece of Arab land which belong to Saud.

Naming Saud for country, it's like doctrination and it's just Saudi's tactic for sthrengthen their position.So generations to generations will called their country "Saudi Arabia" and it's a taboo to change another.

Name & flag is main identity of the nation.

This 'Islam terrorist' + 'Bin Laden' is a political issue thus one need to understand the 'political history' in order to understand the 'problem' more clearly.

Yes I already know about Osama "true motive" for being terrorist.I has a book in Indon language about Osama and say Osama's case just about oil rivalry but in the banner/flag of Islam

Jafar

Whetever the politics, the aims is same ECONOMY.

Whetever the politics, The aims is POWER..
And human invented Religions and Gods as a tool to gain POWER.

It's just Great Power useless doing since Napoleon wars and Central Asian Great Game.

Since Roman vs Persian..

Since human big ape ancestor cracking each other heads for exclusive control over hunting territory..

Yes I already know about Osama "true motive" for being terrorist.I has a book in Indon language about Osama and say Osama's case just about oil rivalry but in the banner/flag of Islam

Oh yes of course.. the banner of Islam...
Anything to appease the audience and gain more recruits for his suicidal bomber..
It has been the same rethoric repeated over and over, since middle ages crusade..

Salam / Peace

unknownuser

Whetever the politics, The aims is POWER..

POWER for ECONOMY.ECONOMY is people needs, POLITIC is just for arrange ECONOMY policy.

Iran-US are enemies in politics, but they still do export-import, Cuba-US claim themself enemies in ideologies, but American now can still smoke Cuban cigarettes.

Since Roman vs Persian..

but the political atmosphere at that time is different with 17-20 centuries

Salam/peace

Jafar

POWER for ECONOMY.ECONOMY is people needs, POLITIC is just for arrange ECONOMY policy.

When I have POWER I don't need any 'ECONOMY'.

Sultan Jafar May Blessed Be His Name You! Yes you! Gimme 50% of your income every month or I cut your head off!! (Also known as Taxation)

Sultan Jafar MBBHN And you! Since my troop has caught you in one of my daring Jihad (read raid), I shall spare your life and you and your son and daughter will be my slave, you must work for me without any salary, or I shall crucify you all! (Also known as War Booty)

Sultan Jafar MBBHN And you priest! Write in your book that I am the "Blessed one by the God", declare the book to be holy, and I shall declare those who dare to desecrate the holy book shall be considered as traitor and shall be put to death by stoning. (Also known as Heresy)

Sultan Jafar MBBHN And declare also in the holy book, that those who serve and died during one of my glorious jihad (read invasion and raid to neighboring state / country) shall earn himself heaven by the LORD, within he shall have 72 virgins to play around with. (as such I can have millions of troops without paying a single dime from my treasury)

Sultan Jafar MBBHN's priest ergghh.. My Lord, that's kind of weak, what if someone say "If that's the case why the Sultan is sitting in the comfort of his palace with his Hareem and doesn't stand in the front line to die in his 'glorious jihad? Thus he shall go to Heaven instantly?"

Sultan Jafar MBBHN Priest! Write also in the holy book those who dare to challenge with such statement is a heretic and shall be put to death plus he'll abide in hell for all eternity.

Iran-US are enemies in politics, but they still do export-import, Cuba-US claim themself enemies in ideologies, but American now can still smoke Cuban cigarettes.

Your statement is actually supporting my statement, Politics is all about POWER which shall bring AUTHORITY and CONTROL and not about ECONOMY or TRADE.

Back to the main topic

To really expose those vile and evil preachers who spread hatred by 'waging a jihad against the infidel'.
Challenge them, if you tell us to do suicidal bombing to kill the infidel and such act shall earn us heaven with 72 virgins. Then why the heck you're still standing here? and not doing it yourselves?? Instead you tell other people to do such 'heaven rewarding' act???

Salam / Peace

unknownuser

Peace Jafar.

Who is Sultan Jafar anyway?

To really expose those vile and evil preachers who spread hatred by 'waging a jihad against the infidel'.
Challenge them, if you tell us to do suicidal bombing to kill the infidel and such act shall earn us heaven with 72 virgins. Then why the heck you're still standing here? and not doing it yourselves?? Instead you tell other people to do such 'heaven rewarding' act???

Sorry, I dont know the meaning and purpose of your questions.

Wakas

peace,

You may find this interesting
http//www.newageislam.com/books-and-documents/man-and-war-by-allama-ghulam-ahmad-parwez/d/1891

unknownuser

http//www.newageislam.com/books-and-documents/man-and-war-by-allama-ghulam-ahmad-parwez/d/1891

This is same article I read in Tolu e Islam website.
Btw thanks for providing that link,Wakas )

Bigmo

After 9-11 there has been various debates about Islam. Some have said that the terrorist are Islam's true spoken. The so called moderates practice taqiya. Taqiya is the deliberate lying for the faith. They say Islam is a violent religion that commands Muslims to kill non Muslim. Non Muslims have 3 choices, either they convert, pay the jizya(tax) or die. They say Muhammad was peaceful for PR reasons and once strong showed his true colors and preached violent jihad. They say all the peaceful verses were abrogated after his final victory with this verse

9.5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

And also this verse

9.29. Fight those who believe not in God nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by God and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

This verses are chosen for a reason. When read alone it implies a command to attack until they convert. Of course there are other verses in the Koran that talks about fighting. But why do they tend to focus on this one? Its simple, the other verses tend to show the defensive nature of the jihad and also the malicious intent and behavior of the pagans. Thus never cited. Lets look at some of them

2.190. Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors

2.191. And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith

2.193. And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in God, but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression

Also

2.217. They ask thee concerning fighting in the Prohibited Month. Say "Fighting therein is a grave (offence); but graver is it in the sight of God to prevent access to the path of God, to deny Him, to prevent access to the Sacred Mosque, and drive out its members." Tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter. Nor will they cease fighting you until they turn you back from your faith if they can. And if any of you Turn back from their faith and die in unbelief, their works will bear no fruit in this life and in the Hereafter; they will be companions of the Fire and will abide therein.

All these verses talks about fighting, however within these verses the defensive nature of the verses and the malicious behavior of the pagans is cited. Thus those who wish to attack Islam never cite those verses. Its a deliberate attempt to hide what the Koran as saying and using selective verses to imply what they know the verses does not mean.

Lets however look at the verse that is often cited. This time we will take the verses before and after it to see what is the context this verse is talking.

9.4. (But the treaties are) not dissolved with those Pagans with whom ye have entered into alliance and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor aided any one against you. So fulfil your engagements with them to the end of their term for God loveth the righteous.

9.5. But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them for God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.

However in the same chapter in explains the intention behind this verse

9.13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is God Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe!

Here the Quran clearly states that this was a war being imposed on the believers and they are to defend themselves. The Quran only recognizes defensive war,

The Koran makes clear the job of the prophet

1682 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message .

6107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides Him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you a guardian over them.

479-80 Say'Whatever good betides you is from God and whatever evil betides you is from your own self and that We have sent you to mankind only as a messenger and all sufficing is God as witness. Whoso obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent you as a keeper."

1128 He (Noah) said "O my people! think over it! If I act upon a clear direction from my Lord who has bestowed on me from Himself the Merciful talent of seeing the right way, a way which you cannot see for yourself, does it follow that we can force you to take the right path when you definitely decline to take it?°

1753-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you with power to determine their Faith.

8821 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe.

But most of all the Koran asks the prophet himself this question

10.99-100. If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! No soul can believe, except by the will of God, and He will place doubt (or obscurity) on those who will not understand

The Sects claim that the concept of defensive war has been abrogated by these verses in Chapter 9

But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Jizya is then explained by the Sects as a tax to be paid by non Muslims to the Muslim ruler. Of course we know that what really these sects believe abrogated the defensive war verses of the Koran is this hadith

Ibn ?Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, ?I have been ordered to fight the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah.? (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.)?

And even a casual glance at that hadith we know must have also abrogated many other verses and not just the defensive war verses like

1753-54 And tell my servants that they should speak in a most kindly manner. Verily, Satan is always ready to stir up discord between men; for verily; Satan is mans foe .... Hence, We have not sent you with power to determine their Faith

1682 But if they turn away from you, your only duty is a clear delivery of the Message

6107 Yet if God had so willed, they would not have ascribed Divinity to aught besides Him; hence, We have not made you their keeper, nor are you a guardian over them

8821 22; And so, exhort them your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them to believe

3941 Assuredly, We have sent down the Book to you in right form for the good of man. Whoso guided himself by it does so to his own advantage, and whoso turns away from it does so at his own loss. You certainly are not their keeper.

But since some Sunni scholars want to hide behind the Koran and are ashamed to say that the hadith abrogates the Koran, we will go along with it for argument sake.

So what is Jizya anyways

The Arabic term jizya appears in verse Quran 929, but the Qur'an does not specify jizya as a tax per head. According to Paul Heck, the jizya taxation seems to be a developed form of the Sassanian practice of taxation.

Commentators disagree on the definition and derivation of the word jizya
Shakir and Khalifa's English translations of the Qur'an render jizya as "tax", while Pickthal translates it as "tribute". Yusuf Ali prefers to transliterate the term as jizyah.
Yusuf Ali states "The derived meaning, which became the technical meaning, was a poll tax levied from those who did not accept Islam, but were willing to live under the protection of Islam, and were thus tacitly willing to submit to the laws enforced by the Muslim State."
Monqiz As-Saqqar attributes the word jizya to the root word jaza meaning "compensate" and defines it as "a sum of money given in return for protection".
Ibn Al-Mutaraz derives the word from 'idjz?, meaning "substitute" or "sufficiency" because "it suffices as a substitute for the dhimmi's embracement of Islam."
Yusuf al-Qaradawi says the word jizya is derived from the jazaa', meaning "reward", "return", or "compensation", and defines it as "a payment by the non-Muslim according to an agreement signed with the Muslim state".
Edward William Lane, in An Arabic-English Lexicon defines jizya as a "tax that is taken from the free non-Muslim subjects of a Muslim government whereby they ratify the compact that assures them protection.
Ibn Rushd explains that jizya is in fact a broader concept than just a head-tax. It also includes monies exacted in times of war ? what is normally understood in English by the word ?tribute? ? as well as levies (?ushr) on non-muslim merchants who are trading in the Dar al-Harb.

In practice, the word is applied to a special type of tax, levied upon the non-Muslim adult males living under an Islamic state.

After the Norman conquest of Sicily, taxes imposed on the Muslim minority were also called the "jizya".

http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jizya

Lets look at how they define that term

compensation, reward, substitute, tribute, return.

Well we know from the Koran that there were many Jews and pagans living in Medina. We also know that they interacted with the prophet and that the prophet had political power over them to some degree. Yet there is no mentioning of Jizya except when the believers were just about to enter Mecca. Anotherwords Jizya in the Koran came when talking about the Meccans upon entering that city.

I don't know about you but i know if I was forced into exile and taken from my home and lost my possession and business and whatever else I had and suffered all those years from the pagans of Mecca because of my religious belief

9.13. Will ye not fight people who violated their oaths, plotted to expel the Messenger, and took the aggressive by being the first (to assault) you? Do ye fear them? Nay, it is Allah Whom ye should more justly fear, if ye believe

I know I would want some compensation, some reward, some substitute, some tribute. Jizya is just like a war reperation and being compensated for damages. The believers entered Mecca where many of them came from, this is no conquest. Conquest(ghazu) has no mentioning in the Koran. Conquest is taking land that was never your homeland. In fact what the hadith tried to do was to pave a way for conquests. Then introduce taxes to create wealth. Take that and prisoners of war sold as slaves, you got yourself a pretty profitable scenario. No doubt all this was useful for the dictators.

It really show us how deviated some aspects of these Sects are.

Man_of_Faith

Peace Bigmo,

Thanks for an enlightening article.

God bless you