A challenge to those who claim Quran states 5 salat daily
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peace Mazhar,
you and I have already discussed a little about the flaws in your article.But in any case, if you wish to accept this thread challenge please confirm here.
Conirmed.
Flaws? Please find one in that article about five timings; for convenience a graph is even given therein.
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I will join the chalennge if this about "By using Quran Only, Is there any verses in the Quran which said if salat is physical raki'-sujud ritual?"
Peace
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I believe that since salat has been revealed before the Quranic Revelation, one has to look to the previous people/ Scriptures whom Salat has been revealed to, in order to get more understanding of what Salat really is, and the numbers.
The focus groups would be (All of which are mentioned/alluded to in the Quran are
- Mandaeans (Sabaens) (5 prayers lessened to 3 Prayers by John the Baptist) (Sabaeen in Quran 2217)
- Zoroastrians (5 prayers) (Majus in Quran 2217)
- Samaritans (3 times, more on holidays) (Early schism of children of Israel)
- Early Jewish tribes/Torah/Tanakh (some 3, some 5, some combine 5 into 3 times)
- New Testament (3 times, 3rd, 6th, 9th hours)
The two hardest group to find out is Mandaeans and samaritans, since their numbers are few, and there is not a lot of available literature out there.
- This free online book is about Mandaeans
http//mandaeannetwork.com/Mandaean/en_The_Mandaeans_of_Iraq_and_Iran_sabians_mandaeannetwork.html?i1
Also as an intro to Mandaeans in english
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=ean-WKnw_nU-
Zoroastrianism
https//archive.org/details/ourownreligionin00millrich -
Samaritans outreach website
http//www.thesamaritanupdate.com/
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Salamun alaika;
It is a time bound protocol. It is prescribed for five points in time of a day; kindly open the link and see the mention of timings for five in a day.
Salamun alaika;
It is more correct to say As-Salamu. The Arabic definite article is required. Otherwise the "Alaika" would become an adjectival clause for the "Salamun" and what you are after is a complete meaningful sentence!
Sorry - little gripe!
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It is more correct to say As-Salamu. The Arabic definite article is required. Otherwise the "Alaika" would become an adjectival clause for the "Salamun" and what you are after is a complete meaningful sentence!
Sorry - little gripe!
Peace be with you.
Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
Regards.
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Peace be with you.
Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
Regards.
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You need to know something about the language . . .
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Peace be with you.
Sorry to interupt, but if 'As-Salamu' was the more correct form of the Islamic greeting, then surely God would have used 'As-Salamu' in the Quran. But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
Regards.
Salaam sis,
yes
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Salaam,
Bender -
Salaam sis,
yes
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Salaam,
BenderLike most - bender doesn't know any Arabic either . . . but is happy enough to . . .
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The following greeting is within a sentence - here its grammar position and function is different.
Bender seems not to be very clever either. Else he would have noticed
But in the Quran we can see that it is always 'Salamun'.
So the posting of his verse . . . was a pointless exercise.
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It is more correct to say As-Salamu. The Arabic definite article is required. Otherwise the "Alaika" would become an adjectival clause for the "Salamun" and what you are after is a complete meaningful sentence!
Sorry - little gripe!
"Alaika" is a Prepositional Phrase. It relates to the predicate. Salamun is a Verbal Noun. The difference between a Verb and Verbal Noun is that the verb has time reference while verbal noun has time reference only to the point in time of context. The use of definite verbal noun by Easa alahissalam is for reason of associating and particularizing it with points in time.
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"Alaika" is a Prepositional Phrase. It relates to the predicate. Salamun is a Verbal Noun. The difference between a Verb and Verbal Noun is that the verb has time reference while verbal noun has time reference only to the point in time of context. The use of definite verbal noun by Easa alahissalam is for reason of associating and particularizing it with points in time.
Pointing out that Salamun is a verbal noun is not very helpful and neither does it answer the objective put to you.
Verbal noun - is an English concept and does not quite correspond to Arabic.
Salam - is Masdar - that is Verbs originate from it . Verbal noun? Mostly in English - refer to Nouns that derive from a verb.
The question is one of making complete Arabic sentence. An indefinite noun and a prepositional phrase do not make a good Arabic sentences. That is why you need the 'Salam' to be definite- 'al-Salam'.
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Pointing out that Salamun is a verbal noun is not very helpful and neither does it answer the objective put to you.
Verbal noun - is an English concept and does not quite correspond to Arabic.
Salam - is Masdar - that is Verbs originate from it . Verbal noun? Mostly in English - refer to Nouns that derive from a verb.
The question is one of making complete Arabic sentence. An indefinite noun and a prepositional phrase do not make a good Arabic sentences. That is why you need the 'Salam' to be definite- 'al-Salam'.
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The question is one of making complete Arabic sentence. An indefinite noun and a prepositional phrase do not make a good Arabic sentences. That is why you need the 'Salam' to be definite- 'al-Salam'.
Grand Qur'aan is the source to verify correctness of use of language Arabic.
Refer 654
is a complete nominal sentence; prepositional phrase relates to elided predicate.
The subject/topic of a nominal sentence can be indefinite in few situations; one is that of supplication or prayer as is the case in above sentences.
A read about ellipses/elisions also might enlighten.
Elipsis omission of implied word the omission of one or more words from a sentence, especially when what is omitted can be understood from the context. -
Salaam
This is about pronoun/dhamir.
3alaykum/ and 3alayka/, both of this are true.
-kum/ is pronoun of antum, the plural form of "you".
-ka/ is pronoun of anta, the singular form of "you".Also there is no called "Al Salam" , the word is syamsiyah alphabet, and all syamsiyah words don't use definite alif-lam, but alif with following huruf.
Example , the definite used in this word is Alif and sa' not Alif-lam.
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Do you see anything else happening here? Having read his posts . . . I do not think Wakas is really up for a debate. In the mean time - might as well shoot the breeze.
Careful you don't shoot yourself in the foot, in the meantime.
This challenge has been posted on multiple Quran-islam facebook groups also, but so far, only 3 takers (I'm not even sure good logic confirmed). I was hoping for more. I will give it a little longer, if not, 3 will have to do.
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Also there is no called "Al Salam" , the word is syamsiyah alphabet, and all syamsiyah words don't use definite alif-lam, but alif with following huruf.
Huh? Alif-lam is always used, but the lam is not pronounced when the first letter of the word is a "sun letter". Hence is a correct arabic word (note salam is written without alif in the reading/"quran".
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Careful you don't shoot yourself in the foot, in the meantime.
This challenge has been posted on multiple Quran-islam facebook groups also, but so far, only 3 takers (I'm not even sure good logic confirmed). I was hoping for more. I will give it a little longer, if not, 3 will have to do.
Nothing like a Jab Jibe to get a reaction!
There aint going to be many more . . . so either get on with it - or quit it, petal.
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Grand Qur'aan is the source to verify correctness of use of language Arabic.
Refer 654
is a complete nominal sentence; prepositional phrase relates to elided predicate.
The subject/topic of a nominal sentence can be indefinite in few situations; one is that of supplication or prayer as is the case in above sentences.
A read about ellipses/elisions also might enlighten.
Elipsis omission of implied word the omission of one or more words from a sentence, especially when what is omitted can be understood from the context.prepositional phrase relates to elided predicate.
And herein lies your answer . . . and why is correct.
In your version Alikum relates NOT to an implied predicate but to Salamun the noun . . . hence it is not a complete sentence.
is a complete nominal sentence
No it isn't.
The subject/topic of a nominal sentence can be indefinite in few situations; one is that of supplication or prayer as is the case in above sentences.
This makes no sense at all . . . why would subject type dictate difference of grammar? The verse you give . . . is not a complete sentence.
The complete sentence is
