surat 'Ali 'Imran verse 164

[Israfeel]

With respect to Prophet Eisa (alaihe salam), Allah the Holy and Exalted says in the Quran Majeed

And He (Allah) shall teach him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Injeel (Surah 34

Here four things have been mentioned, 1. The Book, 2. The Wisdom, 3. The Torah, and 4. The Injeel

Now it is obvious that the Torah is a separate thing from the Injeel (Gospel), and these two are separate things from the Kitab (Quran). Therefore, logically it follows that the Al-Hikmah (Wisdom) is also a distinct thing from all three, including the Book.

Coincidentally, this verse establishes the second coming of Prophet Eisa (alaihe salam) among the Ummah of the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihe wasallam) - which is why Allah has given him knowledge of the Book and the Wisdom (Quran and Sunnah) in addition to knowledge of the Torah and the Gospel.

So those misguided people who keep shouting at the top of their lungs "Quran only! Quran only!" have been so beguiled by Satan that they don't realize that Quran keeps saying "The Book and the WISDOM".

Only those who have Wisdom will know that it is pointing undeniably to the Sunnah. Those who only have the Book but not the Wisdom will never understand this. Allah has sealed up their hearts and their seeing and their hearing.

They are Deaf, Dumb and Blind....and they will not return (to the Straight Path)

[muslims]

With respect to Prophet Eisa (alaihe salam), Allah the Holy and Exalted says in the Quran Majeed

And He (Allah) shall teach him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Injeel (Surah 34

Here four things have been mentioned, 1. The Book, 2. The Wisdom, 3. The Torah, and 4. The Injeel

Now it is obvious that the Torah is a separate thing from the Injeel (Gospel), and these two are separate things from the Kitab (Quran). Therefore, logically it follows that the Al-Hikmah (Wisdom) is also a distinct thing from all three, including the Book.

Coincidentally, this verse establishes the second coming of Prophet Eisa (alaihe salam) among the Ummah of the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihe wasallam) - which is why Allah has given him knowledge of the Book and the Wisdom (Quran and Sunnah) in addition to knowledge of the Torah and the Gospel.

So those misguided people who keep shouting at the top of their lungs "Quran only! Quran only!" have been so beguiled by Satan that they don't realize that Quran keeps saying "The Book and the WISDOM".

Only those who have Wisdom will know that it is pointing undeniably to the Sunnah. Those who only have the Book but not the Wisdom will never understand this. Allah has sealed up their hearts and their seeing and their hearing.

They are Deaf, Dumb and Blind....and they will not return (to the Straight Path)

Salam Israfeel,

Who will give the wisdom?

Prophet Muhammad?

Sahaba?

The Imam and Ulema?

Can you explain in the context of the following ayat.

He gives wisdom to whom He wills
and whoever has been given wisdom
has certainly been given much good
And none will remember except those of understanding
(2269)

Please also refer to (362), (312), (101) and (434).

And he whom Allah sends astray
for him there is no protector beyond Him.
(4244)

And there will not be for them
any allies to aid them <- including your kitab, ulema, Islamic Fatwa Council etc
other than Allah
And whoever Allah sends astray
for him there is no way
(4246)

Therefore, since when human, books or objects can give wisdom?

Since when wisdom can be inherited through man made god books etc?

What has happened to you?
How do you judge?
Or have you a book wherein you read
That you have surely therein what you choose?
(6836-3

Do you have an ayat to support your argument?

Peace brother.

[Scribbler]

With respect to Prophet Eisa (alaihe salam), Allah the Holy and Exalted says in the Quran Majeed

And He (Allah) shall teach him the Book and the Wisdom and the Torah and the Injeel (Surah 34

Here four things have been mentioned, 1. The Book, 2. The Wisdom, 3. The Torah, and 4. The Injeel

Now it is obvious that the Torah is a separate thing from the Injeel (Gospel), and these two are separate things from the Kitab (Quran). Therefore, logically it follows that the Al-Hikmah (Wisdom) is also a distinct thing from all three, including the Book.

Coincidentally, this verse establishes the second coming of Prophet Eisa (alaihe salam) among the Ummah of the Prophet Muhammad (sallallahu alaihe wasallam) - which is why Allah has given him knowledge of the Book and the Wisdom (Quran and Sunnah) in addition to knowledge of the Torah and the Gospel.

So those misguided people who keep shouting at the top of their lungs "Quran only! Quran only!" have been so beguiled by Satan that they don't realize that Quran keeps saying "The Book and the WISDOM".

Only those who have Wisdom will know that it is pointing undeniably to the Sunnah. Those who only have the Book but not the Wisdom will never understand this. Allah has sealed up their hearts and their seeing and their hearing.

So according to your understanding and interpretation, the verse

2269
He grants wisdom (Arabic hikmata) to whom He pleases; and he to whom wisdom (Arabic hikmata) is granted receives indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the Message but those of understanding.

Should be translated as

2269
He grants SUNNAH (Arabic hikmata) to whom He pleases; and he to whom SUNNAH (Arabic hikmata) is granted receives indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the Message but those of understanding.

Hmm. Very good.

They are Deaf, Dumb and Blind....and they will not return (to the Straight Path)

I totally agree. P

[Israfeel]

Without a doubt Wisdom comes from Allah. But through what means?

Did anyone get direct guidance from Allah? Did not guidance come through means of the Book (Quran) and through means of the Prophet (peace be upon him & his family)

O You who believe! Fear Allah and seek the means of approach unto Him (535)

So indeed, the Al-Hikmah (wisdom) comes from Allah, but through what means does it come? Allah says in the Pure Quran

It is He Who has sent amongst the unlettered an Apostle (Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him) from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to purify them, and to instruct them in the Book and the Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error (Surah 622)

In other words, guidance of the Quran and the Wisdom will come through the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Wisdom and understanding of the Book will not come through Mr. Rashad Khalifa, or Mr. Edep Yuskell, or Mr. Anonymous Online Poster, or Ms. modern miniskirt wearing Quranist woman.

No my friends. Understanding of the Quran comes from the Rasool (Sallallaahu alaihe wasallam) as Allah has emphasized again and again in the Holy Quran.

[muslims]

Without a doubt Wisdom comes from Allah. But through what means?

Did anyone get direct guidance from Allah? Did not guidance come through means of the Book (Quran) and through means of the Prophet (peace be upon him & his family)

O You who believe! Fear Allah and seek the means of approach unto Him (535)

So indeed, the Al-Hikmah (wisdom) comes from Allah, but through what means does it come? Allah says in the Pure Quran

It is He Who has sent amongst the unlettered an Apostle (Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him) from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to purify them, and to instruct them in the Book and the Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error (Surah 622)

In other words, guidance of the Quran and the Wisdom will come through the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Wisdom and understanding of the Book will not come through Mr. Rashad Khalifa, or Mr. Edep Yuskell, or Mr. Anonymous Online Poster, or Ms. modern miniskirt wearing Quranist woman.

No my friends. Understanding of the Quran comes from the Rasool (Sallallaahu alaihe wasallam) as Allah has emphasized again and again in the Holy Quran.

Salam

So when Allah says "He gives wisdom to whom He wills", it means "Human/Objects gives wisdom"?

Allah doesn't really mean what He says in the Qur'an?

Secondly, what is Wisdom?

Peace brother.

and to instruct them in the Book and the Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error (Surah 622)

I swear
by the Quran
full of wisdom
(362)

These are verses
of the Book of Wisdom
(312)

And surely it is in the original of the Book with Us
truly elevated
full of wisdom.
(434)

Alif Lam Ra
These are the verses
of the wise Book.
(101)

Please also refer to (362), (312), (101) and (434).

And he whom Allah sends astray
for him there is no protector beyond Him.
(4244)

And there will not be for them
any allies to aid them <- including your kitab, ulema, Islamic Fatwa Council etc
other than Allah
And whoever Allah sends astray
for him there is no way
(4246)

Therefore, since when human, books or objects can give wisdom?

Since when wisdom can be inherited through man made god books etc?

What has happened to you?
How do you judge?
Or have you a book wherein you read
That you have surely therein what you choose?
(6836-3

Do you have an ayat to support your argument?

[Scribbler]

Without a doubt Wisdom comes from Allah. But through what means?

Did anyone get direct guidance from Allah? Did not guidance come through means of the Book (Quran) and through means of the Prophet (peace be upon him & his family)

O You who believe! Fear Allah and seek the means of approach unto Him (535)

So indeed, the Al-Hikmah (wisdom) comes from Allah, but through what means does it come? Allah says in the Pure Quran

It is He Who has sent amongst the unlettered an Apostle (Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him) from among themselves, to rehearse to them His Signs, to purify them, and to instruct them in the Book and the Wisdom,- although they had been, before, in manifest error (Surah 622)

In other words, guidance of the Quran and the Wisdom will come through the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Wisdom and understanding of the Book will not come through Mr. Rashad Khalifa, or Mr. Edep Yuskell, or Mr. Anonymous Online Poster, or Ms. modern miniskirt wearing Quranist woman.

No my friends. Understanding of the Quran comes from the Rasool (Sallallaahu alaihe wasallam) as Allah has emphasized again and again in the Holy Quran.

Dear Israfeel,

Peace be with you.

I agree with you that one can gain wisdom from the ahadeeth corpus. But restricting the gaining of wisdom only from the 'Prophetic sunnah' is not supported from a Quranic perspective. One may also be able gain wisdom from the previous scriptures (Torah and Injeel) as well, and I also believe that God can directly instil wisdom into someone's brain without any secondary means.

Someone who may not be institutionally trained can possess greater wisdom compared to someone who is a college professor/highly educated.

Regards.

[huruf]

Wisdom 5hrough the Prophet may be difficult after his death, because he died, and dead cannot speak. So whagtever wisdom y can get through the Prophet, can only be determined by the believer according to the soundness of whatgever is transmitted be it attributed to the prophet or not, authentic or non authentic. Its authenticity and pertinence can only be ascertained through the good judgment of the believer, who has, as scribbler rightly states, more sources of wisdom than just whatever may have reached us pure from the Prophet.

What offers no doubt is that God has only put forth Himself to guarantee the contents of the Qur'an, nothing else. So only the wisdom contained in the Qur'an can serve as a check of the wisdom of anything else, and that is why Muhammad is khatam an-nabiyeen, because any other material must pass the test of conformity to the Qur'an revealed by God. The rest is open to contest.

Salaam

[diamantinehoneybunch]

Yes. You can actually get wisdoms from almost in anything such as the 6 Persian hadith collection, Adolf Hitler's Mein Kampf etc.

?Do not compare yourself to others. If you do so, you are insulting yourself.?
Adolf Hitler
?if you want to shine like sun first you have to burn like it.?
Adolf Hitler
?Anyone can deal with victory. Only the mighty can bear defeat.?
Adolf Hitler

Mein Kampf? book of hate, but also has some wisdoms, just like the 6 Persian hadith collections

Regards,
Yuliana

[diamantinehoneybunch]

Dear Salafi fundamentalist Israfeel,

Please stop SLANDERING the whole Quranist women as women who are wearing mini-skirts. Where did you get this nonsense? What about your Salafi brethren who married and forced sex on young girls and commit honor-killing? You don't have anything better to say about God-alone worshippers other than "mini-skirts".

There are many Sunnis who wear bikinis in countries like Turkey, Azerbaijan, Malaysia, Indonesia etc.

Your Salafi brethren are much worse
8-year-old Yemeni girl died of internal bleeding on first night
Saudi preacher raped and killed his own daughter.
Saudi man killed his child by cutting the child's tongue and burned the child for converting to Christianity

Before spewing false allegations against people, look at you and your folks first.

[hawk99]

Salam
Secondly, what is Wisdom?

Peace muslims,

I am happy to see you use definitions as a means of communication they help us agree
on the subject matter.

God bless

[unknownuser]

Sunnah is the Wisdom to understand the Quran. Without Sunnah, a person has neither wisdom nor can he properly understand the Quran.

Israfeel or everyone in here please read this

http//www.quranicpath.com/sunnishia/book_and_wisdom.html

[Abu_Zakariya]

Salaam everyone,

I started this topic because I'm looking for an answer, and I'm glad some of you take the time to share their understanding with me. But please don't start make this a Quranist vs. Sunni topic. Stay ontopic and share your point of view so we all can benefit from it.

[unknownuser]

I started this topic because I'm looking for an answer, and I'm glad some of you take the time to share their understanding with me. But please don't start make this a Quranist vs. Sunni topic. Stay ontopic and share your point of view so we all can benefit from it.

The answer is the website I provide above this post.

Peace