Re: 33:56 and Durood Shareef
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http//May anyone, especially those with knowledge of Arabic, enlighten me on the meaning behind this verse and whether or not durood shareef is acceptable? I personally recently decided to stop reciting durood shareef in salah because I feel it is not supposed to be part of the contact prayer, and it is also giving preferential treatment to "Muhammad" while ignoring all the other prophets whom we are supposed to treat equally[/color
Who told you that they were "prophets"? On whose authority and saying, you are accepting them as prophets?
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http//May anyone, especially those with knowledge of Arabic, enlighten me on the meaning behind this verse and whether or not durood shareef is acceptable? I personally recently decided to stop reciting durood shareef in salah because I feel it is not supposed to be part of the contact prayer, and it is also giving preferential treatment to "Muhammad" while ignoring all the other prophets whom we are supposed to treat equally...
Who told you that they were "prophets"? On whose authority and saying, you are accepting them as prophets?
I did not mention anyone by name in my question other than putting "Muhammad" in quotes (specifically, because I was reading a thread that was showing the word is not treated as a proper name). With that being said, what are you inferring? Who is "they" that you are talking about, because I have no "they" in my question.
2136 Say "We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit."
I do not want an argument over semantics, just a simple answer to my question.
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what's durood mean?
anyway this might help you
the verse talks about 3 things,
First, God yusalli 3ala al-nabi
Second, the angels yusalloo 3ala al-nabi
Third, those who believe, yusalloo 3ala-alnabi wa yusallimoo tasleemaa
Notice that sallimoo tasleemaa is only required by those who believe and not by God and the angels.
So regardless of what the meaning of sallimoo tasleemaa is, it is only required by those who believe.
Now what does it mean....
it has been misinterpreted as, say salaam 3ala al-nabi, blessings and peace upon him. But is this the right meaning?
If we look at 465 we see the phrase yusallimoo tasleemaa again...
this has been translated as...
But nay, by thy Sustainer! They do not believe unless they make thee a judge of all on which they disagree among themselves, and then find in their hearts no bar to an acceptance of thy decision and give themselves up in utter self-surrender.
But no, by your Lord, they will not believe you until they make you the judge regarding the disagreement between them, then, they will not find in themselves any discomfort concerning your verdict, and will surrender to you in full submissionSo how can the phrase "yusallimoo tasleemaa" mean say peace and blessing in one ayat and surrender in full submission in the other.
In both ayat it means submit completely AFAIK.
So now if we read the first ayat again(3356) we see that those who believe are required to yusalloo (help/support/link) the prophet and submit completely.
Now, regardless of whether it means submit completely or say salam, Allah does not do it on the prophet. Of course Allah does not submit, so the people say Allah says salaam on the prophet. They see it as a harmless thing to say.
If you read the ayat after it which is 3357, you will see God talking about the people who do the opposite of salat 3ala al-nabi and sallimoo tasleemaa. They are yu2thoona al-nabi. (hurting the nabi), how do they do this?
They do this by opposing Islam and not submitting, they do this by fighting Islam. How can someone hurt the nabi by not pronouncing peace upon him? Does not make sense.
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= they, other prophets
The way you phrase it is inferring that I was stating specific people are prophets. I am referring to the verse
2136 Say "We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit."
What you are saying is that I am stating some specific people as prophets, when I never did any such thing...
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what's durood mean?
anyway this might help you
the verse talks about 3 things,
First, God yusalli 3ala al-nabi
Second, the angels yusalloo 3ala al-nabi
Third, those who believe, yusalloo 3ala-alnabi wa yusallimoo tasleemaa
Notice that sallimoo tasleemaa is only required by those who believe and not by God and the angels.
So regardless of what the meaning of sallimoo tasleemaa is, it is only required by those who believe.
Now what does it mean....
it has been misinterpreted as, say salaam 3ala al-nabi, blessings and peace upon him. But is this the right meaning?
If we look at 465 we see the phrase yusallimoo tasleemaa again...
this has been translated as...
But nay, by thy Sustainer! They do not believe unless they make thee a judge of all on which they disagree among themselves, and then find in their hearts no bar to an acceptance of thy decision and give themselves up in utter self-surrender.
But no, by your Lord, they will not believe you until they make you the judge regarding the disagreement between them, then, they will not find in themselves any discomfort concerning your verdict, and will surrender to you in full submissionSo how can the phrase "yusallimoo tasleemaa" mean say peace and blessing in one ayat and surrender in full submission in the other.
In both ayat it means submit completely AFAIK.
So now if we read the first ayat again(3356) we see that those who believe are required to yusalloo (help/support/link) the prophet and submit completely.
Now, regardless of whether it means submit completely or say salam, Allah does not do it on the prophet. Of course Allah does not submit, so the people say Allah says salaam on the prophet. They see it as a harmless thing to say.
If you read the ayat after it which is 3357, you will see God talking about the people who do the opposite of salat 3ala al-nabi and sallimoo tasleemaa. They are yu2thoona al-nabi. (hurting the nabi), how do they do this?
They do this by opposing Islam and not submitting, they do this by fighting Islam. How can someone hurt the nabi by not pronouncing peace upon him? Does not make sense.
Alhamdulillah, thank you very much. This is what I needed. )
Also, I think "darood" is a Persian word and it's used in Urdu. This is my mistake. AS-Salatu alan-nabi is what is referred in Urdu as Darood Shareef (darood from Farsi, I believe).
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Know the fact Allah the Exalted and His Angels render commendations upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen Allegiant .
O those/you, who consciously proclaim to have accepted/become believers, listen!
You are directed to reverently commend and attend to him. And you are required to submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.
Both the verbs are second person, masculine, plural COMMAND verbs;
If we look at 465 we see the phrase yusallimoo tasleemaa again...
Here the Verb is in Subjunctive Mood; third person; masculine; plural.
commendations Praise of somebody's abilities; recognition of accomplishment.
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commendations Praise of somebody's abilities; recognition of accomplishment.
Thank you very much
So this poses another question for me. I always wondered we are supposed to praise Allah, but "Muhammad" = "praiseworthy one;" we are to praise him as well, yeah? Is it supposed to be a part of our contact prayer
Allahuma sallay ala Muhammadin wa ala e Muhammadin, Kama sallaeta ala Ibrahima wa ala aal e Ibrahima ina ka Hameedunm Majeed,
Allahumma baarik ala Muhammadin wa ala aal e Muhammadin, Kama barakta ala Ibrahima wa ala aal e Ibrahima inna ka Hameedunm Majeed.
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Peace,
Ayat 33/56 has nothing to do with salat.
Now that the prophet is dead, he is in no need of anything from us.
He was promised forgiveness and the blessed abode, while we need to worry about both
attaining forgiveness and the blessed abode.All have a blessed Ramadan!
peace
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Thank you very much
So this poses another question for me. I always wondered we are supposed to praise Allah, but "Muhammad" = "praiseworthy one;" we are to praise him as well, yeah? Is it supposed to be a part of our contact prayer
Allahuma sallay ala Muhammadin wa ala e Muhammadin, Kama sallaeta ala Ibrahima wa ala aal e Ibrahima ina ka Hameedunm Majeed,
Allahumma baarik ala Muhammadin wa ala aal e Muhammadin, Kama barakta ala Ibrahima wa ala aal e Ibrahima inna ka Hameedunm Majeed.
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1st according to The Qur'aan SALAAT is for GOD's commemoration only. We are not to mention anyone else in our SALAATs but ALLAAH, swt. See 2014 below among others.
Verily I, I am ALLAAH, there is no god but I, therefore serve Me and establish the salaat for My commemoration.
2nd Regarding verse 3356,
Verily ALLAAH and His angels SALUTE the prophet. O you believers, SALUTE him and submit yourselves submissively.
The verse renders three separate meanings.
1). ALLAAH, swt, and His angels SALUTE the prophet.
2). ALLAAH, swt, commands the believers to also SALUTE him.
3). ALLAAH, swt, commands the believers to also submit themselves submissively to the religion, i.e. to the deen of ISLAM.The Salutations are for the LIVING prophet at the time, and the LIVING believers were obligated to it to SALUTE the prophet in respect during his lifetime whenever and wherever he was present before them, just like saluting and paying respect to the people in AUTHORITY.
Also one is not to ASK GOD to salute the prophet, because GOD and His angels already did that anyway, no need to ask for it.
The only Qur'aanic act of respect to be paid toward messengers of GOD is to say "Peace be upon him/pbuh" when we here their name. See 37181 below.
And peace be upon messengers.
Peace,
Khalil -
I don't think anyone but God should be mentioned in Salat. But the question for me in 3356 is what is the Arabic meaning? SUPPORT the Prophet? Or SEND BLESSINGS UPON the Prophet? Big difference. Does anyone know?
I looked it up in Lane's Lexicon. Did not find it to mean "SUPPORT". Other meanings include, MAGNIFYING, PRAISING, BLESSING, and PRAYING FOR.
Peace,
Khalil -
1st according to The Qur'aan SALAAT is for GOD's commemoration only. We are not to mention anyone else in our SALAATs but ALLAAH, swt. See 2014 below among others.
Verily I, I am ALLAAH, there is no god but I, therefore serve Me and establish the salaat for My commemoration.
2nd Regarding verse 3356,
Verily ALLAAH and His angels SALUTE the prophet. O you believers, SALUTE him and submit yourselves submissively.
The verse renders three separate meanings.
1). ALLAAH, swt, and His angels SALUTE the prophet.
2). ALLAAH, swt, commands the believers to also SALUTE him.
3). ALLAAH, swt, commands the believers to also submit themselves submissively to the religion, i.e. to the deen of ISLAM.The Salutations are for the LIVING prophet at the time, and the LIVING believers were obligated to it to SALUTE the prophet in respect during his lifetime whenever and wherever he was present before them, just like saluting and paying respect to the people in AUTHORITY.
Also one is not to ASK GOD to salute the prophet, because GOD and His angels already did that anyway, no need to ask for it.
The only Qur'aanic act of respect to be paid toward messengers of GOD is to say "Peace be upon him/pbuh" when we here their name. See 37181 below.
And peace be upon messengers.
Peace,
KhalilIt is third person masculine plural verb with subject pronoun referring Allah the Exalted and the Angels. It is imperfect verb with evident mood INDICATIVE.
The imperfect indicative mood verb does not restrict itself to any idea of time; it indicates enduring existence, begun and incomplete, either in past, present or future time.
And peace be upon messengers.
There is no verb "be" in this complete sentence. Salutations-tranquility-state of complete peace are bestowed upon the Messengers.
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The imperfect indicative mood verb does not restrict itself to any idea of time; it indicates enduring existence, begun and incomplete, either in past, present or future time.
I have found this to be true. Muhammad = praised one forever or for an indefinite
period of time.Thank you Mazhar
I find this a better english translation
3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe, you shall greet him, submissively.
ac?knowl?edge transitive verb \ik-n?-lij, ak-
ac?knowl?edgedac?knowl?edg?ingDefinition of ACKNOWLEDGE
1 to recognize the rights, authority, or status of
2 to disclose knowledge of or agreement with
3 a to express gratitude or obligation for
b to take notice of
c to make known the receipt of4 to recognize as genuine or valid
All have a blessed Ramadan
peace
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I have found this to be true. Muhammad = praised one forever or for an indefinite
period of time.Thank you Mazhar
I find this a better english translation
3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe, you shall greet him, submissively.
ac?knowl?edge transitive verb \ik-n?-lij, ak-
ac?knowl?edgedac?knowl?edg?ingDefinition of ACKNOWLEDGE
1 to recognize the rights, authority, or status of
2 to disclose knowledge of or agreement with
3 a to express gratitude or obligation for
b to take notice of
c to make known the receipt of4 to recognize as genuine or valid
All have a blessed Ramadan
peace
Thanks.
Perhaps "you shall greet him" is not a proper sentence in English when it relates to law and rules. It is not about the determination of the Speaker, Allah the Exalted but is a command. In law parlance, it means "You the believers are hereby directed-----"
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Peace ajiboghareeb,
So this poses another question for me. I always wondered we are supposed to praise Allah, but "Muhammad" = "praiseworthy one;" we are to praise him as well, yeah? Is it supposed to be a part of our contact prayer
Allahuma sallay ala Muhammadin wa ala e Muhammadin, Kama sallaeta ala Ibrahima wa ala aal e Ibrahima ina ka Hameedunm Majeed,
Allahumma baarik ala Muhammadin wa ala aal e Muhammadin, Kama barakta ala Ibrahima wa ala aal e Ibrahima inna ka Hameedunm Majeed.
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Thanks.
Perhaps "you shall greet him" is not a proper sentence in English when it relates to law and rules. It is not about the determination of the Speaker, Allah the Exalted but is a command. In law parlance, it means "You the believers are hereby directed-----"
Peace Mazhar,
"you shall" is a directive, a command
shall verb \shl, shal
past should \shd, shud\ present singular & plural shallDefinition of SHALL
verbal auxiliary
1 archaic a will have to must
b will be able to can2 a ?used to express a command or exhortation <you shall go> b ?used in laws,
regulations, or directives to express what is mandatory <it shall be unlawful to carry firearms>The comma after "him" should be removed.
I said 3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe, you
shall greet him, submissively.It should be 3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe,
you shall greet him submissivelyOr3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe,
you shall greet God's prophet submissively.Or3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe,
you are commaded to greet God's prophet submissively.The two sentences together create the context. One should understand that to "greet
him submissively does not refer to God or his angels, therefore no further directives are
needed.All have a blessed Ramadan
peace
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Peace,
Ayat 33/56 has nothing to do with salat.
Now that the prophet is dead, he is in no need of anything from us.
He was promised forgiveness and the blessed abode, while we need to worry about both
attaining forgiveness and the blessed abode.All have a blessed Ramadan!
peace
Peace,
Yes I agree with Hawk
This verse has nothing to do with Salat.
We should only mention God in salat.We can glorify Prophet anytime except in salat.
Kind regards,
Yuliana -
It should be 3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe,
you shall greet him submissively"acknowledge the prophet" will convey to the reader the meanings of "acknowledge" as they recognize or admit him as prophet. Hence it is far distant as compared to the Arabic sentence.