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    muslims
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    peace,

    please go through the post again, the answer for your question is already there.

    peace

    Salam DrGm,

    Okay, this is new for me; ie. benefiting humanity is wrong.

    Peace brother.

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      peace hawk99,

      even if we take that, when addressed to a group, it is again for the individual in the group.

      1995 - And everyone of them will come to Him singly on the Day of Judgment.

      peace

      Peace DrGm,

      No offence intended, just giving you the correct translation that's all.

      handshake

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        <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Unconditional freedom</a> in matter of faith etc.
        and no division in the society, irrespective of their religions.

        To every nation
        We appointed acts of devotion <-- Does it really matter to us how they perform their prayers?
        which they observe (<a href="http//quran.com/5/101-105">5101-105</a&gt
        therefore they should not dispute with you about the matter

        and call to your Lord <-- Deen of Islam
        most surely you are on a right way <-- just and balance (<a href="http//quran.com/3/67-68">367-68</a&gt

        And if they contend with you, say
        Allah best knows what you do
        Allah will judge between you <-- Let Allah be the Judge, and never ever associating
        on the day of resurrection ourselves with Allah. Always mind our own business.
        respecting that in which you differ <-- no division (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335855#msg335855">42</a&gt
        (<a href="http//quran.com/22/67-69">2267-68</a&gt

        And do not argue
        with the People of the Scripture
        except in a way that is best
        except for those who commit injustice among them, and say

        "We believe in that which has been revealed to us
        and revealed to you
        And our God <-- Interesting! The issue is why Allah command us to say this to the disbelievers?
        and your God
        is one
        and we are Muslims to Him." <-- If obedience to Allah is not the real issue,
        (<a href="http//quran.com/29/46">2946</a&gt then what is the real issue in life?

        O you who believe!

        Be upright for Allah <-- just and balance (<a href="http//quran.com/3/67-68">367-68</a&gt
        bearers of witness with justice

        and let not hatred of a people
        incite you not to act equitably
        act equitably <-- being fair and impartial
        that is nearer to piety

        and be careful of (your duty to) Allah <-- obedience, while works toward achieving unity
        surely Allah is Aware of what you do <-- Allah knows who are the hypocrites and believers.
        (<a href="http//quran.com/5/8">58</a&gt

        It is also to observe that the Believer in "Sunnatullah" and "Unity", and the ?Nation of the Deen? is not necessarily the so-called Muslim.

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          Bender
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          I do not use anyone's translation. What are the differences between the two by the usages 1) A khalif and 2) My khalif. What are their functions?

          Salaamun alayka,

          "a successor" and "My successor" are not the same.
          Is there anyone who can succeed Allah?

          Is it quite possible you could have misunderstood while judging others. Definitely each one's understanding should be different and in each one his understanding varies between different moments.

          I don't judge you I only say what I think, like you are saying what you think. If you do not agree with me that is totally ok with me handshake

          Before that if only you had pondered the meanings of 297, 298 and the Malayika mentioned therein and the makayikas mentioned in 4131 & 32, you would have turned to Allah to pose this question and not to me. Surely He guides whom He wills. Unless you believe in Malayika, after belief in Allah and the Last Day, there is no way to understand the Book even and cannot believe in the prophets too. 2177. Believing in the Malayika is third pre-requisite to strengthen our IMAN.

          RED I do not understand. I am simply asking you a question like you asked me above this question "1) A khalif and 2) My khalif. What are their functions?"

          This place as become too crowded and distracting. I think we meet again at some place where there is less crowd.

          Salam

          handshake

          salaam,
          Bender

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            muslims
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            The Qur'an Alone or Allah Alone is no use for our salvation...

            Alhamdu -> All praises and thanks -> for what? -> how? -> prostrate to Adam (who? - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">7172</a&gt
            -> deen -> dayn -> creation is our "debt" -> debt settlement
            (root) (our burden of proof)
            -return with profit, or
            -return as bankrupt

            Then and when our debts are settled...

            lillahi rabbi alAAalameen -> (be) to Allah, the Lord of the universe.

            We will know what is the reality, universe and what is Allah. We are able to return our Shahada, and not as hypocrites; ie. those who will not benefit from the Shahada and no matter how many times he may have made that statement during his life.

            Then...

            Say Shall We inform you of the greatest losers in (their) deeds?

            (These are) they whose labor
            is lost in this world's life
            and they think
            that they are well versed in skill of the work of hands

            These are they who disbelieve
            in the communications of their Lord and His meeting
            so their deeds become null
            and therefore We will not set up a balance for them
            on the day of resurrection.

            Thus it is that their recompense is hell

            because they disbelieved
            and held My communications
            and My messengers
            in mockery
            (<a href="http//quran.com/18/103-106">18103-106</a&gt

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              #179

              that keep to obedience
              and be not divided therein

              Now the question....

              1. Can we claim more privilege than the Prophet?

              2. Can you prove that we are allowed to ignore the "DO NOT" prohibition
                and still entitle to call ourselves a Muslim?

              Indeed, those who deny Our verses
              and are arrogant toward them
              the gates of Heaven will not be opened for them
              nor will they enter Paradise
              until a camel enters into the eye of a needle
              And thus do We recompense the criminals
              (<a href="http//quran.com/7/40">740</a&gt

              It is impossible for a camel to enters into the eye of a needle.

              Therefore, it is impossible for <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335266#msg335266">people who (iqtiqad to) disobey Allah</a> to enter Paradise. (<a href="http//quran.com/4/17-18">417-18</a&gt

              Equally, it may also be impossible for them to be on the right path or receiving guidance from Allah.

              Such has been the course of Allah that has indeed run before
              and you shall not find a change in Allah's course
              (<a href="http//quran.com/48/23">4823</a&gt

              And We said
              "O Adam, dwell, you and your wife, in Paradise
              and eat therefrom in abundance from wherever you will
              But DO NOT approach this tree <-- The Sunnatullah?
              lest you be among the wrongdoers"

              But Satan caused them to slip out of it <-- Breach of Sunnatullah
              and removed them from that
              in which they had been

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                Surely this is indeed what is the evident trial
                (<a href="http//quran.com/37/106">37106</a&gt

                Do the people think
                that they will be left to say,
                "We believe"
                and they will not be tried?

                But We have certainly tried those before them
                and Allah will surely make evident
                those who are truthful
                and He will surely make evident
                the liars

                Or do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
                Evil is what they judge
                (<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a&gt

                Or do you think
                that you will enter Paradise
                while such has not yet come to you
                as came to those who passed on before you?

                They were touched by poverty
                and hardship
                and were shaken
                until messenger
                and those who believed with him said
                "When is the help of Allah ?"
                Unquestionably, the help of Allah is near
                (<a href="http//quran.com/2/214">2214</a&gt

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                  Islam For Dummies (With Chart)

                  Sorry... &

                  He has made plain to you <-- What is Islam
                  of the Din (l-dni)
                  what He enjoined upon Nuh
                  and that which We have revealed to you
                  and that which We enjoined upon Ibrahim
                  and Musa
                  and Isa
                  that keep to obedience
                  and be not divided therein

                  As per my present understanding ... to be rectified by Allah.

                  Life Purpose
                  (our test)
                  |
                  +--------------------------------------+
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                  Iman Amal
                  | |
                  Theoretical Practicality
                  | |
                  Minor Major
                  | |
                  100% Obedience Towards human unity
                  | |
                  Mind our own business No Compulsion
                  (only ourselves*) (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">Unconditional Freedom</a&gt
                  (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt (<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335750#msg335750">2256</a&gt
                  | |
                  "DO NOT ask" Just and Balance etc.
                  (<a href="http//quran.com/5/101">5101</a&gt (<a href="http//quran.com/16/90">1690</a&gt
                  |
                  as simplified as possible

                  Therefore, any time spent on other than the Deen of Islam is wasted.
                  It keeps us busy till the end of our life, but gets us to nowhere. (<a href="http//quran.com/18/103-106">18103-106</a&gt

                  (* There is no need to fulfill the jobs of a Messenger of Allah since the Book of Allah has been perfected. The Qur'an is perfect to represent the words of a Messenger, all ages. It is thus a deen (ours) and an exemplary leadership.)

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                    muslims
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                    "a successor" and "My successor" are not the same.
                    Is there anyone who can succeed Allah?

                    Salam Bender,

                    Sorry for interrupting but you are comparing Allah with Adam in a same category, and I just wondering where does it say in the Qur'an that Allah belongs to the category of a "Successor"?

                    This is so since this category or the word successor indicates that Allah "inherits" His authority or He can be replaced or substituted.

                    Nor is there to Him any equivalent. (1124)

                    I believe the word successor is referring to the following facts, They (angels) said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt. Thus, Adam (and his descendants) are part of His creation and which succeeds those who have come before them.

                    Peace brother.

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                      Alhamdu -> All praises and thanks -> for what? -> how? -> prostrate to Adam (who? - <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335753#msg335753">7172</a&gt
                      -> deen -> dayn -> creation is our "debt" -> debt settlement

                      What is good or bad?

                      The pleasure of healthiness are to those who are sick/disabled
                      The pleasure of prettiness are to those who are ugly
                      The pleasure of intellect are to those who are silly
                      The pleasure of hearing are to those who are deaf
                      The pleasure of talking are to those who are dumb
                      The pleasure of vision are to those who are blind
                      The pleasure of being rich are to those who are poor
                      The pleasure of eating are to those who are starving
                      and so on...
                      and it will increase or decrease accordingly... just and balance.

                      Therefore, it makes no difference of becoming rich, poor or etc (illusion),
                      but all these are related to our level of self satisfaction and "Alhamdu";
                      i.e. fulfillment of Deen, raising or decreasing our awareness to our duty (Deen/Dayn/Debt/Duty <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">and...</a&gt.

                      Why are there so many species of bacteria?
                      Why is there so many dust?
                      Why do we sweat?
                      and so as all other problems we are facing today.
                      Allah Alone or reading Qur'an Alone will not solve this problem, it is "Theoretical" in nature.

                      It is the fulfillment of "Alhamdu" that will lead us to real success (believe and do righteous deeds).

                      except for those who believe and do righteous deeds - and few are they.
                      (<a href="http//quran.com/38/24">3824</a&gt

                      Say, "It is He who has produced you
                      and made for you
                      hearing
                      and vision
                      and hearts
                      little are you grateful."
                      (<a href="http//quran.com/67/23">6723</a&gt
                      (description not necessarily related to the Qur'an)

                      And when your Lord proclaimed
                      'If you are grateful
                      I will surely increase you
                      but if you deny
                      indeed, My punishment is severe.'
                      (<a href="http//quran.com/14/7">147</a&gt

                      Indeed, Allah will not change the condition of a people
                      until they change what is in themselves
                      (<a href="http//quran.com/13/11-106">1311</a&gt

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                        muslims
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                        He has made plain to you <-- What is Islam
                        of the Din (l-dni)

                        An example of deen

                        Ashoka provide a platform for people dedicated to changing the world.

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                        Islamic Aid

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                        The Story of Islamic Aid
                        by Mahmood Hassan, Founder and Chairman of Islamic Aid

                        I was born and brought up in some of the most deprived areas of Pakistan. During my childhood, I once lived with my grandparents in village 114/15-L, near Mianchannun. My village did not have a school. Each morning I set off on my journey to a neighbouring village so I could go to school. Aged only eight years I walked more than 7km every day so I could receive an education. There were no roads at all ? just a dirt track. The landscape was baron ? and not the green backdrop which is there today. My journey to and from school.

                        Not only was the journey hot and dusty, it was filled with fear. At such a young age I had no idea who ? or what ? I would encounter on the way to school, something, I believe, no child should encounter, something that has stayed with me 36 years on, something I do not want other children to encounter.

                        But I was one of the lucky ones; while not from a very rich family we were not steeped in poverty. I was able to do extremely well in my studies; always secured top positions and won Gold Medals, merit scholarships in almost all my exams.

                        This was in MBA from Bahauddin Zakariya University, Multan that I secured first position throughout the university and won Gold Medal and Government of Pakistan merit scholarship for studies abroad, that enabled me to come to the UK for studies. I did my MBA from Imperial College, University of London. I initially worked as a lecturer in Marketing and Strategic Management at the same university and later in the commercial sector.

                        It was in 1993-94, during the Bosnian crisis, that I became interested in charities working for the cause at that time. This then led me to initially volunteer and later work in the sector for a few years.

                        Beginnings of Islamic Aid

                        When I started my own business in 1998 and felt settled, I knew I wanted to give something back to my community. I knew I didn?t want others to face the same hardships I had, not to face the same fears I did on my long journey to school ? and on the way home. I started a school in my village to help provide children quality education, free of fear and on their door-step. It was here that the seeds of Islamic Aid were sown, a charity that has gone from strength to strength, helping tens of thousands of children in parts of Asia, Africa and Europe access quality education, health-care and the skills and means to their parents so they can earn a decent living. First school I established in my village.

                        I established Islamic Aid in 2000. I wanted to use my business expertise and experience of the charity sector to give something back to the community I had once belonged.

                        Yet during the charity?s infancy of its first year, the world watched in horror as we saw terrorist attacks in New York, where families were devastated as people lost their lives in the twin tower attacks.

                        Understandably, this was a difficult time for Muslim charities ? both established and new ? as the media and public began to question why they existed. Such charities were viewed with suspicion as people questioned what activities they may be funding.

                        For me personally, things did not end there. As the twin-towers collapsed so did one of my major business projects; that was set to be launched in November 2001 to offer Islamic banking in the UK and internationally. From the position of having a very robust business plan, very supportive business partnerships and venture capital in place and a forecast of more than ?500 million under management in 4th year, I saw everything melted away in the tide of opinion against anything Islamic. While it was a big disaster for me and my business, for Islamic Aid it probably was a major turning point that I was able to give my increased attention to the charity.

                        While internationally it was very difficult time to run a charity with Islamic name, but it made me more determined to succeed and to show the importance of helping poor communities, many of whom had little idea of what the world may be thinking.

                        Today, alhamdullilah, I have my own successful business; Islamic Aid is growing very fast ? already achieved an annual turnover of ?3.3 million and recruited 67,000 donors; have established Islamic Aid in the US and we continue to expand our support to projects in parts of Africa, Asia and Europe. These successes also enabled me to support as a Trustee the cause of poverty alleviation through other charities like Practical Action, (www.practicalaction.org) and Pakistan Foundation. And, I want every child in the world to be successful.

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                          muslims
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                          +--------------------------------------+
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                          Minor Major
                          | |
                          100% Obedience Towards human unity

                          Why human unity is of primary importance to achieve the objective of "Successorship"?

                          Proof?

                          Because on the matter of earth and creation
                          Allah commands the angels and Iblees to prostrate to Adam (human - successorship)
                          Both are prostrating to Allah.

                          Elements

                          1. Allah's command
                            (The objective of Allah's command in its context is related to the importance of successorship.
                            So as the Qur'an, where almost the whole content is about humanity and other living creatures
                            on earth; ie. successorship. The Qur'an is not about Allah, but it is about His creations.)

                          2. Adam (human - successorship)

                          Facts

                          1. Angels prostrate to human (successorship) -> Representing the Believers
                            (Initially they question Allah's command - 2.30)

                          2. Iblees refused to prostrate to successorship -> Representing the Disbelievers
                            "..Iblees. He refused
                            and was arrogant
                            and became of the disbelievers.." (2.34)

                          Compared to today's world, which category we belongs to?
                          ie. where more than 90% or 100% is about Allah and less than 10% about humanity as a whole.

                          What does Adam represent?

                          Human ... all of us and regardless of religion, background, caste, race, socio-economic background etc.

                          And when your Lord
                          took from the children of Adam
                          from their loins
                          their descendants
                          and made them testify of themselves
                          , "Am I not your Lord?"
                          They said, "Yes, we have testified."

                          • lest you should say on the day of Resurrection
                            "Indeed, we were of this unaware"
                            (7172)

                          Conclusion

                          The objective is not about Allah, and no one knows what is Allah,
                          "..Nor is there to Him any equivalent.." (112.4)

                          The importance of obedience to Allah is primarily relevant to the matter of achieving human unity.

                          Hablum Minallah towards achieving Hablum Minannas
                          as a whole and this is the Deen of Islam (vs. Religion of Islam -> Allah Alone for our salvation).

                          +----------------------------------+
                          | |
                          Minor Major
                          | |
                          100% Obedience -> -> -> Towards human unity
                          (Theoretical) (Practicality)

                          The Qur'an Alone or Allah Alone is no use for our salvation...

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                            Facts comparison

                            Argument

                            What is good or bad?
                            ...
                            and so on...
                            and it will increase or decrease accordingly... just and balance.

                            Therefore, it makes no difference of becoming rich, poor or etc (illusion),
                            but all these are related to our level of self satisfaction and "Alhamdu";
                            i.e. fulfillment of Deen, raising or decreasing our awareness to our duty (Deen/Dayn/Debt/Duty <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335480#msg335480">and...</a&gt.

                            Why are there so many species of bacteria?
                            Why is there so many dust?
                            Why do we sweat?
                            and so as all other problems we are facing today.
                            Allah Alone or reading Qur'an Alone will not solve this problem, it is "Theoretical" in nature.

                            It is the fulfillment of "Alhamdu" that will lead us to real success (believe and do righteous deeds).

                            Example

                            The Story of Islamic Aid
                            by Mahmood Hassan, Founder and Chairman of Islamic Aid

                            I was born and brought up in some of the most deprived areas of Pakistan. During my childhood, I once lived with my grandparents in village 114/15-L, near Mianchannun. My village did not have a school. Each morning I set off on my journey to a neighbouring village so I could go to school. Aged only eight years I walked more than 7km every day so I could receive an education. There were no roads at all ? just a dirt track. The landscape was baron ? and not the green backdrop which is there today. My journey to and from school.

                            Not only was the journey hot and dusty, it was filled with fear. At such a young age I had no idea who ? or what ? I would encounter on the way to school, something, I believe, no child should encounter, something that has stayed with me 36 years on, something I do not want other children to encounter.

                            Consequence - Duty Awareness "Program"

                            I want every child in the world to be successful.

                            Human Life = Duty Awareness Program = Deen of Islam

                            Qur'an = Introductory Book = Manual = Guidance

                            The example of those
                            who were entrusted with the Torah
                            and then did not take it on
                            is like that
                            of a donkey
                            who carries volumes
                            Wretched is the example of the people
                            who deny
                            the signs of Allah
                            And Allah does not guide
                            the wrongdoing people
                            (625)

                            Say, "It is He who has produced you
                            and made for you
                            hearing
                            and vision
                            and hearts
                            little are you grateful."
                            (6723)

                            Some thoughts and from the Duty Awareness Program, can each of us discover our life purpose?

                            The one that Allah want us to be and easy for us to be successful?

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                              Facts comparison

                              Argument

                              Example

                              Consequence - Duty Awareness "Program"

                              Human Life = Duty Awareness Program = Deen of Islam

                              Qur'an = Introductory Book = Manual = Guidance

                              The example of those
                              who were entrusted with the Torah
                              and then did not take it on
                              is like that
                              of a donkey
                              who carries volumes
                              Wretched is the example of the people
                              who deny
                              the signs of Allah
                              And Allah does not guide
                              the wrongdoing people
                              (625)

                              Say, "It is He who has produced you
                              and made for you
                              hearing
                              and vision
                              and hearts
                              little are you grateful."
                              (6723)

                              Some thoughts and from the Duty Awareness Program, can each of us discover our life purpose?

                              The one that Allah want us to be and easy for us to be successful?

                              Peace Brother,

                              Salam. Its a just a discussion and not fault findings and I am wrong too, only Allah knows.

                              Your Posts carry too much Advertisement and for the Heart it does nothing. I mean intuitions and Truth.
                              Can you make people to Muslims by Movement or by Aid etc ?. They think they are doing good things but actually the People change ?
                              Are you preaching Islam 5 times Prayer ? Is that so you are following ? Does it bring results ?
                              Can u explain practically what your aid does ?.

                              Whats is your Quran Ayaths related to Movements?. The Book has the solutions for everything.

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                                Peace Brother,

                                Salam. Its a just a discussion and not fault findings and I am wrong too, only Allah knows.

                                Your Posts carry too much Advertisement and for the Heart it does nothing. I mean intuitions and Truth.
                                Can you make people to Muslims by Movement or by Aid etc ?. They think they are doing good things but actually the People change ?
                                Are you preaching Islam 5 times Prayer ? Is that so you are following ? Does it bring results ?
                                Can u explain practically what your aid does ?.

                                Whats is your Quran Ayaths related to Movements?. The Book has the solutions for everything.

                                Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                                No offense intended, but I don't quite understand what is your point.

                                Peace brother.

                                What is wrong with "benefiting humanity" or even a "group to benefit humanity"?

                                There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".

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                                  what is islam?
                                  http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm

                                  All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                                    what is islam?
                                    http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm

                                    Quite simply, it is a book all about us, discussing our creation, purpose, history, spirituality, psyche, life's big questions, justice, governance etc. It is a guide on how to realise our potential, individually and collectively, if one chooses to seek this path; http//www.misconceptions-about-islam.com/more.htm

                                    Thanks

                                    (The objective of Allah's command in its context is related to the importance of successorship.
                                    So as the Qur'an, where almost the whole content is about humanity and other living creatures
                                    on earth; ie. successorship. The Qur'an is not about Allah, but it is about His creations.)

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                                      <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335950#msg335950">Pleasure</a> appears good but we cannot ignore reasoning about what is really good; according to the Qur'an - "I know that which you do not know" (<a href="http//quran.com/2/30">230</a&gt.

                                      For the above reason we are able to say that there is a deep connection between "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335950#msg335950">pleasure</a>" (from good or bad) and the Qur'an. The understanding of this connection depends entirely on our ability to understand life as explained in the Qur'an ... to understand the Qur'an objectively, i.e. successorship and towards human unity (Adam).

                                      Say He has power to send torment on you
                                      from above
                                      or from under your feet
                                      or to cover you with confusion in party strife
                                      and make you to taste
                                      the violence of one another <- against unity
                                      See how variously We explain the Ayat
                                      so that they may understand.
                                      (<a href="http//quran.com/6/65">665</a&gt

                                      Thus it is reasonable to claim our life is the "Dictionary" for the Qur'an and it requires fulfillment of certain conditions before we are able to use our dictionary. It requires us to shut off the "<a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335263#msg335263">gods and ulemas inside us</a>" (shirk).

                                      Have you seen
                                      he who has taken as his god his desire
                                      and Allah has sent him astray due to knowledge
                                      and has set a seal
                                      upon his hearing
                                      and his heart
                                      and put over his vision a veil?
                                      So who will guide him after Allah?
                                      Then will you not be reminded?
                                      (<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a&gt

                                      Indeed, IT IS A NOBLE QURAN.
                                      In a protected Book. <- Dictionary -> our life experiences
                                      None can grasp it
                                      except
                                      those purified (<a href="http//quran.com/9/28">from polytheism</a&gt
                                      (<a href="http//quran.com/56/77-79">5677-79</a&gt

                                      The ability to shut off the gods and ulemas inside ourselves depends on "Spiritual", Spirit and Ritual.

                                      Spirit the nonphysical part of a person that is the seat of emotions and character; the soul.

                                      Ritual a religious or solemn ceremony consisting of a series of actions performed according
                                      to a prescribed order.

                                      So much so that our physical bodies need foods to survive, "Spiritual" is the foods for our souls.

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                                        The Flow of Ideas

                                        Basically, Shirk relates to "ideas" that are inconsistent and against the ideas in the Qur'an. It is the "gods and ulamas inside ourselves" that count. Nothing can harm our relationship with Allah if we are not accepting these inconsistent "ideas" (<a href="http//quran.com/5/105">5105</a&gt.

                                        Consequence Self Acceptance Human Ideas Self Action (Conduct)
                                        vs. Qur'an Ideas

                                        No Shirk <- Internal Self <- Consistent <- Prophet Sulaiman build statues
                                        (Acceptance) Ideas for communication (<a href="http//quran.com/34/10-16">3410-16</a&gt

                                        Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Stone as God
                                        (Acceptance) Ideas

                                        Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Fire as God
                                        (Acceptance) Ideas

                                        Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Shiva as God
                                        (Acceptance) Ideas

                                        Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Worship Jesus as God
                                        (Acceptance) Ideas

                                        Shirk <- Internal Self <- Inconsistent <- Follow the Ulama (Arbab)
                                        (Acceptance) Ideas (<a href="http//quran.com/3/150">3150</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/3/64">364</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/17/56-57">1756-57</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/23/47">2347</a&gt(<a href="http//quran.com/40/29">4029</a&gt
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                                        Gods & Ulamas (<a href="http//quran.com/45/23">4523</a&gt
                                        (Personal Adviser)
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                                        Level for Determination
                                        http//static1.cargurus.com/gfx/cargurus/inventorylistings/circle_arrow_up_green_small.gif
                                        "..Allah has not put for any man two hearts inside his body.." (<a href="http//quran.com/33/4">334</a&gt
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                                        Heart

                                        Therefore, the gods and ulamas are within ourselves. It is the "ideas" that are inconsistent with the Qur'anic Ideas.

                                        Therefore our primary question in life is how far we are able to control the ideas within ourselves?

                                        For the sake of testing ourselves and to realize the gods and ulamas inside ourselves, try to stop eating, drinking and sleeping for 3 straight days (72 hours). Are we able to achieve this target or we are still hypocrites? This is not suggested by the Qur'an, and only a simple self-test to prove the existence of gods and ulamas inside ourselves. A simple test to realize the flow of ideas within ourselves and how far we are able to control these ideas.

                                        Do the people think
                                        that they will be left to say,
                                        "We believe"
                                        and they will not be tried?

                                        But We have certainly tried those before them
                                        and Allah will surely make evident
                                        those who are truthful
                                        and He will surely make evident
                                        the liars

                                        Or do those who do evil deeds think they can outrun Us?
                                        Evil is what they judge
                                        (<a href="http//quran.com/29/2-4">292-4</a&gt

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                                          Islam For Dummies (With Chart)

                                          The Flow of Ideas
                                          Continue from <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335472#msg335472">1</a> and <a href="http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605723.msg335571#msg335571">2</a>

                                          http//s16.postimg.org/h375brtmt/venns.png

                                          Thus "Just and Balance" has no religion, it is our way of life..

                                          It is "Islam"

                                          It is also the main element of every religion, and to a certain extent

                                          • Buddha is promoting just and balance (water)
                                          • Christian is promoting just and balance (air)
                                          • Hindu is promoting just and balance (fire)
                                          • Sunni religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
                                          • Shia religion is promoting just and balance (fire)
                                          • Judaism is promoting just and balance (earth)
                                          • Atheism is promoting just and balance (water)
                                          • Everyone and every religion is promoting just and balance

                                          Nonetheless, what went wrong?

                                          Why these religions disregarding the element of "just and balance" in other religion?

                                          It is because of "religion" .. the "God Alone" (Allah Alone) concept ... this is Religion.

                                          Striving what is "just and balance" to their personal religion, and not as a whole..

                                          Every religion and sects are striving for what is right and wrong on each separate element
                                          ...
                                          Based on the above, all of them are right.. but only to certain extent.

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