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How to determine Months according to Brother Noon waalqalami ?

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    Wakas
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    peace alkitab,

    That is also my understanding at the present time.

    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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      Peace!

      Prepare for Vibrational Download

      No need to drop 13 or make 13.

      The year defined by The God is 12 lunations per solar orbital period. The degree of variation is natural and desired, desired by One Mighty in Power, Supremely Wise. Without this variation there would be no change to the day. Every day would be the same day, same weather, same crap. So thank your God that there is variation.

      Rather, people must yield to The God, The Supreme, the Designer.

      To reinvent the entire system to realign with the true way of Beingness. Observe your subconscious mind. "But if we do this, then the people will blah blah blah". Where does this come from?

      The idea of 13 is destroying the climate, killing the creatures, absolutely murdering and ravaging the Earth. Can you hear her cries? 13 is the unlucky number, wonder why? Because 12 is Perfect.

      Now we may split the seasons.

      We have

      12 cycles
      4 seasons
      2 half cycles (half-year)
      1 year

      VS

      6 cycles
      2 seasons
      Yang, Yin

      1, 0
      Light, Dark
      True, False
      On, Off

      10, 01, 00, 11
      Guanine, Adenine, Cytosine, Thiamine

      Welcome to DNA, a 4 Word code that composes the fabric of Life on Earth; Here is a piece of information to get you started Truth Table, Logic gates

      And then
      {16}
      And We did not create the heaven and the earth and what is between them for sport.
      {17}
      Had We wished to make a diversion, We would have made it from before Ourselves by no means would We do (it).
      {18}
      Nay! We cast the truth against the falsehood, so that it breaks its head, and lo! it vanishes; and woe to you for what you describe;
      {19}
      And whoever is in the heavens and the earth is His; and those who are with Him are not proud to serve Him, nor do they grow weary.
      {20}
      They glorify (Him) by night and day; they are never languid.
      {21}

      Now, half Earth is Yang/light/day. Other half is Yin/dark/night. Earth rotates, thus a spherical projection (Solar Light Emanation) becomes a 2D shadow (Night).
      Quran7040
      You already have sufficient information to proceed!

      {40}
      But nay! I swear by the Lord of the Easts and the Wests that We are certainly able
      But nay! I swear by the Lord of the rising-places and the setting-places that We verily are Able
      Now I do call to witness the Lord of all points in the East and the West that We can certainly-

      A two dimensional circle/shadow (Night) mapped onto a 3 dimensional sphere (Earth); the circumference of Night is measurable precisely.
      http//i.imgur.com/inFxluU.jpg
      http//i.imgur.com/P9kQTJg.png

      Fundamentally you wish to begin the calendar in intervals of half-cycles; this is a Year. Then we get the Solar Year as two Cycles/Seasons.

      So we do not have "The New Year"
      We do have
      The first month of the Warm Season
      The first month of the Cool Season

      Or we may say
      The first month of the Warming Season
      The first month of the Cooling Season

      They ask thee, of new moons, say They are fixed seasons for mankind and for the pilgrimage. It is not righteousness that ye go to houses by the backs thereof (as do the idolaters at certain seasons), but the righteous man is he who wardeth off (evil). So go to houses by the gates thereof, and observe your duty to AlLah/The God/TheClearLight/TheTruth that you may be successful.
      2189 - Al Baqarah (The Cow)

      First month of each, we have room to vary. 4 points of geometry

      http//i.imgur.com/eTyunP9.jpg
      Source http//thegic.org/profiles/blogs/the-autumnal-equinox-2012 (a worthy read!)

      So there is no need to even bother with "one year". Instead focus on half year. The Earth has two hemispheres. One Year did not ever exist and never will. However, Two Half-Years does exist.

      The Geometric Universe The Platonic Forms, Hilbert Space, whatever you wish to call it - the Book of Life. All geometric. No fancy of man, the fancy of man is embedded within the geometry and certainly not the other way round. Or as Eckhart Tolle would say, "We are not what we think we are, we Are what we think"

      Contemplate. Earth is a spaceship. It is moving against the backdrop of the stars and I used to curse but perhaps today I may have to swear -X. And now we shall venture into General Relativity and geodesic curvature. You already know it like the back of your hand so leave behind your excuses and use your Reason?

      Due to special relativity, the half-year of the lower hemisphere of Earth is of different length to the half-year of the upper hemisphere. But the length of this depends on who is watching. One thing is always for sure, You, You are watching. Who are You?

      For further information

      {1}
      By the Dawn
      {2}
      And ten nights,
      {3}
      And the Even and the Odd,
      {4}
      And the night when it departeth,
      {5}
      There surely is an oath for thinking man.
      Chapter 89 Al-Fajr (The Dawn)

      • A physics student peace
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        Noon_waalqalami
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        The idea of 13 is destroying the climate, killing the creatures, absolutely murdering and ravaging the Earth. Can you hear her cries? 13 is the unlucky number, wonder why? Because 12 is Perfect.

        Now we may split the seasons.

        We have

        12 cycles
        4 seasons
        2 half cycles (half-year)
        1 year

        VS

        6 cycles
        2 seasons
        Yang, Yin

        Peace IAMOP,

        13 unlucky are phobias, no 13th floor in builds or Friday 13th.
        Year with 13 full moons was problematic for those in authority in charge of calendars.
        13 menstrual cycles year; women ovulated together on full moon and bled during new moon.
        Knights Templar Fri Oct 13, 1307 King of France ordered their arrest, tortured, and burnt some.

        Anyways, it?s irrelevant; one can spin it as lucky/unlucky or even find a code 13 in Quran, no big deal.

        Again the question one awakes in the desert or remote island -- how to determine 1st or start count?

        Likewise need to define exact meaning

        shr (cycle lunar, menstrual, wind, other use context?)

        ramadan (lunar/heat cycle, other?)

        aam (lunar/solar year, other?)

        snyn (lunar/solar years, seasons, or something else?)

        snh (lunar/solar year, age, time, or something else?)

        1247 said thou cultivating seven snyn/seasons as usual so what harvest you so leave it in ears its except little from what thou eating 1248 furthermore comes from after such seven severe consuming what advanced you of them except little from what thou storing 1249 furthermore comes from after such aam/year in it given relief the humankind and in it shall pressing (wine)

        2914 and surely sent we Noah to folk his so waited among them thousand snh/age except fifty aama/year(s) of so seized them the flood and they were unjustly

        4615 and enjoined we the human with parents his kindness carried him mother his unwillingly and gave birth him unwillingly and carried him and separation his thirty shra/cycle of until when reached peak his and reached forty snh/age said lord grant me that I thank grace yours the one blessed thou to me and on parents mine and that do work righteous of which please you and correct for me in offspring mine that I perish to you and that I from the peacemakers

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          Man_of_Faith
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          Peace be with thee,

          12 is a good number.

          God bless you

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            Noon_waalqalami
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            12 is a good number.

            Peace Man of Faith, there's nothing good or evil about any number.

            Now back to the topic.

            Was observing the full moon tonight and it became very clear.
            It is not 12 each solar year and nowhere mentioned in Qur'an.

            936 surely count al-shwr/the lunar cycles near the god two ten (i.e. twelve) shra/lunar cycle of in book the god day creation the heavens and the earth from it four prohibited such the practice the value so not wrong yeh in them souls yours and fight yeh the idolaters all as what they fight you all and know yeh that the god with the righteous

            105 he the one made the sun illuminate and the moon a light and calculated it (masculine i.e. moon) phases to know yeh number al-snyn/the seasons and the account not create the god such except in the truth expounds the signs for folk knowing

            1712 and made we the night and the daylight two signs so erased we sign the night and made we sign the daylight visible that may seek yeh bounty from lord yours and know yeh number al-snyn/the seasons and the account and every thing explained we it detailed

            The question if one awakes on remote island/desert scenario; it's simple...

            Full Moon Dates 2005
            Year MTH Day #
            2005 Jan 25 1 date of event chosen at random; awoke on island/desert or any event birth, wedding, etc.
            2005 Feb 24 2
            2005 Mar 25 3
            2005 Apr 24 4
            2005 May 23 5
            2005 Jun 22 6 Start Ramadan, Hajj, fast/abstention, haraam/prohibited cycle 2185 shr/lunar cycle ramadan (heat)
            2005 Jul 21 7 1 End 1st lunar cycle 2197 the hajj ashr/lunar cycles well-known
            2005 Aug 19 8 2 End 2nd
            2005 Sep 18 9 3 End 3rd
            2005 Oct 17 10 4 End 4th prohibited cycle
            2005 Nov 16 11
            2005 Dec 15 12

            Full Moon Dates 2006
            Year MTH Day #
            2006 Jan 14 1 1st anniversary of event; 354 days//lunar year
            2006 Feb 13 2
            2006 Mar 14 3
            2006 Apr 13 4
            2006 May 13 5
            2006 Jun 11 6
            ]2006 Jul 11 7 Start Ramadan, Hajj, fast/abstention, haraam/prohibited cycle
            2006 Aug 9 8 1 End 1st lunar cycle
            2006 Sep 7 9 2 End 2nd
            2006 Oct 7 10 3 End 3rd
            2006 Nov 5 11 4 End 4th prohibited cycle
            2006 Dec 5 12

            Full Moon Dates 2007
            Year MTH Day #
            2007 Jan 3 1 2nd anniversary of event; 728 days/2 lunar years
            2007 Feb 2 2
            2007 Mar 3 3
            2007 Apr 2 4
            2007 May 2 5
            2007 Jun 1 6
            ]2007 Jun 30 7 Start Ramadan, Hajj, fast/abstention, haraam/prohibited cycle
            2007 Jul 30 8 1 End 1st lunar cycle
            2007 Aug 28 9 2 End 2nd
            2007 Sep 26 10 3 End 3rd
            2007 Oct 26 11 4 End 4th prohibited cycle
            2007 Nov 24 12
            2007 Dec 24 1 3rd anniversary of event; 1063 days/3 lunar years

            Full Moon Dates 2008
            Year MTH Day #
            2008 Jan 22 2
            2008 Feb 21 3
            2008 Mar 21 4
            2008 Apr 20 5
            2008 May 20 6
            2008 Jun 18 7
            ]2008 Jul 18 8 Start Ramadan, Hajj, fast/abstention, haraam/prohibited cycle
            2008 Aug 16 9 1 End 1st lunar cycle
            2008 Sep 15 10 2 End 2nd
            2008 Oct 14 11 3 End 3rd
            2008 Nov 13 12 4 End 4th prohibited cycle
            2008 Dec 12 1 4th anniversary of event; 1417 days/4 lunar years

            Full Moon Dates 2009
            Year MTH Day #
            2009 Jan 11 2
            2009 Feb 9 3
            2009 Mar 11 4
            2009 Apr 9 5
            2009 May 9 6
            ]2009 Jun 7 7 Start Ramadan, Hajj, fast/abstention, haraam/prohibited cycle
            2009 Jul 7 8 1 End 1st lunar cycle
            2009 Aug 6 9 2 End 2nd
            2009 Sep 4 10 3 End 3rd
            2009 Oct 4 11 4 End 4th prohibited cycle
            2009 Nov 2 12
            2009 Dec 2 1 5th anniversary of event; 1772 days/5 lunar years
            2009 Dec 31 2

            Full Moon Dates 2010
            Year MTH Day #
            2010 Jan 30 3
            2010 Feb 28 4
            2010 Mar 30 5
            2010 Apr 28 6
            2010 May 27 7
            ]2010 Jun 26 8 Start Ramadan, Hajj, fast/abstention, haraam/prohibited cycle
            2010 Jul 26 9 1 End 1st lunar cycle
            2010 Aug 24 10 2 End 2nd
            2010 Sep 23 11 3 End 3rd
            2010 Oct 23 12 4 End 4th prohibited cycle
            2010 Nov 21 1 6th anniversary of event; 2126 days/6 lunar years
            2010 Dec 21 2

            Full Moon Dates 2011
            Year MTH Day #
            2011 Jan 19 3
            2011 Feb 18 4
            2011 Mar 19 5
            2011 Apr 18 6
            2011 May 17 7
            2011 Jun 15 8
            ]2011 Jul 15 9 Start Ramadan, Hajj, fast/abstention, haraam/prohibited cycle
            2011 Aug 13 10 1 End 1st lunar cycle
            2011 Sep 12 11 2 End 2nd
            2011 Oct 12 12 3 End 3rd
            2011 Nov 10 1 4 End 4th prohibited cycle (7th anniversary of event; 2480 days/7 lunar years
            2011 Dec 10 2

            Full Moon Dates 2012
            Year MTH Day #
            2012 Jan 9 3
            2012 Feb 7 4
            2012 Mar 8 5
            2012 Apr 6 6
            2012 May 6 7
            2012 Jun 4 8
            ]2012 Jul 3 9 Start Ramadan, Hajj, fast/abstention, haraam/prohibited cycle
            2012 Aug 2 10 1 End 1st lunar cycle
            2012 Aug 31 11 2 End 2nd
            2012 Sep 30 12 3 End 3rd
            2012 Oct 29 1 4 End 4th prohibited cycle (8th anniversary of event; 2834 days/8 lunar years
            2012 Nov 28 2
            2012 Dec 28 3

            Full Moon Dates 2013
            Year MTH Day #
            2013 Jan 27 4
            2013 Feb 25 5
            2013 Mar 27 6
            2013 Apr 25 7
            2013 May 25 8
            ]2013 Jun 23 9 Start Ramadan, Hajj, fast/abstention, prohibited cycle
            2013 Jul 22 10 1 End 1st
            2013 Aug 21 11 2 End 2nd
            2013 Sep 19 12 3 End 3rd
            2013 Oct 19 1 4 End 4th prohibited cycle -- today (9th anniversary of event; 3189 days/9 lunar years
            2013 Nov 17 2
            2013 Dec 17 3

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              Man_of_Faith
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              Salaam,

              Nothing evil, but some are nice numbers -)

              God bless you

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                Noon_waalqalami
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                Nothing evil, but some are nice numbers -)

                Peace, yes perhaps in context of nice number as in paycheck. )

                Hope everyone understood post above in that the lunar cycles to know time (e.g. lunar months, years) which vary at any day or lunar phase run separate i.e. 12 in lunar year don't have to correlate exactly to prohibited lunar cycles which they are always the first 4 after the summer solstice easily determined anywhere in the world even after waking from a deep sleep on a remote deserted island; no need to ask anyone when exactly is ramadan (lunar cycle of heat), hajj, prohibited cycles/period, etc.

                936 surely count al-shwr/the lunar cycles near the god two ten (i.e. twelve) shra/lunar cycle of in book the god day creation the heavens and the earth from it four prohibited...

                ....

                Full Moon Dates 2013
                Year MTH Day #
                2013 Jan 27 4
                2013 Feb 25 5
                2013 Mar 27 6
                2013 Apr 25 7
                2013 May 25 8
                ]2013 Jun 23 9 Start Ramadan, Hajj, fast/abstention, prohibited cycle
                2013 Jul 22 10 1 End 1st
                2013 Aug 21 11 2 End 2nd
                2013 Sep 19 12 3 End 3rd
                2013 Oct 19 1 4 End 4th prohibited cycle -- today (9th anniversary of event; 3189 days/9 lunar years
                2013 Nov 17 2
                2013 Dec 17 3

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                  Peace brother Wakas,

                  However, I disagree with
                  See http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605648.0

                  This seems to confirm that the "biggest feast" is the fourth one

                  1. An acquittal/release from The God and His messenger to those with whom you made a treaty from among the polytheists.
                  2. Therefore, roam the earth for FOUR full-moons and know that you will not escape The God, and that The God will disgrace the ungrateful/rejecters.

                  So we are now at the fourth full-moon, where the biggest feast takes place

                  1. And an announcement from The God and His messenger to the people on the greatest day of the feast "The God is quit/free from the polytheists and so is His messenger". If you repent, then it is better for you, and if you turn away, then know that you will not escape The God. And give news to those who conceal/reject of a painful retribution.
                  2. Except for those with whom you had a treaty from among the polytheists if they did not reduce anything from it nor did they plan to attack you; you shall continue the treaty with them until its expiry. Truly, The God loves the forethoughtful/conscientious.

                  Remember that the waning crescent times the end of the period of the feast and the restriction (the 10 day period). So the following passage talks about the passing that includes the end of the restricted period, 10 days later after the day of the bigggest feast

                  1. So when the inviolable full-moons are passed, then you may fight the polytheists wherever you find them, and take them, and surround them, and stand against them at every point. If they repent, and uphold/maintain the salat and bring forth the betterment, then clear/vacate their way/path. Truly, The God is Turning/Forgiving, Embracing/Merciful.

                  What do you make of 2217, see http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg333873#msg333873

                  2217 talks about the period spanning the four inviolable full-moons (fighting in them). While in 2185, the full-moon is talked about as a marker (fast it or according to it).

                  Peace,

                  Ayman

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                    peace brother Ayman,

                    2217 talks about the period spanning the four inviolable full-moons (fighting in them). While in 2185, the full-moon is talked about as a marker (fast it or according to it).

                    I understand your explanation but in 2217 it is singular.

                    2217 asks about the inviolable shahr/full-moon is there fighting in it

                    All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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                      peace brother Ayman,

                      I understand your explanation but in 2217 it is singular.

                      Peace Wakas, yes and how "in it" can refer to single full-moon?

                      2217 they asking you about al-shr/the lunar cycle (singular) the haraam/prohibited fight in it say fight in it immense...

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                        Peace brother Wakas,

                        I understand your explanation but in 2217 it is singular.

                        Thanks for reminding me and correcting my mistake. You are correct it is singular. It is probably talking about the first inviolable full moon. If it is the first inviolable full moon, then "in it" would indicate in the period marked to begin according to it.

                        Peace,

                        Ayman

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                          noshirk
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                          salam wakas and ayman
                          even in singular form of 2-217, it can be a generic expression for each shahr haram
                          I think that hajj akbar of 9-3 is probably the ramadan one who can fall (or falled once) with the "shahr" better than 1000 shahr

                          Peace

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                            salam wakas and ayman
                            even in singular form of 2-217, it can be a generic expression for each shahr haram

                            Peace

                            Salam Noshirk,

                            Correct in your understanding , al-shahr al-haram ( inviolable month ) in 2217 even in singular form it's pointing to the four inviolable months not only one month , this form and meaning is similar to the word al-malak singular of al-malaayikah (plural ) the singular form is used in 6917 and 8922 but it still mean al-malayika as a group , there is another similar form or way when the plural meaning is understood through the singular form in arabic you can see that in the word as al-maskyin the singular of al-masaakyin ( plural ) , the singular form is used in 1073 and 7444 and 6934 but it is evident that the talk in that verse is not talking about one singular ,particular maskyin (1 poor man ) but instead it mean the poor men's in general ( any poor man ) this form and meaning is similar to the form and meaning of al-shahr al-haram ( the inviolable month ) in 2217 , the meaning is all the inviolable months

                            Salam

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