Re: 33:56 and Durood Shareef

hawk99

The imperfect indicative mood verb does not restrict itself to any idea of time; it indicates enduring existence, begun and incomplete, either in past, present or future time.

I have found this to be true. Muhammad = praised one forever or for an indefinite
period of time.

Thank you Mazhar

I find this a better english translation

3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe, you shall greet him, submissively.

ac?knowl?edge transitive verb \ik-n?-lij, ak-
ac?knowl?edgedac?knowl?edg?ing

Definition of ACKNOWLEDGE

1 to recognize the rights, authority, or status of

2 to disclose knowledge of or agreement with

3 a to express gratitude or obligation for
b to take notice of
c to make known the receipt of

4 to recognize as genuine or valid

All have a blessed Ramadan

peace

Mazhar

I have found this to be true. Muhammad = praised one forever or for an indefinite
period of time.

Thank you Mazhar

I find this a better english translation

3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe, you shall greet him, submissively.

ac?knowl?edge transitive verb \ik-n?-lij, ak-
ac?knowl?edgedac?knowl?edg?ing

Definition of ACKNOWLEDGE

1 to recognize the rights, authority, or status of

2 to disclose knowledge of or agreement with

3 a to express gratitude or obligation for
b to take notice of
c to make known the receipt of

4 to recognize as genuine or valid

All have a blessed Ramadan

peace

Thanks.

Perhaps "you shall greet him" is not a proper sentence in English when it relates to law and rules. It is not about the determination of the Speaker, Allah the Exalted but is a command. In law parlance, it means "You the believers are hereby directed-----"

Wilson

Peace ajiboghareeb,

So this poses another question for me. I always wondered we are supposed to praise Allah, but "Muhammad" = "praiseworthy one;" we are to praise him as well, yeah? Is it supposed to be a part of our contact prayer
Allahuma sallay ala Muhammadin wa ala e Muhammadin, Kama sallaeta ala Ibrahima wa ala aal e Ibrahima ina ka Hameedunm Majeed,
Allahumma baarik ala Muhammadin wa ala aal e Muhammadin, Kama barakta ala Ibrahima wa ala aal e Ibrahima inna ka Hameedunm Majeed.
?

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9601181.msg260048#msg260048

hawk99

Thanks.

Perhaps "you shall greet him" is not a proper sentence in English when it relates to law and rules. It is not about the determination of the Speaker, Allah the Exalted but is a command. In law parlance, it means "You the believers are hereby directed-----"

Peace Mazhar,

"you shall" is a directive, a command

shall verb \shl, shal
past should \shd, shud\ present singular & plural shall

Definition of SHALL
verbal auxiliary
1 archaic a will have to must
b will be able to can

2 a ?used to express a command or exhortation <you shall go> b ?used in laws,
regulations, or directives to express what is mandatory <it shall be unlawful to carry firearms>

The comma after "him" should be removed.

I said 3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe, you
shall greet him, submissively.

It should be 3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe,
you shall greet him submissively

Or3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe,
you shall greet God's prophet submissively.

Or3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe,
you are commaded to greet God's prophet submissively.

The two sentences together create the context. One should understand that to "greet
him submissively does not refer to God or his angels, therefore no further directives are
needed.

All have a blessed Ramadan

peace

diamantinehoneybunch

Peace,

Ayat 33/56 has nothing to do with salat.

Now that the prophet is dead, he is in no need of anything from us.

He was promised forgiveness and the blessed abode, while we need to worry about both
attaining forgiveness and the blessed abode.

All have a blessed Ramadan!

peace

Peace,

Yes I agree with Hawk

This verse has nothing to do with Salat.
We should only mention God in salat.

We can glorify Prophet anytime except in salat.

Kind regards,
Yuliana

Mazhar

It should be 3356 God and His angels acknowledge the prophet. O you who believe,
you shall greet him submissively

"acknowledge the prophet" will convey to the reader the meanings of "acknowledge" as they recognize or admit him as prophet. Hence it is far distant as compared to the Arabic sentence.

hawk99

"acknowledge the prophet" will convey to the reader the meanings of "acknowledge" as they recognize or admit him as prophet. Hence it is far distant as compared to the Arabic sentence.

Peace Mazhar,

Your translation please?

Mazhar

In post 7;

Know the fact Allah the Exalted and His Angels render commendations upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen Allegiant .

Verb like particle is brought in the nominal sentence to draw the attention of the reader and to emphasise upon him to know the predicate.

O those/you, who consciously proclaim to have accepted/become believers, listen!

You are directed to reverently commend and attend to him. And you are required to submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.

mubashir55

What is DAROOD or SALAWAAT?

The word DAROOD is not Arabic. The word SALAWAAT is Arabic. It is usually
believed that if we read SALAWAAT on Muhammad for a certain number of
times, our sins will be forgiven, so on and so forth.

If we see Quran, we come to know that it is not only human beings who are to do
SALAWAAT but Allah, His angels as well as the prophet also do
SALAWAAT on human beings.

Please see the following

Allah?s SALAWAAT on human beings

2156 When a calamity befalls them, they do not waver. Rather, they say, "We
are for Allah, dedicated to His Cause and every step of ours will advance in
the Direction shown by Him." (9159).

2157 It is they on whom is SALAWAAT from their Lord and blesses with His Grace. And it is they, they who are guided to
the most desirable destination.

The above verse clearly indicates that SALAWAAT can also be on human beings
from Allah. Now does this mean that Allah reads for a certain time SALAWAAT on
people? It does not make sense.

Rasool?s SALAWAAT for human beings

9103 Accept their contribution for the community. Purify their thoughts with
proper education and training so that their "Self" may grow. SALLI ALAIHIM
Your SALAWAAT is a great source of peace in their hearts. Allah is
Hearer, Knower.

In the above verse Allah has ordered Muhammad to do SALAWAAT on human
beings. Does this mean that Muhammad reads SALAWAAT on people for a
certain number of times? It does not make sense.

Allah?s and His Angels? SALAWAAT on human beings

3343 He it is Who bestows His blessings upon you, and supports you , and His angels, that He may bring you forth from darkness into the
Light. And Merciful is He, indeed, to those who attain belief.

In the above verse Allah and His angles do SALAWAAT on momineen. Does this mean
that Allah and His angels reads SALAWAAT on people for a certain number of
times? It does not make sense.

SALAWAT of human beings for RASOOL

999 And among the Bedouins are those who believe in Allah and the Last Day and
consider their spending as a means towards Allah and a means of
SALAWAAT-E-RASOOL . This will raise their ranks
with Allah. Allah will embrace them with His Mercy. Verily, Allah is Forgiving,
Gracious.

The above verse explains the concept of SALAWAAT by describing ?Spending? as a
means of ?support?.

Now see the most commonly referred verse according to which momineen should do
SALAWAAT on Muhammad

3356 Verily, Allah and His angels bless the Messenger and support his Mission
. O You who have chosen to be graced with belief! Support his
Mission in total submission.

Consider all the above verses and decide yourself.

Is SALAWAAT just from Momineen for Muhammad ?

The answer is no.

The SALAWAAT is also from Allah to human beings.

The SALAWAAT is also from Muhammad for human beings.

So when Allah does SALAWAAT on human beings, Does He read something for a
certain number of times on human beings?

SALAWAAT is not reading something for a certain number of times but practically
doing something i.e. supporting Muhammad?s mission by whatever means
we can.

SALAWAAT is not something that should be a bone of contention whether there
should be a SALAWAAT before azan or not. It has an utterly different meanings
and objectives.

hawk99

Peace Mazhar,

Good, but cumbersome and redundant.

Know the fact Allah the Exalted and His Angels render commendations upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen Allegiant You are directed to reverently commend and attend to him. And you are required to submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.

brown= too obscure maybe support (the best), acknowledge, recognize, align
red= redundant
purple= again obscure
humble is a derivative of obeisance

Allah the Exalted and His Angels support the prophet. You are directed to revere him.
And you are required to show obeisance to him.

Actually if one is concerned about rendering an understanding in modern english one could
use the colloquial approach.

col?lo?qui?al/klokwil/ Show Spelled Show IPA
adjective

characteristic of or appropriate to ordinary or familiar conversation rather than
formal speech or writing; informal.
involving or using conversation.

God and his angels back up the prophet, O you who believe, you are to
have his back also, and show him the highest respect.

God bless

peace

Mazhar

Peace Mazhar,

Good, but cumbersome and redundant.

Know the fact Allah the Exalted and His Angels render commendations upon the Distinctly Elevated and Chosen Allegiant You are directed to reverently commend and attend to him. And you are required to submit to him salutations showing obeisance in a humble and respectful manner.

brown= too obscure maybe support (the best), acknowledge, recognize, align
red= redundant
purple= again obscure
humble is a derivative of obeisance

Allah the Exalted and His Angels support the prophet. You are directed to revere him.
And you are required to show obeisance to him.

Actually if one is concerned about rendering an understanding in modern english one could
use the colloquial approach.

col?lo?qui?al/klokwil/ Show Spelled Show IPA
adjective

characteristic of or appropriate to ordinary or familiar conversation rather than
formal speech or writing; informal.
involving or using conversation.

God and his angels back up the prophet, O you who believe, you are to
have his back also, and show him the highest respect.

God bless

peace

By using "acknowledge" or "recognize" will be meaningless unless it is clarified as to what is that which is to be acknowledged or recognized. "Acknowledge" and "recognize" need to be specified. Because of that I preferred "commendation" which is perhaps precisely closest to Arabic verb.

Commendation praise of somebody's abilities and recognition of an outstanding achievement.

Distinctly Elevated and Chosen Allegiant is the translation for "AnNabi". "prophet" is a wrong choice because this word has in it the meanings and reference to "prognosticator" also.

reverently commend The Arabic verb itself indicates upon abundance, excess and increase. I could not find a single word which could portray fully the verb. We commend or salute also in routine or just habitual manner also, as is done by uniform personnel. Arabic verb has built in reverence.

Tasleeman It is a Verbal Noun in accusative case; used as Cognate adverb It explains the manner in which the action takes place.