Unity Within Diversity

muslims

I believe the formula for unity within diversity is to realize that Muslim is an Atheist or Secularist. Islam killed the hypocrites and religious people during Muhammad. There is nothing to preach, but to bring balance and unity within diversity. To bring the freedom of religion.

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

Therefore what is Islam is all about ?

Islam about jihad against the "hypocrites in all religions", ie. those who oppose "unity within diversity", "freedom of religion" and "speaking nonsense" for promoting division of the society, hatred and wars through sectarianism and religions. These hypocrites are the "Disbelievers", and it is not according to the nature their texts and belief, the nature their God, or the nature of their practices and rituals. God gave them "unconditional freedom of religion". . . and God does not wished for people to be in one religion or denomination. . . it will never happen, and just forget about it!

The difference between these two is that the Atheist did not give unconditional freedom of religions and criticizes religions 24/7. They don't believe in religion, but they have created their new religion (sectarianism). They don't believe in God, but they have created their new God (science).

Islam is a different type of Atheist or Secularist. They don't believe in God and they accept all Gods. They don't believe in religion, and they accept all religions. It is because Islam gave unconditional freedom to religion and focusing on the "just" and "unjust" elements in all religions (refer here), through the "confirming function" of the Quran.

http//1.bp.blogspot.com/-_ghCpHM1Yi4/Uqvd_yGyraI/AAAAAAAAARM/pwDqWu2kVwU/s1600/confirm.png

This is my premise for the doctrine of Islam that there is "No God" and "No Religion"

There is no God in the doctrine of Islam

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No God Only Allah
Therefore, Allah is not God, because the first premise is "No God"
If Allah is God, then it will nullify the first premise of "No God".

And it cannot be "except Allah" or "but Allah" because it will also nullify the first premise of "No God".
It is "duality", Shirk.

Therefore, it is "Only Allah", and it corroborates with Chapter 112, Allah is One, Absolute, none like Allah, and not beget/begotten.
and the Quran says

no one knows its interpretation (3.7) (ie. the nature of Allah, meaning it is not God)

this means, "no one knows its interpretation". .
and it does not means someone will knows its interpretation.

This primary message negated and nullified the concept of Godhood altogether.

(further reading Muhammad's Allah)

There is no religion in the doctrine of Islam

The Quran says Muslim must believe the Torah, Gospel and the Psalm. No one can be a Muslim if they don't believe in that Books or if they reject Jesus or Jesuism. Allah even command Muslim to say ?I believe in all that God has sent down from Scripture, and . . . God is our Lord and your Lord. We have our deeds and you have your deeds (rituals). There is no argument between us and you" (42.15).

Do you realize what this means?

It means there is no issue of "Religion", "Rituals" or "God" in the doctrine of Islam from the Quran.

Now compare with Judaism and Christianity.

If we look at the Jews and the Christians, we can say that they read the same Book but then it is two separate religions? Why ?

Can we conclude that the idea of "religion" is man made and not from Allah. If it is not from Allah, the why are we repeating the same mistake like what the Christians and Jews are doing ?

We share the same source, same Prophets, same history and story etc, but then it is three separate religions?

. . .

Please don't agree with me, but dispute me, so that we can discover new understanding. laugh

Man_of_Faith

Hmm... I just wonder where you get everything from and then I do not talk about unity.

There is no Master? Rab alemeen? Who is that?

Peace

muslims

Hmm... I just wonder where you get everything from and then I do not talk about unity.

There is no Master? Rab alemeen? Who is that?

There is but Allah says "no one know its interpretation", and "none is equivalent to Him" (112)

In other words. . Allah says don't bother what Allah is all about, it is futile. . and focused on the "Deen" of Islam.

That is your duty, and that's what you should be busy with during your lifetime.

Man_of_Faith

Peace,

I have heard about not trying to fathom God, but not that there is no God.

Yes of course. The command of God.

muslims

I have heard about not trying to fathom God, but not that there is no God.

Yes of course. The command of God.

Me too. . at first, but I start to realize that. . .
One cannot disbelieve in other Gods by creating new God
One cannot disbelieve in other religions by creating new same religion

It is merely repetition, and doesn't match with this verse

For you is your deen, and for me is my deen." (109.6)

The only way to make this verse relevant is to understand out of the box, ie.

I believe in ALL Gods, because I don't believe in God, Allah is Ahad and Samad
I believe in ALL Religions, because I don't believe in Religion.

Therefore, there is nothing to argue about God and Religion.
We Muslim only speaks about "unity within diversity" and "unconditional freedom of religion".
Those who are sectarians and against the "unity within diversity" and "unconditional freedom of religion", are the Disbelievers.

The Quran, is the Code of Ethic / Law for "unity within diversity" and "unconditional freedom of religion".
I believe this is the message of the Quran.

Man_of_Faith

I am not sure if I am willing to agree with you, but you are free to believe that if it makes you happy as long as you do not begin to oppress others.

Peace

muslims

It is okay, and I don't expect for people to agree with me because this is a brainwashed session. laugh

The only thing is that there must be justification why Muhammad and the companions killed the Disbelievers and conquered many areas
These are real facts, which people cannot simply ignore , and there must be justification for his actions . . .

http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_Qpy0mXg8Y

Which I believe , there is no god and no religion in the doctrine of Islam from the Quran.
Islam is much like political movement, to bring unity within diversity and unconditional freedom of religion

The Quran is the Code of Ethic, and Muhammad is not preaching the Quran, or even have time to compile the Quran.
They take their swords, ride their horses and bring justice. . . That's what they did.
They killed the hypocrites in all religions, those who opposes unity within diversity and unconditional freedom of religion.
These people are the Disbelievers in the Quran, the sectarians. . .
including those who schemed and kill Jesus in the name of their religion.

diamantinehoneybunch

muslims is playing dumb again.
Maybe you should talk to the admin uq about your position "Allah is not God" and see how dumb he thinks you are. He is an Arab and he uses God for Allah when speaking English.

God and gods are not the same. God with capital G is singular.

muslims

So you believe in many Gods, God of Islam, God of Hinduism, God of Christianity, God of . . .God of. . and Allah is the only and one of those God.

The concept of "duality". . .that is your state of mind.

And don't forget to explain this. . . laugh

http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605990.msg342084#msg342084

you are merely repeating the argument "I am right", without even answering the issue. . . argument from nagging.

Using fallacy doesn't prove that you are right, it proves nothing.

diamantinehoneybunch

It is a matter of language.

If you want to keep on being stubborn, just let it be.

And then you use this word "using fallacy doesn't prove you are right" to prove I am wrong.

Allah is an Arabic word for single God.

It is a fact. I am not making up a fact.

You also prove nothing. You just make your version of Arabic word. Funny.

muslims

I have already presented the facts and issue, it is your turn. . . before I give my rebuttal argument.

However, this cannot be considered as a counterargument. laugh

It is a fact. I am not making up a fact.

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Therefore, It is a fact. I am not making up a fact.

That is nagging, and I have no case to answer. Try bring me some premises. . . peace

diamantinehoneybunch

Because I have already presented my arguments, different arguments a countless times before. I did not resort to "X is true, therefore X is true". Instead, you are and were the one who used the same, same, same and your old arguments to prove I am wrong. You were repetitive. You can refer to my posts on this thingy back and look carefully how you presented your arguments.

You are the one who is nagging here because you are repetitive.

Okay sorry for bringing up this issue again.

muslims

Okay, so you forgot your argument, or maybe you don't bring an argument at all. . but merely repeating "it is a fact"

This is funny, a translation issue.

It must be crazy to pronounce "God" and "god" and sounds differently. laugh

Freemind Translation

Surely your god is God
(209

Facts during the revelation..

Gabriel, you say god to Muhammad
Go tell him again, it is God, not god!
But God I...
Gabriel! call me God, not god!

Sounds like the trinity issue.. is it one or three gods?

Peace rotfl

diamantinehoneybunch

There are many English words that have different meanings when the words are capitalized.

If Quran was sent in Icelandic language, do you think the word Allah would also be used?

muslims

Is that the answer to the following issue ? confused

Comparison within the same language, Arabic and from the Quran itself.. to determine whether Allah is God or Allah.

And your God (is) God *
(2234)

<- freemind translated as , ie. same as above

your God (is) Allah **
(209

Therefore, the issue is
Whether

ie equal to

whereas Allah say..

this Qur'an is a clear Arabic language
(16103)

In a clear Arabic language
(26195)

an Arabic Qur'an
without any deviance
(392

and

Could it be considered as a deviance or "not in a clear Arabic language" if is equal to ?

further

If Allah is "al Ilah".. please prove by showing where does it mention "al Ilah" in the Quran.

and

If is equal to

then what are God's names?

or

There are no names for God since God names are only meaningful words?

Note

And for every nation We have appointed religious ceremonies, that they may mention the Name of Allah over the beast of cattle that He has given them for food. And your Ilah (God) is One Ilah (God Allah), so you must submit to Him Alone (in Islam). And (O Muhammad SAW) give glad tidings to the Mukhbitin ,

** Your god is only Allah , except for whom there is no deity. He has encompassed all things in knowledge."

diamantinehoneybunch

Last year, I have already presented countless arguments.

You are the one that keeps repeating the same garbage
You said because in the Quran, it says "Allah Ahad, Allah Samad". I have already said because Allah is an Arabic word and Allah is translated into God in English. That's why Quran uses Allah since original Quran is in Arabic.
You said because God-god sounds the same. Because most languages are not unique like Arabic or Hebrew when it comes to differentiating the Creator from pagan gods.
In English, to refer to single deity, the g in god is capitalized.

You repeated 2 arguments but use different wordings to prove that you have already presented countless different arguments. Then you hypocritically call me "nagging" to bring me down.

muslims

Okay, I understand, you forgot or don't even make any argument, or don't even understand the issue , or make an interpretation based on other books . . you don't have to repeat that argument.

But whatever it is, your common sense doesn't make sense to me. end. laugh

muslims

Maybe someone can explain why the word ending with "tanween" ? http//s16.postimage.org/7g525pigh/dammahtain1.jpg

What does it mean?

And your God (is) God "One"?? God
(2234)

I've checked the quran site and the one with "tanween" translated as "One" God. . . without the "tanween" translated as god.

2.163, 5.73, 6.19, 6.46, 16.22, 16.51, 18.110, 21.29, 21.108, 22.34, 28.71, 28.72, 41.6, 43.84, 52.43, and 4.171

Same issue by mmkhan. . . http//s11.postimage.org/61fz5f1nz/Muhammed.png, ie. praised "One" (which I believe specifically referring to "Muhammad" alone, the praised One, not all Prophets)

the word , means praise and means praised one

Similarly . . . the word means God, and means "One" God

It is about the "attribute" or the "quality" of Allah as "One", not about "God"

. . .

and al-Ikhlas, ending with "tanween"

Say, "He is Allah , "One" (ie. "1" as "attribute", not as number "1&quot

Therefore, maybe the "tanween" in is stressing on the "attribute" or the "quality" of Allah as "One" . . not Allah as "God".

This is because there are already two capitals "G"s in (2234)

And your God is One God (2.163)

and there is no "tanween" if it is merely as "God", ie. and

What a difference a Tanween Makes

. . .

And your God is One God (2.163)

The God of mankind (114.3)

god (39.6)

god (38.65)

muslims

And your God (Capital God as subject)
is One God (Capital God as predicate, ie. quality of Allah as "One",
not as subject as God, it is repetition, ie. "two subject" and "no predicate&quot
(2.163)

diamantinehoneybunch

Like I said I have already made arguments last year. That means on other threads. I didn't forget. You are the one who has forgotten here because you didn't remember what I said. Too much belacan eh? That stupid food.

Your common sense also doesn't make any sense to me.

Tanween? It is an invention / innovation to the Quran. It is only useful to learn how to pronounce Arabic.
Earlier Quran copies do not have tashkeels.