Purpose of life and Quran
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I hence mean the grand force that is a huge singularity with everything including us inside is its mass. You are part of it and to it you will return.
Clarified?
Salaam
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Peace,
I was getting the word of Jesus from one of the Gospel testimonies written by his followers.
Apart from that there is also narration with words that Jesus expressed to be found in the recitation. And in at least two cases the kind of of reference is nearly identical to the situation in the Gospel.
I promoted something actually said by Jesus so I am not breaking any commandment.
Would you think that Jesus said something else? "My words are my own and not from the one who sent me?"
And even if you claim Jesus did not say them then well I could as well say them myself. They are very true in saying what Jesus allegedly said.
Be whole
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I hence mean the grand force that is a huge singularity with everything including us inside is its mass. You are part of it and to it you will return.
Clarified?
Salaam
What is special about this brute force that one should start to obey it's command?
How this belief different than Pantheism?
Regards
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Peace,
I am not sure what you mean by "belief different than Pantheism"?
Beneath the surface of all the corruption that has happened to the book/recitation called Qur'an, the faith looks something like this.
The important factor is that we and our bodies are part of a system rather than a stand-alone creation. We are part of this "Singularity" with its mass, so you can say we are within the palm of God's "hand" as I think it is written in the book called Qur'an. Clearly allegorical, but I think you know what it means.
How to explain how it all works is fairly difficult, but our soul energy seems to have its own "freedom" of taking a stance in life and being independent and thus we can have ability to control and manipulate things. To place it within an illusion of a galactic world without a Creator is the optimal test. The reason we can do all this is because we were created this way out of the expanding Singularity. All our instincts, intuition and what we take for granted that we can do in this system is just due to a will by God. We can think that we are our own gods in the temporary illusion and not "synched" with The Singularity or we can accept the situation that we are from The Singularity and to it we will return. And becoming one with the Creator is not particularly hard for the humble as it just means to be good, the wholeness with God comes pretty automatically whether we are ignorant of it or not. All the statutory commandments are there as a help for those who understand the importance of following them because breaking them is a setback in the struggle to become good. Be kind, be good, is frequently repeated in the narration to the prophet called Muhammad.
People who hijacked the promise/faith (AL-DEEN) caused "righteousness" to mean the worship of God and by adhering to the "illusive religious laws" to be righteous, but the righteousness is strictly about avoiding sins (particularly injustice and oppression) while doing good. I think I said that virtually all of the commandments in the previous list that I gave you hurts someone when broken, even jealousy hurts yourself and it is a sin to harm yourself too because you are part of the Singularity and not only others. Hurting others is the worst harm because you spread your own pollution on others because you yourself are not whole, and before you lecture others you may wish to look at yourself. Remove the splinter in your own eye first before you help to remove the piece in your brother's eye or else you will not see clearly. This moral lesson is one of the best I have seen and is allegedly expressed by Jesus.
But I think there are not many people who would not agree that doing any of these things towards anyone is to be considered being good Murder, theft, adultery, false testimony, jealousy or unkindness. Focusing on these commandments and actually being the complete parallel of the commandment, i.e. advocate goodness/uprightness starting with yourself, is practically all that you ever need to know really. Then you serve your Master and also uphold commandment number one because you are one with God, or Man or Woman of God. The problem is that many think this is only what you owe those of your own kin, but it is also towards the stranger and even the sinner to help them. You do not fight fire with fire, you know (very good expression, I love it). The sinners are like fire and meeting them with fire is a inefficient method. Better get some water. And your good character is like water for them. Pride and arrogance is of no avail.
What is special about this brute force that one should start to obey it's command?
Now you fall into the trap of distorting what you heard. Brute is a negative word. I said "grand force", which indicates that it is a matter that has a huge influence on the series of events and it is a Singularity and which mass is everything we see including ourselves. The Singularity has no limit on size but is uncountable having no size but still seem like it has size and a huge mass is contained within its small size, if you know what I mean. This is why the word "singularity" is a good choice as allegorical language.
If you still cannot understand the allegory, then try to fathom a sphere with no size but yet an artificial size and that you are contained within it and everything else. And at some time in history it will suddenly contract bringing everything to its center, usually called "The Promised Day" in the lore.
And because The Singularity that you live in can be considered to be God then it is no wonder why God is omnipresent constantly aware and why you sometimes serve God unknowingly through deed while you were unaware. Everything willingly or unwillingly lives in symbiosis with its Creator and serves its will even if some people oppose and rebel and are anomalies to what God wanted and thus break the circle of symbiosis. It is all about not being an anomaly to God in truth.
Be whole
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Moreover, they declare for Him the Exalted some of His subjects as part of Him.
It is true that the Man is certainly and manifestly ungratefully denier of realities and facts.Matter cannot be created by matter. A Living of Will can create matter. Creator and matter are distinct entities, they can never be whole.
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Peace,
Matter cannot be created by matter. A Living of Will can create matter. Creator and matter are distinct entities, they can never be whole.
Exactly what I said then. The Singularity is that Creator, and we are its mass as matter.
EDIT If you mean that I said about God as matter of course you exploited a linguistic oversight. I should have used 'entity', for as much as you can treat God as an entity given the knowledge in what I wrote.
Be whole
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Matter cannot be created by matter. A Living of Will can create matter. Creator and matter are distinct entities, they can never be whole.
Exactly what I said then. The Singularity is that Creator, and we are its mass as matter.EDIT If you mean that I said about God as matter of course you exploited a linguistic oversight. I should have used 'entity', for as much as you can treat God as an entity given the knowledge in what I wrote.
The Ayah was quoted only to negate traditional sufi philosphy reflected by "Be whole". "Mass" in all its meanings has no relationship with the Creator except as His creation.
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Peace,
Exactly what I said then. The Singularity is that Creator, and we are its mass as matter.
EDIT If you mean that I said about God as matter of course you exploited a linguistic oversight. I should have used 'entity', for as much as you can treat God as an entity given the knowledge in what I wrote.
Be whole
Peace be upon you brother. The concept of that entity and what it might be is very vague in Quran. Even Rabb is a very vague concept if one start to peal it off layer by layer. However, what that entity is not is very clear Quran. The foremost is Allah meaning "One who is not at all a deity for worship".
Furthermore, what is expected of us is very clear. However, the current translation of Quranic text has distorted it all to suite the transformed understanding of Allah as "the one and only deity for worship". Therefore, it is of paramount importance that we do not accept current Quranic understanding as ture and real; rather continue to strive to understand it via its language.
I was just teasing you and did not mean to hurt your feelings.
Regards,
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Peace,
The Ayah was quoted only to negate traditional sufi philosphy reflected by "Be whole". "Mass" in all its meanings has no relationship with the Creator except as His creation.
Is that so?
And you are so knowledgeable about it?
Besides this is no "Sufi philosophy".
The mass is created like I said, but you are to become one with your Master who created you without being an impurity to it.
This is likely why you have not understood a thing of what your "elevated messenger" tried to teach you, except that you ought to slavishly perform ritualistic prayer frequently throughout the day.
"Be whole" is just an attempt to translate the purpose of the whole thing. Or what do you say that we are to become? Become broken and an impurity?
I said that you are not God, but part of God in ways because you are contained within the palm of God's "hand". Your whole personal mission is to be compatible with God like being according to the image God wanted to use, see "goodness". And then you are whole/healthy/complete.
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Peace,
The foremost is Allah meaning "One who is not at all a deity for worship".
So why do you speak like this to me as I have not advocated such?
Furthermore, what is expected of us is very clear. However, the current translation of Quranic text has distorted it all to suite the transformed understanding of Allah as "the one and only deity for worship".
Do you not see that I have understood what it teaches?
Therefore, it is of paramount importance that we do not accept current Quranic understanding as ture and real; rather continue to strive to understand it via its language.
This is what I do and do you not see that this is controversial compared to what people teach?
I spend hour after hour trying to decipher the original Arabic text and I do not take any of the available translations as necessarily correct.
I was just teasing you and did not mean to hurt your feelings.
Are you using my own rhetoric against me?
"the one and only deity for worship"
It is the only reckoning power in existence, but like you saw me talking it is not easy to explain the phenomenon that is called Allah. It is not a matter of worship because Allah has no need for your worship, but the thing is to not be an anomaly to it when it contracts/summons everything back to it. It can be considered that you should honor Allah and become a part of the unity that is Allah and become like what is spoken of as "us" in the recitation.
But to be one with Allah is not really what people usually think and what has turned lots of people away from the Singularity.
Be whole
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Therefore, as his bondsman my foremost responsibility and purpose of life and creation is to be Rabb of all disciplines of knowledge.
May be it will be interesting for your investigation. Russian word "", which pronounced like "rab", means "slave".