Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom = Peace and Prosperity
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Our souls (which are energy) were inserted into our mortal bodies here on Earth.
Peace Man of Faith,
Where is the evidence that our souls are energy?
Peace 357, drfazl, Man of Faith, and the rest of the family
57/22 is one of the most debated ayats I have ever encountered. There have been
some lengthy discussions about predestination. If we are going to debate this amazing
subject, let us first decide which ayat/ayats we will read, that will hopefully shorten the debate.
My choice as a starting point is 18/60-82. If any one has another ayat or ayats concerning
al-Qadr please feel free to contribute (65/11, 10/19, 42/14) are examples.I will start the discussion
Time as we know it does not exist for God. yes/no
The articles of faith
Amantu billahi wa malaikatihi wa kutubihi wa rusulihi wal-yawmil-akhiri wa bil-qadari khayrihi wa sharrihi minallahi taala wal-ba?thu ba?dal-mawti haqqun
Amantu billahi I believed in the existence and oneness of Allah, that He has no partners or counterparts, that He has all kinds of loftiness and that He is free of all kinds of deficiency.
Wa malaikatihi I also believed in the angels of Allah.
Wa kutubihi I also believed in the books of Allah.
Wa rusulihi I also believed in the prophets of Allah.
Wal-yawmil-akhiri I also believed in the Day of Judgment.
Wa bil-qadari khayrihi wa sharrihi minallahi taala I also believed in the destiny, that everything that seems as good or evil to us take place through the knowledge, law and creation of Allah.
Wal-ba?thu ba?dal-mawti haqqun I also heartily believed in life after death (and resurrection). All of them are true and right.peace
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Peace hawk99,
The fact that the souls are not destroyed at death means they must be some sort of energy not permanently attached to the physical bodies we have during our stay on Earth. These seem to be contained by God in whatever way is beyond my comprehension.
Anyway, when the physical body dies here on Earth the soul matter is contained somewhere. It is not destroyed why it must be an energy, like people tend to talk about spirits. But I say spiritual energy. We are then brought back to God as He tells us in Quran, but the soul needs to be contained somehow. If you talk about my game allegorical ideas it would mean the data (energy) is backed up and saved in the memory.
It is not all that important, but if the souls were not a separate entity we would vanish at the moment of death, no more consciousness.
Well, the thread is not really about the thing you bring up for discussion. Anyway, for me it is clear that we can affect our path and choices in life make a difference or the Quran would feel very strange in its meaning. The meaning of God's trial and reason why we even are here would be redundant if we were not able to have free will or everything was already decided. It is basic logic in my opinion.
God bless you
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Peace hawk99,
The fact that the souls are not destroyed at death means they must be some sort of energy not permanently attached to the physical bodies we have during our stay on Earth. These seem to be contained by God in whatever way is beyond my comprehension.
Anyway, when the physical body dies here on Earth the soul matter is contained somewhere. It is not destroyed why it must be an energy, like people tend to talk about spirits. But I say spiritual energy. We are then brought back to God as He tells us in Quran, but the soul needs to be contained somehow. If you talk about my game allegorical ideas it would mean the data (energy) is backed up and saved in the memory.
It is not all that important, but if the souls were not a separate entity we would vanish at the moment of death, no more consciousness.
Well, the thread is not really about the thing you bring up for discussion. Anyway, for me it is clear that we can affect our path and choices in life make a difference or the Quran would feel very strange in its meaning. The meaning of God's trial and reason why we even are here would be redundant if we were not able to have free will or everything was already decided. It is basic logic in my opinion.
God bless you
Peace Man of Faith,
Thank you for your reply, please ignore my previous post.
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Peace hawk99,
You are welcome brother. Do not worry about it. Religion is a very abstract and mind-intense topic (even if it should not be) and it is easy to fall unto conjecture. One has to seek refuge in God before attempting.
I am sometimes philosophizing on things I do not know for certain, but then I try to make it clear.
Also I try to honestly say it is beyond my comprehension why things are like they are in some cases.
But the topic I bring up in this thread, the main topic, is based on my understanding of Quran and is no guesswork. It might be heavy paraphrasing, but it was my aid to explain step A to B on the religious ladder, or chain in my story.
Of course Quran is truly enough, but it can always be interesting to view things in different ways as long as they follow the Truth. Mine is more like an illustration or more "baby level" of the religious path. Ah well, the human is the most argumentative type, they need much convincing. I cannot let go of that heifer memory when I speak to you
"How much Nearness? When will Guidance come? What should I do with my Knowledge? Why will I gain a peace of mind first at the end?"
God bless you
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Nearness and Guidance -> Knowledge and Wisdom = Peace and Prosperity
Post 3 ? Nearness and Guidance part 2
Peace be unto you,
Let us continue to elaborate on this thing called Nearness.
The most important thing to begin with on the path to become a Believer and not ?just? a muslim is to search for God?s Nearness. This is the most fundamental parameter in the acts of worship of God. Unless we try to get closer to God, He will not give us Guidance. The Nearness can be achieved not mainly through prayers but especially by heeding God and serving Him, the Unseen, through peacemaking (islamic) deeds.
As I have mentioned in past posts in other threads, we can summarize that the main goal in islam is to reach an inner Peace, and that meaning a peace with both yourself and your surroundings. Now in this thread I am finally trying to explain what I actually mean through this entire chain. We need to move from A to B, that is truly what we need to do, by picking up things along the way, which are things like Guidance, Knowledge and Wisdom. A is when beginning to obtain Nearness and B once we reach the Peace. And when the whole chain is complete, although the links can always grow stronger, we can finally call ourselves Believers (or Mo?meen).
But to return to the step by step explanation; only by performing righteous, peaceful deeds and by showing a moral character can we get God?s attention and He will start to become our ally, sometimes instead of Shaytaan who has often been misleading us through our lives without perceiving. We are not invulnerable from the deceptions of Shaytaan when we get closer to God, but God will provide protection, especially if we ask for it which we should. This whole first part is what I consider the Nearness.
Let us move over to Guidance.Guidance could be regarded as relatively closely connected to Nearness, but I consider it separate. However, I added it together with Nearness because they go hand in hand more or less. You will notice the connection quite colorfully soon as I continue to explain. Anyway, once Nearness ?points? have started to accumulate and there is a sense of Nearness, God will begin to grant us Guidance. Guidance is in the form of inspiration which influence our ability to make righteous decisions in life positively.
We can see it metaphorically as if God is lighting our Path ahead of us. Remember the poem I added in my previous post. It describes this idea pretty well. The stronger the Guidance becomes, which can never get maximized, the clearer the Path is in front of you. As the poem tells; it is not always easy to appreciate how much God is helping us until we ponder about it, and we will not continue on the chain towards Peace as long as we do not do so.
Once the Guidance parameter has grown very strong, the inspiration gained will also feel very real. God will show Himself through signs to you; more potent the strength of Guidance. I have no doubt if the level gets strong enough that God could literally speak through you. And an intelligent blessed man or woman can identify a guided Believer through how much this person ?shines?. Thus the person is practically infused with the Holy Spirit, which is also known as the spirit of God.
God is not speaking with us (directly) except under very special circumstances, but if He was it would feel like a very strong penetrating light (you can understand this by reading God?s own description of Him in a part of Quran when he talks about himself as a lamp). Either way, this is not what is meant with this talk about the Holy Spirit. God may contact us through an angel and then the angel is disguised as a man, according to what the Quran tells us. But in most cases and for most humans, God will never show such strong signs as sending an angel. They are only in special cases if the human is part of a plot which God has arranged or He has any particular interest in this person and God consider him/her very exceptional. The Believer should never expect God to show up or anything, and even if God shows something spectacularly strong at one occasion it can take months or years until you see something like that again. A year is nothing for God, and a Believer should also realize the life is very short and will soon be called back to his/her Creator. We should not become ?praise-junkies? and think God will reward our reverence every other day by showing a sign.
Now we more than covered everything which had to do with Guidance, or rather we did not even cover the half of it, but detailed information may come after I finish going through all the parts of the Believer chain. While the Guidance is growing strong, we will start to move over to the next part of the chain called Knowledge and Wisdom, and it is a very rewarding part of the whole Peacemaking work. It is connected to Guidance, but not as closely as between Nearness and Guidance. The sense of reward from God will be quite immense and I will be really happy if many of you who may be reading these posts will also feel this once we ascend on God?s ladder.
You can say this is the religion of islam; this is what islam is and it is nothing like sectarian ?Muslims? consider it to be. God is not a grumpy old man with beard who seems to be wearing military uniform and yelling ?do 4 rakah, not 3 rakah?, ?you have to use three stones to wipe your ass?, ?eat only with your right hand?, ?use my prayers to say salam to Muhammad (where did this come from anyway?)?, ?this is haraam, that is haraam, music is haraam, pictures on the wall is haraam? bla bla?, ?You should sit it your mosques commemorating all your heroes because they are most honorable, they were really worth praising (why?)?.
No, this last part in the above paragraph is not islam. It was a sarcastic remark on the ones who are the enemies of God. They blaspheme in God?s name and invent a lot of strange restrictions and rules which God never authorized, and they mock and ridicule God in many ways too. If there would come a Messenger now, many of today?s ?Muslims? would be the new enemies of God?s Messenger without perceiving it themselves. History would just repeat itself, the pagans of Muhammad?s time would be the pagans of our time, ie the ones who once worshiped the statues would fight for their idol Muhammad and his family instead.
The last paragraphs were a bit off-topic, but why not some God propaganda as well? Let there be Light and there was Light.
Next time, God willing, I will move over to ?Knowledge and Wisdom? unless I do not find a reason to add something to Nearness and Guidance.
?May the Force (of God) be with you?; Or if you want to hear my regular phrase ?God bless you?
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Once the Guidance parameter has grown very strong, the inspiration gained will also feel very real. God will show Himself through signs to you; more potent the strength of Guidance. I have no doubt if the level gets strong enough that God could literally speak through you. And an intelligent blessed man or woman can identify a guided Believer through how much this person ?shines?. Thus the person is practically infused with the Holy Spirit, which is also known as the spirit of God.
Peace Man of Faith,
Thank you for your post. It rings true on many things I believe and understand about the Quran. I've really enjoyed reading it and I especially like that part, it's a beautiful way to put the nature of a guided Believer. I appreciate the effort that must go into this.
May Allah swt reward you for your efforts
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Thankyou, I will wait for the next part peace
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Peace supportpeacenotwar,
You are welcome. We should praise God for all our righteous inspiration. It took me about 2.5h of my night to write it, but I gladly do for God. The Quran is easy and should be enough for people, but it is always nice to see a linear perspective of it. If I gather any information outside the boundaries of Quran I will state that, rest assured. I may present information which is not directly from Quran, as long as it is following the guidelines of it and does not invent any weird rituals or restrictions for which I have no authority. (Jokingly), if it would be a scripture, rest assured I would write 'Bismillah Al-Rahmani Al-Raheem', but only God's authentic scriptures carry this stamp -)
Anyway, if God revealed yet another revelation, it would not change much from the Quran and may only be modern language but yet in the same unimitable composition which the Quran was revealed. The Message would remain the same, guidelines the same and the same goal to reach 'islam'. Of course, the new scripture would probably have a new worried Messenger feeling grief over the disbelief of people around him and the Muhammadans would stick to their idol.
Peace drfazl,
Sadly it is true, in case a Messenger of God would come today many so-called Muslims would literally attack this person if they had a chance and would cause much misery because they would reject him. As always happens, and as we can read in Quran, the history repeats itself despite the clear signs of the Lord. They interpret a verse in Quran as Muhammad was the last Messenger and Prophet, but even the interpretation of the Old Testament of the Bible tells there was a Messenger of God which was the last and may have caused the Jews to reject Jesus.
I cannot foresee the future, except by God's leave, but I certainly feel it is about time to teach another generation a lesson and show how many were the people who went astray again after God's last Messenger, Muhammad, who allegedly came about 600 years after Jesus.
Note The above paragraphs about future Messenger was talking hypothetically. I do not know any arrival of a Messenger nor do I know God's plans. Only time will tell. But who would deny the theory that a new Messenger would not be right on spot? So much falsehood would be exposed once again.
God bless you both
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Salaam,
I will be writing on this thread in about a month or two, God willing. I know I have left it hanging. I finished Nearness and Guidance but never got to Knowledge and Wisdom. I lacked inspiration at the time and that was why I stopped. And the upcoming topics are more advanced in their nature. It was a deliberate move. I wanted the posts to be of good quality.
God bless you
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Peace!
One of those threads that really made me think... if anything is clear, it's that The God is clearly watching this forum and guiding the entire work.
Fundamentally The God's plan is to take care of the believers every which way. The right minds are brought here, and there, to deliver words and so on. It seems there is a storm of reformation already occuring, it is a matter nowadays less so of introducing genuine quranic sense (although many such introductions will need to take place) and more so of helping others to connect the dots. The dusty creaky house of misconception of 'IslamJihadAllahMuhammadPBUH' is being replaced by a shiney smooth polished and serene Palace of well, peace!
It's already quite clear that the children of the next generation are going to be growing up quickly knowing of their true nature as Divine citizens. They have been hurt severely by the last few generations and a lot of them are growing up directly wounded by the evils of the past idiots and consequently realising clearly so that peace is the way, submission to the creator. But also there is now the creation of a hypocrite who is also in that kind of path for show and glamour. Incredible isn't it! It shows one thing that this life is simply completely irrelevant.
At the end of it, no matter what you really do, history repeats itself. And human nature, we all know human nature, if we do not laugh at it we WILL be crying! It seems it is the design of The God and for the express purpose of the probation of the entire human race that it is this way.
That is to say that The God trials humans in every season. We have four generations
Spring Growing from immense suffering, this generation works very hard to create the New World
Summer The offspring of the prior generation grows up and continues the hard work, appreciating and witnessing the prior generation's hard work
Autumn This generation is born into the basking radiance of Summer and knows nothing of the hard work or struggle of either generation before except a faint mention; the first generation where ingratitude overtakes gratitude
Winter Nothing is known of hard work and the parents are idiots, and ingratitude reins and The God sends down pestilence!
Repeat!Really there is no saving the world nor healing ultimately anyone but your self. If you heal yourself, you will be in a state of radiant bliss and everyone who sees you will wonder, "hey, what does this person do?" and automatically you will be a messenger of good news. But there is no point trying to save the world The God is taking total care of the Earth itself as always, even as it seems like this is the worst it gets. As we know, man might be wiped clean off the Earth but Earth itself will tick tock away like it ain't a thing, so fret not. Our place is simply to heal ourselves individually, prove to the world at large that even in this incredible disease world, we are Healing and Healable, and to preserve the greenness of the Earth. Through these actions, peace will intrinsically establish itself. We do not need to champion any ideal like "quran only", such things only continue to transmit the vibration of separation and disinterest and hatred. True Peace is characterised by words and feelings that none but the hellworthy reject and as regards such people the entire population of Earth together including the others, will hate them anyway - incredible, isn't it? Such is the Way of The God!
I am stuck at a very bizarre point myself and I was wondering if anyone had an idea. My mind is going around in loops and my days are relatively empty. I have already found the way to total inner fulfillment and also something deeper and grander beckons total activation of the human body. If you guys understand the chakra system, basically we are capable of being straight up superhuman beings. Actually what the "normal" people would consider "superhuman" is actually just human, truly human. When the crown chakra is fully open and transmitting and receiving Divine Light, you get a kind of fluidity manifest in your day to day living that is quite, radiant, shall we say. Miracles become commonplace and there is something far deeper at work. Telepathy, psychokinesis, all manner of things. I shall add to this in time but suffice to say it did not take the body 15 billion years to be shaped and formed for it to end up being really good at eating, shitting, walking around, talking, watching TV and nothing else. Let's put it that way!
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Salaam IAMOP,
Thanks for the positive criticism.
I wanted to (partially) answer your question you asked in the end. When you have Nearness and Guidance as well as possibly Wisdom and Knowledge, you will feel almost "superhuman". I feel this way sometimes as it is right now, although I know it is not due to my superiority but rather God. Not to use an understatement, but God has come to be my provider and I am pretty relaxed due to this fact. There are often a lot of "coincidental" occurrences happening to my advantage and so on which I trust is God being my invisible guardian.
Since I decided to "walk along the beach with the Lord" I have had developed tremendously. From a poor salesperson with a low salary to tens of thousands of dollars. And my personal development is immense. Sorry, I did not intend to brag just give a hint to what God can do for you if you are His friend. I did not achieve this on my own.
I was really a loser who drank and used recreational drugs and ran havoc in the city at night, but I turned to God and put my trust in Him. Despite my craziness I gave to charity sometimes and had the heart in the right place even I had Jesse James or John Wayne as idols with a bottle of whiskey in my hand and a cigarette in the other. Once I picked my choice of betterment I have seen just a straight path. I cannot even socialize with my old friends; they are not sharing my view of life anymore, as they are still stuck in the past.
But I did not obtain all this success, it was God who did it thanks to my transformation. I even wanted to share my experience with people here that someone else might walk the same path. Some of what I say I barely know myself where I got it from.
Was this the kind of superhuman you meant?
I feel superhuman when there are paranormal activity in my life, which in fact is just God and fully normal, and things happen conspicuously in my favor. I have not yet been able to use the Force or perform telepathy, but been exposed to some other less obvious miracles. Remember God cannot be too obvious or other observers get an unfair advantage when they do not deserve it. But I wish you could see my change from five years ago and today. And I am not arrogant.
If you want to truly develop into a superhuman then meditate and try to nurture you soul and mind. Have Salat to God, frequently. Perform good deeds. Be friendly. Ponder upon creation.
And to those of you on this forum who have read about my hardships may know that if it had not been for God I could not have lived through them. My troublesome wife has not even broken me down despite being afflicted by Shaytaan. I did not even leave her amidst all chaos and I feel that is superhuman itself (or stupid depending on how you see it). She is still not free from the shackles of Shaytaan, but she is making progress. She may be one of my life tests. Some say I am arrogant to claim this about someone, but if you were there you would understand. Despite the hardships I did not abandon my faith in God, even when trembling in my bed for weeks due to an injection by a crazy doctor and was twisting in pain. I have learned so much about what the human being is capable of when you put your faith in God.
People twist the Message when they divert the focus on Messengers not responsible for anything but delivering a message. I am not to be thanked for anything I may have been able to change in any of us; all is due to inspiration. God inspires blessed souls around us. Several people may be blessed on this forum. God guides in real time and He does not even need His Quran; it is there to be a sign, proof of His existence and as a light guide. It is a curse to those with a disease in their hearts. It helps to remember the ayats of Quran, but it can only help to a certain point. Most important is you as an individual and your own behavior and deeds.
God bless you
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Salaam everyone,
I think that the reason I have not continued on this thread yet if because I was not ready. I am beginning to feel enough inspiration to proceed soon. It coincides with the heavy research I am into with the Old Testament and New Testament. I am having a critical approach, but I am beginning to convince myself that I may be right. In fact I did not do much but God suddenly made it clear to me.
It is clear that the Wisdom and Knowledge granted by God is a specific blessing and as you know it is due to Nearness and Guidance if you have studied this thread.
If it now comes forth as true this crazy theory that the story of the Bible takes place in Fars, then it might give you a clue of what blessed Wisdom and Knowledge means. I do not claim to be better or boasting, it is just for demonstrative purposes.
Wisdom and Knowledge is to make the right choices and know the right things. But what is really right? This is why the second part of my thread is so hard to proceed with.
Anyway, few people actually get to this stage and if they do then even fewer get a big share of it. As you know the majority of people do not believe, they just delude themselves that they do and they show it through their behavior. But if you gain Wisdom and Knowledge, you will surely get Peace and Prosperity, because you are already a winner. Peace is the ultimate goal of Islam and I may have wanted to separate Prosperity from the third category and put it together with Wisdom and Knowledge, but at a second thought it is indeed coming together with Peace, and Prosperity is not necessarily about physical wealth. Peace and Prosperity is about feeling calm and that you have everything you need, the same feeling as you will have in Paradise. This is what Quran says that the people in Paradise will say "This is what we had before". But more about this in the next stage of the thread "Peace and Prosperity".
It is hard to describe this phenomenon Wisdom and Knowledge as it is very subjective. It occurs when you have Nearness to God and receive (active) Guidance from Him. If you honestly become mindful of God and work to purify yourself this will come to you for sure. Pure belief is not enough as I think I wrote earlier in this thread but you also have to become a good person before you will see results and proceed on to the next stage, the stage I am talking about now. You might even end up being able to say the classical quranic phrase "I know from God what you do not know".
But you who feel that God's interactions stopped 1400 years ago are surely mistaken I am afraid. In fact something new is going on. We need to purify ourselves and be mindful of God and keep our minds open and see what the future has in store for us. But do not say "My mind is made up!"
God bless you
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Pure belief is not enough as I think I wrote earlier in this thread but you also have to become a good person before you will see results and proceed on to the next stage...
Yes, in other words, we need to evolve, develop and redeem ourselves by TAKING ACTION here and now. This is action is not about saving the world or become a missionary or debate others. It's rather about doing good deeds... whether small or big. And a huge secret is that it needs to start from HOME and those closest to you. Many people are very generous and charitable, social and kind, to strangers, acquaintances and friends... but do not keep up the same good behavior with family. This is cheating and will not produce any good effects in us worth mentioning. We always have to work inside out, from small to big. This may sound silly but it is not to be underestimated.
In addition to good thinking, we MUST have good action, or all will be waste. Good, deliberate, frequent and straight action... no matter how small. This builds character... cleans your vibration, opens you up to higher "dimensions" and opens up new doors.... and this is of course an ongoing process that takes time and effort.
Peace!
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Peace be upon thee,
I am finally back in Sweden and I can resume the works of researching on the data I have acquired. Thanks for your input Zulf; it is always valuable to me, the things that you write. You are right. We are only expected to primarily be good people and any "missionary's" duty is also to advocate people to purify themselves and be good people and not teach them strange rituals and rules.
I think I am going to make this statement an initial, but here it goes again The only criteria to enter God's Paradise is to believe in God alone, the Last Day and to be righteous people. Remember that a heavy weight is put on the righteous thing and it is harder than we think and an honorable objective of our lives. Being good is the point in God's system. It is really good versus evil, i.e pretty simple. And any sensible person can work out what that means and they also have Quran as a guide.
God bless you
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Peace zulf, all.
May I add to your post, the following
Believing in the truth is only an initial choice we make on the right path. Appreciating that truth and expressing our appreciation determines our true convictions. We express our appreciation by acting upon our belief and striving to lead the righteous life style dictated by God. Such expression of our appreciation by leading a righteous life is always a condition, side by side to our belief in God and the Last Day, to be redeemed (262, 2112, 569, 4613, 1719 and many more). Thus, actively expressing our appreciation spells out the test of being on earth and constitutes a vital element for salvation.
We will certainly put you to the test, in order to distinguish those among you who strive, and steadfastly persevere. We must expose your true qualities.
Peace to all
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Salaam good logic,
Good addition. Thank you.
God bless you
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Im sure this has been asked before but I have not seen it yet..but I always wonder if we were with God before we were born, how come we don't remember anything? How come the earliest memories most of us have of existing are from random, scattered projections from our childhood. I remember reading somewhere that the infant/toddler mind is the most receptive to our environment and to God because our subconscious hasn't been crowded with junk and schematics to tell us how to think, and what to believe. So then why can't we remember infancy? Why does it seem like we grow farther away from our true nature the older we get, and our subconscious is harder to access (even if we weren't engulfed by sin and the evil things in this world)? I always associate dying and ceasing to exist with deep darkness, and no sound at all like you are in a vacuum in space. Even though I believe in Heaven and Hell, logically I feel as if death is followed by the same nothingness that comes to mind when I try to recall my early existence. To try to envision myself as "spirit/energy" without my body seems too...cartoonish to me. I feel like it must be something unimaginable. Maybe that is way God left us with no recollection or perception of ourselves before our births.
Just some thoughts...
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Peace be with thee Tigress,
It is interesting to think what we were before we were born into this world. It depends on what we believe. My interpretation of the Quran is that we are fresh souls assigned to our bodies and that they are thus new and it was just our ancestors Adam and Eve who were actually "blown into existence". Our soul is a copy of this "layout", but with individual traits and originality.
To elaborate more theoretically and hypothetically I believe we have a positive part of our soul which is God's qualities (which we can choose to use with our so-called 'free will' and a negative part which is Shaytaan's qualities, the Jinn part of soul. The thing, which I deem complicated, is that if you with your free will decide to follow God then your positive born "split personality" will dominate and you are a good person. It does not mean automatically that you are destined for Heaven as that requires belief in God and the requital as well as goodness, but it is at least one of the criteria.
On the other hand, if you choose to let the evil part of your brain/soul dominate then you have problems making righteous decisions and let "the whispers of Shaytaan" affect you much. Since you are born with a copy of Shaytaan's traits this is possible.
I may not be right, but these are my crazy thoughts.
God bless you
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Peace Man of faith, Tigress, all.
"I had no knowledge previously, about the feud in the High Society
.This event must be something that happened before the creation of our universe?
God said
Did I not covenant with you, O Children of Adam, that you shall not serve/worship the devil? That he is your most ardent enemy?When did He do that?
And;
Most exalted is the One in whose hands is all kingship, and He is Omnipotent
The One who created death and life for the purpose of distinguishing those among you who would do better. He is the Almighty, the Forgiving.
Also,
Recall that your Lord summoned all the descendants of Adam, and had them bear witness for themselves "Am I not your Lord?" They all said, "Yes. We bear witness." Thus, you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, "We were not aware of this."When?
Finally
We created the human being from aged mud, like the potter's clay.Recall that we said to the angels, "Fall prostrate before Adam." They fell prostrate, except Satan; he refused.
I believe we existed before this physical creation that we are in now.God ,out of mercy, is giving us a chance to redeem ourselves back to His kingdom. We committed the original sin--sided with Iblis-This life is the trial
Contrary to common belief, the "Original Sin" was not Adam's violation of God's law when he ate from the forbidden tree. The original sin was our failure to uphold God's absolute authority during the Great Feud. If the human person convinces his or her jinn companion to denounce that original sin, and uphold God's absolute authority, both creatures are redeemed to God's eternal kingdom on the Day of Judgement. But if the jinn companion convinces the human being to uphold Satan's idolatrous views, then both creatures are exiled forever from God's kingdom.The companion said, "Here is my formidable testimony"
Peace to all.