Hello!
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Man of Faith,
I mostly agree with your understanding of Jesus, though I would say that he is 100% pure.
I should clarify that a personification of an attribute is not a person. It is a literary device. Jesus is not literally an attribute of God. He is identified with personifications of them, but this is no more literal than the personifications themselves. I'm not sure I expressed that clearly before.
This is the standard Socinian position.
Peace.
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SarahY
I am American. There are not a lot of Socinians here.
Socinianism is a theological position rather than a church or sect. It is sometimes called Unitarianism, because we believe in one God. However, this can be confusing because some Unitarians in history have denied that Mary conceived as a virgin. Socinians believe that Jesus was born of a virgin.
Socinianism is named for Faustus Socinus, an Italian unitarian. He was associated with a group called the Polish Brethren. Ironically, he was very influential among them, but did not become a member because of differing views on baptism. The Polish Brethren don't exist any more, but there are other groups with similar beliefs. They are all very small.
People with my beliefs are usually not seen as Christians by trinitarians. We are about as heretical as it is possible to be.
Peace.
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Peace socinus,
Thanks for your explanation. I did however not address Jesus in my previous post but the Believers who work for pureness and that he is a good way of measuring one's progress. Jesus righteousness I have no doubts about. He seems to be the only Prophet without sin because there was no greed or other evil tendencies in him. He was as devoted to God as a man can be. On the other hand, it is due to God and His spirit that Jesus did all that he did.
The common argument to act like a Christian is understandable.
And I doubt Jesus is going to come around again. But of course I would be happy if he did. Suppose he would cry by looking at the world now though.
God bless
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Peace socinus,
Thanks for your explanation. I did however not address Jesus in my previous post but the Believers who work for pureness and that he is a good way of measuring one's progress. Jesus righteousness I have no doubts about. He seems to be the only Prophet without sin because there was no greed or other evil tendencies in him. He was as devoted to God as a man can be. On the other hand, it is due to God and His spirit that Jesus did all that he did.
The common argument to act like a Christian is understandable.
And I doubt Jesus is going to come around again. But of course I would be happy if he did. Suppose he would cry by looking at the world now though.
God bless
Peace Man of Faith,
For the red highlighted part above
1661
1661 And if Allah were to seize the people for their wrongdoing, He would not have left upon the earth any creature, but He defers them for a specified term. And when their term has come, they will not remain behind an hour, nor will they precede.You can also take a look at 3545.
May Allah's blessings be with you pr
mmKhan -
Greetings and Peace, all group
What is with the brackets?
I can't share your understanding. Look at 2153, which also uses the word man.
2153 O you who man, seek help through patience and through the contact prayer, GOD is with the patient ones.
Is it not clear that the word means believe? Further, look at 2177 which uses the word mana (also used in 262).
2177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who mana in GOD and the Last Day, and the angels, and the Book, and the prophets, and who gives money out of love to the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and those who ask, and to free the slaves; and who upholds the contact prayer, and who contributes towards purification; and those who keep their pledges when they make a pledge, and those who are patient in the face of hardship and adversity and when in despair. These are the ones who have been truthful, and these are the righteous.
The word means believes. Even neglecting 262, 559, and 2217, it is clear that it is monotheism and not any particular label/religion/philosophy that counts.
4125 And who is better in the system than the one who submits himself to GOD, and he is a good doer, and he follows the creed of Abraham in monotheism? And GOD took Abraham as a friend.
10105 And set your face to the system of monotheism, and do not be of the polytheists.
3030 So establish yourself to the system of monotheism. It is the inclination that GOD has nurtured the people on. There is no changing in the creation of GOD. Such is the pure system, but most of the people do not know.
ALLAH knows best.
peace
~Abdul-Hadi
Salam brother
I only copied/pasted translation from quran.com and brackets were not inserted by me. I just found that this site has translated amanu as "believed" not "believe".
I also believe in monotheism rather than any label. handshake
As far as amanu is concerned it is past tense e.g. 226, 282, 2103
The present/future tense for amanu is yuminu e.g. 275, 2221, 625, 6110, 787
It is not about who is wrong or who is right. This is how I learned amanu-yuminu. peaceAnd Allah knows the best
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Peace,
Depends on how you interpret that verse mmkhan, how literally. It does not matter if Jesus was perfect or not, fact is that he was human. Also look at the part after that you did not highlight with color.
Jesus was a special case and The Book admits it. But in the verse mentioned God talks in general. I suppose most if not all Messengers after Purification were on the same page though.
Why would God kill and wipe out a guy like Jesus anyway? Is that the merciful God we know?
In fact it is almost literally correct that He would leave no one on the face of the Earth because most people do not believe and they do wrong.
God bless you
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SarahY,
Eh, not really? I agree with Socinus' teachings about Jesus, and I agree with his general approach to religion, which is based on rationality. But we disagree on plenty of things, too. And he didn't found a new religion; I don't pray prayers by Socinus, follow a moral code from Socinus, or anything like that. He's just a guy I respect and admire.
Peace.