Good without God
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Peace Someone,
I agree with most of what you said until I read this
The knowing of what is morally wrong or not is actually an innate ability. I have both studied psychology myself and also seen studies and documentaries about this. There was an extensive study of whether goodness is innate or not even down to the phase of infancy. The children actually knows if something is wrong, but the ego is a conflicting factor.
If a child sees something unfair the children know if it is wrong or right and the ability to see this is innate. The children come more equipped than you may think.
Moral traditions are not "built-in", but the fundamental feeling for when something is right or wrong and particularly unfair is already developed early in life. Even in infancy the study showed that such ability between right and wrong was there. And children can also show signs of bad conscience when they have been too egotistical, even if they are very inexperienced on how to gauge this and that is where the parent comes in. You are a completely blank soul upon birth so you lack complete knowledge of what you need to know and even motor skill on how to coordinate the body, even if intuition is already there.
Rather it is the environment that causes us to lose control over our sense between right and wrong and adults are in themselves guilty over how the children behave as they grow up. Children are made so that they imitate both behavior and speech of adults and even among their own peers, so a good environment for the children is very important and particularly good role models for with good role models there can be bad people in the surroundings but the children will still look up to the good ones (through their innate subconscious ability). But the danger is if there are no good role models and also if the children are abused in various ways then the children may become abnormal and showing abnormal behavior. Furthermore, the society's standards of moral and what is normalized in a community sadly affects a child too, but the goodly reared children will at least come out of adolescence retaining their full knowledge of right and wrong.
Agree
I've started asking question to my "Murabi" on
- Muhammad's sahada, did he really said "I testify that I am God's messenger"?
- Muhammad's mom and dad, will they be tortured in hell? since they didn't proclaimed the sahada and thus not a Muslim.
- How Allah can be just if He likes to torture people just because they didn't proclaimed the sahada?
- How the "grave torture"can happened to those who died without any grave?
And I was 4 years old..
Detection of "right and wrong" and/or "Truth and Bullsh&t" is an innate ability on SOME of the human.
With an exception of "Psychopathic" human.And Religion / Tradition / Social Environment condition usually suppresses the 'detection skills' through repetitive and dogmatic style of teaching. Which is
IT IS TRUE BECAUSE I SAID SO!!
Tips Don't do the above to any of your kids, whether it's now or in the future.
The next generation must be better than than the generation that they shall replace (read us)Teach the kids about justice and empathy (do to others as you would like others do to you), hug them, stimulate their hormones to produce Oxytocin in great abundance. Oxytocin has been proven to stimulate empathy and morality within mammals and the lack of it causes Psychopathy.
Don't teach them dogmatic religion bullsh*t yet stimulate their critical thinking ability, urge them to never be afraid for asking questions.
Salam / Peace
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Wow, brother Jafar, you've been introduced to murabbi when you're still 4 years old?
Looks like you come from a very religious family.
Related with murabbi, I have suspicion that PKS* is using murabbis (mentors) to brainwash its members so they become very loyal to the leaders of the party.
The influences seem 'implanted' slowly but surely through routine lectures (tarbiyah).
*it is one of political parties in Indonesia, and its popularity seems to decline
Salm.
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Wow, brother Jafar, you've been introduced to murabbi when you're still 4 years old?
Looks like you come from a very religious family.
Related with murabbi, I have suspicion that PKS* is using murabbis (mentors) to brainwash its members so they become very loyal to the leaders of the party.
The influences seem 'implanted' slowly but surely through routine lectures (tarbiyah).
*it is one of political parties in Indonesia, and its popularity seems to decline
Salm.
The 'habit' of indoctrinating little children with bullsh*t is a 'best practice' which the Muslims (and Christians) copied from Rabbinic Judaism.
That's why the religion of Islam is actually Judaism 2.0
It's also a strong evidence that the religion of Islam was invented or at least heavily influenced by Judaism Rabbis.Even the name is the same,
The indoctrinator is called Rabbi (Judaism) and Murabbi (Judaism 2.0)
The place is called Madrasa (both Judaism and Judaism 2.0) with original meaning of "The place to learn about Midrash".
Where Midrash = "Notes from Great Rabbis of the past, containing the official explanation of the Tanakh".
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MidrashSalam / Peace
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Well no matter one tries or not they cannot be without God, so...
Be safe
Emanuel -
A question just occurred to me The Koran does not mention anything about people who do good deeds, but have no faith. What about people who've never read the Koran but have done good all their life? What about people who don't really have any religion but keep doing good for humanity? Will they be saved?
Yes there is a verse which says that the deeds of people without faith will be cancelled, but we're not explicitly told that all their good deeds, say saving people's lives etc. would be useless? Shouldn't all good people be saved? I come across so many people from other faiths who are so good and simple and honest. They never harmed anyone in their lives.
What will happen to them?
It's quite clear that we don't need faith to be good people. I wish the Koran said something about it....
What if things are not as "fair" as you would like them to be or hope they are? What will you do then? Have you ever considered?