3 times Salat (2+1) in Qur'an, 2 page PDF with Color Charts.
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Peace,
I am in no interest of your words, nor do I have time or motivation to study Arabic more than I already do and also I think that despite Arabic knowledge of your experts they are out bicycling.
I was not writing to you either.
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Peace,
I am in no interest of your words, nor do I have time or motivation to study Arabic more than I already do and also I think that despite Arabic knowledge of your experts they are out bicycling.
I was not writing to you either.
In others words you stand exposed as utter nonsense. Whenever questioning gets "tough" you lose your pretty little head.
Look - all your "Quran only" brethren turn out like that . . . keep walking son. I got your number...
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It is more that I do not waste energy on something futile. I have done it too much already. And also why waste energy and try to help someone who is not open-minded and who is insulting and rude?
I am here to discuss with interested people, and not debate with those who follow traditional ways, and particularly come across as very intense, dogmatic and cold, and not open to reflect. I said I am not interested in your religion and if you want to call me anything other than Muslim go ahead, God will suffice me.
If you find it interesting with what I have delved into then feel free, but if you are just here to provoke my anger and annoy me then please go away.
I serve God, and I do it without complicating things. You are a great test and I failed because I lost my temper, but I would not say you do much better, or what do you say? Then I meant the behavioral part of God's creed. Do you know about that?
Peace out
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It is more that I do not waste energy on something futile. I have done it too much already. And also why waste energy and try to help someone who is not open-minded and who is insulting and rude?
I am here to discuss with interested people, and not debate with those who follow traditional ways, and particularly come across as very intense, dogmatic and cold, and not open to reflect. I said I am not interested in your religion and if you want to call me anything other than Muslim go ahead, God will suffice me.
If you find it interesting with what I have delved into then feel free, but if you are just here to provoke my anger and annoy me then please go away.
I serve God, and I do it without complicating things. You are a great test and I failed because I lost my temper, but I would not say you do much better, or what do you say? Then I meant the behavioral part of God's creed. Do you know about that?
Peace out
But you are not open minded . . . and I have never sought your help in anything.
I am neither insulting or rude. Might I refer you to your swearing?
I am here to discuss with interested people, and not debate with those who follow traditional ways, and particularly come across as very intense, dogmatic and cold, and not open to reflect. I said I am not interested in your religion and if you want to call me anything other than Muslim go ahead, God will suffice me.
The very definition of being closed-minded!
If you find it interesting with what I have delved into then feel free, but if you are just here to provoke my anger and annoy me then please go away.
I have shown this repeatedly . . .
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You do not know much about anything.
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You do not learn . . . but really want it to be taken that you are somehow a really wise person.
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When your BS is challenged and it falls apart . . . then you start blithering by being rude, insulting, falsely accusing. . . and swearing.
I serve God, and I do it without complicating things. You are a great test and I failed because I lost my temper, but I would not say you do much better, or what do you say? Then I meant the behavioral part of God's creed. Do you know about that?
As does the Australian Jesus . . . so how do you tell your god apart from his? Or are they the same ones?
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Peace.
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Salaam Man of Faith.
Looks Like you missunderstood my post again.Yes it's online porum, some misscommunication always occur in here.
But if you desire to give Salah a ritualistic meaning then go ahead, but it does not seem to suit the Message and the context in my opinion.
I never said like this.
What I mean is ; the Quranites never knew if salah is physical ritual, if they never became ahlul-hadith before.
No need to know Arabic, just by using translations, we will know if salah and prostate-bowing looks like the two different things and always written separately, if we rely upon Quran only.I am not a The Book or Islam freak as you know and I do not idolize The Book and I evaluate it to the best of my ability and I only want to follow God and not conjecture due to manly interpretations. However I found the ancient Arabic passages to have a high degree of divine influence and therefore I study this book
I also use information from other religions in my research for the true path because I do not deem the Message exclusive to the Arabs as even God adds in The Book.
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It's a good way, I appreciate it.This mean you're not use Quran only, but use another sources (like Bible) to strengthening our faith.I'm also do something like that.
Unfortunately Quran doen't allow us to use another sources (7750), but if we use Quran only we actually will get many-many conjectures which we never aware to realize it before.
God blees u
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Salaam Man of Faith.
Looks Like you missunderstood my post again.Yes it's online porum, some misscommunication always occur in here.
I never said like this.
What I mean is ; the Quranites never knew if salah is physical ritual, if they never became ahlul-hadith before.
No need to know Arabic, just by using translations, we will know if salah and prostate-bowing looks like the two different things and always written separately, if we rely upon Quran only.
.It's a good way, I appreciate it.This mean you're not use Quran only, but use another sources (like Bible) to strengthening our faith.I'm also do something like that.
Unfortunately Quran doen't allow us to use another sources (7750), but if we use Quran only we actually will get many-many conjectures which we never aware to realize it before.
God blees u
Dear, it is the ultimate irony . . . the "Quran only" are among the first to run towards "other sources". It is easy to see . . . in this forum.
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peace Earthdom,
Unfortunately Quran doen't allow us to use another sources (7750)...
I am sorry to say but it is no wonder you left "Islam" if your understanding of verses is like this (i.e. incorrect understanding, in my view)
For a superb analysis of how God communicates to man, as per Quran, I recommend the book "God and Man in Koran" by Toshihiko Izutsu
http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/islamic-books-online.html -
Peace Wakas
For a superb analysis of how God communicates to man, as per Quran, I recommend the book "God and Man in Koran" by Toshihiko Izutsu
http//www.islam-and-muslims.com/islamic-books-online.htmlIndeed his theory has nothing to do with so called speculative religious system named "Quraniyoon".
I'm also don't think if Izutsu, a great scholar himself wanted to sacrifice for becaming a Quraniyoon.No one Quraniyoon scholars even use Quran only to intepreted some system of ibadah, especially Ahmed Mansour.
In his theory of hajj, he even still need another narrations to understand what is hajj. -
peace Earthdom,
No one Quraniyoon scholars even use Quran only to intepreted some system of ibadah, especially Ahmed Mansour.
In his theory of hajj, he even still need another narrations to understand what is hajj.Let me clarify my position in case there is any misunderstanding.
Quran clearly states we can use many types/sources of information, including our own reason. If someone uses these sources to over-rule Quran, contradict Quran, or considered obligatory etc then there are problems.
Here is an explanation of hajj without any Traditional Hadith
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
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peace Earthdom,
Let me clarify my position in case there is any misunderstanding.
Quran clearly states we can use many types/sources of information, including our own reason. If someone uses these sources to over-rule Quran, contradict Quran, or considered obligatory etc then there are problems.
Here is an explanation of hajj without any Traditional Hadith
http//mypercept.co.uk/articles/meaning-hajj-Quran.html
You probably wont read it though.As many critics have pointed out the rejection of Hadith came in order to align Islam with modern enlightenment values. Getting rid of Hadith and then re-interpreting Quran to fit in better was the easy way. If you read the "Reformist Quran" that is pretty obvious. One problem is the sheer intellectual dishonesty of the whole approach.
Ignorant rants about Sunni Islam aside . . . what does the above link reveal? Yeah . . . back to the same methodology Sunni scholars took years to establish. In the process advancing logic and establishing the science of linguistics, philosophy and theology, historical methodologies and several branches of humanities.
First hurdle the "Quran only" fall at is - the inevitable reliance on Arabic. As Quran does not teach you the langauge and makes it clear that the book is in Arabic. Hence - "Quran only" is not really about "Quran only" at all . . . but more about rejecting Hadith. Again the problem with this is that the ancient Arabic lexicon are written in the same method as Hadith are written. . . which makes wholesale rejection of Hadith as near impossible position to hold.
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Peace Wakas
Indeed his theory has nothing to do with so called speculative religious system named "Quraniyoon".
I'm also don't think if Izutsu, a great scholar himself wanted to sacrifice for becaming a Quraniyoon.No one Quraniyoon scholars even use Quran only to intepreted some system of ibadah, especially Ahmed Mansour.
In his theory of hajj, he even still need another narrations to understand what is hajj.Salaam,
I can understand why you left "islam" but I do not understand why you are also on a crusade against us.
Did anyone here wronged you and you want to take revenge for it?Salaam,
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Peace Wakas and Benfer.
I already changed my mind http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606114.msg344838#new
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My comment is for corrections only to the PDF
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AlSalat Alwusta is Not a noun, it is an adjective. Thus it can still be understood as 2 Salat by name.
(2238 can be interpreted as to mean all your salats (i.e in your lifetime, hence the word is multiple plural. Also the end of the verse states to stand reverently = i.e in all your Salats = again lifetime) -
Another interpretation to the "additional prayer" is that the additional refers to studying the Quran, not an additional prayer.
The command is to study the Quran at dawn, and then it states to also, during the night 1778-9
(Compare the word additional which is also feminine here, but solely means additional, not an additional prayer 2172)
That was my take on it. Verification is encouraged and commanded.
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My comment is for corrections only to the PDF
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AlSalat Alwusta is Not a noun, it is an adjective. Thus it can still be understood as 2 Salat by name.
(2238 can be interpreted as to mean all your salats (i.e in your lifetime, hence the word is multiple plural. Also the end of the verse states to stand reverently = i.e in all your Salats = again lifetime) -
Another interpretation to the "additional prayer" is that the additional refers to studying the Quran, not an additional prayer.
The command is to study the Quran at dawn, and then it states to also, during the night 1778-9
(Compare the word additional which is also feminine here, but solely means additional, not an additional prayer 2172)
That was my take on it. Verification is encouraged and commanded.
I agree. This was discussed here also
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=7727.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606196.0 -
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It is a phrase; adjectival phrase. Adjectival description of first noun is given by a Comparative Noun; Definite; Singular; feminine; genitive, exactly matching on all counts with the described one. Its Root is " ". For convenience, an entry from Lane's Lexicon is reproduced hereunder
properly, the part of which several lateral, or outer, portions are equal; as, for instance, the middle finger but also meaning the part which is surrounded, or enclosed, on its several sides, although unequally (Msb) or the part that is between the two sides or extremities of a thing; (M, IB, Mgh, K as, for instance, the centre of a circle]
Grammatical analysis and parsing of 2238
Detailed article on As-Salat
Time Bound Protocol of Servitude and Allegiance The Key of the door of success
