95 Theses: 9.5 Theses to Follow the Quran Alone!
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Incorrect - as it is YOU who said - we do not "worship" in Islam. How do you know this - without knowing the meaning of the word worship?
Repetition and blank denials . . for so many times.
In reverse - I have shown the meaning of worship and proven it using verses that clearly state we do worship Allah.
Yes . . according to your religion of Islam , but I'm not the follower of the Religion of Islam . . but the follower of the Deen of Islam.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.20
And whoever seeks a "dnan" (ا other than Islam
it will NEVER be accepted of him
and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers
(385)So what does "worship" mean to you . . .and why is it wrong to say we worship Allah? Explain that please.
Oh . . another repetition . . and you still cannot understand the burden of proof (refer here)
yet . . you are claiming about "burden of proof" . . funny !
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It is okay for the Religion of Islam . . but not to the Deen of Islam.
In the Deen of Islam . . we serve Allah, every seconds and for our entire life.
hablum minallah . . and hablum minannas .
Incorrect. I did not make any claims. You made the strange claim we do not worship Allah.
Really ?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346465#msg346465
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Yes it is strange because you are the followers of the Religion of Islam, the sectarian who oppose justice in humanity . . . based on By God (Bigot)
I have already "proven" with several verses and explanations and definitions that we do worship Allah.
You did ? Amazing . . . and you ignore every counter argument that I have made . . then, repeat it over and over again . . as usual.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346215#msg346215
Nope. All you have done is proven that you are repeatedly ABUSIVE and a TROLL
Ad Hominem - you attack me rather than my arguments.
Sorry . . I can't help it, you are hilarious rotfl
No one asked you about Salah and success. . . who asked you about that?
Why? No one has asked you to prove/disprove ANYTHING about Salah.
This is all about you saying that we do not "worship" Allah.
Who asked you anything about Salah and success?
I don't have to wait for you to ask . . since verse 2.3 mentioned about salah, and verse 2.5 mentioned about those who are successful . . you don't know ?
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them (2.3)
Those are upon (right) guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. (2.5)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346658#msg346658
I see . . you don't understand . . agree !
I am asking about you saying that "We do not worship Allah". And look what you are doing . . . quarreling - being rude and abusive - not answering the questions - and then asking different question. . .
Again . . I can't help it, you are hilarious rotfl
Conclusion
As I have shown we do worship Allah - and you were wrong to say that we do not. I have proven it with meaning of the word "worship" and its explicit usage from the Quran.
Yes . . . as usual, the closing . . a must for you !
See ? This what I called an argument by repetition - argumentum ad nauseam . .
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.
I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right. I am right.Therefore , I am right.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606172.msg346215#msg346215
You do not give reasons, but you merely insist that you are right until people become sick of it . . boringggg.
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p.s. still no answer . .
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346641#msg346641
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Repetition and blank denials . . for so many times.
Where? More of the same - you say that to everyone who challenges you.
Incorrect - as it is YOU who said - we do not "worship" in Islam. How do you know this - without knowing the meaning of the word worship?
THAT is a perfectly valid question. As you are not able to answer it . . . hence . . . the above silly accusation.
Yes . . according to your religion of Islam , but I'm not the follower of the Religion of Islam . . but the follower of the Deen of Islam.
Wrong. Not according to my Islam - but according to Dictionary and Quran.
Where did my Islam come in to it?
Show me?
Oh . . another repetition . . and still did not understand the burden of proof
Nope - the Burden of Proof is on the claimant - don't get devious and try to skip out of it. It is YOUR claim. You answer it.
Yes it is strange because you are the followers of the Religion of Islam, the sectarian who oppose justice in humanity . . .
More abuse!
You did ? Amazing . . . and you ignore every counter argument that I have made . . then, repeat it over and over again . . as usual.
Where? Where? You started talking about divorce/salah. . . and success/Salah
What has that got to do with anything?
More abuse!
Sorry . . I can't help it, you are hilarious rotfl
More abuse!
I don't need you to ask . . since verse 2.3 mentioned about salah, and verse 2.5 mentioned about those who are successful . . you don't know ?
Who believe in the unseen, establish prayer, and spend out of what We have provided for them (2.3)
Those are upon (right) guidance from their Lord, and it is those who are the successful. (2.5)
I see . . you don't see . understood !
More avoidance!
More abuse!
Again . . I can't help it, you are hilarious rotfl
More abuse
Yes . . . as usual, the closing . . a must for you !
More abuse.
You do not give reasons, but you merely insist that you are right until people become sick of it . . boringggg.
More avoidance and abuse.
See - Quran explicitly says we worship Allah. You made the nonsense up . . . and are no backing out by being and abusive troll.
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Let we see . . the "talk much but evidence little" person . .
Where? More of the same - you say that to everyone who challenges you. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Incorrect - as it is YOU who said - we do not "worship" in Islam. How do you know this - without knowing the meaning of the word worship? (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
THAT is a perfectly valid question. As you are not able to answer it . . . hence . . . the above silly accusation. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Wrong. Not according to my Islam - but according to Dictionary and Quran. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Where did my Islam come in to it? (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Show me? (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Nope - the Burden of Proof is on the claimant - don't get devious and try to skip out of it. It is YOUR claim. You answer it. (this guy is silly . . I wonder what happen if he become a prosecutor . . chaos! )
More abuse! (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
Where? Where? You started talking about divorce/salah. . . and success/Salah (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
What has that got to do with anything? (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More abuse! (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More abuse! (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More avoidance! (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More abuse! (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More abuse (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More abuse. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
More avoidance and abuse. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
See - Quran explicitly says we worship Allah. You made the nonsense up . . . and are no backing out by being and abusive troll. (no answer, no reason or counter argument)
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See - your claim. You are saying it . . . yet you don't even know what the word "Worship" even means. I have tried asking. No response.
End of discussion.
See? you quote part of my answer and remove the link to my quote . . hiding something ? rotfl
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The whole thing including "sacrifice, my living and my dying are for Allah" are not worshipping . .
We are talking about Islam . . not part of Islam.
(the conversation starts with the meaning of religion and deen of Islam)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346433#msg346433
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Let we see . . the "talk much but evidence little" person . .
Abusive and nothing more. I gave plenty of evidence. . . what did I get in return?
Nothing but abuse - all highlighted.
I quoted many verses where only one was necessary . . .
1091
Qul ya ayyuha alkafiroona
Say O ye that reject Faith!
1092
La aAAbudu ma taAAbudoona
I worship not that which ye worship,
1093
Wala antum AAabidoona ma aAAbudu
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
1094
Wala ana AAabidun ma AAabadtum
And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship,
1095
Wala antum AAabidoona ma aAAbudu
Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
1096
Lakum deenukum waliya deeni
To you be your Way, and to me mine.
So doesn't it prove . . . what I have been saying all along.
You are an abusive troll.
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See? Still no answer . . and ignoring every counter argument . . including the following
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346653#msg346653
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346658#msg346658
In fact the evidence can easily be replace with serve worship
The truth . . he merely insisting that he is right . . as usual
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See? you quote part of my answer and remove the link to my quote . . hiding something ? rotfl
and . .
We are talking about Islam . . not part of Islam.
(the conversation starts with the meaning of religion and deen of Islam)
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346433#msg346433
And there we have it . . . he could not answer - and now this nonsense.
You do not speak a word of Arabic - your English is poor that is why you make many mistakes - as pointed out in the past.
As to your mother tongue? You do not know either!
To cover up - you get abusive. As shown in the past. And shown in this thread.
And what you also do - is NOT answer the questions.
See you avoided it again.
What does "worship" mean and don't we worship Allah? Whereas the Quran clearly states that we do.
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See? Still no answer . . and ignoring every counter argument . . including the following
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346653#msg346653
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346658#msg346658
He merely insisting that he is right . . as usual
Still no answer of what?
You are desperately trying it again . . . we have been through all this.
It is YOU who is unable to answer - yet your ability not to tell the truth is amazing . . . as is to avoid answering.
I am only interested in that one statement you made. Answer it . . . or do not bother to make things up.
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Let we see again ! the "talk much but evidence little" person . . .
And there we have it . . . he could not answer - and now this nonsense. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
You do not speak a word of Arabic - your English is poor that is why you make many mistakes - as pointed out in the past. (irrelevant issues - fallacy - ad hominem to avoid from answering)
As to your mother tongue? You do not know either! (irrelevant issues - fallacy - ad hominem to avoid from answering)
To cover up - you get abusive. As shown in the past. And shown in this thread. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
And what you also do - is NOT answer the questions. (blank denials)
See you avoided it again. (lying)
What does "worship" mean and don't we worship Allah? Whereas the Quran clearly states that we do. (this silly guy still did not understand how to make an argument and burden of proof . . and he keep on being silly)
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Let we see again ! the "talk much but evidence little" person . . .
Still no answer of what? (playing dumb)
You are desperately trying it again . . . we have been through all this. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
It is YOU who is unable to answer - yet your ability not to tell the truth is amazing . . . as is to avoid answering. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
I am only interested in that one statement you made. Answer it . . . or do not bother to make things up. (merely repetition and blank denials . . no reason, no answer, no counter argument . . he can repeat this as much as it can, until people becoming sick of it. The no-brainer strategy)
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Same accusations every time. They do not impress anyone . . . last time you totally lost it. . . . abusing and swearing at everything.
In your heart - you know full well you were wrong to say
"We do not worship Allah"
And in answer - all you have done is been nasty and simply asked different questions and pretended that i have not answered.
This finishes here.
We do worship Allah. You? No one cares . . .
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5 pages . . . can we find any anwer on the counter argument ?
Same accusations every time. They do not impress anyone . . . last time you totally lost it. . . . abusing and swearing at everything. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
In your heart - you know full well you were wrong to say (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
"We do not worship Allah" (yes . . and you worship God just like hinduism or other religions . . and no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
And in answer - all you have done is been nasty and simply asked different questions and pretended that i have not answered. (no reason, no answer, no counter argument)
This finishes here. (oh . . it finishes rotfl)
We do worship Allah. You? No one cares . . . (and the closing, as usual . . he merely insist that he is right )
Proven beyond doubt . . the talk much but evidence little person ! laugh
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Proven beyond doubt . . the talk much but evidence little person ! laugh
Proven that you are nothing but abusive . . . "little person" - well really!
Is that how your arguments work too?
All the debate leads back to this one question . . . your proposition that we do not worship Allah.
Now all your usual tricks are to avoid answering . . . how do you define "Worship".
You have tried EVERYTHING - to get out of answering.
EVERYTHING.
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Still no answer . . .
Proven that you are nothing but abusive . . . "little person" - well really! (see . .ad hominem just to escape from answering the counter argument)
Is that how your arguments work too? (and again . . no reason, no answer, no counter arguments)
All the debate leads back to this one question . . . your proposition that we do not worship Allah. (yes . we serve Allah all our entire life and not like other religions, who only worship their God)
Now all your usual tricks are to avoid answering . . . how do you define "Worship". (this guy talks as if he knows everything . . but he still confuse with burden of proof - here rotfl)
You have tried EVERYTHING - to get out of answering. (really ? and you are running from answering my counter arguments like a zebra . . read again through all 6 pages and see how silly you are - ridiculous mistakes!)
EVERYTHING.
Shakir
Thee do we serve and Thee do we beseech for help. (1.5)Hamid S. Aziz
Thee alone we serve and Thee alone we ask for aid (1.5)(2011 Edition)
You alone we serve, and You alone we seek for help. (1.5)(2013 Edition)
You alone we serve, and You alone we seek for help. (1.5)Dr. Shabbir Ahmed
1.4 (Realizing these facts), we obey You alone and we ask You alone to help us (as we obey You).
no answer . .
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346467#msg346467
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346641#msg346641
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346658#msg346658
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606190.msg346653#msg346653
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Peace,
Worship Old English weorthscipe being worthy, respect, from weorth (WORTH1) + -scipe (-SHIP)
Is God not worthy of worship according to the word's literal meaning?
Worth - ship !
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there is a lot of quarrel here,
my understanding of the word"na3boud" is different from most point of views.
it has to be from the teachings of the Quran.
Allah created this world in six days and on the seventh "istawa 3ala el 3arsh" ,Allah with him Being the source of all creation an the source of light,Nour ,and not light in terms of electric light, has given the possibility of existence for all that exists. he is still the sustainer and with out him all will crumble. disappear.
He balances every thing "istawa 3ala el 3arsh" .
ALLah has created a universal system of balance. our beliefs are made up in our minds.
this world is real not in our minds.look out the window there might be a tree,if it is there then it is there you are not imagining it. Allah put it there.but we have this power to make up things in our mind and head.to imagine.
imagining Allah through stories be it biblical or hadeath will not help. it is using the same old rotten system created by man.
i believe i am on Allah's side so by default i think i am going to go to heaven for i believe in 1,2,3,4.
unfortunately it does not work this way.
it only works through gods system in the Quran which is"the balance of all " al deen.
Deen is simple and it is to give in to the will of allah and the balance he has created.
most people take matters in their hands and offset that balance. then comes judgment day where what ever has been offset ,it will be put back in proper order.
to have the right deen is to go with that balance,of course that balance cannot be kept except through the teachings , guide and teacher the Quran.
you cannot expect to see all that balance if you don't pray.then it is said that you must do good. to restore that balance.
refrain from evil,treat others justly and do good.
now our minds play tricks on us we want to get a closer step to him ,but we are already close enough.he is right here. no two meet except that Allah will be their third.for no existence with out Allah.
please take into consideration my poor poor poor poor arabic for i don't have a dictionary ,i only follow Quran.
now back to prayer how does one pray,a lot has been said so many topics here in the forum as well.
i will take that from the Quran and it shall be Good.
some people has called this balance Karma .it is universally observed no doubt about it.
only the reincarnation of the "Qareen" has made it difficult for most of us to really separate our real selfs from our "Qareen".not that he will not be there for he is part of us.but only in prayer which is observance through "sujud" =(closed eyes ) can one see all that.
you will be calmed through your prayers and all is clear you don't need to conclude.
sister windy a catholic nun has been praying for 50 years ,she has done it for hours every day.
in one of her books she states that the best prayer she has ever had is at dawn standing in the presence of the lord.saying nothing doing nothing closed eyes with him there.
that system that sister windy discovered in a life time was given to us through the Quran.common day prayer of moslems which is ritual and has not been given through Quran will not do .dont mistake sujud for what you know it to be ,verify it in the Quran,i simply see it means closed eyes.
so how to believe will be clear once one can follow in the foot steps of the Quran.and not the arabic dictionary.
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the Quran does do a very good job of telling us what they mean...
Yes . . and according to you, it means ?
I made my stand very clear I drink alcohol... I am a Muslim... I do not see anything in the Quran that asks me to stop drinking alcohol... I am advised to avoid being drunk when I pray... I am advised not to use alcohol to lose control and fall prey to the machinations of Satan...
and of course . .
when they are stuck with no answer . .
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606121.msg346878#msg346878
why you are disagreeing with your own statement ?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606121.msg346865#msg346865
They will insist on their belief . . despite without reason
They deceive Allah and those who believe
but they deceive not except themselves and perceive not
29and they will start making irrelevant comments (ad hominem)
That is normal.