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Where is the Golden Rule in the Quran?

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    huruf
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    So to make a long story short. You can't find the Golden Rule in the Holy Quran.

    Of course I can find it, that what you call the golden rule, as if you were some kind of authority, but I am not going to look for it. If you think that the Qur'an is devoid of what you call a golden rule, that is too bad for you, not for me. As I said, I can do without your 1000$. You can go an dlook for it yourself and discard the Qur'an if you are not happy with it. I am not your big sister nor your guardian nor do I get a commission of collecting 1000$ from people who like that kind of toys. This is nto a boxing contest. And I repeat if you cannot find in the Qur'an what you think should be there, too bad for you. Really too bad for you, not for me.

    People here have given you good, honest and sensible answers answers, but I guess you are not looking for good answers but for a victory of your superior genius. You look like a kid. I guess you are still one. Superior genius will not bring you closer to your Owner and Master. Humility and trust might be a greater help.

    Salaam

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      Sonny
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      Salam alaikum

      If someone can show me the Golden Rule "treat others as you wish to be treated" from the Quran I will personally send them a cheque for $1000 US.

      However if you admit that the Golden Rule is not to be found in the Pure Quran, then you will have to admit that the text of the Quran is missing very important moral lessons and requires Hadith.

      You are follower of wahhabi death cult or what?? - They are the only "muslims" who don't "treat others as you wish to be treated". Like killing atheists rotfl

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        unknownuser
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        Golden Rule?? hmm NICE term indeed.

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          Mazhar
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          You didn't understand the Golden Rule "treat others as you would have them treat you".

          Having justice, kindness, helping orphans etc., all of these are good things - but they are not the Golden Rule principle. Please understand this very important point - the Golden Rule is never stated in the Quran, only in Hadith.

          Grand Qur'aan lays down diamond rules. See this

          You turn back the evil misconduct-conjecture-hearsay with that conduct and discourse which is most beautifully poised-the best conduct.

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            mohf
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            2422
            And let not those of virtue among you and wealth swear not to give to their relatives and the needy and the emigrants for the cause of Allah , and let them pardon and overlook. Would you not like that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
            Sahih International

            612-3
            O you who have believed, why do you say what you do not do?
            Great is hatred in the sight of Allah that you say what you do not do.
            Sahih International

            588
            Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for what you intended of oaths. So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find - then a fast of three days . That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful.
            Sahih International

            Please send the thousand dollars through paypal to admin mohf nl, that is, if you are truthfull.

            But my experience tells me that Hadithers would never do that; its a sin for Hadithers to give money to jews, christians, mushrikeen, kafireen ... Including Quranists, because they do not believe in Abu Hurairah.

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              Maha
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              treat others as you want to be treated o

              what if someone is self destructive ? is it then OK for him to behave like that with other people as well according to the bible?

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                supportpeacenotwar
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                Peace Maha,

                I think implicit in the Golden Rule is doing good. For example, if one says patiently perserving refers to patiently doing evil... that would be a completely wrong interpretation of the message. We would say patience is a good goal to work towards and we would mean for good ends.


                A general point

                In the West, (this can apply to the whole world as well) where the Golden rule has apparently been predominant in Christianity, has this been applied? Imperialism has been used to plunder the resources of other nations to create wealth. Wars and complete disregard for human life - especially on different ethnic, religious etc grounds. Sanctions applied in such a way that brutalise people.

                Total lack of environmentalism - in the form of lack of reuse and recycling, to pollution and wasting resources. Fashion is actually a huge one in that regard because so much is wasted in the process of updating let alone the resources it takes to create things. Water is used for everything, and there's a lot more water used to create jeans etc than you might assume. Water is a very precious resource. I think we should also treat the environment with respect and I believe this is also part of the 'golden rule' in the Quran.

                Wealth and prosperity are so greatly admired or sought after by people in general both in modern times and the past they forget the Quran's message. But wealth, as I mentioned can be gained in the worst ways... would we want others to do this to us? And then others still admire the wealth we have? Haman (I think it is although it could be someone else) is admired by people for his wealth. However, he loses it all and I think he dies at the same time. And the believers say, it is not the wealth we should admire and they refer to God swt and belief in the last day and that Haman did not care about that.

                So in practice, has the Golden Rule been applied by those who say it is apparently more explicit in their scriptures? Or at least, it has been held in the traditions etc of the nation? Maybe that's something that should also considered a bit.

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                  mmkhan
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                  Grand Qur'aan lays down diamond rules. See this

                  You turn back the evil misconduct-conjecture-hearsay with that conduct and discourse which is most beautifully poised-the best conduct.

                  I am afraid that you have quoted the aayat wrong. Please add aayat nos. whenever you quote any aayat. I think you have quoted, if not please correct me.

                  4134

                  May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                  mmKhan

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                    Mazhar
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                    Salamun alaika,

                    Ref of Ayah No is given in my post 2396

                    For Bender your quote read with 2396 can provide a lesson for knowing elided words. In your quote object of the verb is elided thought evidently understood by the reader who knows grammar and mutual relatioship of words in a sentence. Elided words must be translated by reference to other sentences of Qur'aan.

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                      mmkhan
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                      Salamun alaika,

                      Ref of Ayah No is given in my post 2396

                      Salaamun alaika,

                      Oh, I am really sorry for not looking at it... I have seen only Arabic part. Sorry again.

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                        Mazhar
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                        Salaamun alaika,

                        Oh, I am really sorry for not looking at it... I have seen only Arabic part. Sorry again.

                        I understand. However, it helped me clarify a point for Bender about a very normal practice of elisions in writing.

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                          Maha
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                          Peace Maha,

                          I think implicit in the Golden Rule is doing good. For example, if one says patiently perserving refers to patiently doing evil... that would be a completely wrong interpretation of the message. We would say patience is a good goal to work towards and we would mean for good ends.


                          A general point

                          In the West, (this can apply to the whole world as well) where the Golden rule has apparently been predominant in Christianity, has this been applied? Imperialism has been used to plunder the resources of other nations to create wealth. Wars and complete disregard for human life - especially on different ethnic, religious etc grounds. Sanctions applied in such a way that brutalise people.

                          Total lack of environmentalism - in the form of lack of reuse and recycling, to pollution and wasting resources. Fashion is actually a huge one in that regard because so much is wasted in the process of updating let alone the resources it takes to create things. Water is used for everything, and there's a lot more water used to create jeans etc than you might assume. Water is a very precious resource. I think we should also treat the environment with respect and I believe this is also part of the 'golden rule' in the Quran.

                          Wealth and prosperity are so greatly admired or sought after by people in general both in modern times and the past they forget the Quran's message. But wealth, as I mentioned can be gained in the worst ways... would we want others to do this to us? And then others still admire the wealth we have? Haman (I think it is although it could be someone else) is admired by people for his wealth. However, he loses it all and I think he dies at the same time. And the believers say, it is not the wealth we should admire and they refer to God swt and belief in the last day and that Haman did not care about that.

                          So in practice, has the Golden Rule been applied by those who say it is apparently more explicit in their scriptures? Or at least, it has been held in the traditions etc of the nation? Maybe that's something that should also considered a bit.

                          peace sister

                          Well I agree with you but I dont see anywhere where the golden rule has been applied properly, do you?

                          And what if someone is self destructive... how would he understand the golden rule ???

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                            Israfeel
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                            2422
                            And let not those of virtue among you and wealth swear not to give to their relatives and the needy and the emigrants for the cause of Allah , and let them pardon and overlook. Would you not like that Allah should forgive you? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
                            Sahih International

                            612-3
                            O you who have believed, why do you say what you do not do?
                            Great is hatred in the sight of Allah that you say what you do not do.
                            Sahih International

                            588
                            Allah will not impose blame upon you for what is meaningless in your oaths, but He will impose blame upon you for what you intended of oaths. So its expiation is the feeding of ten needy people from the average of that which you feed your families or clothing them or the freeing of a slave. But whoever cannot find - then a fast of three days . That is the expiation for oaths when you have sworn. But guard your oaths. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be grateful.
                            Sahih International

                            Please send the thousand dollars through paypal to admin mohf nl, that is, if you are truthfull.

                            But my experience tells me that Hadithers would never do that; its a sin for Hadithers to give money to jews, christians, mushrikeen, kafireen ... Including Quranists, because they do not believe in Abu Hurairah.

                            None of those verses have the Golden Rule "Treat others as you wish to be treated"

                            Not even close

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                              yellowdog8272
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                              None of those verses have the Golden Rule "Treat others as you wish to be treated"

                              Not even close

                              What about worshipping one God? Isn't it obvious?

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                                Israfeel
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                                What about worshipping one God? Isn't it obvious?

                                Worshiping One God isn't the Golden Rule "Treat others as you wish to be treated". Come on people, just admit the Golden Rule isn't in the Quran. Stop this tap dancing.

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                                  mmkhan
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                                  Who made this golden rule? Allah? If not, then that is NOT the golden rule.

                                  Now comes to your question. Do you mean if I feed a poor, do I expect from him the same? Is this what YOUR golden rule is?

                                  May Allah open our hearts to understand the Truth pr
                                  mmKhan

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                                    Israfeel
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                                    Who made this golden rule? Allah? If not, then that is NOT the golden rule.

                                    Now comes to your question. Do you mean if I feed a poor, do I expect from him the same? Is this what YOUR golden rule is?

                                    May Allah open our hearts to understand the Truth pr
                                    mmKhan

                                    Good question. The Golden Rule would mean that you should feed a poor person because if you yourself were poor and hungry you would like others to help you and give you food out of kindness.

                                    See how beautiful the Golden Rule is. Problem is Golden Rule is never mentioned in Quran, only in Hadith. Alhamdulillah.

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                                      yellowdog8272
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                                      Good question. The Golden Rule would mean that you should feed a poor person because if you yourself were poor and hungry you would like others to help you and give you food out of kindness.

                                      See how beautiful the Golden Rule is. Problem is Golden Rule is never mentioned in Quran, only in Hadith. Alhamdulillah.

                                      So what is the golden rule in the hadiths?

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                                        Israfeel
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                                        So what is the golden rule in the hadiths?

                                        Translation Treat people the way you love them to treat you (Muslim Sharif)

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                                          yellowdog8272
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                                          Translation Treat people the way you love them to treat you (Muslim Sharif)

                                          But how do you know that this is the golden rule?

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