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Philosophy or even truthful corrections to understanding?
Peace to you dear readers. I finalized my whole main purpose of this thread with my last post, but I thought that I might as well continue to give philosophical input on what I have previously discovered on the interpretation of the Recitation by the alleged prophet Muhammad, and it may as well be true. What I discuss is not completely unfounded and I have spent a long time considering the meaning of many verses and sometimes it is from a logical analysis of the discourse rather than a linguistic one. I argue that in Arabic, words carry a very descriptive and fundamental meanings and do not have multiple meanings but almost the same meaning with some variations, which can be noticed through different spellings. Worth noticing is that I am no Arabic scholar, but I only got interested in the analysis of words and the flow of text from a literal standpoint and by seeing that sentences should look fluent and coherent to be the true interpretation as well as reasonable and logical befitting the "Islamic" philosophy.I have argued that 'ketab' does not mean book based on many weird occasions where it sounds quite absurd and also that it is used for the English word 'decree' in many instances. Look at this experimental translation with controversial words in color
287 And We gave Moses the Decree, and after him We sent the missionaries. And We gave Jesus, son of Mary, the clear proofs, and We supported him with the Holy Spirit. Is it that every time a missionary comes to you with what your souls do not desire, you become arrogant? A group of them you deny, and a group of them you kill!
The same word is translated into 'letter' in the case of Solomon and the queen of Sheba. Check this experimental translation
2728 (Solomon) ?Take this decree of mine and cast it to them, then withdraw from them and observe what they respond with.?
2729 She said ?O commanders, a noble decree has been delivered to me.?
2730 ?It is from Solomon, and it reads ?In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful??
2731 ??Do not be arrogant towards me and come to me as harmonizers??Note that it is more a command than a letter in nature, and you see that it is 'In the name of God...', i.e. written through divine inspiration. Solomon would not write this on his own behalf and formulated like this. The following phrase is indicating that it is God and they should not come towards Him with arrogance and to come as harmonizers. Noble is likely because it is signed "in the name of God.."
Red Another experimentation with the word islam because traditionally it gives God a tyrannical feel when you say submitter.
You see how less idolatrous the recitation becomes with this alternative and probably more truthful interpretation of the ancient text? Moses received a decree and then the subsequent missionaries carried it out or upheld it in a succession. In my world these were not books but decrees, look into this verse with plural ketab (kutub)
6612 And Mary, daughter of Imran, who maintained the chastity of her private part, so We blew into it from Our Spirit, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Decrees; and she was of those who were dutiful.
Why is dutiful mentioned in conjunction to the previous words? Because kutub in the previous phrase is decrees.
In terms of the "scribe" mentioned in some verses where ketab's root is used is probably likely to be a jurist (or similar) rather than scribe/writer, a person authorized for this kind of work.
You may wonder why it matters if ketaab is understood as book or decree, like my wife did, but it is actually making a big difference in understanding. It causes divine texts to become idols, particularly the so-called "Qur'an" which has no real name but is only called just "the recitation".
You may also have wondered why there seems to be only one highlighted al-ketaab throughout the whole narration, and that is basically because there is only a generic decree. The whole concept is gathered under the decree. This is why I erroneously but not so badly mistranslated the decree as message for a long time (see the earlier of my posts in this thread) and I tried several times with alternatives until I realized the simplest possible meaning was the Truth.
22 That is the Decree in which there is no doubt, a guidance for the righteous.
A guidance because you have a decree for them, i.e. the righteous ones.
278 And among them are Gentiles who do not know the Decree except by hearsay, and they only conjecture.
279 So woe to those who decree the Decree with their hands then say ?This is from God,? so that they can purchase with it a cheap price! Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they gained.Green Certainly in English a literal translation sounds a bit lame. I also wonder if "their hands" is intended to be literal, particularly in the context with hearsay. Consider that the same word for hand is used in 326 attributed to God and do you honestly think that God has hands? (see below)
Red The same people conjecture.326 Say ?Our god, Possessor of kingship; you grant kingship to whom You please, and revoke kingship from whom You please, and honor whom You please, and humiliate whom You please; in Your hand is goodness. You are capable of all things.?
Compare 279
Decree sounds much more accurate and to falsely decree something is the most dangerous of blasphemy, i.e. when you give teachings and then attribute them to God and weak-minded and misled people believe in it.
I am certain that ketaab in all instances basically carry the same meaning, i.e. to decree something in different ways, particularly in commanding or law-giving ways. Another traditional use is as record or record something as in
2282 O you who believe, if you borrow for a future period, then you shall decree it. And let a "decreer"/jurist of justice decree it for you; and let not the jurist refuse to decree as God has taught him. Let him decree and let the person who is borrowing dictate to him, and let him be aware of God, and let him not reduce from it anything. If the one who is borrowing is immature or weak or he cannot dictate himself, then let his guardian dictate with justice; and bring two witnesses from among your men; if there are not two men, then a man and two women from whom you will accept their testimony, so that if one of them becomes blindsided, then the one can remind the other. And let the witnesses not refuse to come if they are called. And do not fail to decree it no matter how small or large until its maturity. That is more just with God and better for the testimony, and better that you do not have doubts; except if it is a trade to be done on the spot between you, then there is no sin upon you if you do not record it. And have evidence if you trade. No jurist shall be harmed nor any witness; for if you do so then it is a wickedness on your part, and be aware of God and God teaches you and God is aware of all things.
353 ?Our Lord, we believe in what You have sent down, and followed the messenger, so decree/order us with those who bear witness.?
3145 It is not permitted for a soul to die except by the permission of God in an appointed decree. And whoever wants the reward of this world We give him of it, and whoever wants the reward of the Hereafter, We give him of it. And We will reward the thankful.
3181 God has heard the words of those who said ?God is poor and we are rich!? We will decree (for) what they have said and (for) their killing of the prophets without right; and We will say ?Taste the retribution of the Fire!?
Purple This is the decree in the context.
Note the following verse is not completely understood as should be. I have personally not the right one but with decree as translation it could be corrected with some work
481 And they say ?Obedience? but when they come out from being with you a group of them prepares for other that what you have said, and God decrees what they planned. So turn away from them and put your trust in God. God is enough for your trust.
638 And there is not a creature on the earth, nor a bird that flies with its wings, except they belong to nations like you belong. We did not leave anything out of the decree; then to their Lord they will be gathered.
659 And with Him are the keys of the unseen, none know them except He. And He knows what is in the land and in the sea; and not a leaf falls except He knows of it; nor a seed in the darkness of the earth; nor anything moist or anything dry; all in a clear decree.
9121 And anything small or large they spend, or any valley they cross, God will decree a recompense for them with the best of what they did.
Green Entirely "remastered" English phrase based on the original Arabic using decree rather than record.
I see little reason why to ever consider ketaab to mean book ever again. And 'decree' fits the context all the time, when you do not manipulate the interpretation to fit things like record. It becomes more fluent and strange interpretations vanish in the occurrences with ketab. Record is a conclusion people have drawn based on their material obsession and is rooted in the understanding of it as book.
Let us continue because I know people will still hesitate
1021 And if We let the people taste a mercy after some hardship had afflicted them, they take to scheming against Our revelations! Say ?God is faster in scheming;? Our missionaries decree what you scheme.
Green Could be that they cannot keep their secrets hidden. Available translation likely lackluster.
1061 And any matter you are in, or any reciting you do of the Qur?an, or any work you do; We are witnesses over you when you undertake it. Nothing is hidden from your Lord, not even the weight of an atom on the earth or in the heavens, nor smaller than that nor larger, except it is clearly decreed,
1062 For the allies of God (that) there is no fear over them nor will they grieve.
1063 Those who have believed and are aware.
1064 For them are glad tidings in the worldly life and in the Hereafter. There is no changing the words of God. Such is the great triumph.Purple I.e. no changing of the decree.
1713 And We have attached to the neck of every man his deeds, and We bring forth for him a decree on the Day of Resurrection which he will find on display.
1714 Read your decree! It is sufficient for you that you are aware of yourself today.Green I.e. his fate or decree for the remainder of his horrible time afterwards.
1758 And there is not a town before the Day of Resurrection that We will not destroy it, or punish it with a severe punishment. This is in the decree.
1979 No, for what he says, We will decree an increase for him of the retribution significantly.
1980 Then We inherit from him all that he said, and he shall come to Us all alone.It is past midnight here and I have no more time to write, but I hope it makes sense to you, if you have appreciated what I wrote and not taken it for mad ramblings.
God bless us all
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Continuation of the research on ketab (in all forms)I will continue to give new light to phrases of the recitation for you to see if you can realign your thoughts that you realize that ketab is not book, not record but decree in all uses of the word. It takes new thinking and pondering upon what the phrases mean with decree as the keyword.
2362 And We do not burden a soul except with what it can bear. And We have a decree that speaks with the truth, they will not be wronged.
Red Why is this word obsessively translated into book everywhere in the recitation but when it becomes complicated it is all of a sudden translated as record. Nay, it means decree in all forms of the word as shown in the previous post, although you need to adapt the word in English into something like "jurist" for a person who works with decrees, where "scribe" is traditionally used .
3511 And God created you from dust, then from a seed, then He made you into pairs. And no female becomes pregnant, nor gives birth, without His knowledge. Nor does anyone have his life extended, or his life is shortened, except in a decree. This is easy for God.
God decrees this thing if a persons life is shortened or extended, i.e. it is in a decree.
3611 You can only warn him who follows the Reminder, and is concerned towards the Almighty while unseen. Give him good news of forgiveness and a generous reward.
3612 It is indeed Us who resurrect the dead, and We decree what they have done and left behind. And everything We have counted in a clear ledger.Red Their deeds and its reward.
4319 And they have claimed the angels who are with the Almighty are females! Have they been made witness to their creation? We will decree their testimony, and they will be asked.
Green Much like "order their testimony" you see, not record.
4380 Or do they think that We do not hear their secrets and their private counsel? Yes indeed; and Our missionaries are with them, decreeing.
4381 Say ?If the Almighty had a son, I would be the first to serve!?
4382 Glory be to the Lord of the heavens and the earth, the Lord of the Throne, from what they describe.4528 And you will see every nation lined-up together. Every nation will be called to its decree. ?Today, you will be recompensed for everything you have done.?
4529 ?This is Our decree; it utters the truth about you. We used to transcribe/copy/record what you used to do.?
4530 As for those who believed and did good works, their Lord will admit them into His mercy. Such is the clear triumph.
4531 As for those who disbelieve ?Were not My revelations recited to you, but you turned arrogant and were a criminal people??Red Uncertain translation. I did not want to put any more thinking power into this, but it sounds pretty absurd. Perhaps record in this case is right for the phrase.
521 By the mount.
522 And an inscribed decree.
523 In parchment published.5722 No misfortune can happen on the earth, or in yourselves, except it is in a decree, before We bring it about. This is easy for God to do.
586 The Day when God resurrects them all, then He informs them of what they had done. God has decreed it, while they have forgotten it. God witnesses all things.
I.e. people have forgotten what the decree was. It does not make sense with the traditional recorded and they forgot. One hardly forgets something like it.
6919 As for the one who is given his decree/(verdict) in his right, he will say ?Here, come and read my decree!?
6920 ?I knew that I was going to be held accountable.?6925 As for him who is given his decree in his left, he will say ?Oh, I wish I never received my decree,?
6926 ?And that I never knew my account,?
6927 ?I wish the end had been final,?
6928 ?My money cannot help me,?7829 And everything We have counted in a decree.
Peace out. Now I am tired of this word actually. Next time I might look into something else.
God bless you
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Kafir - Does it really means to reject or disbelieve?
I went into some serious thinking after philosophizing upon which people The Master will really place in Hell. I begun to think that the Arabic word 'kafir' does not simply mean reject/disbelieve, but it means much more. And more or less all instances with the word is in a negative context where its attributed targets have been doing very bad things, and not simply disbelieving in God. I have not yet found an instance of when God threatens of throwing someone in Hell except while doing some serious mischief.
I was thinking it may mean "corruptor" rather than disbeliever/rejector, but that did not fit all occurrences of the word in "mid-quranic" sections. 'Corrupt with God and His Messenger' it would indicate with my imaginative theory which does sound lame. Yet all known instances of the word 'kafir' has been in instances where its culprits have done bad things and not simply for being ignorant to God's existence and only saying God does not exist.
And I do not believe in the concept of 'belief' but we can have various levels of faith, but there are no disbelievers and only corruptors or the likes. You need to remember that even Satan is a kafir and he sure knows about God. A kafir is not someone that does not think that God is non-existent. Despite my faulty theory of corruptor, disbeliever or rejector does not fit as translation either. Rejector is a better translation, but if we go into real-life scenarios, atheists deny the entire existence of God and then the Arabic word kafir in inaccurate in my opinion. It is not that target that God in an angry-like way threatens to throw straight into Hell, and which atheists openly use as an argument to call God a terrorist etc. The target 'kafir' in the context of the recitation to X (allegedly Muhammad) is for someone who refuses to harmonize with the force in the universe, i.e. what we generally call God, and they spread mischief, just as Satan.
Someone that does not believe has no faith, but can be a good person as we already know, although they are basically living for nothing and are no better than animals in that regard. The question is if God will throw a person living a righteous albeit with a lack of faith in a supernatural entity. A question is whether this person innately has faith despite being ignorant to this fact. And another is if God will throw an ignorant person which still does good into the hellfire. It does rhyme pretty badly with the narration and virtually 50% of the faith is accomplished merely by doing good.
This topic is something very commonly attacked by atheists on adherents to both the sects Islam and Christianity, and God is oftentimes called a tyrant or terrorist. God comes down on a neanderthal level while being the most advanced entity in the universe. I think that they would be less insistent if they knew that God throws who commit atrocities into Hell and not plainly through lack of faith. In ways I can understand why some people despise "religion" because of all the stupidity that is done in the name of god(s) while attributing it to the Master of the Universe who is innocent of what they do, and that the 'kafiroon' that God mentions in the recitation to X (allegedly Muhammad) are these people performing the stupidity in the world, i.e. all those crimes in the name of god, and it they that God angrily say will taste the retribution of Hell.
And many of the problems stem from the interpretation of this word 'kafir' which is misused plentifully by the sectarians and how "Islam" is perceived by the crowd.
And know that Hell is barely talked about in the text collection referred to as the Bible for some reason, but a retribution from God is commonly referred to. This kind of punishment of Hell does primarily seem to be to the real criminals of the world and not the common atheist without faith. And the concept of Hell is many times used to scare people who do not need to be scared to obey to sectarian rules. One example is if one does not do five prayers per day, exactly the sectarian way, they are thrown in Hell.
Indeed religion is a scary invention.
But kafir is not merely disbelieve or reject except while done so by committing crimes causing a disturbance in the harmony (Islam). You cannot say an atheist is a kafir and that deserves to be killed or be unkind against because of their apparent lack of faith. People, such as the people who killed a woman in Pakistan the past few days are kafirs. They corrupt and do evil. One has to fulfill the criteria of working against the system of God to qualify to be a kafir.
I will try to look deeper into the word because it is important to our understanding. Jesus in the (perhaps unreliable) Gospel testimonies written by his followers said that people had a lack of faith and not that they were disbelievers. You lack iman or do not have iman, but there is no disbeliever. The concept of disbeliever invites to transgression. A disbeliever is in that case someone who corrupts and spreads mischief.
Shame I had no more news on this as I thought when I begun studying the phenomenon with a zoom lens.
God bless you
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I went into some serious thinking after philosophizing upon which people The Master will really place in Hell.
Someone that does not believe has no faith, but can be a good person as we already know, although they are basically living for nothing and are no better than animals in that regard. The question is if God will throw a person living a righteous albeit with a lack of faith in a supernatural entity. A question is whether this person innately has faith despite being ignorant to this fact. And another is if God will throw an ignorant person which still does good into the hellfire. It does rhyme pretty badly with the narration and virtually 50% of the faith is accomplished merely by doing good.
This topic is something very commonly attacked by atheists on adherents to both the sects Islam and Christianity, and God is oftentimes called a tyrant or terrorist.
For us, may be very hard to see our loved ones turn away from God. Especially if we perceive them as "good people" or "kind/nice people" by our limited knowledge as human.
I've ever tried many ways in order to make my Christian friend to realize the falsehood of trinity, long time struggle and so many discussions/debates between us.
I was hoping very much that someday he will realize that Jesus is not God. He was a very dear friend, so it's very hard for me to know that he's devout in worshiping Jesus.
After very much struggle in a quite long time and always fail, I finally quit my attempt. I have to trust upon God for his destiny.
God knows what I don't know. I should let God decides what will happen to His own creations.
(635)
If their aversion is hard on you (distress you), then perhaps you could make a tunnel in the Earth, or a ladder to the heavens, in order to bring them bring them a sign. Had God willed, He would have gathered them to the guidance; so do not be of the ignorant ones.(7311)
And leave Me to deal with the deniers who enjoy the blessings of life, and give them time for a while.(7411)
So leave Me alone with the one I have created.Those verses remind me to not interfere in the decision of God.
When I was still in my urge to change my Christian friend, then reading those kind of verses was pretty shook me, but over time I learned to accept God's decision over my friend.
I believe any type of attacks/critics from the atheist cannot change God's decree.
God knows very well what He decided for each of us.
Peace.
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Peace,
Thanks for your words. I am nowadays sure that all it takes is a person who believes in ONE creator entity and who does good to qualify for The Master's kingdom. So summary is that it takes faith and good deeds and it is declared in the recitation that it is enough. God even says that "they say you have to be "X" to be accepted", but anyone who believes and does good will have nothing to fear. They follow the decree because it does not take barely reading it to know what the decree is. The only ones who dispute about it are those who received it while they know. It is a merciful and simple decree not difficult to follow really. People who follow the popular "Christian values" have practically grasped it. It is only that most people do not have faith except while giving God partners.
God bless you
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It is only that most people do not have faith except while giving God partners.
Indeed. That's VERY serious issue.
I believe my Christian friend knows that God is One,
but the problem is he insisted that Jesus = God.
For him, worshiping Jesus is the same as worshiping God. '(
His father is a Pastor.
Peace.
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For us, may be very hard to see our loved ones turn away from God. Especially if we perceive them as "good people" or "kind/nice people" by our limited knowledge as human.
I've ever tried many ways in order to make my Christian friend to realize the falsehood of trinity, long time struggle and so many discussions/debates between us.
I was hoping very much that someday he will realize that Jesus is not God. He was a very dear friend, so it's very hard for me to know that he's devout in worshiping Jesus.
After very much struggle in a quite long time and always fail, I finally quit my attempt. I have to trust upon God for his destiny.
God knows what I don't know. I should let God decides what will happen to His own creations.
(635)
If their aversion is hard on you (distress you), then perhaps you could make a tunnel in the Earth, or a ladder to the heavens, in order to bring them bring them a sign. Had God willed, He would have gathered them to the guidance; so do not be of the ignorant ones.(7311)
And leave Me to deal with the deniers who enjoy the blessings of life, and give them time for a while.(7411)
So leave Me alone with the one I have created.Those verses remind me to not interfere in the decision of God.
When I was still in my urge to change my Christian friend, then reading those kind of verses was pretty shook me, but over time I learned to accept God's decision over my friend.
I believe any type of attacks/critics from the atheist cannot change God's decree.
God knows very well what He decided for each of us.
Peace.
Salaam,
MashaAllah, very well said bravo
May Allah reward you the best and guide us on His path pr
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Kafir - Does it really means to reject or disbelieve?
I went into some serious thinking after philosophizing upon which people The Master will really place in Hell. I begun to think that the Arabic word 'kafir' does not simply mean reject/disbelieve, but it means much more. And more or less all instances with the word is in a negative context where its attributed targets have been doing very bad things, and not simply disbelieving in God. I have not yet found an instance of when God threatens of throwing someone in Hell except while doing some serious mischief.
Salaam,
I understood the word kafir from 234, easy and simple, alhamduliAllah. And disbelieving in Allah is not a kafir as per my understanding.
There are two things shown in 234,
1- Refusal of Allah's command.
2- Pride.These two things made him kafir.
If you notice the derivative of word is used in 3372 as means they refused, but still Allah did not called them kafir as He did for Iblis in 234 because they did not do takabbur .May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam,
MashaAllah, very well said bravo
May Allah reward you the best and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanThank you, brother mmkhan. )
Note Correction for 635
If their aversion is hard on you (distress you), then perhaps you could make a tunnel in the earth, or a ladder to the heavens, in order to bring them a sign. Had God willed, He would have gathered them to the guidance, so do not be of the ignorant ones. (635)
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2- Pride.
Glad you bring this up.
I suppose many people fall into this "pride/proud/takabbur".
I tend to see that the suggestion such as
"You should be proud of yourself" <--- is actually a trap!
I think "being proud" is useless.
If we're able to achieve something, then what we need is thankful to Allah, and not need to proud over it.
Peace.
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Peace mmkhan,
Thank you for your elaboration. It is dangerous with the understanding that faithlessness is being Kaffir when you associate it with the passages of the recitation because they pronounce that they deserve the fiercest of punishments both in this life with the next giving the Kaffir of the Arab religious sects to show hate against anyone they deem not following their ways. The Master s against this sect-making against the previous receivers of the decree and yet Muslims make the same grand mistake by forming a sect and pronouncing themselves as Muslims in their ignorance whole while their behavior does not suit their claim. Islam is to go into balance/harmony with your Master and fight for The Master's cause to stop oppression and injustice, and if things are "in Islam/faithful/harmonious/balanced like in the prayer by Ebrahem (commonly translated secure by the root of iman). It is an honorable mission in an equally honorable decree. Will you say that these "jihadists" do that?
I propagate that the root s - l - m does not mean submit but rather meld with or go into symbiosis by a form of harmony and peace. You greet a believer with salaam just due to this reason. And you do not say to your brother "submit" (you dumb fool). You have another word for submit in Quran-Arabic and that is the one commonly used to refer to prostration(s - j - d). So I think some people on this forum were partially right with peacemaker, but not truly right. More like balance or into harmony-maker.
In symbiosis with the creator = peace and prosperity is the meaning whenever the combination with Arabic word islam is used and with 'Allah'. Submission is another topic. So when you greet someone 'salaam' you technically wish them peace and prosperity (through The Master). Submission accidentally entered into the word by misled clerics who know 'sujud' as prostration while it is the word to submit. But to tell them to humble themselves you use sujud. Historically a prostration is to humble yourself to someone which has caused its deep association with the word.
And may The Master continue to enlighten us.
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I understood the word kafir from 234, easy and simple, alhamduliAllah. And disbelieving in Allah is not a kafir as per my understanding.
There are two things shown in 234,
1- Refusal of Allah's command.
2- Pride.These two things made him kafir.
But, how can we accept/obey Allah's command if we don't believe in Allah?
I mean, if I don't believe in Allah, then I have no reason to accept/obey Allah's commands.
I can't obey someone who I don't even believe that he/she exists.
If I want to accept/obey Allah's commad, then I think first I need to believe in Allah.
Peace.
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Peace,
Did you not read my thread? The obedience to give is to make a balance (in the force) of God and to respect the creation that you live in that you may build faith (iman). God is good and if you meld with God so you shall become and a successful harmonizing means you will belong to God's "kingdom" so to say. "Melding", as I have begun to call salat now, provides you with Nearness and Guidance and you gradually belong more and more to God's domain or deen. There is no sect that is more "right" than the other because its simple rules are practically undeniable and it is only the conjecture that people really argue about. The five salat in traditional "Islam" and how or when to do them, or who was to be the leader after Muhammad which caused the Shia-Sunni wars.
Fundamentally all what is service to God is being a good and faithful follower and upholding a brief list of guidelines which interpretation depends on faith basically and what is in your heart.
An example is that Jesus said The teachings of Moses said that adultery is forbidden, but I say to you that one has commited adultery in their mind already when looking upon another woman with desire.
Jesus gave new light to the decree revealed to Moses in that regard.
I have said it before in this thread, God's system is dead-easy to follow yet so hard for most people because they make it hard. Remember 10 rules basically and you can live well with them in the light of God.
God bless you
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Glad you bring this up.
I suppose many people fall into this "pride/proud/takabbur".
I tend to see that the suggestion such as
"You should be proud of yourself" <--- is actually a trap!
I think "being proud" is useless.
If we're able to achieve something, then what we need is thankful to Allah, and not need to proud over it.
Peace.
Salaam,
I totally agree with you handshake
May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan -
Salaam MoF,
You are welcome bro.
Jihadists? I strongly believe that jihad means to fight/struggle against ourselves in the cause of Allah.
I personally think that the words 'aman' and 'imaan' has different meanings. I know it is from the same root, but the pattern set for both words are different.For example
Falak = Where something floating in space.
Fulk = Something which floats on water.Because of its root, both words has floating in it.
Malik = King from humans.
Malak = King from Jinns.Same way it goes for imaan and aman.
Imaan = Believe in something.
Aman = Security which you get on believing.I might be wrong on this imaan and aman, if so, may Allah forgive me and guide to the correct understanding.
And yes I agree with you on salaam and islam.You can take look at my understanding of Sajda.
May Allah bless you pr
mmKhan -
But, how can we accept/obey Allah's command if we don't believe in Allah?
I mean, if I don't believe in Allah, then I have no reason to accept/obey Allah's commands.
I can't obey someone who I don't even believe that he/she exists.
If I want to accept/obey Allah's commad, then I think first I need to believe in Allah.Peace.
Salaam,
Correct!
That is what people has to understand.
The one who does not believe in Allah cannot be a kafir. That is why I mentioned in my reply#255 as
And disbelieving in Allah is not a kafir as per my understandingOnly a believer can be a kafir not otherwise.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Peace,
It is just some small details not worth about arguing over, but I have found that words using the same root have nearly the same descriptive meaning and do not drift away from each other. Affixes, if you know this grammatical word, shape the words from the root to slightly change its meaning but never entirely and I have found that they keep their fundamental meaning. Any cases not true the interpretation of the recitation has been faulty and the words instead had the same meaning.
I suppose people have not accepted my discovery about ketaab yet, but I urge people to at least investigate for themselves as they may find out that I was right. In that case all affixes circulate around the root word that fundamentally means decree. Its correct meaning even occurs a few times in the monotheist translation whereas in other parts its meaning is following the traditional distorted meaning as book.
A riddle to break was its use in the alleged letter to the queen of Sheba, but in fact it is a decree (an order) that Solomon sends to the queen. And the scribe when you issue a loan is more of a jurist and the papers are a decree on the terms to pay back.
We follow the trap of the traditionalists if we do not challenge the problematic interpretations of the meantime between the revelation and now. So many ignorant people have tried to study it and also added their own conjecture without using their brains.
God bless y
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Peace,
Hypocrites are kufr
Those who sell Allah's words for a price/politics/position are kufr
Those who hide the truth of revelation are kufr
Those who stubbornly refuse to believe despite the evidence are kufr
Those who refuse to believe i.e., deniers after hearing.
How about mockers
A person can be kufr due to avoidance choosing not to know
A person that knows but is heedless/criminal
People that dislike portions of the Quran
Making halal haram and vice versa
Too arrogant to accept the word of God
Please feel free to comment on my two cents
God bless
peace
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Peace,
Thanks hawk99, but I had no trouble with which people are kufr. The issue is what the word means literally from Arabic to English. Reject is not accurate in my opinion as the kufr do more than merely reject. They corrupt and that was my first thought as I plowed through the recitation, but it does not suit the text grammatically. An atheist is not kufr merely for lacking faith but it takes a crime against the decree to be classified as kufr. You have to do something others suffer from to be a kufr.
The word is traditionally always associated with disbeliever and that is a danger because it invites to unfriendly behavior towards these people who lack faith but mostly do good as humans. The unfriendly behavior is against kufr in all instances to be harsh against them and that does not include your peaceful atheist friend of even Christian ignorant idolators.
The ones that are unfriendly when someone asks for harmony and peace are kufr in return (see islamists that consider faithless people unclean/unworthy of any respect). You can have more or less faith and even lack faith but there is no disbelief in God's creed. That is a misconception. Only word traditionally used is kufr and it always refers to someone who spreads mischief rather than disbelieve.
God bless you
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Peace,
Thanks hawk99, but I had no trouble with which people are kufr. The issue is what the word means literally from Arabic to English. Reject is not accurate in my opinion as the kufr do more than merely reject. They corrupt and that was my first thought as I plowed through the recitation, but it does not suit the text grammatically. An atheist is not kufr merely for lacking faith but it takes a crime against the decree to be classified as kufr. You have to do something others suffer from to be a kufr.
The word is traditionally always associated with disbeliever and that is a danger because it invites to unfriendly behavior towards these people who lack faith but mostly do good as humans. The unfriendly behavior is against kufr in all instances to be harsh against them and that does not include your peaceful atheist friend of even Christian ignorant idolators.
The ones that are unfriendly when someone asks for harmony and peace are kufr in return (see islamists that consider faithless people unclean/unworthy of any respect). You can have more or less faith and even lack faith but there is no disbelief in God's creed. That is a misconception. Only word traditionally used is kufr and it always refers to someone who spreads mischief rather than disbelieve.God bless you
Peace Man or Faith,
If a person denies out of their mouth and their heart 16/83 I would call this a personal decision and not someone
who spreads mischief but selfish/arrogant denial.I understand the repulsion of words that are misused or misunderstood, but misunderstanding and misuse can
be signs of ignorance and unfortunately we people operate with our understanding at that particular moment.
The unfriendly behavior towards folks that are deemed kufr is one such misunderstanding.God bless
peace