Hijab
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Fare thee well,
Nice level of sarcasm.
God bless you
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Peace Huruf,
I personally think the dress code for men and women are the same, we both are to be
covered from the neck to the knees except maybe the forearms in the presence of the
opposite sex that is not related to us. But as I previously stated"You may inquire why God specifically addresses a women's appearance more so than a
man's and seek the wisdom of such a directive instead of succumbing to frustration."There may be circumstances were this dress code may relaxed due to
a task that is being performed.peace
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Salaam,
Seriously I don't understand why some people equate women's HAIR/HEAD with private parts, breasts and other women's sexually attractive body parts.
I don't understand why women's hair/head is the reason of rape in the eyes of some hijab freaks.
Seriously I don't understand why some people think that women must cover almost all parts of her body to avoid rape why men just do nothing.Does HAIR/HEAD make men arousal?
I don't understand why men can show their head/hair why women can't.
Too much male chauvinism entered in Islam.My point was
The clothing style must adjusted to the environment, with objective of survivability.The reason why there's a recommendation in Quran to 'certain dresses' is to avoid unwanted attention and increase the survivability of women.
Quran context was 7th century society in the middle east surrounded by nomadic folks.
It's a general nomadic culture everywhere in the world, due to their long time habits of 'hunter and gatherer' lifestyle, they tend to see 'everything and everyone is up for grabs'. Women, horses, livestock are item to 'gather', by force if necessary.
To the 'dwelling folks' it's called pillaging, robbery and plundering, but to them is just another day of hunting. Nomadic people doesn't have the conception of 'Private Property'.
The same culture / habits are being shown within Mongolian Nomads (Genghis Khan and His Cohorts), The Hun, The Turks (Ancient Turks), The Cossacks etc..
Thus when you're living in 10th century Mongolia (for example), please adjust your dress accordingly to the local custom (although covering head/hair is not required, as Mongolian doesn't consider hair as private part or appealing to them), don't attract any attention from the Nomads otherwise you'll run the risk of being kidnapped by Genghis Khan and his cohorts..
When you're going to the moon, don't wear Hijab!
You must wear astronaut suit ! Otherwise you'll be dead..When you're living in Polynesia.. feel free to not wearing anything except a skirt!
Like this one
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It's safe enough to wear dresses like that within Polynesia region..Last but not least, your clothing style is not correlated at all with your morality...
Salam / Peace
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My point was
The clothing style must adjusted to the environment, with objective of survivability.The reason why there's a recommendation in Quran to 'certain dresses' is to avoid unwanted attention and increase the survivability of women.
Last but not least, your clothing style is not correlated at all with your morality...
Salam / Peace
Peace Sir
I have highlighted, in red, a section of your post, as you yourself have a lot of granted authority I should address you as Sir )
Where I live, in winter almost everyone runs to cover up, from head to toe, so its hijab everywhere, but in summer some women are going around in shorts so small you can see their buttocks curves, their boobs almost hanging out. Then there are others who look like Barbie dolls; shaking on thin high heels. They reveal, and attract attention, more than complete nudity would. However most "Sunnies" are going in, what you call, Hijab and even Burqa &
Since you say; Thus when you're living in 10th century Mongolia (for example), please adjust your dress accordingly ....... Last but not least, your clothing style is not correlated at all with your morality...Yess! as you say Sir, bbt! confused where do I stand ???
The reason why there's a recommendation in Quran to 'certain dresses' is to avoid unwanted attention and increase the survivability of women
Sir ! !Do you claim to have access to the higher knowledge to give us this reasoning ???
When you're going to the moon, don't wear Hijab!
You must wear astronaut suit ! Otherwise you'll be dead..Yes Sirrr! since astronaut suit covers our body more than the hijab, ;D
All we need now is The Establishmen Of The Lunar Ka"baH ( The House of ALLAAH on the Moon) O- - ->oI think that the Ka"baH is already a universal direction (which would mean that if there is another specie somewhere else in the universe that worships our Lord, then they got also a point on their "planet" which makes them to pray in the direction of the Ka"baH in Mecca)
According to this understanding, then we should make a replica of the Ka"baH on the Moon which would make us to direct in fact to the Ka"baH on the Earth, so we would have to work on some special coordinates for the replica which would make us praying in the direction of the Ka"baH of Earth?
Then it would be a moving replica? hmm?
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May ALLAAH guide all to learn of His knowledge inshaa ALLAAH
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Peace be upon thee,
And I believe the matter of 'hijab' might as well extend to men. Men are not free of the same religious responsibility of being modest when it comes to clothing. When men are around women they might think about wearing long-sleeved shirts and not too tight clothes as to reveal their muscles.
In the past it was also common for men to wear hats just for the same reason as women in islam, ie be righteous. Unfortunately, today people may regard you as strange if you don a hat, but a cap is okay so well tha is cool, however I do not look good in a cap.
Guess I suffer from the common issue of caring too much of what others think. However, I might have started to grow old enough not to care about such matters as what people think. Always wanted to don a typical cowboy hat.
Head wear has always been part of the outfit. But when we talk about islam it is taboo.
Starting to show our nakedness is a sign of demoralization however I think. And then I did not imply on headdresses but the undressing overall. What is it we want to display anyway?
God bless you
Salaam,
About the part of your post that is embolded, I remember when I was younger some 5 years ago, a man wearing a tee shirt without sleeves and short pants until the knees was asking me why don't I wear headscarf, then I proposed him to go to put his clothes on first then maybe I would wear a headscarf - I didn't really see why I had the obligation to be completely covered among persons who were walking half naked (?)
What is the reason why some men continue showing their skin and forms through tight clothes and at the same time, continue asking women not to show their skin, forms and hear? It looks like those some men do not want the rules to apply to them. What do you - members - think of this fact?
What do women should do in this kind of social environment? Should they adapt and walk also half naked not to attract the attention on them, or, should they apply the muslim rules of clothing on themselves independently of the social environment where they evolve?
(Thank you for you replys Jafar and farida, I read them after posting here. Therefore do not hesitate to add some of your ideas and understandings after this post)
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Salaam,
About the part of your post that is embolded, I remember when I was younger some 5 years ago, a man wearing a tee shirt without sleeves and short pants until the knees ......- I didn't really see why I had the obligation to be completely covered among persons who were walking half naked (?)
....., should they apply the muslim rules of clothing on themselves independently of the social environment where they evolve?
(Thank you for you replys Jafar and farida, I read them after posting here. Therefore do not hesitate to add some of your ideas and understandings after this post)
- salaam raspberry red
Haha ;D I'll tell you what happened today when I went out for a walk, my head covered in a Big scarf/duppattta. My husband he can't wait for me to get a decent hijaab, but I am hooked to posting here. Being a Swede, summers are short there, he take's every opportunity to go out in shorts to his knees. When we go out together we anyway get goats glances, from almost all here, so we avoid holding hands.
Today was even more interesting as there was a small Music concert there, and we went as we wanted to see what was going on. As we entered there was a couple among many and straight away there was a kind of nudge and the staring started. Having lived here long enough to know the local community I wanted to amuse them more(then the music concert ), so I asked hubby to hold hands, and heads held high we calmly walked past that couple, turning a few more heads in the crowd, while others sort of ducked their heads.
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Peace Sir
I have highlighted, in red, a section of your post, as you yourself have a lot of granted authority I should address you as Sir )
Of course I speak on my own authority, and you speak on your own authority.. i don't see any problem here do you?
Where I live, in winter almost everyone runs to cover up, from head to toe, so its hijab everywhere,
but in summer some women are going around in shorts so small you can see their buttocks curves, their boobs almost hanging out. Then there are others who look like Barbie dolls; shaking on thin high heels. They reveal, and attract attention, more than complete nudity would. However most "Sunnies" are going in, what you call, Hijab and even Burqa &Good for you.. if you like to wear as minimum as possible clothing at any time and you will definitely be still safe as other people wear practically the same style of outfit. I might suggest Polynesian region in the pacific.
Great place, paradise like, white sandy beaches, friendly people and tropical climate thus NO WINTER..
Since you say; Thus when you're living in 10th century Mongolia (for example), please adjust your dress accordingly ....... Last but not least, your clothing style is not correlated at all with your morality...
Yess! as you say Sir, bbt! confused where do I stand ???
I don't know you tell me?
An example
In case one or few among those pretty Polynesian girls in which their regular day-to-day attire consist of hand woven skirt from grasses material planning to go to New York, then I do advise them to 'dress accordingly in accordance to local custom', in this case, usual dress of New Yorkers women.If they walk around the street of New York with those perky tits, they will definitely be arrested by New Yorker Policeman!
The same case with polynesian men..
If they walk around the street of New York with their regular attire of Penis Gourd, then they will too definitely be arrested by New Yorker Policeman!In case you don't know what "Penis Gourd" looks like
http//a.images.blip.tv/Timothyjamesdean-TimothyJamesDeanAuthorOfTEETHWelcome990.jpgSir ! !Do you claim to have access to the higher knowledge to give us this reasoning ???
Yes Sirrr! since astronaut suit covers our body more than the hijab, ;DI don't know.. what do you think? (Nonetheless I don't care actually)
And why does it matter???All we need now is The Establishmen Of The Lunar Ka"baH ( The House of ALLAAH on the Moon) O- - ->o
I think that the Ka"baH is already a universal direction (which would mean that if there is another specie somewhere else in the universe that worships our Lord, then they got also a point on their "planet" which makes them to pray in the direction of the Ka"baH in Mecca)
According to this understanding, then we should make a replica of the Ka"baH on the Moon which would make us to direct in fact to the Ka"baH on the Earth, so we would have to work on some special coordinates for the replica which would make us praying in the direction of the Ka"baH of Earth?
Then it would be a moving replica? hmm?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605684.msg334545#msg334545Lover to hear from many highly intelligent ones here yes
I don't want to go OOT, what does the black cube which once used to housed idols situated in the middle of the desert got to do with clothing style?
Salam / Peace
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I don't know.. what do you think? (Nonetheless I don't care actually)
And why does it matter???Salam / Peace
Thank you!! Finally you know where you should stand.
I don't want to go OOT, ]
Really!!! then why do you, at any given chance, try to show African tribal naked men and women in your posts? I am sure that they do not live the way they do, so that you can flaunt their picture around, or use it as a tourist picture shot. How pathetic to invade those, who have no interest in your culture or mine.
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This statement confirms your utter ignorance.
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Peace Huruf,
I personally think the dress code for men and women are the same, we both are to be
covered from the neck to the knees except maybe the forearms in the presence of the
opposite sex that is not related to us. But as I previously stated"You may inquire why God specifically addresses a women's appearance more so than a
man's and seek the wisdom of such a directive instead of succumbing to frustration."There may be circumstances were this dress code may relaxed due to
a task that is being performed.peace
What is the use of repeating what I have already answered and I do not have a different answer just because you repeat it.
Salaam
Salaam
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Thank you!! Finally you know where you should stand.
Really!!! then why do you, at any given chance, try to show African tribal naked men and women in your posts? I am sure that they do not live the way they do, so that you can flaunt their picture around, or use it as a tourist picture shot. How pathetic to invade those, who have no interest in your culture or mine.
This statement confirms your utter ignorance.
peaceOn contrary, the above statement really confirms your utter IGNORANCE.
THEY ARE NOT AFRICANS!
Do you know the difference between POLYNESIANS and AFRICANS?
Go and look it up on Google or Wikipedia!
Do your research well to avoid posting such ridiculous comment.And I ASSURE YOU, "THEY DO LIVE THE WAY THEY DO". Up until today.
And unlike you, (And some other people in this forum) I see nothing wrong in the way they dress.The relations to the topic being discussed is People dresses differently all around the world.
Thus what is considered as "Appropriate clothing style" or even "Nudity" varied through time and place.And.. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALITY.
Dress in accordance to your environment.. God is not a fashionista..
Salam / Peace
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I still find it very difficult to believe that after all that has been said on all Quran-alone sites about the Hijab, some people can still consider it compulsory to cover their head especially women. I still see people here quoting hadith to prove their point. Would you also like to quote the strong narrations that say that the prophet married Aisha at age 9, or the ones where he slept with MAry the Copt and on the way to Medina without an actual marriage or the ones when he told people to kill the children and women of Unbelievers since they are part of them or those where he told people that sending durrod on him will help them achieve the highest position in paradise?. "Females' hair induces pheromones" "thehair of females are seductive" Rubbish!!!. The idiots who invented these laws also said that the nakedness of men starts from the navel. Are you trying to say that the chest of built men like THE ROCK or John Cena or Ryan Gosling can induce pheromones in females. These are all ridiculous aguments. What about the face of women aren't those seductive too?? Do you want to wear Niqabs. If we accept the Quran we agree and accept to leave all the Hadith-mentality behind and embrace reason and justice and equity. The hair of most men in European countries can grow longer and finer than those of most women in Africa, should the men have to cover their hair. God has not places restrictions on you if you placed unnecessary restrictions on yourself or others then you are clearly in the wrong and do not have God on your side.
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On contrary, the above statement really confirms your utter IGNORANCE.
THEY ARE NOT AFRICANS!
Do you know the difference between POLYNESIANS and AFRICANS?
Go and look it up on Google or Wikipedia!
Do your research well to avoid posting such ridiculous comment.And I ASSURE YOU, "THEY DO LIVE THE WAY THEY DO". Up until today.
And unlike you, (And some other people in this forum) I see nothing wrong in the way they dress.The relations to the topic being discussed is People dresses differently all around the world.
Thus what is considered as "Appropriate clothing style" or even "Nudity" varied through time and place.And.. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MORALITY.
Dress in accordance to your environment.. God is not a fashionista..
Salam / Peace
Peace
Thank you for correcting me and further information about POLYNESIANS. Regardless your ignorance is much greater then mine. May ALLAAH inform you about bakka/ qibla and kaba.
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Selam Jafar,
A question and that is why would God bother telling us about dress code anyway? People all over the world already are dressing according to their customs...so it's nothing new.
Why are there verses in the Quran, according to you that tell us dress as you would normally dress in the environment in which you are living?
It doesn't make sense..unless you have a very good explanation for this?
Also are you ignoring the ayat which specifically ask women to cevr their chest?