What is God's role with Born Disabled?
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Salaam Huruf,
I would have liked to be involve in conversation with you to clear more of my doubts but I feel your replies are too harsh. For me and also your respond to Tigress. Honestly, you are asking me to stay away from these conditions not to get depressed but to read your replies are already depressing lol. brickwall Apologies but I am not that strong yet I guess. Respond with a little bit of politeness would have been cherry in the cake but now it seems to be Chilly on the cake.
Another thing I would like to make clear is, I am not trying to blame or question God by this post. I am a god fearing person and have come to this path after surviving through diverse religious background. I was just trying to get view of different peoples on this site who most of them I think have done a lot of research and posses far more knowledge than me. If bringing that topic has somehow make you feel offended, I am really sorry about it.
May God keep us in the right path always.
Peace
No, I am not offended at all. I was trying to find out why you seem to suffer so much. I mean, it is enough that people suffer their ills and that they try to alleviate as much as they can of other prople's ills, but to feel the own ills and load upon oneself the ills of the others may be more than one can handle.
I regret you find harsh what I say, I guess it sounds so at the other end. I do not have any harsh feelings nor blame you or anything. Quite the opposite, I just felt about you the same you feel for those who are impaired, the inability to unload you of your anguish.
Salaam
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Another thing I would like to make clear is, I am not trying to blame or question God by this post.
It is by way of questioning that we learn.
Moses was shocked with somethings. I can't think of the verses to quote. Someone here can refer to the verses where a child was killed and Moses found that troubling. Muhammed also questioned God.
God tells us to contemplate, to think, to reflect.
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President kennedy had a sister with intellectual disability. And his sister Eunice Kennedy shriver believed in justice and championed the change in the attitude and treatment of people with disabilities. As a result of her efforts, in the United States there is much resources for the disabled. All public building has to have handicap access. My friend works for agency that cares of people with disabilities who cannot take care of themselves. Her job is to give them meds, take them shopping, taking them to special Olympics, and such.
Salam justamuslim,
Above example of Kennedy and her sister makes a lot of sense to answer my question of why god would do something like that. In fact he does it for the betterment of human race. hail
As God makes it clear, this life is a test.
Certainly it is. Thank you so much
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Quite the opposite, I just felt about you the same you feel for those who are impaired, the inability to unload you of your anguish.
Salaam
Salam Huruf,
Sorry But I didn't get what you meant by above line?
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Salam Huruf,
Sorry But I didn't get what you meant by above line?
Well, my impression is that you are suffering and are anguished by that unhappy fate of people with impairments and that that is the reason you are writing in this thread. And because of that I felt concerned about you, that is all, because I know of cases where people have suffered severe depression when dealing with disgraces for which they feel intensely and in front of which they feel powerless.
Salaam
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I think you should consider that the hereafter is by far more important than the worldly life. The hereafter is infinity, but the worldy life is nothing in comparison.
Also, I see disabilities and disease as a test. It is a test of our character one of which is compassion. Well, this is just my own thoughts. I think that there is a reason for everything.
As God makes it clear, this life is a test.
The clear points for this thread is both of this quotes.
There is no human in this world is perfect.ExampleRich family but broken home and poor family but happy family.
Human lives is like yin and yang concept.Whetever there is light, there also the dark existed.Whetever that humans have some superiority, the humans also have some weakness.
Superiority and weakness of humans is different each other, so that's why human was recomended to live together befriend each other, because they can cover their weakness each other.
Yeah the disability people is their takdir created by Allah and it's to testing their faith, they strong enough or rather that their iman was shaken because of it.
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Salam,
Seems like you have completely got me wrong. I did not start this post to confess my grief nor because I was suffering. I started this thread to clear my doubt in the issue by getting different views from different intelligent minds. I was just not able to understand why God will discriminate this way while we believe him to be just. I can see that changing after getting some wonderful responses from you and other members. My intention was to understand what can be the purpose behind it. Sorry if my english was too bad to understand the concise meaning lol.
Thank you for your concern though. handshake
Well, my impression is that you are suffering and are anguished by that unhappy fate of people with impairments and that that is the reason you are writing in this thread. And because of that I felt concerned about you, that is all, because I know of cases where people have suffered severe depression when dealing with disgraces for which they feel intensely and in front of which they feel powerless.
Salaam
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Salam Earthdom,
Agree with your points. Thank you for your responses.
I also like to add that I really like your signature line. wow
Peace
The clear points for this thread is both of this quotes.
There is no human in this world is perfect.ExampleRich family but broken home and poor family but happy family.
Human lives is like yin and yang concept.Whetever there is light, there also the dark existed.Whetever that humans have some superiority, the humans also have some weakness.
Superiority and weakness of humans is different each other, so that's why human was recomended to live together befriend each other, because they can cover their weakness each other.
Yeah the disability people is their takdir created by Allah and it's to testing their faith, they strong enough or rather that their iman was shaken because of it.
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We are strong believers that the expecting mother and child would be safe only in the Safety hands of doctors and equally strong rejecters of belief in the Only Creator, who Perfects us, who Fashions us, who Nourishes us, who Protects us, who Guides us, Allah. Your disabled offsprings, the humanoids are not what Allah created; they are all mutated and disabled by the handiwork of the specialist shaitaans, the agents of allopathy with their drugs. Allah harms none; but you harm yourselves and your progeny. Despite this, if we keep on discussing this subject, blaming Allah then remember this ayat
- But if any one earns a fault or a sin and throws it on to the One, Allah who is innocent, He carries on himself both a falsehood and a flagrant sin.
If you are believers in this ayat, then seek forgiveness for having started this thread and having involved in it. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Guiding.
fazl
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Your disabled offsprings, the humanoids are not what Allah created; they are all mutated and disabled by the handiwork of the specialist shaitaans, the agents of allopathy with their drugs. Allah harms none; but you harm yourselves and your progeny. Despite this, if we keep on discussing this subject, blaming Allah then remember this ayat
fazl
Can you explain how as an example Down syndrome is the handiwork of specialist shaitaans/agents of allopathy?
By the way who are these specialist shaitaans?
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Can you explain how as an example Down syndrome is the handiwork of specialist shaitaans/agents of allopathy?
By the way who are these specialist shaitaans?
Every allopathic drug prescribed and administered to patients by the medical agents for every simple disease to doctor worked, drug induced complicated diseases has teratogenic effect causing systemic affection and genetic mutation. The self styled allopathic physician specialists have coined innumerable fancy names for just one wholesome genetic disorder. And for not any one disease they have the remotest relief leave alone cure.
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Salaam Fazl,
I assume you haven't gone through the whole thread else you wouldn't have said it this way. There are 3 things I have noted from your response.
First of all, I do believe Quran to be the Scripture of God and believe in each and every aayat of it.
2nd, I still do not see any reason for me to ask for forgiveness for starting this thread (although I do believe that there is nothing wrong in asking forgiveness from God). If you read my responses above you can clearly see what my intention were. I wanted to seek knowledge for the purpose behind it and not to blame god.
3rd, I can see the contradiction in your own paragraph for the same issue. Please see below in red and highlighted.
We are strong believers that the expecting mother and child would be safe only in the Safety hands of doctors and equally strong rejecters of belief in the Only Creator, who Perfects us, who Fashions us, who Nourishes us, who Protects us, who Guides us, Allah. Your disabled offsprings, the humanoids are not what Allah created; they are all mutated and disabled by the handiwork of the specialist shaitaans, the agents of allopathy with their drugs. Allah harms none; but you harm yourselves and your progeny. Despite this, if we keep on discussing this subject, blaming Allah then remember this ayat
You yourself saying God to be the only creator so how does Shaytaan play a role in our creation? You also noted that God protects us, so why will he let Shaitaan mutate his own perfectly fashioned creation? What I understand is Shaitaan only comes into play after the free will of a person, if the person chooses to accept the wrong path. It does not make sense to say that a born disabled person was mutated by Shaitaan because he chose to follow his path.
- But if any one earns a fault or a sin and throws it on to the One, Allah who is innocent, He carries on himself both a falsehood and a flagrant sin.
If you are believers in this ayat, then seek forgiveness for having started this thread and having involved in it. Surely, Allah is Most Forgiving, Guiding.
fazl
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Salaam everyone.
I always had this question in my mind and have never been able to get any reasonable answer so far.
What is God's role with people who are born disabled? particularly those who are born severely disabled. If god is never unjust to his creations and he is the most merciful, why these people has to suffer for something they didn't have anything to do?
Any Logical input or Scripture understanding (any of God's scripture) would be great..
Peace
Salaam
this question is one the most complex questions and is linked to the more complex question of why we are we here.
the question can be extented to poor/rich, worker/inheritor, ugly/beautiful and so on.the appearent injustice is mainly for biological entities. Spirits are equals.
the appearent injustice concerns only a small part of the life of the spirit.
biological life is only appearance.you can be a rich and beautiful inheritor but feel sad and suicide yourself
you can be disabled, poor and ugly and feel happy.We quite all will be disabled in the end of our life. We will loose beauty, physical power, and will not be able to use as we want money we accumulated in our life.
as mo'omin, you have to accept what was given to you, not be jealous of what others was given in this very short biological life.
life is a test. Life is a teaching from our rabb. Actual earth was given to humans who have to rule it (khalifa). Paradise will be ruled by God.
your body is simply a random biological box for your spirit who have to decide who to follow the unique Rabb or the chaytan mixture based on human sayings.
that was my opinion.
more details in quran.Peace
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Peace oneandonly,
I think you should not take drfazl's words too literally. He means that our reliance upon health care causes defects in us and thus creating these mutations in our offspring. He has also told that our diseases and other illnesses are due to trusting workers of evil, ie doctors and those who work on the human body instead of putting all our trust in God to cure us.
I intended to be neutral in my clarification and it was simply my understanding of Mr Rahman's ideas based on his thread dedicated to this topic.
I do not have this orthodox interpretation that Mr Rahman has, but I like some of his ideas.
God bless you
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Salaam Fazl,
I assume you haven't gone through the whole thread else you wouldn't have said it this way. There are 3 things I have noted from your response. I still do not see any reason for me to ask for forgiveness for starting this thread (although I do believe that there is nothing wrong in asking forgiveness from God). If you read my responses above you can clearly see what my intention were. I wanted to seek knowledge for the purpose behind it and not to blame god.
Salam
oneandonly,Sorry, is my first response to your post though my post is only a general response to the topic and not connected with the line of discussion going on. This is why I did not address this post to you or to anybody. You are right you do not have to seek forgiveness given your intention.
Shaitaans are the ones who would deviate humans from their God's straight path to heavenly life and lead them towards the life of eternal destruction, disability, distress, disgrace, disorientation, and affliction with diseases and poverty in this world. They give false promises with intention to deceive them in the end. The subject of modern medicine is exactly the same; and its practitioners knowingly have adopted or passively have become victim to this satanic path.
Coming to God's role with born disabled
True to his challenge, we have been deviated by shaitaan from Allah, to become strong believers in modern medicine that every expecting mother and child would be safe only in the safety hands of the doctors and not with God alone; and we too have become strong rejecters of belief in the Only Creator, who Perfects us, who Fashions us, who Nourishes us, who Protects us, who Guides us, Allah. Now all medicines are injected as vaccines and drugs by the shaitaans, the doctors and the specialists which caused mutation of genes in the developing embryo. Thus God has no role with born disabled.- But if any one earns a fault or a sin and throws it on to the One, Allah who is innocent, He carries on himself both a falsehood and a flagrant sin.
Peace
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Peace drfazl,
Sorry for replying in your place. I did not want your words to go misunderstood.
God bless you
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Man of Faith
SalamI am sorry I should have acknowledged and welcomed your post immediately, but I was doing some corrections to my post that caused the delay. Do you have even remote idea that I have orthodox view? I am always independent as you are. You are always welcome.
God Bless You
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Peace drfazl,
I maybe should have used a better word than orthodox. I meant that I do not follow this way as strictly as you, although I have understood the badness of relying on health care. But your comments in your thread have been valuable and added some thoughts to my mind. I sincerely apologize for offending you even if unintentionally.
I have also understood that when you feel emotionally affected too much, then you drive forth the illnesses. If you meditate a little and pray for guidance then this is confirmed by God and He enlightens you.
God bless you