1 Intro + 113 Surahs???
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Peace the Nabster The quran is divided in surahs and verses and in each verse there is a certain number of words. To understand it well, see the quran as composed of 113 boxes (surahs)on top of each other, each box has got a variable number of drawers (each representing a verse in the surah) and in each drawer a variable number of sheets of paper (each representing a word of the verse)
Now if we want to see where is the word al hadid, not in other 3 places where the word appears in the Q but this particular one found in Surah Al Hadid that by which ' God would distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers in the unseen', we see that it appears in 5626 (5725 in conventional numbering but I've explained why i've arrived at this new numbering) and that it is the thirteenth word of this 26th verse comprising of 28 words. Lets get back to our boxes drawers and sheets of paper. If you want to reach the 13th sheet of the 26th drawer of th 56th box, you will have to take out
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55 boxes to reach the 56th box
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25 drawers to reach the 26th drawer but remember its only part of a box that contain 30 drawers (30 verses)
so till now you have taken out (55 + 25/30) box
- and 12 sheets of paper to reach the 13th sheet in a drawer that contains 28 sheets that is 12/28 of a drawer and here a drawer is 1/30 of a box so you will have to remove 12/28*1/30
In total you will have to remove 55 + 25/30 + 12/28*1/30 = 55.847
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Peace the Nabster The quran is divided in surahs and verses and in each verse there is a certain number of words. To understand it well, see the quran as composed of 113 boxes (surahs)on top of each other, each box has got a variable number of drawers (each representing a verse in the surah) and in each drawer a variable number of sheets of paper (each representing a word of the verse)
Now if we want to see where is the word al hadid, not in other 3 places where the word appears in the Q but this particular one found in Surah Al Hadid that by which ' God would distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers in the unseen', we see that it appears in 5626 (5725 in conventional numbering but I've explained why i've arrived at this new numbering) and that it is the thirteenth word of this 26th verse comprising of 28 words. Lets get back to our boxes drawers and sheets of paper. If you want to reach the 13th sheet of the 26th drawer of th 56th box, you will have to take out
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55 boxes to reach the 56th box
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25 drawers to reach the 26th drawer but remember its only part of a box that contain 30 drawers (30 verses)
so till now you have taken out (55 + 25/30) box
- and 12 sheets of paper to reach the 13th sheet in a drawer that contains 28 sheets that is 12/28 of a drawer and here a drawer is 1/30 of a box so you will have to remove 12/28*1/30
In total you will have to remove 55 + 25/30 + 12/28*1/30 = 55.847
Salaam,
Can you do the same trick with the word most translators translate as gold, for example 391?
Salaam,
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Peace
thanks Bro
I got it now.
amazing! ma sha Allah!Peace the Nabster The quran is divided in surahs and verses and in each verse there is a certain number of words. To understand it well, see the quran as composed of 113 boxes (surahs)on top of each other, each box has got a variable number of drawers (each representing a verse in the surah) and in each drawer a variable number of sheets of paper (each representing a word of the verse)
Now if we want to see where is the word al hadid, not in other 3 places where the word appears in the Q but this particular one found in Surah Al Hadid that by which ' God would distinguish those who would support Him and His messengers in the unseen', we see that it appears in 5626 (5725 in conventional numbering but I've explained why i've arrived at this new numbering) and that it is the thirteenth word of this 26th verse comprising of 28 words. Lets get back to our boxes drawers and sheets of paper. If you want to reach the 13th sheet of the 26th drawer of th 56th box, you will have to take out
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55 boxes to reach the 56th box
-
25 drawers to reach the 26th drawer but remember its only part of a box that contain 30 drawers (30 verses)
so till now you have taken out (55 + 25/30) box
- and 12 sheets of paper to reach the 13th sheet in a drawer that contains 28 sheets that is 12/28 of a drawer and here a drawer is 1/30 of a box so you will have to remove 12/28*1/30
In total you will have to remove 55 + 25/30 + 12/28*1/30 = 55.847
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Brother bender, this does not work for gold copper or any other metal or element found in the Quran. You will notice that iron is also mentionned 4 times in the Quran and of course only work for one. I think you are confusing with the theory of the submitters who find 19 everywhere and want to set a mathematical code. There is no code but only signs that the Book is the Truth.
If you find it a 'trick' i'll advise you 'An introduction to mathematical philosophy' by Bertrand Russell if you are not aware of the principles behind Mathematics and see if mathematics rely on tricks. -
Brother bender, this does not work for gold copper or any other metal or element found in the Quran. You will notice that iron is also mentionned 4 times in the Quran and of course only work for one. I think you are confusing with the theory of the submitters who find 19 everywhere and want to set a mathematical code. There is no code but only signs that the Book is the Truth.
If you find it a 'trick' i'll advise you 'An introduction to mathematical philosophy' by Bertrand Russell if you are not aware of the principles behind Mathematics and see if mathematics rely on tricks.Salaam,
With backwards reasoning one can "prove" everything he wants. One does not need to read 'An introduction to mathematical philosophy' to do this and to understand this.
And sure it works most of times only in 1 occasion, because the method was fine tuned only for 1 "important" result. So the probability that the "trick" will work for other occasions is very small.For me it would be only a discovery if a method is repeatable for all occasions, then I would call it a discovery instead of a trick.
Salaam,
Bender -
15.87
And certainly We have given you seven of the oft-repeated (verses) AND the grand Quran.There is a separation between the Quran and the Al-Fatiah (the seven oft-repeated (verses)),
With this in mind that would mean Surah Baqarah, currently 2nd Surah should be the first
(As Al-Fatiah is an introduction, a disclaimer.)There is evidence to support this theory.
The first is what is mentioned in Baqarah itself when it says ?Bisuratin?
2.23 And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant, ?then produce a Surah the like thereof? and call upon your witnesses other than Allah , if you should be truthful
This would be the first Surah. (So Surah 1.23 instead of 2.23)
And this would be the 10th Surah (So Surah 10.13 instead of 11.13)
11.13
?Or, do they say He has forged it. Say Then bring ten forged Surahs like it and call upon whom you can besides Allah, if you are truthful.?Produce ?a Surah? in the first Surah and bring ?ten? Surahs in the 10th Surah
There is also something else that supports this claim.
Maybe its a coincidence but??.
The 10 forged ayats appears in 11.13,
the coincidence is 1+113 Surahs, is it linked?NOTE This separation could mean the Al-Fatiah is the proper Shahada for Islam.
Salaam
i am sad to remark that i have the same position as bender towards numerological arguments (11.13 and 1+113).
arguments about "10 th sourate" and "ten sourates" is interesting.However, there is two remarks about fatiha.
first it is clear for a reader that it is "prayers" who are speaking in that sourate and not Allah. Fatiha is a clear prayer and not a "preach".Second Bismillah seems to be included in the sourate. that's a particularity that worth a particular thinking.
Peace
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Guys for me Al-Faitah importance is it explains Bismillahin detail
please refer to my other post.http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606192.msg346408#msg346408
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To,My dear Bender,
In Saudi Arabia,there is a quran complex in the city of Madina,its site on internet,has many pictures of old qurans,go to this site via google and download pictures of many old quran that have no surah fatiha at the beginning of quran,instead they begin with surah baqarah as first surah.Surah fatiha was later added by some pios scholars because of its beautiful wording,I am avaiable for any help, just send me an email,thanks -
I actually thought it could also refer to "Ha" and "Miim"
15.87
And certainly, We have given you seven of the oft-repeated and the Quran Great.Surah 40, 41, 42, 43, 44, 45, 46
These 7 are the only Surahs to begin with Ha-Miim.
Maybe?????
Sidenote
Ha and Miim also appear at the end of Ta respectivelyHa
= Ta HaMiim
= Ta Sin Miim (twice)
Sidenote2
Ha and Miim also appear in combinationsHa
= Kaf Ha Ya Ain SadMiim
= Alif Lam Miim (6 times),
= Alif Lam Miim Ra
= Alif Lam Miim Sad
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They never appear individuallyFiltered all Ha-Miim Surahs with only words that contain Ha-miim
401 Ha Meem. hha-meem
407 bear yamilna
407 (the) praises biamdi
407 (by Your) Mercy ramatan
407 (of) the Hellfire. l-jami
408 the All-Wise. l-akmu
409 You bestowed Mercy on him. raim'tahu
4012 So the judgment fal-uk'mu
4018 intimate friend ammin
4048 has judged akama
4055 (the) praise biamdi
4065 All praise (be) l-amdu
4072 the boiling water; l-ammi
4075 be insolent. tamrana
4080 you are carried. tu'malna411 Ha Meem. hha-meem
412 the Most Gracious, l-ramni
412 the Most Merciful, l-rami
4112 with lamps bimaba
4123 and you have fa-abatum
4132 (the) Most Merciful." ramin
4134 intimate. ammun
4139 (is) surely the Giver of life lamu'y
4142 (the) All-Wise, akmin
4142 (the) Praiseworthy. amdin
4147 bears tamilu
4148 place of escape. main
4150 mercy ramatan
4154 encompassing. muun421 Ha Meem. hha-meem
423 the All-Wise. l-akmu
425 (the) praise biamdi
425 the Most Merciful. l-ramu
428 His Mercy. ramatihi
4210 then its ruling fauk'muhu
4216 their argument ujjatuhum
4224 And Allah eliminates wayamu
4228 His mercy. ramatahu
4228 the Praiseworthy. l-amdu
4235 place of refuge. main
4248 Mercy, ramatan
4251 Most Wise. akmun431 Ha Meem. hha-meem
434 full of wisdom. akmun
4317 (to) one of them, aaduhum
4317 for the Most Gracious lilrramni
4319 (of) the Most Gracious, l-ramni
4320 the Most Gracious, l-ramnu
4332 (the) Mercy ramata
4332 But (the) Mercy waramatu
4333 in the Most Gracious bil-ramni
4336 (of) the Most Gracious, l-ramni
4345 the Most Gracious l-ramni
4363 with wisdom bil-ik'mati
4381 the Most Gracious lilrramni
4384 (is) the All-Wise, l-akmu441 Ha Meem. hha-meem
444 wise, akmin
446 As Mercy ramatan
4442 Allah has mercy. raima
4442 the Most Merciful. l-ramu
4446 (of) scalding water. l-ammi
4447 (of) the Hellfire, l-jami
4448 (of) the scalding water. l-ammi
4456 (of) the Hellfire, l-jami451 Ha Meem. hha-meem
452 the All-Wise. l-akmi
4516 and the wisdom wal-uk'ma
4520 and mercy waramatun
4521 (in) their life mayhum
4521 they judge! yakumna
4525 their argument ujjatahum
4526 gives you life, yu'ykum
4530 His mercy. ramatihi
4536 (is) all the praise, l-amdu
4537 the All-Wise. l-akmu461 Ha Meem. hha-meem
462 the All-Wise l-akmi
468 the Most Merciful. l-ramu
4612 and a mercy. waramatan
4612 for the good-doers. lil'mu'sinna
4615 Carried him amalathu
4615 And (the) bearing of him waamluhu
4620 your life aytikumu
4627 surrounds you awlakum