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What is Islam?

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    DrGm
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    peace Man of Faith, muslims, all

    these few posts confirms me my view that maths and its numbers (0,1) are taught by bad jinns for the state of pride. maths will not make us individual. only make us groups/sects by comparing. also, maths is used to mislead from right to wrong making to believe wrong as right.

    where as good doesn't need any numerical values. Good is Good.

    Salam DrGm,

    When we were born, we have no knowledge of Allah's existence.

    i believe by birth we have wisdom from Allah. when we identify us with our mother, father, brother, sister, grandfather, grandmother, uncle, aunt, friend, etc. we start loosing our wisdom from Allah. what we search in later days as knowledge is the wisdom we lost got from birth/Adam.

    peace

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      peace Man of Faith, muslims, all

      these few posts confirms me my view that maths and its numbers (0,1) are taught by bad jinns for the state of pride. maths will not make us individual. only make us groups/sects by comparing. also, maths is used to mislead from right to wrong making to believe wrong as right.

      where as good doesn't need any numerical values. Good is Good.

      Salam DrGm,

      For religious people, maybe yes..

      But I believe there is nothing wrong with numbers.. so as statues, and even Satan and Iblees.

      It is all there for "just and balance"

      To teach us what is just and balance (Sunnatullah)

      To guide us to Allah

      Allah The Just, Al-`Adl (&#1604

      and to make us a Khalif.

      For example;

      Love whether it's good or bad?

      Misguidance?

      Sura Al-Hijr and Al-Qalam

      Premise 1 Allah only misguides the Disbelievers.

      So leave Me and him who rejects this announcement
      We will overtake them by degrees
      from whence they perceive not
      And I do bear with them, surely My plan is firm
      (<a href="http//quran.com/68/44-45">6844-45</a&gt

      Premise 2 Iblees only misguides the Disbelievers.

      He said My Lord! because Thou hast made life evil to me
      I will certainly make (evil) fair-seeming to them on earth
      and I will certainly cause them all to deviate
      EXCEPT Thy servants from among them, the devoted ones.
      (<a href="http//quran.com/15/39-41">3941</a&gt

      Therefore Iblees_____________________________ ?

      Therefore Islam is not about good or bad, right or wrong... (eg. story Khidr and Musa)

      Islam is about a way of life that is just and balance for all living creatures.

      Peace.

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        muslims
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        What is "Sirat al-Mustaqim"?

        It is the line between good and bad.. right and wrong... etc.

        ie. Just and Balance, the path of a Khalif

        And become dust dispersing
        And you become three kinds

        Then the companions of the right <-- Good, right, etc., (followers)
        what are the companions of the right?

        And the companions of the left <-- Bad, wrong, etc., (followers)
        what are the companions of the left?

        And the forerunners, the forerunners <-- "Sirat al-Mustaqim," Khalif, Prophets, etc., (leaders).
        Those are the ones brought near
        In the Gardens of Pleasure
        (<a href="http//quran.com/56/6-12">566-12</a&gt

        The path of those upon whom You have bestowed favor
        not of those who have evoked anger
        or of those who are astray
        (<a href="http//quran.com/1/7">17</a&gt

        So it doesn't really matter if we are right (companions of the right) or wrong (companions of the left)

        What matters most?

        "Sirat al-Mustaqim" ..

        "Just and Balance" for all living creatures .. the path of a Khalif

        Din of Islam.

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          huruf
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          sirat al mustaqim, as far as I can understand is the ascendant path back to Divinity. All destiny is back to the Divine source. The straighter path to God, the srtaighter ascendant path back to God. That is what God teaches in his revelations the straightr path back to Him.

          Salaam

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            muslims
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            Inna lillahi wa inna ilaihi raji'un

            ?We indeed belong to God, and we indeed toward Him are returning.?

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              drfazl
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              Just and Balance, the path of a Khalif

              "Just and Balance" for all living creatures .. the path of a Khalif

              Din of Islam.

              Peace muslims,

              What is the duty of a Khalifa? And what is Khalifa?

              "Just and Balance"?

              Just is not balance; and balance is not just.

              Will you define the two terms "Just" and "balance"?

              And just and balance for " all living creatures" ... the path of khalif?

              Please define this knotty jumble of jargon.

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                hawk99
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                Peace,

                What is Islam?

                A monotheistic religion characterized by the acceptance of the doctrine of submission to
                God based on the fact that the Quran is the last scripture that supersedes all preceding
                scriptures and Muhammad as the last prophet of God, adherents to Islam are named Muslims.

                1.Shahadah (belief or confession of faith)
                2.Salat (worship in the form of prayer)
                3.Sawm Ramadan (fasting during the month of Ramadan)
                4.Zakat (alms or charitable giving)
                5.Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime if he/she is able to do.

                God bless

                peace

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                  muslims
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                  Peace muslims,

                  What is the duty of a Khalifa? And what is Khalifa?

                  "Just and Balance"?

                  Just is not balance; and balance is not just.

                  Will you define the two terms "Just" and "balance"?

                  And just and balance for " all living creatures" ... the path of khalif?

                  Please define this knotty jumble of jargon.

                  Salam drfazl,

                  Khalifa

                  The duty of a Khalifa is to manage the earth and primarily; as a negotiator, mediator and conciliator, bringing balance and justice to the whole society and avoiding corruption on earth.

                  Just and Balance (Sunnatullah)

                  I'm going to give its functional definition; ie. To apply the Qur'an and balance the "maslahat" (good) and "mudharat" (bad) to the society according to its awwaliyah (priority) and to the right people, at the right place and right time. The end result of all this is justice.

                  Other than that?

                  What is our first duty?

                  Duty to understand message of the Qur'an.

                  Message that will guide us to what is "balance" and "just".

                  Wherever there is an element of "balance", then there will be justice.

                  Don't stand up for the law, majority, right, wrong etc.. these are "ideas" .. illusions.

                  But stand up for what is just and balance... Sunnatullah. These are "reality".

                  Accordingly, I cannot guide you, no one can. (<a href="http//quran.com/40/33">4033</a&gt

                  The concept of "just and balance" are flexible.

                  Changing according to the people, time and situation etc.

                  Balance between the maslahat and mudharat, and its awwaliyah (eg. Khidr).

                  Thus, it is only Allah that can guide you.

                  Please correct me if I'm wrong, or if I have missed something.

                  Peace

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                    muslims
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                    Peace,

                    What is Islam?

                    A monotheistic religion characterized by the acceptance of the doctrine of submission to
                    God based on the fact that the Quran is the last scripture that supersedes all preceding
                    scriptures and Muhammad as the last prophet of God, adherents to Islam are named Muslims.

                    1.Shahadah (belief or confession of faith)
                    2.Salat (worship in the form of prayer)
                    3.Sawm Ramadan (fasting during the month of Ramadan)
                    4.Zakat (alms or charitable giving)
                    5.Hajj (the pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime if he/she is able to do.

                    God bless

                    peace

                    Salam hawk99,

                    I've read the hadith for the Pillars of Islam and believe it is a fabricated hadith.

                    Why? Because the answer is inconsistent with the Qur'an.

                    The true pillar of Islam is, "iqtiqad" to obey or disobey Allah...

                    Obedience or Disobedience.

                    This what differentiate between a Muslim and Non-Muslim.

                    Peace.

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                      hawk99
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                      Peace muslims,

                      Salam hawk99,

                      I've read the hadith for the Pillars of Islam and believe it is a fabricated hadith.

                      Why? Because the answer is inconsistent with the Qur'an.

                      The true pillar of Islam is, "iqtiqad" to obey or disobey Allah...

                      Obedience or Disobedience.

                      This what differentiate between a Muslim and Non-Muslim.

                      Peace.

                      Disagree handshake

                      God bless

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                        muslims
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                        Peace muslims,

                        Disagree handshake

                        God bless

                        Salam hawk99,

                        Then I hope to hear your comment on this

                        And DO NOT eat of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
                        and that is most surely a transgression
                        and most surely the Shaitans suggest to their friends that they should contend with you
                        and if you obey them, you (Muhammad) shall most surely be polytheists. (6121)

                        For a simple reason of eating of that on which Allah's name has not been mentioned
                        Even the Prophet would become associator, ie. not a Muslim
                        Despite the syahadah, salat, fasting, zakat and sadaqah, hajj, jihad etc.......
                        Prophet Muhammad will not be a Muslim if disobey the "DO NOT" prohibition (breach of contract).

                        Now the question....

                        1. Can we claim more privilege than the Prophet?

                        2. Can you prove that we are allowed to ignore the "DO NOT" prohibition
                          and still entitle to call ourselves a Muslim?

                        Peace.

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                          drfazl
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                          Salam drfazl,

                          Khalifa

                          The duty of a Khalifa is to manage the earth and primarily; as a negotiator, mediator and conciliator, bringing balance and justice to the whole society and avoiding corruption on earth.

                          Salam muslims,

                          Let me be done with Khalifa first.

                          Allah had said He would place man His Khalifa on earth who shall know the truth of the heavens and the earth and everything in between by intuition from Him and has governing authority over them by His leave; and He had not mentioned who that man is; and who that one could be; and we do not know until Allah reveals if any man had attained that state yet. And it is not for us to choose even a leader in islam, leave alone khalifa.

                          The prophets and the messengers came with the Signs of Allah, from heavens down to earth; but then almost all of them were belied and denied by the rejectors and spoiled every efforts at conciliation, mediation and negotiation to the point that they drove even the Prophet Nuh to plead with Allah to destroy the world full of such sort of people. And this too is sunnatullah. This is justice, upholding the balance between the skies down to earth pleading and interceding with Allah.

                          The point is we would never know unless that time comes who Allah would reveal as His Khalifa on earth and when it happens we would know him too as we know our own kinsfolk.

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                            muslims
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                            Salam muslims,

                            Let me be done with Khalifa first.

                            Allah had said He would place man His Khalifa on earth who shall know the truth of the heavens and the earth and everything in between by intuition from Him and has governing authority over them by His leave; and He had not mentioned who that man is; and who that one could be; and we do not know until Allah reveals if any man had attained that state yet. And it is not for us to choose even a leader in islam, leave alone khalifa.

                            The prophets and the messengers came with the Signs of Allah, from heavens down to earth; but then almost all of them were belied and denied by the rejectors and spoiled every efforts at conciliation, mediation and negotiation to the point that they drove even the Prophet Nuh to plead with Allah to destroy the world full of such sort of people. And this too is sunnatullah. This is justice, upholding the balance between the skies down to earth pleading and interceding with Allah.

                            The point is we would never know unless that time comes who Allah would reveal as His Khalifa on earth and when it happens we would know him too as we know our own kinsfolk.

                            Salam drfazl,

                            There is nothing in the definition or any of my post suggesting who is the Khalifa and we don't need heroes or Islamic government to practice Islam. Neither did I suggest for the formation of any entity, government or Khalifa institution etc. My discussion is focusing on identifying the Din of Islam, its objective and how we can improve "ourselves". We cannot change others, we can only change ourselves. Islam is not a religion, but Islam is a way of life (Din) ... Our way of life, not others.

                            Peace.

                            A Muslim must now learn how to become Negotiator, Mediator and Conciliator. There is no religion and it is not about to spread Islam, since Islam is not a religion. It is about to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society. It's about benefiting humanity, kindness to His creation and giving to relatives. This is how people from different backgrounds and traditions are able to accept Islam by our Prophet Muhammad pbuh. Unconditional acceptance (respect) of world religious practices and balancing what is just to every living creatures. This is "Din of Islam".

                            p/s and we do not need the Muslim identities or anything associating with "Islam" to spread peace, harmony and unity in the society etc.

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                              jhonsonmustafa
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                              peace Man of Faith, muslims, all

                              these few posts confirms me my view that maths and its numbers (0,1) are taught by bad jinns for the state of pride. maths will not make us individual. only make us groups/sects by comparing. also, maths is used to mislead from right to wrong making to believe wrong as right.

                              where as good doesn't need any numerical values. Good is Good.

                              i believe by birth we have wisdom from Allah. when we identify us with our mother, father, brother, sister, grandfather, grandmother, uncle, aunt, friend, etc. we start loosing our wisdom from Allah. what we search in later days as knowledge is the wisdom we lost got from birth/Adam.

                              peace

                              Good. Hats Off. God Bless You.

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                                jhonsonmustafa
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                                The point is we would never know unless that time comes who Allah would reveal as His Khalifa on earth and when it happens we would know him too as we know our own kinsfolk.

                                This is called Sujd Being humble before GOD and waiting and seeking Patience for Wisdom. I think most of the Prophets followed for example Prophet Yacub. And Allah teaches in a way HE extends shadow.

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                                  muslims
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                                  The time will never come.

                                  The Book of Allah has been completed, and there are no more heroes to come and saves us.

                                  Wishful thinking.

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                                    jhonsonmustafa
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                                    The time will never come.

                                    The Book of Allah has been completed, and there are no more heroes to come and saves us.

                                    Wishful thinking.

                                    Peace Brother,

                                    Quran connects Past,Present and Future. There is always Messenger till last days. Allah says there is always Messenger.

                                    445
                                    surely We have been sending Messengers

                                    497
                                    And know that among you is the Messenger of Allah

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                                      muslims
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                                      Peace Brother,

                                      Quran connects Past,Present and Future. There is always Messenger till last days. Allah says there is always Messenger.

                                      445
                                      surely We have been sending Messengers

                                      497
                                      And know that among you is the Messenger of Allah

                                      Salam jhonsonmustafa,

                                      What is the meaning of "Messenger"?

                                      What is the "Message of Allah"?

                                      Peace.

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                                        DrGm
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                                        The time will never come.

                                        The Book of Allah has been completed, and there are no more heroes to come and saves us.

                                        Wishful thinking.

                                        peace,

                                        4034 - ...ye said Allah will not send any messenger after him.

                                        445 - Lo! We are ever sending messengers -

                                        497 - And know that among you is the Messenger of Allah...

                                        7711 - and when the messengers appointed time has come...

                                        Allah's words are true and everlasting.

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                                          muslims
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                                          peace,

                                          4034 - ...ye said Allah will not send any messenger after him.

                                          445 - Lo! We are ever sending messengers -

                                          497 - And know that among you is the Messenger of Allah...

                                          7711 - and when the messengers appointed time has come...

                                          Allah's words are true and everlasting.

                                          Salam DrGm,

                                          Please don't quote the Qur'an out of its context.

                                          For example

                                          And know that among you is Allah's Messenger were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune But Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion such indeed are those who walk in righteousness (497)

                                          Whom does Allah refer to in the words "to you" and "your"?

                                          Peace brother.

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