Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom = Peace and Prosperity
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Peace,
The passage makes sense to the gist of it. I may have been confusing the words because I was a bit tired while working and a lot of text. It talks about teaching about God where hostilities may try the messenger and have him trapped. And the messenger was suggested to be protected while informing about God. Besides was it all you could get hooked up on and not checking other passages?
"If you are with them communing then let respectful among them keep their weapons ready and be behind you and then let the group that not has been communed to come and commune with you and let them be wary and weapons ready if the opponents should try to fool you."
Here you have a loosely paraphrased version of the passage from last night.
As you could understand if you were honest you could see that all related passages do not speak of prayer whatsoever.
Have faith
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Peace,
After brief thinking here I realized the understanding of the word sajda is important here. I infer that sajda is more than only respectful but inclines on dedicated because these people who are dedicated and respectful can protect the messenger while preaching.
Have faith
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The verse numbering throughout the recitation (Qur'an) is trap against the right comprehension of the scripture. I am very ascertained that it was not part of the original composition. It deliberately separates the passages so that they simply glide aside from each other losing focus on the context.
Trap? Are you sure, brother?
Wouldn't it be easier for us to learn verse by verse gradually?
If there's no verse numbering, then it will be a very long sentence, isn't?
Salm.
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Be patient and keep together is basically what the passages say.
Bold I like this concept, actually.
I can understand why this is very important.
Yes, this is simple, easy to understand, but it seems very rarely done by us.
If only this can be implemented globally by all people who believe in God.
Salm.
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After brief thinking here I realized the understanding of the word sajda is important here. I infer that sajda is more than only respectful but inclines on dedicated because these people who are dedicated and respectful can protect the messenger while preaching.
Maybe the messenger also need to practice martial art, also practice to be skillful in using some weapons, in case (for example) if he still does not have many followers.
Salm.
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Dear Man of Faith,
Salam alaykum.
I have to say that I strongly, yet respectfully, disagree with your conclusion concerning 'salat'. I am sure you will agree that a believer's beliefs must filter through his actions. Therefore, do share with us about how you establish your communion with others in your daily life.
Regards.
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Peace Scribbler,
Perhaps another time then.
The unity, keeping to the teachings of God is what is communion, the truth. The alternative is dividing into sects. Holding tight to the command of God is what is to keep communion.
I am yet not 100% satisfied with the translation into communion, but the idea struck me while discovering about communion in a year 1828 issue of Webster's dictionary because it yet fits by definition. Verily it is translating into a foreign language very different so it is perhaps not that easy to find the perfect match just as the fact that 'salaam' is also difficult to accurately translate. In my view; communion is several times a better translation than "contact prayer" which is ridiculous as a comprehension of the context. It is the "keep-together" that is supposed to be kept alive instead of losing the communion and dividing into sects, but the Arabic cannot be directly translated but you have to paraphrase.
Have faith
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Peace Man Of Faith.
With all due respect
I am not waiting for you to translate "Salat" for me. I was just highlighting a contradiction.
I am certain that "salat" is a connection to the creator and it includes prayer.
You will probably find some difficulty translating " salat Al- Isha" and "salat AL-Fajr"?GOD taught Abraham how to observe " salat" and the practice was passed on from generation to generation.
GOD also sends messengers "with proof" when any part of the deen gets corrupted.
We now have the uncorrupted version of the "salat" from the latest messenger. As simple as that. No complications or communion needed.GOD bless you.
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Peace,
There is no contradiction and that is why it is such a scandal. Al-fajr and al-isha does not have to imply contradiction, but it is still a work in progress to decipher it better for a more clear literal quality.
And even if it implies on communion in the morning and evening it is no contradiction because a cleric has a job too.
And in 11114 prayer timing is just an erroneous interpretation based on a mistake of a word. Check my recent post about salat.
Abraham was taught communion of God and not a prayer.
And if you wish to believe in praying birds or dogmatic religion where people are forced to observe contact prayer then do so as long as you do not live out on them because then I will fight you.
Have faith
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And if you wish to believe in praying birds
As-salam alaykum, brother.
Why is it hard for you to believe that birds can pray to God?
Gods tells us clearly in 1744 that humans have not been given the capacity to understand the methods of glorification of His other creatures.
1744
The seven heavens and the earth, and all beings therein, declare His glory there is not a thing but celebrates His praise; And yet ye understand not how they declare His glory! Verily He is Oft-Forbear, Most Forgiving!Those who believe salat to mean prayer never deny that it is also a form of glorification of God. Therefore, according to 1744, if birds can glorify God, I see no reason to deny that they can also pray to God, but of course we have not been given the capacity to understand it.
Regards.
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Peace Scribbler,
It is indeed difficult to see a purpose for a bird to pray. Glorify is another thing, but that is not praying. And birds do not have any reason to pray because they live according to a communion without any consciousness like us with decisions and choices, i.e. they are driven entirely by instincts.
I absolutely see no connection between glorifying God in the morning and evening and ritualistic contact praying.
Besides I have never said that there are no prayers, only that salat is not the correct word. It does not connote on that and fits poorly in the context too. It was just someone who wished to interpret it that way. And I do not think that there are any slavishly timed prayers throughout the day either but these are circumstantial depending on need and moodset. Honoring God can easily be done be upholding the decree and communion through righteous deeds.
Without any intention of disrespect towards your faith, but I think everyone has been fooled and the faith looks mostly like Christianity without the Jesus obsession. The Christians do most of the communion right except excessive glorification and praise to Jesus instead of God (and a bit of conjecture about the details just like Islam).
And "Islam" is very dogmatic with salat meaning contact prayer because people are to be forced to observe it according to passages.
But because salat means unity (communion) of the rightful decree and judgment it means the people are just to stop their atrocities and adhere to the harmonious ways of God. It is to stick together as a unit with salat and not divide into sects.
Have faith I will further my analysis of the related passages.
Have faith
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Peace Man Of Faith.
So people are forced to observe "salat" if it means contact prayer, but not forced if it means "unity/communion"?
Think brother, you are not making sense!
If God instructs something, people are free to do it or not!!!
Those who force people to do anything are not following Qoran anyway, regardless of what "salat" means.
I am sorry brother, you are not making sense with your explanations? Is anyone clear how to observe salat according to you?
I do not think you are clear yourself?
GOD bless you.
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Peace,
I am thinking about what I am saying. You know the communion of God everyone adheres to that is not dividing into sects and invent dogmatic and zealous rules like has been done with salat in your case.
To sectarian muslims one does not belong to their sect unless they perform this ritual and other ones. According to them I would not keep communion because I follow this way of not performing this ritual and according to them I divide myself into a sect despite the fact I follow the communion issued by God. I am not certain that you have a clue about what I am saying?
When a person stops following the decree and judgment and restrictions set by God then they will lose communion. I say that one has then broken into a sect. Inventing rules to the command of God is a way of losing communion and failure for purification.
My argument is that salat does not mean contact prayer whatsoever and that I stand by.
And in the narration there is a 'compulsory' comment on keeping salat or be fought. The explanation is quite easy actually. It is by not inventing any rules besides what God has commanded and particularly unrighteous ones and also the opponents of God in the context were dogmatic and zealous about their sectarian ways. God tells them to return to communion instead of acting out in unrighteousness.
Besides, do you think God will hear you because of your many words?
I just sense that the ritual traditional Muslims perform is just a remnant from Paganism. Mumbling long phrases and performing coded movements are very authentic to Pagan ritualism.
So is walking and using an idol to get closer to God. The cubic building in Mecca is a giant idol of the same kind as in Paganism.
And like I say; I do not have faith that birds pray. They follow a communion in formation and glorify God in their way. God programmed their behavior and they just act according to it without any division.
Same for us; we should keep the communion set by God and not question it and start inventing rules never authorized by God and thus perverted what God has said. Salat = contact prayer is just that, not keeping communion, ironically.
Have faith
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Peace Man Of Faith.
Brother ,you are free to follow /invent what you want.
Good luck to you.
GOD bless you.
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Peace,
Follow yes; invent no. But you are free to follow millennia long conjecture yourself.
Prove what I have invented that was not part of faith or what I have omitted from the decreed matter? A ritualistic prayer of Pagans and the treatment of a house as idol?
Have faith
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Peace Man Of Faith.
Please take this constructive conversation as an honest way of giving you another point you are missing.
The salat instituted by God is in fact a great gift from Him. It constitute the nourishment required for the growth and development of our Souls. Without such nourishment, we cannot survive the immense energy associated with God's physical presence on the Day of Judgment. Belief in God does not by itself guarantee our redemption; we must also nourish our souls (6158, 1090-92). Additionally, 1599 states that observing the duties instituted by God is our means of attaining certainty
With respect and friendship I am trying to convey this. Of course you are entitled to ignore it
Also I will leave you to continue your thread without any interruption from me.
GOD bless you.
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Peace,
The salat instituted by God is in fact a great gift from Him. It constitute the nourishment required for the growth and development of our Souls. Without such nourishment, we cannot survive the immense energy associated with God's physical presence on the Day of Judgment. Belief in God does not by itself guarantee our redemption; we must also nourish our souls (6158, 1090-92). Additionally, 1599 states that observing the duties instituted by God is our means of attaining certainty
This understanding is correct, but it is just a problem that it is not salat that is it.
Salat is not a ritual as I have said before, it is a phenomenon that is a result of keeping to the decree of God and seeking God's Nearness and Guidance. But if you wish to have faith that God will listen to you because of many words and ritualistic movement in a Pagan-style prayer then feel free to continue, or travel to Mecca to treat a cubic building as an idol. If you saw clearly you would realize it is all an illusion and a Pagan behavior.
1598 So glorify the praise of your Master, and be of those who are dedicated.
1599 And serve your Master until certainty comes to you.It does not say to follow any rituals, but serve is by acting out according to the decree and judgment of God.
I will continue on the topic of salat from last night, God willing.
Have faith
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Peace Man Of Faith.
Please take this constructive conversation as an honest way of giving you another point you are missing.
The salat instituted by God is in fact a great gift from Him. It constitute the nourishment required for the growth and development of our Souls. Without such nourishment, we cannot survive the immense energy associated with God's physical presence on the Day of Judgment. Belief in God does not by itself guarantee our redemption; we must also nourish our souls (6158, 1090-92). Additionally, 1599 states that observing the duties instituted by God is our means of attaining certainty
With respect and friendship I am trying to convey this. Of course you are entitled to ignore it
Also I will leave you to continue your thread without any interruption from me.
GOD bless you.
Peace.I totally agree with this, specially as it is confirmed also by the Messenger of the Covenant, Dr. R. Khalifa, PhD.
Peace
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Peace,
But believe in whatever you like then.