zakir Naik

Saeed_ibn_Salam

Salaam;
While it is against Al-Qur'an to slander, gossip and say bad things about people; What do You think of Da'aes and Dawah in general? I used to be Sunni and I was influenced by Ahmed Deedat & Zakir Naik. Naik especially has a silver tounge; He memorized Al-Qur'an, The Vedas, Al-Injil and the Buddhist scriptures. Be wary of Him submitters, He can sway even the most Athiestic person by twisting words and antagonizing them.

drfazl

Silver tongued personality

https//www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bk5q9TeGo14

salam

jhonsonmustafa

Salaam;
While it is against Al-Qur'an to slander, gossip and say bad things about people; What do You think of Da'aes and Dawah in general? I used to be Sunni and I was influenced by Ahmed Deedat & Zakir Naik. Naik especially has a silver tounge; He memorized Al-Qur'an, The Vedas, Al-Injil and the Buddhist scriptures. Be wary of Him submitters, He can sway even the most Athiestic person by twisting words and antagonizing them.

Just for the sake of Memorization You are following him.

Living BY Quran is the example not by Memorization. Those who memorize Quran nothing but Tape Record simple Brain Activity. He has refer the books and totally dependent on knowledge of men and books.

Those who Live by Quran is the Heart Activity the Energy is everlasting and every breathe the Wisdom Pours in and non stopping. For these
people they live every where and they don't need any books or materials but Direct Wisdom from GOD with New SIGNs and everlasting peace.They live in blessings
and no time for arguments or whatever etc.... They are highly dignified people.

Released

I think he's a clown.

unknownuser

Silver tongued personality

https//www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=bk5q9TeGo14

salam

This is the risk for the people who studying too much (I mean Zakir Naik) D.

hafeez_kazi

Peace all

Dr. Zakir Naik happens to be one of my distant relatives and his father Dr. Karim Naik was very close to my father and they worked together for the betterment of our society.

However I hate Zakir Naik because he has a very little knowledge of Quran and more of the Hdith and other religious Books. He follows Hadith rather than the Quran. He has not authored any book based on the Quran but Hadith. In one of his speech he translated one particular verse from the Quran which shocked me because the subject was totally missing in the Arabic Verse

And hold firmly to the rope of Allah (AND THE AUTHENTIC HADITH of MUHAMMAD sa.w.) all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided. 3103

He added "THE AUTHENTIC HADITH of MUHAMMAD s.a.w. which is not there in Arabic. I challenged one of his followers, who was a very intimate friend of mine, on this subject, but what I got in return was that he turned away from me without giving me a satisfactory reply and never tried to contact me afterwards and thus our concrete friendship crumbled by the force of the nonsense authentic hadith.

Not many people may be knowing that he has been banned for preaching Islam in every state of India for mocking the GANPATI GOD of the Hindus for which he has no right.

Ridiculing others for any reason is FORBIDDEN BY ALLAH. This he should have learned from the Quran before standing on the Dais for preaching Islam and the Quran and the Hadith

He received money in millions from the Imam of Mecca some four years back. He has opened an Islamic School where only the wealthy can afford the fees and no poor people can dare to approach that school and in the name of Islam he actually teaches the recitation and the memorization of the Quran and the HADITH.

I have more to write but I think that is enough

Thanks

jhonsonmustafa

Peace all

Dr. Zakir Naik happens to be one of my distant relatives and his father Dr. Karim Naik was very close to my father and they worked together for the betterment of our society.

However I hate Zakir Naik because he has a very little knowledge of Quran and more of the Hdith and other religious Books. He follows Hadith rather than the Quran. He has not authored any book based on the Quran but Hadith. In one of his speech he translated one particular verse from the Quran which shocked me because the subject was totally missing in the Arabic Verse

And hold firmly to the rope of Allah (AND THE AUTHENTIC HADITH of MUHAMMAD sa.w.) all together and do not become divided. And remember the favor of Allah upon you - when you were enemies and He brought your hearts together and you became, by His favor, brothers. And you were on the edge of a pit of the Fire, and He saved you from it. Thus does Allah make clear to you His verses that you may be guided. 3103

He added "THE AUTHENTIC HADITH of MUHAMMAD s.a.w. which is not there in Arabic. I challenged one of his followers, who was a very intimate friend of mine, on this subject, but what I got in return was that he turned away from me without giving me a satisfactory reply and never tried to contact me afterwards and thus our concrete friendship crumbled by the force of the nonsense authentic hadith.

Not many people may be knowing that he has been banned for preaching Islam in every state of India for mocking the GANPATI GOD of the Hindus for which he has no right.

Ridiculing others for any reason is FORBIDDEN BY ALLAH. This he should have learned from the Quran before standing on the Dais for preaching Islam and the Quran and the Hadith

He received money in millions from the Imam of Mecca some four years back. He has opened an Islamic School where only the wealthy can afford the fees and no poor people can dare to approach that school and in the name of Islam he actually teaches the recitation and the memorization of the Quran and the HADITH.

I have more to write but I think that is enough

Thanks

Good

Jafar

He received money in millions from the Imam of Mecca some four years back. He has opened an Islamic School where only the wealthy can afford the fees and no poor people can dare to approach that school and in the name of Islam he actually teaches the recitation and the memorization of the Quran and the HADITH.

He's indeed a good salesman for Salafi's products..
I don't hate him in anyway, he's just trying to make some living by doing his job, doing what his boss told him to do..

Man_of_Faith

Salaam,

Hmm... take money to teach God's religion/system. That is against the Quranic teachings as far as I know, is it not? And that guy is not a Messenger that is for sure or he would never ask for any money.

God bless you

Jafar

Hmm... take money to teach God's religion/system. That is against the Quranic teachings as far as I know, is it not?

Well first there isn't any such thing as "God's religion".
ALL of the world religions was created by men or the priest/cleric to be exact, usually around certain famous historical figures or even fictitious character. (such as Deities)

While for teaching God's systems a.k.a Natural Law it is okay to take money / salary.
That's basically what the lecturer did in university.

To me what Mr Naik did which is "Teaching the Salafi's religion / legends / tradition / culture" and make money from it is quite okay. What is not okay is if he start to spread hatred towards other religion / legends / tradition / culture.

Salam

bookish

I want to see Zakir Naik debate with Edip Yuksel. He mostly holds debates in front of a crowd of Muslims who supports him and claps for him...which really makes it so uncomfortable for the person he is debating with. That's not quite fair.

Most traditional Muslims have great admiration for him...

He added "THE AUTHENTIC HADITH of MUHAMMAD s.a.w. which is not there in Arabic. I challenged one of his followers, who was a very intimate friend of mine, on this subject, but what I got in return was that he turned away from me without giving me a satisfactory reply and never tried to contact me afterwards and thus our concrete friendship crumbled by the force of the nonsense authentic hadith.

Can you tell me bro how you challenged him? Most of the time I have a hard time answering questions from traditional muslims....questions like, What is the Restricted Temple? Which direction should we face while praying? How do we know when to fast? How do we know how to perform Hajj?

As far as I know....we haven't found any convincing answers to these questions yet...from Koran alone...have we? So it really is quite challenging for us to persuade traditional muslims to follow Koran alone...

Man_of_Faith

Salaam Jafar,

Why do you think I wrote "religion/system"? Because some people are not familiar with our knowledge so I wrote the mainstream alternative too. But I am sure you intended to just be of help. What you wrote was just true.

The word religion is a human term and you know I know it, but somehow it is sometimes usable as terminology so that everyone will understand.

Ah well, I do not intend to be grumpy now that we had such a pleasant aura.

I am not sure I think I agree that what he does it right, it is just greediness.

God bless you

hafeez_kazi

Peace bookish

Can you tell me bro how you challenged him? Most of the time I have a hard time answering questions from traditional muslims....questions like, What is the Restricted Temple? Which direction should we face while praying? How do we know when to fast? How do we know how to perform Hajj?

In simple language I told him that if I say "hold the rope of Allah and the authentic Hadith of Kazi", will you accept it? He said, " No". I asked him why? He replied, You are not an authority to write about the messenger because you were not a companion of the messenger and neither you heard the messenger saying. I interrupted him and said, You are wrong and lying. You know that what I said is not mentioned in the Quran, but my fantasy, but you believe the fantasies of Zakir Naik (based on Bukhari) which contradicts logic and the Quran. I asked him to show me the the words "authentic Hadith" in the Arabic Quran. He became dumb and angry and left the place and never returned.

While translating the Quran there was mass corruption (the process by which a word or expression is changed from its original state to one regarded as erroneous or debased) of the verses. To dig out the truth from the piles of rubbish lies and that too after 1400 Years plus is not an easy joke. But believe me, the lies, forgery, distortion will be exposed not sooner but later by some people who have devoted their life for this purpose.

Although we are not in a position to give answers to their silly questions but they are also finding it hard to answer our questions on all the subjects which we do not agree and which are based on the verses of the Quran.

The Qibla which is never a prayer direction in the absence of the word SALAT from verse 2142 to 150 is yet to be be proved even by the traditionalist.

Regarding the Restricted temple I will quote a few verses which will make you understand what is AMAH

But what plea have they that Allah should not punish them, when they keep out (men) from the sacred Mosque - and they are not its guardians? No men can be its guardians except the righteous; but most of them do not understand. 834

AMAH was under the control of the disbelievers and they were its caretakers / guardians and it means that this place was present before the advent of Islam and if it was present then what were the disbelievers doing in the AMAH which is a prayer place? Were they offering the ritual prayers? Were idols stationed inside the AMAH? There is no verse that says the believers built the AMAH. The AMAH was already there and Allah made AMAH a place equal for the DWELLERS and the strangers (mankind)

Do you find DWELLERS in the AMAH in Mecca?

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Verily those who disbelieve and hinder others from the path of Allah and from the Sacred Mosque which We have appointed for MANKIND, equal in respect thereunto are the dweller therein and the stranger. And whosoever seek by means of refuge (in AMAH) for wrong doing, We shall make him taste of a torment afflictive. 2225

Is the present AMAH in MECCA a dwelling place? What the maximum you can do in AMAH?

The translators have translated the word as VIOLATE / PROFANE / DEVIATION / PARTIALITY / INCLINE

Now what is the violation/incline/deviation/profane and wrong doing in AMAH?

Can anyone deviate (from what) in the AMAH? Can anyone violate (what) in AMAH? Can anyone incline (to what) in AMAH?

Can anyone do wrong in AMAH?

and are prefixed by the preposition BI which is neglected by the translators.

verse 11117 6131 (BI ZULMIN FOR WRONG DOING) and verse 682 (BI ZULMIN WITH WRONG DOING)

But verse 2225 becomes (WRONG DOING) the preposition BI (FOR / WITH) is omitted from the translation.

You can?t trust the traditional translators because they are validating through the translation of the Quran the false stories, claims, history that appears in the NONSENSE books of HADITH.

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Can any of the meanings of ZALAMA be executed in AMAH?

It is a clear indication that this verse is not speaking of a place called AMAH in Mecca where only prayers are offered, but it is an INVIOLABE PLACE OF SUBMISSION where ZALAMA is not tolerated and those who seek / desire / wish by means of REFUGE for ZALAMA then Allah will taste him a painful punishment.

They ask you about the sacred month - about fighting therein. Say, "Fighting therein is great , but averting from the way of Allah and disbelief in Him and al-Masjid al-Haram and the expulsion of its people therefrom are greater in the sight of Allah. 2217

Does AMAH have ITS PEOPLE? Were they BELIEVERS, DISBELIEVERS, JEWS, CHRISTIANS, GENTILES etc. If it was a prayer place the maximum the disbelievers would have done was to stop the BELIEVERS, JEWS and CHRISTIANS from praying in the AMAH, but on the contrary they were expelled from AMAH.

Expel force someone to leave a place esp. a country.

In the Quran you will find linked with homes/places/land but never from a place of prayer

Expulsion is always from a dwelling place and not from the place of prayer.

Through Quran we know that we have to fast in the month of Ramadhan and it is detailed.

Regarding Hajj 2196 is not a part of the Hajj as it was for the people of the prophet present with the messenger of the alleged Mecca/ Medina. It has nothing to do with the current believers as the verse was revealed as a solution to those people who may be restricted from performing the HAJJ and such things never happened as is the case with 4101 / 2 (it never happened but a precaution) 4101 / 2 is never a Ritual Prayer. WHY?

And when ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies 4101

Almost every translator omitted / neglected the preposition in their translation. WHY? Because the fabricated lie of the Hadith will be exposed. When we translate correctly with the preposition (MIN), then the meaning of the verse changes to something other than what the traditional translators have offered us.

And when ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies 4101

What is the shortening FROM the SALAT? You can shorten the visit (by time or distance), you can shorten your hair/dress (by length), and similarly you can shorten the prayer by units, but cannot shorten FROM the prayer. There is a deep conspiracy of the enemies of Islam to drive you away from the real interpretation of this verse.

When Allah has not described the SALAT in the QURAN then HOW will HE command us to SHORTEN the SALAT or SHORTEN FROM the SALAT. The translators are making a mockery of the QURAN and ALLAH. It is same thing like Allah telling us to marry women and the women HE has not created yet.

The perfect meaning of TAQSURU which logically fits in the above verse is completely neglected and instead that meaning is applied which makes the verse DIFFICULT TO UNDESTAND from the logical point of view

And when ye MARCH FORTH in the land (for fighting), there is no blame on you if you REFRAIN / CEASE from the COMMAND of fighting (verse 2191/193 & 839) if you fear that the disbelievers may PERSECUTE you For the disbelievers are unto you OPEN ENEMIES 4101

The picture is clear. When the believers are marching forth in the land (for fighting) against a directed/aimed/targeted enemy, and on the way if they meet the other disbelievers, not targeted, who may or may not persecute the believers, but if the believers fear that they may PERSECUTE them, then the believers should REFRAIN/ CEASE from the command of fighting and should NOT FIGHT WITH THEM (should not follow verse 2191/193 & 839 fight them until there remains no persecution) because the aim here is not to fight with the NEW enemy but the targeted enemy.

In the next verse 4102 the command of RESTRAINING from the fight is WITHDRAWN and instead commanded the believers to be ready for the fight with the disbelievers and this is only because, that the prophet happens to be among them.

BOTH THE ABOVE VERSE ARE INVALID TODAY AS IT WAS COMMANDED TO THE PROPHET AND HIS FOLLOWERS OF THAT TIME.

TODAY THERE IS NO PROPHET, AND TODAY THERE IS NO SUCH FITNA , NO PEACE TREATIES AND NO SUCH MARCHING FORTH IN THE LAND FOR FIGHTING.

This is my understanding as of today.

Thanks

cleanfox5982

While for teaching God's systems a.k.a Natural Law it is okay to take money / salary.
That's basically what the lecturer did in university.

Salam ,

Apologies for the off topic ( of the thread )

Salam Jafar ,

Will you be able to explain clearly about what is gods's systems a.k.a Natural law according to you and in accordance to the qur'an ? and how can someone make money from ?

I asked you last month regarding the concept of Law , but you didn't answered it .......... here it is the link

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605735.0

Can you kindly answer ? If no , can you discuss or debate with me about this topic ?

diamantinehoneybunch

Zakir Naik is just a clown and puppet of Salafis. He has caught lying for a countless time. He uses Qur'an to convert the masses and then teach hadith laws such as beards, hijabs, no music to muslims.

Mikebloke

I feel sorry for him. I've watched a number of his shows where he asks for questions and then they make statements. He even tells them every time not to waste his and actually ask something but no, the idiots just say random things that has nothing to do with what he is talking about.

He's also banned from the UK for something he said in the 90's which he retracted later anyway.

Its all a bit of a joke.

unknownuser

the idiots just say random things that has nothing to do with what he is talking about.

He's also banned from the UK for something he said in the 90's which he retracted later anyway.

This man is very popular in my country especially among conservative muslims.Even some of his video is translated into our languages.

We cannot define people's theory just only by looking his madzab or backgrounds.
Even he is Sunni, but some of his theory about Quran and Bible during his debate against Campbell is make sense just like Ahmad Deedat when debate Soros.

Jafar

Salam ,

Apologies for the off topic ( of the thread )

Salam Jafar ,

Will you be able to explain clearly about what is gods's systems a.k.a Natural law according to you and in accordance to the qur'an ? and how can someone make money from ?

I asked you last month regarding the concept of Law , but you didn't answered it .......... here it is the link

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605735.0

Can you kindly answer ? If no , can you discuss or debate with me about this topic ?

It's very simple.. if it's God's Law/Decree/Policy/Decision/Regulation, surely nobody can break it. If a being can break it then it's not God's Law.

Example of God's Law/Decree/Policy/Decision/Regulation

Law of Gravity
Everything which have a beginning shall have an end including, human, animal, plant, star, planet, galaxy, this universe.
Human are a being made of carbon
Dinosaur extinction in the past
Speed of light
Everybody shall earn what they deserve, a.k.a "Karmic Law".
F = M x a
E = MC2
etc.. etc.. etc..

And many people makes money from teaching the above law / decree to others.. and it's OK..

There are billions or trillions of other God's law IN THIS UNIVERSE that human is still trying to seek it out, it will be a never ending quest until the end of humanity.
There's also possibility of "The Law" might be different in OTHER UNIVERSE.

Salam / Peace

bookish