:: Ma Malakat Aymaanukum - مَا مَلَکَتۡ اَیۡمَانُکُمۡ ::
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Thanks for your input.
Red I am aware of it. I know it is not complete. Another word like "keys" in 2461 can be added after . Let me give an example
Instead of
__________ can be written.
Blank space is to add a word for slave or whatever.I am talking about the pattern used in 2461 as
This clearly shows your authority unlike where the authority of your right hand is mentioned, and not your authority.Hope this is clear now what I am trying to say, inshaAllah.
BTW, what Parvez believes and what Qadiyani believes has nothing to do with us.
They will answer for what they did and we have to answer for our deeds.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan]__________ The subject of the verb is suffixed; second person plural. Next will come the object of verb to complete the sentence since the verb is transitive. It will signify possession of an object and not authority.
You are saying the same thing but argument-example is not valid because if you place AnNisa as its object it will patently be incorrect sentence since women are not objects.By using the feminine verb with subject helps that it has nothing to do with possession of objects but exercise of authority and inseparable responsibility.
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In the Bible
Among the Israelites, men commonly acknowledged their concubines, and such women enjoyed the same rights in the house as legitimate wives. The principal difference in the Bible between a wife and a concubine is that wives had dowries, while concubines did not.
The concubine may not have commanded the same respect and inviolability as the wife. In the Levitical rules on sexual relations, the Hebrew word that is commonly translated as "wife" is distinct from the Hebrew word that means "concubine". (However, on at least one other occasion the term is used to refer to a woman who is not a wife - specifically, the handmaiden of Jacob's wife.) In the Levitical code, sexual intercourse between a man and a wife of a different man was forbidden and punishable by death for both persons involved. The Bible notes several incidents of intercourse between a man and another man's concubine, and none of them resulted in capital punishment for either party, although the man to whom the concubine belonged was dishonored by such a relationship. For instance, David is portrayed as having been dishonored when his concubines had a sexual relationship with his son Absalom.
Because it was regarded as the highest blessing to have many children, legitimate wives often gave their maids to their husbands to atone, at least in part, if they were barren, as in the cases of Sarah and Hagar, and Rachel and Bilhah. The children of the concubine had equal rights with those of the legitimate wife; for example, King Abimelech was the son of Gideon and his concubine. Later biblical figures such as Gideon, and Solomon had concubines in addition to many childbearing wives. For example, the Books of Kings say that Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
In Judaism
In Judaism, concubines are referred to by the Hebrew term pilegesh. The term is a non-Hebrew, non-Semitic loanword derived from the Greek word, pallakis, Greek , meaning "a mistress staying in house".
According to the Babylonian Talmud, the difference between a concubine and a full wife was that the latter received a marriage contract (Hebrewketubah) and her marriage (nissu'in) was preceded by a formal betrothal (erusin). Neither was the case for a concubine. One opinion in the Jerusalem Talmud argues that the concubine should also receive a marriage contract, but without a clause specifying a divorce settlement.
Certain Jewish thinkers, such as Maimonides, believed that concubines were strictly reserved for kings, and thus that a commoner may not have a concubine. Indeed, such thinkers argued that commoners may not engage in any type of sexual relations outside of a marriage. Even before Maimonides' assertions, Sunni Muslims officially prohibited mutah (i.e., temporary marriage) relationships. Some commentators have suggested that Maimonides changed his view in response to the Sunni prohibition, just as Gershom ben Judah banned polygamy after Christians prohibited the practice.
Maimonides was not the first Jewish thinker to criticise concubinage. For example, Leviticus Rabbah severely condemns the custom. Other Jewish thinkers, such as Nahmanides, Samuel ben Uri Shraga Phoebus, and Jacob Emden, strongly objected to the idea that concubines should be forbidden.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concubinage
It probably was a popular practice among the Jews of Medina and many Arabs of Medina might also have practiced it. Later Islamic authorities attached that meaning with slaves to legalize slavery and rape.
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Bigmo,
You reject Hadiths but cited Bible and Talmud to prove your arguments that ma malakat aymanukum means concubines.
Can you please read verse 425?
Regards,
Yuliana -
Bigmo,
You reject Hadiths but cited Bible and Talmud to prove your arguments that ma malakat aymanukum means concubines.
Can you please read verse 425?
Regards,
YulianaThat verse has been dealt with here many times and has been discussed many times. I have not heard an argument that fits the verses of the Quran than the one i cited. Its a Jewish tradition and the Quran did not encourage that form of marriage but a concubine is still an oath between two parties but there is no real protection for women. Anyways this practice in Arab countries are called "urfi marriages" where a marriage takes place by oath only with no dowry or place of living usually by people who are poor. The Quran encourages marriage like this to be elevated by ensuring financial protection and informing family members. Its also said that a women should be able to have the contract if she asked for it. Often men tear that contract and throw it away claiming there was no relationship especially when the women gets pregnant.
ikah 'urfi is a kind of Muslim marriage. It is similar to the Nikah ceremony. An 'urfi marriage is a marriage without an official contract. Couples repeat the words, "We got married" and pledge commitment before God. Usually a paper, stating that the two are married, is written and two witnesses sign it. Most Islamic countries do not recognize 'Urfi marriages and no partner can get a 'legal' divorce since the government does not recognize the legality of the marriage in the first place.
Urfi (Arabic ي comes from the Arabic word 'Urf, which means custom, convention, or a customary act. Urfi is not very common, more common however is nikah Misyar. Many who adhere to Salafism engage in Misyar. Misyar marriages are very common in Arab countries and are meant to receive sexual gratification in a legitimate way, according to the Salafi doctrine. On the other hand, according to many Sunnis it is not permissible to engage in nikah misyar. Many Sunnis who adhere to the Ahle-Sunnath Wal Jamath and Sufi point of views have often criticized this practice, and have related it to prostitution. The term 'Nikah Misyar' has not been used as a legal term in historical Sunni jurisprudence, and is argued by many Sunnis to be something new that does not fit in within the Sunni tradition.
In its modern context, 'Urfi is used to connote something that is different to official state ceremony or procedure. Thus a Nikah 'urfi' in an Islamic state may denote something similar to a common-law marriage in the west, while in some countries, such as Egypt, a Nikah 'Urfi is a marriage that takes place without the public approval of the bride's guardians, even though the contract is officiated by a religious cleric and sometimes by a state representative.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_%27urfi
Finally the Qur'an itself refers to the previous scriptures many times and says the Qur'an came to confirm these scriptures.
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]__________ The subject of the verb is suffixed; second person plural. Next will come the object of verb to complete the sentence since the verb is transitive. It will signify possession of an object and not authority.
You are saying the same thing but argument-example is not valid because if you place AnNisa as its object it will patently be incorrect sentence since women are not objects.By using the feminine verb with subject helps that it has nothing to do with possession of objects but exercise of authority and inseparable responsibility.
Sorry for late reply.
Red The definition of "object" on dictionary.com is
ob?ject Show IPA
noun- anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form.
- a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed an object of medical investigation.
- the end toward which effort or action is directed; goal; purpose Profit is the object of business.
- a person or thing with reference to the impression made on the mind or the feeling or emotion elicited in an observer an object of curiosity and pity.
- anything that may be apprehended intellectually objects of thought.
So, alNisa could be used after __________
Even _____________ could be used instead of
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Peace mmkhan
Usage of yamiin in 5627 is different with 425, because both of two ayats talking different context.
Ashaabu al yamiin in 5627 is same with 9018's.The sentence in that two verses talking about some people who get the reward.
Peace Earthdom,
Sorry for late reply.
I understood what you mean but you did not get I was saying. Even the words used in 5627 and 425 is different and in different contexts, the root meaning will not change.Brother I think it's your habit for intepretate words in the Quran but avoiding the contexs of the verses.It's just like in your thread about Bani.
Unless we know the meaning of word, how will you understand its context? hmm
I would suggest you to try little harder to understand what means Bani. D Try to look at the structure of words used in alQuraan.Btw you forgot to mention verse 2431.Because the main issue is what is mamluk, what is yamiin in that verse.
I already get discussion in this THREAD and it seems I'm still not get proper answer on that.
I don't find the words "mamluk" and "yamiin" in 2431. But if you are referring to maa malakat aymaanuhunna, then please take a close look at what I wrote about , inshaAllah, you will understand 2431 clearly.
Otherwise, as per general translations, those women in 2431 are also can have sex with their slave boys without marriage &
May Allah protect us prMay Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Sorry for late reply.
Red The definition of "object" on dictionary.com is
ob?ject Show IPA
noun- anything that is visible or tangible and is relatively stable in form.
- a thing, person, or matter to which thought or action is directed an object of medical investigation.
- the end toward which effort or action is directed; goal; purpose Profit is the object of business.
- a person or thing with reference to the impression made on the mind or the feeling or emotion elicited in an observer an object of curiosity and pity.
- anything that may be apprehended intellectually objects of thought.
So, alNisa could be used after __________
Even _____________ could be used instead of
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanA little use of common sense would have revealed to you what is denoted by "objects" in the sentence which is coloured red in your post.
AnNisa-women are not a commodity-an object; a thing which can be mentioned as direct object of verb "to possess-to own".
Look at the word "object" used above and realize the difference.
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Peace mmkhan
Unless we know the meaning of word, how will you understand its context? hmm
I would suggest you to try little harder to understand what means Bani. D Try to look at the structure of words used in alQuraan.Not exactly I think, the example is
436
56
Is that red word from both two verses has same meaning.This is what I want to critics you especially in your Bani thread.
Btw there is no such thing called "Quran language', "Quran structural Arabic", "Arabic Quran" etc.The Quranic musshaf is just same like another Classical Arab texts.I still remmeber when you said if Quran's Arabic is different from ordinary Arabic, during our discusssion about fasting.
This is the big misconception.
The original Quran is not Arabic text which we see in daily life, but the original one lies in a sacred tablet (read 85 21-22).
The Quran was sent down by God via Gabriel then to Muhammad, then because Muhammad is an Arab, then Muhammad himself or his sahabat wrote it's messages with human manmade language called "Classical Arab".So if the recipient of the Quran is an english man, then he will wrote the Quran in english language.So I recommend you to also used Classical Arab dictionaries to understand the Quran's language, not just use corpusquran.com.
The real miracle of the Quran lies within it's message not in it's text.The text can be changed in format by time to time, but the messages didn't.This is also the main reason I reject code 19.
Maybe it's off topic, but hope this help you.
I don't find the words "mamluk" and "yamiin" in 2431. But if you are referring to maa malakat aymaanuhunna, then please take a close look at what I wrote about , inshaAllah, you will understand 2431 clearly.
I don't expecting a sentence like this from you hypno.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path
Earthdom -
Peace mmkhan
I don't expecting a sentence like this from you hypno.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path
Earthdomsalaamun alayka again bro,
Sorry to jump in, I am a a little bit curious.
What is so special about that sentence that you did not expect?salaam,
Bender -
Sorry to jump in, I am a a little bit curious.
What is so special about that sentence that you did not expect?Salamun alayki bro
I mean this red part.
I don't find the words "mamluk" and "yamiin" in 2431. But if you are referring to maa malakat aymaanuhunna then please take a close look at what I wrote about , inshaAllah, you will understand 2431 clearly.
If he mastering Arabic vocabularies then he will not wrote something like this.
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A little use of common sense would have revealed to you what is denoted by "objects" in the sentence which is coloured red in your post.
AnNisa-women are not a commodity-an object; a thing which can be mentioned as direct object of verb "to possess-to own".
Look at the word "object" used above and realize the difference.
I see you are quite on the other option. I was expecting some answer from you on
Even _____________ could be used instead ofI will get back to you on __________ later, inshaAllah.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Peace mmkhan
Not exactly I think, the example is
436
56
Is that red word from both two verses has same meaning.This is what I want to critics you especially in your Bani thread.
Peace bro,
This need a new thread to discuss . This thread is about and not about .
Btw there is no such thing called "Quran language', "Quran structural Arabic", "Arabic Quran" etc.The Quranic musshaf is just same like another Classical Arab texts.I still remmeber when you said if Quran's Arabic is different from ordinary Arabic, during our discusssion about fasting.
This is the big misconception.
This also need another thread to discuss in detail.
The original Quran is not Arabic text which we see in daily life, but the original one lies in a sacred tablet (read 85 21-22).
Red If you believe so, then we don't have anything to discuss on any topic. hypno
The Quran was sent down by God via Gabriel then to Muhammad, then because Muhammad is an Arab, then Muhammad himself or his sahabat wrote it's messages with human manmade language called "Classical Arab".So if the recipient of the Quran is an english man, then he will wrote the Quran in english language.
Aayat needed for your claim, please.
So I recommend you to also used Classical Arab dictionaries to understand the Quran's language, not just use corpusquran.com.
Thanks for your suggestion, but sorry to say that I am not interested in it nor in corpus.quran.com. Allah, is the enough guide for me.
The real miracle of the Quran lies within it's message not in it's text.The text can be changed in format by time to time, but the messages didn't.This is also the main reason I reject code 19.
Without text how will you understand its message? hypno
Maybe it's off topic, but hope this help you.
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I don't expecting a sentence like this from you hypno.
The reply was based on your reply # 6. Please click here to take a look at how you wrote.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path
EarthdomMay Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Peace
This need a new thread to discuss . This thread is about and not about .
In my post I said "example".I used that janaba for example.
Red If you believe so, then we don't have anything to discuss on any topic.
Without text how will you understand its message?
Of course we need a text, because text is part of human language and how we communicate each other.So that's why Nabi Muhammad and his sahabat wrote it in text.And because this Arabic Quranic text is autharized by God and Nabi then this Arabic Quran labeled as the main legalized text for guidance for mankind.
The main reason of I said "The real miracle of the Quran lies within it's message not in it's text" is because some people believe in misconception if Quran Mushaf have some miracle like code 19, magic healing etc.
And this is also for refute your claim if Quran Arabic's structural is special and different.I just wan to told you if Quranic text written in ordinary Classical Arab, so it's okay if used Classical Arab dictionaries to understand it.
Ok I will not confuse ths in this thread because off topic, but if you want discuss about this you can create a new thread or by PM.