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    Hassan89
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    Dear "man of faith" and I hope you really are.

    What makes you think that following the outlines of the Quran is enough to be faithful to Allah?
    If the Quran is the same message as the bible and the old testaments and not a continuity and a conclusion to them, then what is the point of sending the prophet Muhammad with such a heavy message and making him struggle to deliver it for no more than a repetition of what was previously stated and which as you claim could still be recovered from the corrupted Gospel of jesus?
    Do you really think that following the Quran alone, regardless to the prophet's teatching and Hadith , is enough to find the path to Allah? Do you really think that you alone can understand the verses an draw conclusions upon which you find the way to Allah?
    Have you ever read this verse of the Quran

    "He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding. (Aal-e-Imran verse 7)

    Can you please tell me who are "those who are firmly rooted in knowledge"?
    Can you be sure that you can understand the verses of the Quran in the right way and not your own mislead way?
    Isn't it obvious to you that the prophet did really delivered the message but didn't have time to explain in person all the details to us, hence we do really need the help from those who are firmly rooted in knowledge?
    Do you know who those are?
    Allah says
    Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying. (Al-Ahzab verse 33)

    When he was asked about who the "people of the House" are, the prophet answered
    According to hadith from sunni books (such as sahih muslim) and shia books those people are MUHAMMAD, ALI , FATIMA, HASSAN and HUSSEIN.
    You definitely admit that when Allah desires something he just says "Be".
    (Our word for a thing when We intend it, is only that We say to it, Be, and it is.)

    You previously stated
    When Ibrahim asked if God's covenant would cover his offspring God replied that His covenant does not cover the unrighteous.
    (Just for information God's covenant is not only a sort of agreement it is Al-Imama.)
    Here is the Aya
    "And when his Lord tried Ibrahim with certain words, he fulfilled them. He said Surely I will make you an Imam of men. Ibrahim said And of my offspring? My covenant does not include the unjust, said He."(Al-Bakara verse 124)

    Do you know that banou Umayyah and banou Al-Abass-who violated al-Cilapha- are offsprings of Ibrahim?
    They are the real unrighteous who shall not be covered by God's covenant even though they sit on the thrown, they are not to be followed as representing allah! As you know Ibrahim was declared as Iman and never happened to be a king with a thrown or whatever.

    One the other hand, Ahlulbait are purified according to Allah's will, and they are the ones to be followed.
    Here comes the aya
    Say I do not ask of you any reward for it but love for my near relatives. (Ash-Shura verse 23)
    For information it is not the word love that allah used in arabic it is "al-mawaddah" which means more than just love, it is to love and to be faithful to something.
    Of course they rewarded the prophet by violating Al-Cilapha first from Ali-the True Imam- then from his offspring, and they were not satisfied until they slaughtered Al-Hussein in Karbala who was seeking repair in al-Ummah.

    Do you know that the prophet in his last days kept saying this
    I am leaving with you the two weightiness (most heavy things), the book of Allah and my household. If you laid hold on both of them you shall never get lost.
    I enjoin you by Allah concerning my household (three times).

    Can you see now that those people who must be followed after the prophet are Ahlulbait?

    The problem is that most muslims followed the lead of the one who said "The prophet is overwhelmed with pain, the book of Allah is sufficient for us", this event known as "the shame of the day of thursday" happened when the prophet asked his companions during his last illness to bring him an inkwell so he could write down something after-which they would never get lost.
    It is obvious what the prophet intended to write, that man clearly anticipated it so he cut the way by saying what he said and implicitly revealing what he fears we don't want the lead of Ahlulbait if we get lost, the book of Allah is sufficient.
    So this man is the father of all contradictor explanations (tafseer) of the Quran, that is because he withdraws the explanations of Ahlulbait because it leads of them being in power as True-Imams according to Allah's wish. Then he found himself, he and his fellows, obliged to stand up for misleading explanations against Ahlulbait, and to do so they had to invent a lot of hadiths, but first they had to get rid of all that might lead to Ahlulbait as righteous heirs of the legacy. So, after the death of the prophet they forbid the transmission of Hadith, they burnt all the parchments of hadith they found with the compagnions, all under the cover of protecting the Islam. This went on for many years until the library of hadith was rich with every kind of hadith that satisfies their wills, going from glorifying themselves, to attributing faults to the prophet's person, to improvising lies about his personal lives, worshipping some bad people known to be munafikeen, and so on with no one daring to reject this either under the threaten of sword or the seduction of money or power except for a very few number of companions who where either killed or exiled like what was done to Abu-Thar Al-Ghifari.

    In conclusion, with this mentality, it is not surprising to find a lot of contradiction in the tafseer books. However the pure source of tafseer is still with those who are firmly rooted in knowledge Ali and the eleven Imams from his offspring, which they got from the prophet himself who taught Ali one thousand doors of knowledge, each of them lead to one thousand other doors, this divine knowledge was passed down to the rest Imams.

    Finally, and after this I don't know according to what proof you claim that shia are idolaters???!

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      Salam Alkitab

      17 - 107 Say, "Believe in it or do not believe. Indeed, those who were given knowledge before it - when it is recited upon them, they fall to their chins in prostration

      So simply fall to their chins in prostrating mean inclining to the angle where the chin is down to the ground , there is no mentioning that t(he forehead should touch the ground , the verse 48 - 29 was wrongly explained

      So this means ayat 17107 is not a commandment for do sujud?

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        "He it is Who has revealed the Book to you; some of its verses are decisive, they are the basis of the Book, and others are allegorical; then as for those in whose hearts there is perversity they follow the part of it which is allegorical, seeking to mislead and seeking to give it (their own) interpretation. but none knows its interpretation except Allah, and those who are firmly rooted in knowledge say We believe in it, it is all from our Lord; and none do mind except those having understanding. (Aal-e-Imran verse 7)

        Can you please tell me who are "those who are firmly rooted in knowledge"?

        The Quran is for all mankind, and for all ages. And in every day and age, there will be those who are firmly rooted in knowledge, who are qualified to understand the allegories and metaphors found in the Quran. This is normal, because not all people are created equal in intellect.

        This need for "ta'weel" (or "interpretation", as you call it) is for the allegorical / metaphoric signs only.

        The same word is used when describing the vision that Joseph (P) had in a dream. In the begining of the story (Surah #12), Joseph saw 11 planets and the sun and moon prostrating themselves to him. Being that dreams are symbolic, the ta'weel of Joseph's vision came at the end of the story when his father (the "sun&quot his mother (the "moon&quot and his brothers (the "planets&quot all came to him and were gathered in his presence, after he had been seperated from them. Hence, this was the "ta'weel" (interpretation) of Joseph's vision. And Joseph was given the ability to interpret the symbolic meaning in dreams.

        The phrase {none knows its interpretation} does not refer to the entire Qur'an, but only to the allegorical part thereof.

        Did Allah say "none knows its interpretation except Allah and the 14 descendants of Ali through Fatimah"?

        Or are you putting words into the messenger's mouth?

        Care to read the following passage, please, and tell me who those "well-founded in knowledge" are?

        {Because of the wickedness from among those who are Jewish, We made unlawful to them the good things that were lawful to them; and for their deterring many from the path of Allah * And for their taking of usury, while they were prohibited from doing so, and for their consuming the money of the people unjustly. We have prepared for the disbelievers among them a painful retribution. * But those of them who are well founded in knowledge, and the believers, they believe in what was sent down to you and what was sent down before you; and those who uphold the Salat, and those who contribute towards purification, and those who believe in Allah and the Last Day; to these We will give them their recompense greatly}...

        Who are they? Is the passage above talking about the 14 descendants of Ali through Fatima?

        You have been openly defiying Allah and making a mockery of his Book, and the universal laws set forth therein, meant as guidance for ALL OF MANKIND, by claiming that only 14 people in the entire history of planet Earth can understand it. As for the remainder of humanity, they are all "zero on the left" so to speak.

        So when Allah says that the Quran is a guidance for ALL OF MANKIND, He actually means to say that it is a guidance for Ali and his 14 descendants through Fatimah. This is your logic?

        Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O people of the House! and to purify you a (thorough) purifying. (Al-Ahzab verse 33)

        When he was asked about who the "people of the House" are, the prophet answered
        According to hadith from sunni books (such as sahih muslim) and shia books those people are MUHAMMAD, ALI , FATIMA, HASSAN and HUSSEIN.
        You definitely admit that when Allah desires something he just says "Be".
        (Our word for a thing when We intend it, is only that We say to it, Be, and it is.)

        The word "RIJS" does NOT mean "uncleanliness", as your false marja3s teach you. And "The House" mentioned in 3333 is NOT the house of Muhammad. And the passage has nothing to do with Ali and his 14 descendants through Fatimah, nor does it have anything to do with the concept of "infallibilty", which your marja3s have been brainwashing you with, in order to devour one fifth of your earnings.

        And the entire corpus of the Hadeeths, penned down by 6 Persian LIARS of the Barmak courts of Khorasan and the One Thousand and One Nights, are not worth the paper they are being printed on.

        Your concept of "Imamah" is FALSE and has no basis in the Quran whatsoever. Ibraheem (P), because he contemplated the divine laws of creation around him, achieved a level of wisdom that was far ahead of his age, and reached the conclusion, by observing natural phenomenon, that there must be a Creator for everything. Ibraheem didn't need Ali and his 14 descendants through Fatimah to lead him to this conclusion. As a result, he was made an "imam", meaning a guide for people. (One who lead by example, by devoting his entire existence to the service of Allah). That's what the word "imam" means in the passage. The Shias, in their translations of the Quran into English, always like to keep the word "imam" untrantslated, and they render it with a capital "I" (Imam), to give the impression that the word denotes some kind of mystical title that is even above the level of the messengers. They keep on boasting of how Ibraheem was already a messenger of Allah, but was then elevated to the status of Imam!!

        Finally, and after this I don't know according to what proof you claim that shia are idolaters???!

        The proof lies in how you twist and manipulate the meaning of Allah's words, and take the passages of the Quran completely out of context (through man-made Hadeeths), to make them fit with your preconceptions and ideologies.

        I know that Mu3awiya and his descendants were filthy dogs, hypocrites, and criminal tyrants. History alone is testament to this fact. But this in no way means that I have the right to invent a radically opposing creed that elevates the descendants of Muhammad to the status of gods, just to get my revenge on the Umayyads.

        Peace..

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          Man_of_Faith
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          Salaam,

          I know that there is no point in discussing this, but I call Shia Muslims idolaters because they take their ahl al-bayt as masters and they love them as they should love God. It is not a healthy respect for deliverers of the Message but straight worship.

          The Quran is not teaching anything particularly new and is just God's Message to confirm His earlier Message and as a reminder that His Covenant is still valid still as of today. All is the so-called Al-Kitaab. The advantage with Quran is that God promised to safeguard it.

          The Message is primarily a sign of God and testament to His existence. It is also a guide at the same time and can help people who understand the Message to live better lives.

          As you know from the scripture; the main criteria to reach salvation is honest belief in God, eternal existence and to live as a good person. Quran teaches very well about behavior and it is its main purpose. It teaches some ways of commemorating Him. It does not teach to idolize human beings. He specifically told not to take anyone except God as master and most people do that and it is also in accordance to what He has foreseen. Because He sees everything.

          God bless you

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            Mazhar
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            As you know from the scripture; the main criteria to reach salvation is honest belief in God, eternal existence and to live as a good person. Quran teaches very well about behavior and it is its main purpose. It teaches some ways of commemorating Him. It does not teach to idolize human beings.

            What is conspicously absent in this opinion is the mention of the Messengers. Without honest belief in them there is no salvation ensured by Allah the Exalted. Whatever is ensured-guaranted/glad tidings, it is through the Messenger. Presently, whoever revers not the Messenger, his claim of having honest belief and love for Allah is false and lip service. Qur'aan emphasises this point quite explicitly.

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              Man_of_Faith
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              Salaam,

              I think you are out on thin ice, brother Mazhar, when you say that the Messengers require reverence. You posted a verse the other day which you claim should prove this point, but it does not say you should love Muhammad. It says if you hold the other people and things dearer to you than God and the Messenger then it means that if his Message he brought was less important than your life and family. It did not invite to revere the prophet.

              You use this stuff to justify idolatry. That seems dangerous you know. And you are quite skilled at Arabic too, but you should focus a bit on the pragmatic part.

              God bless you

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                Mazhar
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                Salaam,

                I think you are out on thin ice, brother Mazhar, when you say that the Messengers require reverence. You posted a verse the other day which you claim should prove this point, but it does not say you should love Muhammad. It says if you hold the other people and things dearer to you than God and the Messenger then it means that if his Message he brought was less important than your life and family. It did not invite to revere the prophet.

                You use this stuff to justify idolatry. That seems dangerous you know. And you are quite skilled at Arabic too, but you should focus a bit on the pragmatic part.

                God bless you

                The words of the Book are simple and straight forward. The comparison by a comparative noun is also between personalities and this is about love, dearness and it denotes admiration, reverence for something and person to acquire and associate with.
                Minus belief in the Messengers, acceptance of their elevated stature above all others and respect and admiration there is no scope for anyone for salvation.

                Reverence and the Book are both important Ponder for a while over it

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                  Peace brother Mazhar

                  Reverence and the Book are both important Ponder for a while over it

                  ........Then those who BELIEVE in him, and HONOR him, and HELP him, and FOLLOW the light which is sent down with him they are the SUCCESSFUL 7157

                  I believe in the Messenger, I follow the Light (Quran) but I cannot HELP the Messenger since he is no more alive?

                  QUESTION Will I be SUCCESSFUL?

                  I believe the messenger was so far the best person in the word in respect of character, I believe he was the mirror of the Quran, I believe he erred but never sinned. N

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                    Peace brother Mazhar

                    Quote

                    Reverence and the Book are both important Ponder for a while over it

                    ........Then those who BELIEVE in him, and HONOR him, and HELP him, and FOLLOW the light which is sent down with him they are the SUCCESSFUL 7157

                    I believe in the Messenger, I follow the Light (Quran) but I cannot HELP the Messenger since he is no more alive?

                    QUESTION Will I be SUCCESSFUL?

                    I believe the messenger as the best person in the word in respect of character, I believe he was the mirror of the Quran, I believe he erred but never sinned. Now tell me whether this belief of mine is a part or whole of the RESPECT.

                    Please define your RESPECT to the Messenger. (probably I have to failed to grasp the meaning of RESPECT)

                    More importantly this verse is addressed to the PEOPLE of the BOOK

                    Those who follow the apostle, the unlettered prophet. Whom they find written down with them in the Taurat and the Injil; he biddeth them to the seemly and prohibiteth unto them the unseemly, alloweth unto them things clean and forbiddeth unto them things unclean and relieveth them of their burthen and the shackles which have been upon them. SO THOSE who believe in him and side with him and succour him and follow the light which hath been sent down with him; those they shall fare well 7157

                    This verse was valid when the MESSENGER, THE PROPHET, THE GENTILE was ALIVE and it does not have any relation with the present believers.

                    Please correct me if I am mistaken.

                    Thanks

                    Sorry for the repeated post, it was due to some problem with my PC

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                      Salam Pazuzu,
                      Befitting reply. I'm afraid it will fall on deaf ears of sectarians.

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                        ........Then those who BELIEVE in him, and HONOR him, and HELP him, and FOLLOW the light which is sent down with him they are the SUCCESSFUL 7157

                        I believe in the Messenger, I follow the Light (Quran) but I cannot HELP the Messenger since he is no more alive?

                        QUESTION Will I be SUCCESSFUL?

                        I believe the messenger as the best person in the word in respect of character, I believe he was the mirror of the Quran, I believe he erred but never sinned. Now tell me whether this belief of mine is a part or whole of the RESPECT.

                        Salamun alaika,

                        Good thinking in line with Qur'aan.

                        You cannot help him!! How do you help-aid Allah the Exalted?

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                          Salaam,

                          I have respect for the Messengers but I treat them as Believers who were particularly blessed because of their righteousness and not like superhumans who were without sin or never erred. They were pious and God helped them become even more so and bestowed Messengership upon them. Those who share the same personality trait and are pious will be blessed and could be regarded as similar rank to Messengers.

                          I think we have a different view on this and I fear for you, but I will not force you to believe as I do. If you want to go as far as revere your Messenger do it but I will not be involved as I fear God.

                          The Messengers primary duty was to be signs of God that people may believe and not to be revered. People were told to regard, help and serve the Messenger Muhammad in the service of God. Love or what you talked is always subjective to what context it applied to. In the relevant verses I get it as to devote to it more wholeheartedly and not like a idolatrous love and nowadays these Messengers are something of the past and cannot be aided anymore. They fought their last fight already.

                          But love the Believers of those who are pious and love God even if they are in a clear minority and follow the Message that the Prophets left behind.

                          God bless you

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                            Peace brother Mazhar

                            I asked you two questions which you avoided and straight away posted me another question. Anyway I will try my level best to convince you.

                            Please, always give answers to questions asked by the person who is discussing with you and then continue your debate / discussion with subsequent questions. Please do not take it in a negative way as we are brothers from across the borders and moreover we are believers and discussion is nothing but an attempt to understand the Quran in a better AND LOGICAL way. There is no win or lose situation. If you are offended, then please forgive me.

                            Who is it that would loan Allah a goodly loan so He may multiply it for him many times over? And it is Allah who withholds and grants abundance, and to Him you will be returned 2245

                            Can you give a loan directly to Allah? I am sure you won?t

                            Indeed, the men who practice charity and the women who practice charity and have loaned Allah a goodly loan - it will be multiplied for them, and they will have a noble reward 571

                            The loan is metaphor; those who are engaged day and night in the cause of charities are lending a (indirect) goodly loan to Allah.

                            In the same way HELPING Allah is also metaphor.

                            They said Burn him and help your gods, if you are going to do (anything). 2168

                            The disbelievers helped their gods by following their beliefs (statutes) in the same way the believers HELP Allah by following HIS statutes

                            For the poor emigrants who were expelled from their homes and their properties, seeking bounty from Allah and approval and supporting Allah and His Messenger, . Those are the truthful 598

                            The poor emigrants who believed in Allah and His Messenger were expelled from their homes with their belongings and their believing and migrating was the factor that was HELPING Allah. Anything done for his CAUSE is as good as HELPING Allah

                            We have already sent Our messengers with clear evidences and sent down with them the Scripture and the balance that the people may maintain in justice. And We sent down iron, wherein is great military might and benefits for the people, and so that Allah may make evident those who support Him and His messengers unseen. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might 5725

                            Through messengers, clear evidences, the Book, Balance (of justice / equity) , Iron ( sent down for the benefit of MANKIND) Allah will know who are His actual supporters.

                            Believe in the Messenger and help him when he is alive.
                            Believe in the Book which is sent down.
                            Deal justly and with equity with the people
                            Use the Iron for the benefit of the people.

                            He who violates any norms of the above, is not the supporter of Allah. And he who upholds the above norms then he has surely HELPED Allah

                            O you who have believed, be supporters of Allah, as when Jesus, the son of Mary, said to the disciples, "Who are my supporters for Allah?" The disciples said, "We are supporters of Allah." And a faction of the Children of Israel believed and a faction disbelieved. So We supported those who believed against their enemy, and they became dominant. (61 14)

                            But when Jesus felt disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for Allah?" The disciples said, "We are supporters for Allah. We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims . (3 52)

                            The disciples did not do any extraordinary thing except that they supported Jesus and that was the reason they called themselves supporters of Allah. Again those who believe (in truth) and testify that have submitted (in truth) to the will of Allah are also called the supporters of Allah.

                            those who have been evicted from their homes without right - only because they say, "Our Lord is Allah." And were it not that Allah checks the people, some by means of others, there would have been demolished monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques in which the name of Allah is much mentioned. And Allah will surely support those who support Him. Indeed, Allah is Powerful and Exalted in Might. 2240

                            Allah does not demolish the monasteries, churches, synagogues, and mosques through each other (mankind) so whosoever follows HIS instructions is HELPING Allah.

                            If you are not convinced by my answers then please let me know how you HELP ALLAH

                            And my first two questions, please answer.

                            I believe in the Messenger, I follow the Light (Quran) but I cannot HELP the Messenger since he is no more alive?

                            QUESTION Will I be SUCCESSFUL?

                            Please define your RESPECT to the Messenger. (Probably I have to failed to grasp the meaning of RESPECT)

                            Thanks

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                              And my first two questions, please answer.

                              I believe in the Messenger, I follow the Light (Quran) but I cannot HELP the Messenger since he is no more alive?

                              QUESTION Will I be SUCCESSFUL?

                              Please define your RESPECT to the Messenger. (Probably I have to failed to grasp the meaning of RESPECT)

                              There were many many believers who were not in the company or even vicinity of the Messenger in the days when he was corporeally present in the world. "To help" does not necessarily mean something physical. It is assistance in the sense of advance something; promoting the mission of somone. They were certainly helping him when they were communicating and spreading the Ayat of Qur'aan which they had listened or obtained in writing from him.

                              He was trying his best to remove the shackles of conjectural myths around the necks of people and to bring them to the words of the infallible book. Do it, if you can, it is your help. You follow the Qur'aan, you are helping yourself to escape the gates of hell-prison; it was his deep felt desire that you act according to Qur'aan and save yourself. Arent' you helping him to be happy?

                              RESPECT

                              It is esteem a feeling or attitude of admiration and deference toward somebody or something.

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                                Have anybody here ever wondered why

                                • There's NO DETAIL INSTRUCTION ON HOW TO PRAY within the Gospel?

                                The only place where it mention "Praying" in the Gospel is this

                                "And when you pray, you shall not be like the hypocrites.
                                For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Assuredly, I say to you, they have their reward.

                                But you, when you pray, go into your room, and when you have shut your door, pray to your Father who is in the secret place; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you openly.

                                And when you pray, don?t babble on and on like the pagans, who think God will hear them better if they talk a lot.
                                Don?t be like them, because your Father knows what you need before you ask him.
                                You, therefore, pray like this

                                Our Father in heaven,
                                Hallowed be Your name.
                                Your kingdom come.
                                Your will be done
                                On earth as it is in heaven.
                                Give us this day our daily bread.
                                And forgive us our debts,
                                As we forgive our debtors.
                                And do not lead us into temptation,
                                But deliver us from the evil one.
                                For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.

                                For if you forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you; but if you do not forgive others their offenses, your heavenly Father will not forgive yours."

                                -- Matthew 6

                                No instruction on 'timing', 'pose', 'direction for praying', 'what language should be used for praying', 'who should be in the front', 'what should we do if we fart during praying' etc.. etc.. etc..

                                Which brings out questions

                                • DOES ALL OF THOSE TECHNICALITIES MATTERS?
                                • WHY WE ALL NEED TO PRAY IN THE EXACTLY THE SAME MANNER?
                                • WHAT'S THE OBJECTIVE OF PRAYING?

                                Salam / Peace

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                                  Now I am looking forward to see the explanation HOW is it DONE...
                                  Looking forward to the continuation.

                                  Salam brother ,

                                  2014 (Indeed, I am Allah. There is no deity except Me, so serve Me and establish prayer for My remembrance / Li dherkri .)

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                                  Notice that the word used for " remembrance al-dhikr" is the same word used to describe the quran itself

                                  156 (And they say,"O you upon whom " The remembrance / al-dhikr" has been sent down, indeed you are mad.)

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                                  381 (S. By the Qur'an containing remembrance / dhikr )

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                                  6851 (And indeed, those who disbelieve would almost make you slip with their eyes when they hear " The remembrance / al-dhikr" , and they say, "Indeed, he is mad.)

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                                  So the salah has to be established to " The remembrance / al-dhikr" , how ?

                                  2238 (Maintain with care the prayers and the middle prayer and stand before Allah , devoutly obedient.)
                                  2239 (And if you fear on foot or riding. But when you are secure, then remember / adhkuru Allah , as He has taught you that which you did not know)

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                                  Were allah has taught us how to remember / dhikr him ?

                                  ***First what is the purpose of the prostration / Sujud ( physically and intellectually )

                                  9619 (No! Do not obey him. But prostrate and draw near .)

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                                  *** second What to say in prostration

                                  5040 ( And of the night magnify Him / SabihH and after prostration.)

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                                  What is the wording of the magnificence / Tasbih from the qur'an

                                  1010 (Their call ( du3A ) therein will be, " Subhanek allaahm / Magnificent are You, Allah ," and their greeting therein will be "Salam." And the last of their call will be, "Al-hamd li Allah / Praise to Allah , Lord of the worlds!&quot

                                  In my understanding at prostration / sujud , the remembrance / dikhr mentioned is magnificence / Tasbih only and that as per 5040 ,

                                  What is the form of physical prostration ?

                                  1529 (And when I have proportioned him and breathed into him of My Ruh, then fall down / Qa3u to him in prostration.&quot

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                                  What is Qa3u in Arabic , it is from the 2nd root Q3 .

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                                  WuQu3 al-matar / Rain falling

                                  1012 (And when affliction touches man, he calls upon Us, whether lying on his side or sitting / Qa3ida or standing; but when We remove from him his affliction, he continues as if he had never called upon Us to an affliction that touched him. Thus is made pleasing to the transgressors that which they have been doing)

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                                  856 (When they were sitting / Qu3ud near it)

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                                  20105 (And they ask you about the mountains, so say, "My Lord will blow them away with a blast.)
                                  20106 (He will leave them as plains (Qaa3a) smooth and level)

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                                  al-Qaa3 is the plain , the foundation or the base of something plural Qi3an and Qwua3d.

                                  2439 (But those who disbelieved - their deeds are like a mirage in a lowland ( Baqi3ah) which a thirsty one thinks is water until, when he comes to it, he finds it is nothing but finds Allah before Him, and He will pay him in full his due; and Allah is swift in account.)

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                                  A plain or low land where the mirage is formed , this land is called Qi3ah as it is a lower or at the bottom of the land

                                  So Qa3u in 1529 mean to fall down till the plain ground

                                  The shadows of all things and creatures are prostrating , how ?

                                  1648 (Have they not considered what things Allah has created? Their shadows incline to the right and to the left, prostrating to Allah , while they are humble.)

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                                  1648 (And to Allah prostrates whoever is within the heavens and the earth, willingly or by compulsion, and their shadows in the mornings and the afternoons.)

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                                  What is the connection between the shadows and the physical prostration ?

                                  2545 (Have you not considered your Lord - how He extends the shadow, and if He willed, He could have made it stationary? Then We made the sun for it an indication.)

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                                  The shadow of a dune extending , making prostration ( sujud ) to allah

                                  what is the purpose of the prostration / Sujud ( physically and intellectually )

                                  9619 (No! Do not obey him. But prostrate and draw near .)

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                                  While standing as per 399 , below are remembrance / dikhr from the qur'an about what to say

                                  chapter 1 chapter 114 , chapter 112 , chapter 113 ,

                                  These are verses about what to say and if we search we find more , these are some examples

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                                    GODsubmitter
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                                    So it is similar to the ritual as taught by the late Dr. Rashad Khalifa PhD?

                                    http//www.masjidtucson.org/submission/practices/salat/howtoperformsalat.html

                                    Thanx

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                                      GODsubmitter
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                                      Pity that the guy who started this thread hasn't returned...

                                      yet...

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                                        Man_of_Faith
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                                        Salaam,

                                        I think he is with his Arab experts at the academy.

                                        God bless you

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                                          dnagroupsa
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                                          I am not sure what language namaz is in.... but i am quite sure it is not arabic.
                                          The arabs also pray the ritual salah and therefore i dont think it could be invented by another people who speak another tongue but could have been adopted by them and given the name namaz of which you speak.

                                          The story of Buraq was invented by arabs themselves so i am not sure how you reconcile the two.

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