suggestion for arabic quran

wasi

peace to all my forum friends

well since allah has said many times in quran that this quran is in arabic
can anyone give me a suggestion from where i should get started with arabic
any good way best website
although i can read and understand basic arabic correctly but when it comes to quran i have a problems

unknownuser

Salaam

Some people use corpusquran.com, but don't believe too much on it because still have traditionalist terms.

Quran Arabic is Classical Arab and still have same vocabularies with modern one, mostly.
The difference is on it's pattern (fushaa).

The best Classical Arab dictionaries I ever found is Lane Lexicon and Lisan ul Arab, you can download it by googling or just via Wakas's studyquran.com.

wasi

http//www.studyquran.org/ArabicDictionaries.htm

this page ....which one i am confused

Bender

peace to all my forum friends

well since allah has said many times in quran that this quran is in arabic
can anyone give me a suggestion from where i should get started with arabic
any good way best website
although i can read and understand basic arabic correctly but when it comes to quran i have a problems

Salaamun alayka bro,

I used and still using this site 90% of times.
Go to a random verse.
Take a couple of translations and compare them which each other.
Make notes where they differ.
Try to find out why they differ, you can do this by searching for similar words/concepts/structures in other places in The Quran.
With the gathered information you can build your own dictionary/grammar/styles/hypotheses etc etc etc.
This is an un going process, always try to improve your understandings, never think that you have found the final understanding.

This is of course only for technical understanding of The Quran, but it will for sure help you also to understand better the inner meaning of the verses yes

anyway this is how I do it.

Salaam,
Bender

wasi

Salaamun alayka bro,

I used and still using this site 90% of times.
Go to a random verse.
Take a couple of translations and compare them which each other.
Make notes where they differ.
Try to find out why they differ, you can do this by searching for similar words/concepts/structures in other places in The Quran.
With the gathered information you can build your own dictionary/grammar/styles/hypotheses etc etc etc.
This is an un going process, always try to improve your understandings, never think that you have found the final understanding.

This is of course only for technical understanding of The Quran, but it will for sure help you also to understand better the inner meaning of the verses yes

anyway this is how I do it.

Salaam,
Bender

salaman bender

thank you thank you for your nice suggestion i think this will surely help although i can understand some arabic

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The_Chimp

salaman bender

thank you thank you for your nice suggestion i think this will surely help although i can understand some arabic

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What he recommends is utterly foolish . . . imagine if your doctor learned like that?

The best option is to find Arabic classes and join them

If not . . . there are many online distance-learning Arabic programs . . . where you are actively in contact with a teacher.

Then there are innumerable different books for self study with language forums for help.

mmkhan

Salaamun alayka bro,

I used and still using this site 90% of times.
Go to a random verse.
Take a couple of translations and compare them which each other.
Make notes where they differ.
Try to find out why they differ, you can do this by searching for similar words/concepts/structures in other places in The Quran.
With the gathered information you can build your own dictionary/grammar/styles/hypotheses etc etc etc.
This is an un going process, always try to improve your understandings, never think that you have found the final understanding.

This is of course only for technical understanding of The Quran, but it will for sure help you also to understand better the inner meaning of the verses yes

anyway this is how I do it.

Salaam,
Bender

Salaam,

I agree with Bender 100% except the red part above
This is how you get closer and closer to your Lord, Allah and you will learn directly from alRahmaan .
Same as Ibrahim as he never follows any Rasool or Nabi, or Book or Mulla, etc. Hence, no worries.
No one ever can teach you like my Lord, alRahmaan, inshaAllah D

May Allah's peace and blessings be upon you pr
mmKhan

wasi

Salaam,

I agree with Bender 100% except the red part above
This is how you get closer and closer to your Lord, Allah and you will learn directly from alRahmaan .
Same as Ibrahim as he never follows any Rasool or Nabi, or Book or Mulla, etc. Hence, no worries.
No one ever can teach you like my Lord, alRahmaan, inshaAllah D

May Allah's peace and blessings be upon you pr
mmKhan

yeah

yes i agree with you as allah alone has brought me to his path and allah alone should guide me and teach me

6723 Say, "It is He who has produced you and made for you hearing and vision and feelings; little are you grateful.

i should utilize hearing seeing and understanding which allah has granted me ...i should be more and more grateful

handshake

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The_Chimp

Salaam,

I agree with Bender 100% except the red part above
This is how you get closer and closer to your Lord, Allah and you will learn directly from alRahmaan .
Same as Ibrahim as he never follows any Rasool or Nabi, or Book or Mulla, etc. Hence, no worries.
No one ever can teach you like my Lord, alRahmaan, inshaAllah D

May Allah's peace and blessings be upon you pr
mmKhan

So why did god bother with the Quran? And how will you know who is whispering in your ears . . . I mean for example there is the Australian Jesus . . . . some god's been communicating with him too!

It was god who bound Quran to Arabic . . . and even emphasized it is an Arabic Quran.

So - opening the book . . . and staring and waiting . . . nothing will happen.

The_Chimp

yeah

yes i agree with you as allah alone has brought me to his path and allah alone should guide me and teach me

6723 Say, "It is He who has produced you and made for you hearing and vision and feelings; little are you grateful.

i should utilize hearing seeing and understanding which allah has granted me ...i should be more and more grateful

handshake

group group group

yes i agree with you as allah alone has brought me to his path and allah alone should guide me and teach me

And if this is the case . . . then why did you even bother to ask here? You should just asked Allah?

Bender

salaman bender

thank you thank you for your nice suggestion i think this will surely help although i can understand some arabic

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Salaamun alayka bro,

In fact I strongly believe that the lesser you know when you start your study, the easier it is in the long term.
Best case scenario would be someone not even knowing a single letter of Arabic. Because he/she is then clean from indoctrinations and start his/her study with a clean record.

Another important thing I forgot to mention, is that you should never use the Quran to prove an understanding you have already in mind, in this way you only hinder yourself from "growing". For example a lot of people (including me in the beginning) already have in mind that sallaat is the same as praying and is ordered x times in a time period. So they already set a goal of what they want to get from The Quran.
This is not the correct way how to use The Quran, it will only hinder you in your "growth", I can guarantee that.

Another thing is that you should have patience, do not let shaytaan trick you. There will be a lot of frustrating moments and maybe even moments where you will doubt and question Allah & .
It is especially important in these moments not to loose your faith and have patience, inschaAllah sooner or later He will give you a ! .
Sometimes a small ! that will solve 1 or 2 questions.
Sometimes a ! that will open new doors for you.
Sometimes a ! that will bring you to a higher level of understanding.

Somehow I have a feeling that you already share similar understanding as me D

Salaam group
Bender

ps watch out for shaytaan and his allies, they might let you believe that Allah ALONE is not enough for you. The shayateen from the people are for sure the dumbest people and for sure the ones who are the most far away from Allah's mercy, but I am sure you will not fall for their misleading nonsense inshaAllah.

Bender

Salaam,

I agree with Bender 100% except the red part above
This is how you get closer and closer to your Lord, Allah and you will learn directly from alRahmaan .
Same as Ibrahim as he never follows any Rasool or Nabi, or Book or Mulla, etc. Hence, no worries.
No one ever can teach you like my Lord, alRahmaan, inshaAllah D

May Allah's peace and blessings be upon you pr
mmKhan

Salaamun alayka bro,

oops that was a typo, ofcourse I meant ONGOING.

May Allah's peace and blessings be upon you pr
Bender

wasi

Salaamun alayka bro,

Another thing is that you should have patience, do not let shaytaan trick you. There will be a lot of frustrating moments and maybe even moments where you will doubt and question Allah

Somehow I have a feeling that you already share similar understanding as me D

Salaam group
Bender

ps watch out for shaytaan and his allies, they might let you believe that Allah ALONE is not enough for you. The shayateen from the people are for sure the dumbest people and for sure the ones who are the most far away from Allah's mercy, but I am sure you will not fall for their misleading nonsense inshaAllah.

yeah
since mmkhan has shown me that tanween issue of muhammedun rasool i have lot of frustration in understanding the aiyats but thank you for your opinion on this issue you ....and thanks for the awareness of shaitan ..i really appreciate your opinion as i start my journey of learning
) ) )

The_Chimp

Salaamun alayka bro,

In fact I strongly believe that the lesser you know when you start your study, the easier it is in the long term.
Best case scenario would be someone not even knowing a single letter of Arabic. Because he/she is then clean from indoctrinations and start his/her study with a clean record.

Another important thing I forgot to mention, is that you should never use the Quran to prove an understanding you have already in mind, in this way you only hinder yourself from "growing". For example a lot of people (including me in the beginning) already have in mind that sallaat is the same as praying and is ordered x times in a time period. So they already set a goal of what they want to get from The Quran.
This is not the correct way how to use The Quran, it will only hinder you in your "growth", I can guarantee that.

Another thing is that you should have patience, do not let shaytaan trick you. There will be a lot of frustrating moments and maybe even moments where you will doubt and question Allah & .
It is especially important in these moments not to loose your faith and have patience, inschaAllah sooner or later He will give you a ! .
Sometimes a small ! that will solve 1 or 2 questions.
Sometimes a ! that will open new doors for you.
Sometimes a ! that will bring you to a higher level of understanding.

Somehow I have a feeling that you already share similar understanding as me

Salaam group
Bender

ps watch out for shaytaan and his allies, they might let you believe that Allah ALONE is not enough for you. The shayateen from the people are for sure the dumbest people and for sure the ones who are the most far away from Allah's mercy, but I am sure you will not fall for their misleading nonsense inshaAllah.

You don't have the guts sun shines. . . . I have exposed the likes of you all over the site . . . and this is all you have got!

Obviously Allah Alone has not been enough for this person!

He has proved this by asking questions here . . .

Do people like you have an answer . . . nope!

Man_of_Faith

Peace the chimp,

And what are you trying to prove? Like someone true in his Faith is going to change? No matter how much your are whining and insulting we are not changing from God's creed of serving Him alone by honest Faith and by doing good deeds and (at least trying to) show good behavior. What are you suggesting that we change? Adhere to your ways?

Joe_Betik

Salaamun alayka bro,

In fact I strongly believe that the lesser you know when you start your study, the easier it is in the long term.
Best case scenario would be someone not even knowing a single letter of Arabic. Because he/she is then clean from indoctrinations and start his/her study with a clean record.

Another important thing I forgot to mention, is that you should never use the Quran to prove an understanding you have already in mind, in this way you only hinder yourself from "growing". For example a lot of people (including me in the beginning) already have in mind that sallaat is the same as praying and is ordered x times in a time period. So they already set a goal of what they want to get from The Quran.
This is not the correct way how to use The Quran, it will only hinder you in your "growth", I can guarantee that.

Another thing is that you should have patience, do not let shaytaan trick you. There will be a lot of frustrating moments and maybe even moments where you will doubt and question Allah & .
It is especially important in these moments not to loose your faith and have patience, inschaAllah sooner or later He will give you a ! .
Sometimes a small ! that will solve 1 or 2 questions.
Sometimes a ! that will open new doors for you.
Sometimes a ! that will bring you to a higher level of understanding.

Somehow I have a feeling that you already share similar understanding as me D

Salaam group
Bender

ps watch out for shaytaan and his allies, they might let you believe that Allah ALONE is not enough for you. The shayateen from the people are for sure the dumbest people and for sure the ones who are the most far away from Allah's mercy, but I am sure you will not fall for their misleading nonsense inshaAllah.

Peace Wasi & all,

I agree with Bender here.

But I'd like to add a few notes. If I may,

The Qur-an is from God, so to me, the best party to explain the Qur-an is none other that God. So I'd like to suggest that you learn with God as the teacher. In this regard, communicate with God orally. And call on God before opening the book (printed Qur-an) or the file (digital Qur-an).
Bender has noted, " ... the lesser you know when you start your study, the easier it is in the long term." To me, the first requirement in learning with God as the teacher is to empty the mind from whatever baggage we might have. But this is difficult, as all these while we have accumulated a lot of ideas about what is and what isn't good, correct, required, okay, etc. I would suggest that we set aside whatever baggage we might carry in our minds. Otherwise, we would be prejudiced (thalim) and unfair to new or alternative ideas.
In my experience, meditation helps. So the practice is to strive to attain the '0-mind' state or the non-thinking state. At the same time, we learn to unlearn. But this is also a journey, meaning we achieve little by little. We don't achieve 0-mind overnight. When we attain 0-mind, the mind will of course be tranquil and the heart will be calm too. Whenever the mind starts to work (think about the future, or dwell over the past), don't participate the thinking, but observe it to sleep instead. Over time, we should be able to attain a tranquil mind and a calm heart with ease. So we turn to become objects of peace instead.
One of the many ways to appease the mind (this is the main objective of meditation) is adopting a good attitude. For example, we read somewhere that said 'salat' (same as Bender's example) is 'contact prayers'. But there also other suggestions, like 'salat' should be understood as commitment, relationship, etc. Just say that those people are right in their understandings, but their understandings are only right/correct for them, and at this moment those understandings may not necessarily be the right/correct understanding according to God, and of course for you too. The proper attitude is, "God hasn't taught me, so I don't know." This is the lesson from 232. Or else, "God, You are definitely knowledgeable, but I don't know about this or that. Please make me understand this or that."
Knowledge of Arabic is helpful, although not a cardinal rule. It means, we keep asking God for the correct understanding for us while comparing translations. But please note that God teaches us on the need to know basis, thus where and when God will make us undertand will entirely be up to God. As Bender has also mentioned, please be patient, and be appropriate too with God. Be respectful.
There are many websites where we could compare translations. A short list

• Tanzil as mentioned by Bender.

• Corpus Qur-an

• Qur-an

• IslamAwakened

Don't be in a hurry to make a conclusion. Sometimes we might need to form this attitude, "God, since I am not fully convinced that x means doing y, I will not do it just yet. Please God, teach me the truth." Or perhaps we need to say to God, "Unless and until I know the truth about Muhammd in the Shahada, never will I make the acknowledgment." Another thing to note is, with God as the teacher, we need to be firm in our stand. But when the knowledge is given, we must be firm with it. Ibraheem is an examplar in steadfast. He is a 'haneef', implying a person who follows one's conviction even if the conviction was different from the belief of the people around him/her. And over time, in our diligence and patience with God as the teacher, our level of understandings should develop further and further, and be refined and more refined. God is wisely knowledgeable indeed.
Don't be in a hurry to spread our new understanding because we cannot speak about it before its maturity. The proper way to do immediately when a new understanding has dawned upon us is to spend a few days in seclusion (away from people) to be in active dialogue with God. So, we meditate in seclusion. We should ask the appropriate questions, such as what is this, why this, when to do this, and how to do this, etc. We should take special note on the message in verse 2186. God is the teacher, remember?
If you were to have a conversation/dialogue with God, never ever listen to the voices without (external) and within (internal) you, except it is your very own voice (but its not you talking, by the way) from within (internal). Many people have asked me regarding this, but everytime I gave my explanations, they would always come back with more questions, because they have never ever experienced it. But once they experienced it, they were always the ones to explain over and over again to me about what and how it was in their experience. So, if ever you want to know, make the experiment. Thomas Edison is an excellent example in patience and diligence. And if ever your own voice is heard, it is not God's voice. No. (Even God doesn't speak to all of His prophets.) The voice is yours in lingo and style. If you were a cynic, the voice would most probably be cynical too. It could be humorous if you were one. Because it is really you, but the real you, rather. The one you consider to be yourself now is the artificial you, or your mind (you think, so you exist), or your accumulated life experiences. So in this case, God alone will determine whether it would be Him or the real you to talk to/teach you, if ever an oral communication from God is to occur. If an oral communication from God does not happen, there might be visual communication instead, or even an inspiration or intuition or simply knowing. But keep on asking God for an understanding that is complete or wholesome.
The time for you to deliberate on your understanding will come later, as God will determine when and where. Sometimes someone asked you about it. At other instances, someone talk to you about it and ask for your opinion regarding the matter. In verse 23 we read this phrase, "... wamimma razaqnahum yunfiqoon." Whatever knowledge or understanding given by God is considered 'rizq' (or 'provision&#039. And from the provision from God we give 'nafaqah' (or cost, expense, expenditure, disbursement, cost of living, maintenance, support). We do not provide 'nafaqah' for everybody, but for people who depend on us. In as far as knowledge is concerned, if you were a teacher, a student is your dependant. Likewise, when a person asks, the person automatically becomes a dependant. So we deliberate to those who have asked, because they depend on us. But even then, we are not allowed to compel another to follow our personal comprehensions or routines. We are only responsible for ourselves.
But as a side note, it seems that most people study the Qur-an by themselves, as if the were able to know by themselves. This is noted in 966 to 968. A mastery in Arabic is insufficient, because it is our Lord who teaches. This is noted in 965.
In Chapter 73 we learn the method of meditating on the Qur-an. In 734 we come across this phrase, "... warattili alqur-ana tarteelan." To me it means, "... and put the Qur-an in a proper perspective." So we relate to the Qur-an. For example, the opening verse of this chapter reads, "Ya ayyuha almuzzammil." To me, it means, "You the burdened one!" If learning the Qur-an is difficult, then you obviously qualify to be a burdened one, i.e. one burdened with difficulties in understanding the Qur-an. So I trust you should consider doing the meditation as taught in this chapter.
Studying the Qur-an is about studying to becoming. When we have gathered the correct understanding, we will definitely become the man God has designed us for. We would be true Muslims or a peacemakers. Objects of peace, remember? Otherwise, we would become the opposite, or troublemakers; sowing dissents all over the place. And we would end up 'almaghdoobi AAalayhim' or 'objects of anger' - angry people angered by God, His rasool, the mala-ikah and every human beings. NaAAoothu biAllah!
One effective (at least to friends offline and me too) method of living with having God in our lives is to make God as the first recall. It means we make God the first in our minds, right from the moment of waking up from sleep (musbiheen), at the very moment we want to embark upon or completed a task or act, at the very moment we are happy or sad, at the very moment we know we are successful or have failed, at the very moment we realized that we have money or not, etc. etc. And we end our day by making God as the last recall before we close our eyes to sleep. And thus, God is the first and the last in our lives. At those moments, we could choose to renew our pledge of allegience to God, ask for guidance, express our gratitude, or beg for God's forgiveness.
And you are perhaps concerned about satan (shaytan). Please refer to number 9 above. All those voices that you might hear from without (external) and within (internal), with the exception of your very own voice from within are termed as satan. Please ponder over Chapter 114, especially 1145 & 6. So it is safe to say that anything, and and for that matter any person, who whispers or arouses doubts in our chest (or heart) are considered satan. To me, 'jinn' is a term to illustrate the state of hidden from (thus it could be also shown to) our naked eyes. As an example, even a thought is 'jinn'. Since a thought is also an energy, over time, over thinking and determined focus of attention will cause the thought to materialize. As a side note, 'ghayb' is the state of presence in absence. As an example, God is 'ghayb'. Another example is our true selves. So in as far as satan is concerned, we must take note from 1698 and 72. As an additional note, I turn Chapter 114 into a du'a by leaving out the 'qul'. The same goes to Chapter Chapter 113.

This post is already too long, and I should now stop.

And as always, this is merely my personal comprehension, or understandings based on personal experiences, so this might not necessarily be the truth to anyone of you.

God be with you guys.

Cheers!
mohammed noh

wasi

Peace Wasi & all,

I agree with Bender here.

But I'd like to add a few notes. If I may,

The Qur-an is from God, so to me, the best party to explain the Qur-an is none other that God. So I'd like to suggest that you learn with God as the teacher. In this regard, communicate with God orally. And call on God before opening the book (printed Qur-an) or the file (digital Qur-an).
Bender has noted, " ... the lesser you know when you start your study, the easier it is in the long term." To me, the first requirement in learning with God as the teacher is to empty the mind from whatever baggage we might have. But this is difficult, as all these while we have accumulated a lot of ideas about what is and what isn't good, correct, required, okay, etc. I would suggest that we set aside whatever baggage we might carry in our minds. Otherwise, we would be prejudiced (thalim) and unfair to new or alternative ideas.
In my experience, meditation helps. So the practice is to strive to attain the '0-mind' state or the non-thinking state. At the same time, we learn to unlearn. But this is also a journey, meaning we achieve little by little. We don't achieve 0-mind overnight. When we attain 0-mind, the mind will of course be tranquil and the heart will be calm too. Whenever the mind starts to work (think about the future, or dwell over the past), don't participate the thinking, but observe it to sleep instead. Over time, we should be able to attain a tranquil mind and a calm heart with ease. So we turn to become objects of peace instead.
One of the many ways to appease the mind (this is the main objective of meditation) is adopting a good attitude. For example, we read somewhere that said 'salat' (same as Bender's example) is 'contact prayers'. But there also other suggestions, like 'salat' should be understood as commitment, relationship, etc. Just say that those people are right in their understandings, but their understandings are only right/correct for them, and at this moment those understandings may not necessarily be the right/correct understanding according to God, and of course for you too. The proper attitude is, "God hasn't taught me, so I don't know." This is the lesson from 232. Or else, "God, You are definitely knowledgeable, but I don't know about this or that. Please make me understand this or that."
Knowledge of Arabic is helpful, although not a cardinal rule. It means, we keep asking God for the correct understanding for us while comparing translations. But please note that God teaches us on the need to know basis, thus where and when God will make us undertand will entirely be up to God. As Bender has also mentioned, please be patient, and be appropriate too with God. Be respectful.
There are many websites where we could compare translations. A short list

• Tanzil as mentioned by Bender.

• Corpus Qur-an

• Qur-an

• IslamAwakened

Don't be in a hurry to make a conclusion. Sometimes we might need to form this attitude, "God, since I am not fully convinced that x means doing y, I will not do it just yet. Please God, teach me the truth." Or perhaps we need to say to God, "Unless and until I know the truth about Muhammd in the Shahada, never will I make the acknowledgment." Another thing to note is, with God as the teacher, we need to be firm in our stand. But when the knowledge is given, we must be firm with it. Ibraheem is an examplar in steadfast. He is a 'haneef', implying a person who follows one's conviction even if the conviction was different from the belief of the people around him/her. And over time, in our diligence and patience with God as the teacher, our level of understandings should develop further and further, and be refined and more refined. God is wisely knowledgeable indeed.
Don't be in a hurry to spread our new understanding because we cannot speak about it before its maturity. The proper way to do immediately when a new understanding has dawned upon us is to spend a few days in seclusion (away from people) to be in active dialogue with God. So, we meditate in seclusion. We should ask the appropriate questions, such as what is this, why this, when to do this, and how to do this, etc. We should take special note on the message in verse 2186. God is the teacher, remember?
If you were to have a conversation/dialogue with God, never ever listen to the voices without (external) and within (internal) you, except it is your very own voice (but its not you talking, by the way) from within (internal). Many people have asked me regarding this, but everytime I gave my explanations, they would always come back with more questions, because they have never ever experienced it. But once they experienced it, they were always the ones to explain over and over again to me about what and how it was in their experience. So, if ever you want to know, make the experiment. Thomas Edison is an excellent example in patience and diligence. And if ever your own voice is heard, it is not God's voice. No. (Even God doesn't speak to all of His prophets.) The voice is yours in lingo and style. If you were a cynic, the voice would most probably be cynical too. It could be humorous if you were one. Because it is really you, but the real you, rather. The one you consider to be yourself now is the artificial you, or your mind (you think, so you exist), or your accumulated life experiences. So in this case, God alone will determine whether it would be Him or the real you to talk to/teach you, if ever an oral communication from God is to occur. If an oral communication from God does not happen, there might be visual communication instead, or even an inspiration or intuition or simply knowing. But keep on asking God for an understanding that is complete or wholesome.
The time for you to deliberate on your understanding will come later, as God will determine when and where. Sometimes someone asked you about it. At other instances, someone talk to you about it and ask for your opinion regarding the matter. In verse 23 we read this phrase, "... wamimma razaqnahum yunfiqoon." Whatever knowledge or understanding given by God is considered 'rizq' (or 'provision&#039. And from the provision from God we give 'nafaqah' (or cost, expense, expenditure, disbursement, cost of living, maintenance, support). We do not provide 'nafaqah' for everybody, but for people who depend on us. In as far as knowledge is concerned, if you were a teacher, a student is your dependant. Likewise, when a person asks, the person automatically becomes a dependant. So we deliberate to those who have asked, because they depend on us. But even then, we are not allowed to compel another to follow our personal comprehensions or routines. We are only responsible for ourselves.
But as a side note, it seems that most people study the Qur-an by themselves, as if the were able to know by themselves. This is noted in 966 to 968. A mastery in Arabic is insufficient, because it is our Lord who teaches. This is noted in 965.
In Chapter 73 we learn the method of meditating on the Qur-an. In 734 we come across this phrase, "... warattili alqur-ana tarteelan." To me it means, "... and put the Qur-an in a proper perspective." So we relate to the Qur-an. For example, the opening verse of this chapter reads, "Ya ayyuha almuzzammil." To me, it means, "You the burdened one!" If learning the Qur-an is difficult, then you obviously qualify to be a burdened one, i.e. one burdened with difficulties in understanding the Qur-an. So I trust you should consider doing the meditation as taught in this chapter.
Studying the Qur-an is about studying to becoming. When we have gathered the correct understanding, we will definitely become the man God has designed us for. We would be true Muslims or a peacemakers. Objects of peace, remember? Otherwise, we would become the opposite, or troublemakers; sowing dissents all over the place. And we would end up 'almaghdoobi AAalayhim' or 'objects of anger' - angry people angered by God, His rasool, the mala-ikah and every human beings. NaAAoothu biAllah!
One effective (at least to friends offline and me too) method of living with having God in our lives is to make God as the first recall. It means we make God the first in our minds, right from the moment of waking up from sleep (musbiheen), at the very moment we want to embark upon or completed a task or act, at the very moment we are happy or sad, at the very moment we know we are successful or have failed, at the very moment we realized that we have money or not, etc. etc. And we end our day by making God as the last recall before we close our eyes to sleep. And thus, God is the first and the last in our lives. At those moments, we could choose to renew our pledge of allegience to God, ask for guidance, express our gratitude, or beg for God's forgiveness.
And you are perhaps concerned about satan (shaytan). Please refer to number 9 above. All those voices that you might hear from without (external) and within (internal), with the exception of your very own voice from within are termed as satan. Please ponder over Chapter 114, especially 1145 & 6. So it is safe to say that anything, and and for that matter any person, who whispers or arouses doubts in our chest (or heart) are considered satan. To me, 'jinn' is a term to illustrate the state of hidden from (thus it could be also shown to) our naked eyes. As an example, even a thought is 'jinn'. Since a thought is also an energy, over time, over thinking and determined focus of attention will cause the thought to materialize. As a side note, 'ghayb' is the state of presence in absence. As an example, God is 'ghayb'. Another example is our true selves. So in as far as satan is concerned, we must take note from 1698 and 72. As an additional note, I turn Chapter 114 into a du'a by leaving out the 'qul'. The same goes to Chapter Chapter 113.

This post is already too long, and I should now stop.

And as always, this is merely my personal comprehension, or understandings based on personal experiences, so this might not necessarily be the truth to anyone of you.

God be with you guys.

Cheers!
mohammed noh

well it was really interesting to read ...your views and your ideas are really helpfull especially that seclusion part...
i agree with your opinions
you have also given a great advice to start

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Joe_Betik

Peace Wasi,

Here we share comprehensions, or understandings based on personal experiences.

You have earlier posted this

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yes i agree with you as allah alone has brought me to his path and allah alone should guide me and teach me

6723 Say, "It is He who has produced you and made for you hearing and vision and feelings; little are you grateful.

i should utilize hearing seeing and understanding which allah has granted me ...i should be more and more grateful

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As such we definitely share a common ground, in that we wanted to learn the truth according to God from God Himself.

Different people may have different understandings, simply because God would never burden anybody beyond his/her capacity/capability. I believe it is the same with the knowledge that God reveals to us. And as such, we acquire knowledge progressively, in tandem with our individual capacity/capability.

One important matter that I have omitted in my earlier post is definitely feel. Perhaps i must say that we should be mindful of our first feel when we encounter something. For example, when you were reading my earlier post, or even this post too. That very first feel that you get while reading them should be of most important to you, as that feel is a sign (ayat) communicated by your true self. But of course, provided you read without prejudice, or without your mind actively suggesting some preconceived ideas. In other words, what is important is the feel that was never influenced by the mind. That is the feel we should always be mindful of.

I learn about this in verse 71 to 73. Most translators did not translate this and left it as 'Alif, Lam, Meem, Sad.' Perhaps they are in agreement with Mohsin Khan who made this note "These letters are one of the miracles of the Quran and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings." But my question is, would God give us a guide with some unknowable messages? I doubt so. But of course many things in the Qur-an would be unknowable when we never appoint God as the teacher. So please ask God about everything and anything you come across in the Qur-an. Insha Allah, you will be guided to comprehend them correctly as meant by God Himself.

This my personal comprehension for 71-3. By the way, I read 'Alif, Lam, Meem, Sad' as 'almassa'.

"It is absorbing/gripping. A message is revealed to you (s), so there is no objection in your chest against it, it is for you to warn with as a reminder to the believers.

"You (pl.) follow what was revealed to you from your Lord, and don?t follow other than Him, not even friends. How very rarely you bear in mind!"

So when you don't feel good, for example there is a convulsion/turmoil in the chest while reading my posts, then the contents of my posts are not correct according to God, thus not correct for you too. If such a case happens, please immediately disregard my posts and accept my apologies.

And as always, this is merely my personal comprehensions, or understandings based on my personal experiences, so this might not necessarily be the truth for you too.

God be with you.

Cheers!
mohammed noh

unknownuser

Most translators did not translate this and left it as 'Alif, Lam, Meem, Sad.' Perhaps they are in agreement with Mohsin Khan who made this note "These letters are one of the miracles of the Quran and none but Allah (Alone) knows their meanings." But my question is, would God give us a guide with some unknowable messages? I doubt so. But of course many things in the Qur-an would be unknowable when we never appoint God as the teacher. So please ask God about everything and anything you come across in the Qur-an. Insha Allah, you will be guided to comprehend them correctly as meant by God Himself.

This my personal comprehension for 71-3. By the way, I read 'Alif, Lam, Meem, Sad' as 'almassa'.

"It is absorbing/gripping. A message is revealed to you (s), so there is no objection in your chest against it, it is for you to warn with as a reminder to the believers.

Look!! How many times Quraniyoon people used some of speculative theories, but claiming to be taught by God.
Since when the word "alif" became roots of a word?

Alif is consonant and mostly used as glottal stop and command verb (fi'il Al Amr).Whatever you find some words with alif, actually it's not alif but hamzah which has alif shape (alif-hamzah)/

So if we pronounce , then alif lam meem, not aleem, allam etc.

Red Speculative slander.

Peace/Salaam

Bender

Peace Wasi & all,

But I'd like to add a few notes. If I may,

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And as always, this is merely my personal comprehension, or understandings based on personal experiences, so this might not necessarily be the truth to anyone of you.

God be with you guys.

Cheers!
mohammed noh

Salaam,

Thank you for the extra notes, I agree with almost everything you said handshake

For those who do not know a single letter of Arabic, you are absolutely not in a disadvantage.
Allah can teach you everything He wants, but unfortunately most people do not believe this.

Salaam,
Bender

ps one last thing me and also Joe forgot to mention, is that we must ALWAYS follow the best of what comes to us and handle according to it.