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    muslims
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    only You (112 Oneness/Absolute) we serve
    only You (112Oneness/Absolute) we seek for help
    1.5

    Therefore, people should serve ALL . . . Oneness hail

    and that is "AlhamduliAllahi rabbi ala3alameena"

    Only then. . ."Sadaqa Allahu 'l-Azeem" laugh

    . . .

    First Step
    Second Step
    Third Step
    Mission accomplished

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      serve
      verb (past and past participle served, present participle serv?ing, 3rd person present singular serves)

      1. vti work for somebody to work, or work for somebody
        She's decided to step down after serving on the committee for 18 years.

      2. vt provide customers with goods to attend to customers, especially in a store, and provide them with goods, supplies, or services
        Are you being served, madam?

      3. vi be in armed force to be a member of an armed force, especially in wartime
        My father served in the Korean War.

      4. vti work as servant to work, or work for somebody, as a domestic servant

      5. vti be used for something to be useful for a particular purpose
        A box with a piece of wood on top served as a table.
        It serves no purpose at all.

      6. vti assist somebody in particular way to assist or help somebody in a particular way, either well or badly
        His previous experience served him well.

      7. vti have particular effect to have a particular effect or result
        This letter will serve to remind you of our appointment.

      8. vti give somebody food or drink to bring food or drink to somebody, or give somebody a serving of a particular food
        Can I serve you with some potatoes?

      9. vt prepare and supply food to present food or drink in a particular way, e.g. with a particular accompaniment, or make it available at a particular time
        This chicken dish is delicious served with rice and a green salad.
        Ladies and gentlemen, dinner is served.

      10. vi assist during Mass or liturgy to assist a Roman Catholic, Anglican, or Eastern Orthodox priest in the celebration of Mass or a liturgy

      11. vti crime spend time in prison to spend a particular length of time in a house of corrections
        served ten years for armed robbery

      12. vti put ball or shuttlecock in play in racket games, to hit a ball or shuttlecock toward an opponent as a way of beginning play for a point

      13. vt law deliver legal document to somebody to deliver a legal document, especially a summons, writ, or warrant, to somebody
        He's been served with a writ.

      14. vt worship somebody or something to admire or follow somebody or something worshipfully (formal)
        They serve only the icon of greed.

      15. vt zoology copulate with female to copulate with a female to breed

      16. vt nautical bind rope to prevent fraying to bind a rope with something such as fine wire or cord to keep it from wearing or fraying

      noun (plural serves)

      1. hit that starts point in racket games, the shot used to begin every point
        It's almost impossible to return her serve.

      2. game in racket games, a game in which a particular player serves
        He's lost his serve three times in a row.

      -serv?a?ble, , adjective
      serve somebody right to be a deserved punishment for doing something wrong

      The Latin word servire "to serve," from which serve is derived, is also the source ofEnglishdeserve,dessert,sergeant, andserviette (but not of conserve, observe, preserve, and reserve, which come from the unrelated Latin servare "to watch, pay attention, keep&quot.
      Microsoft? Encarta? 2006. ? 1993-2005 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

      How do one serves the Sustainer Lord of the Worlds? Do someone really serves Him All Alone? If so, how; and what is the evidence?

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        Peace mmkhan.

        Can I ask you a question?

        When you said

        Me and my friends are trying to be on this path since a month or so by the grace of my Lord, Allah hail
        AlhamduliAllahi rabbi ala3alameena hail

        Do you mean " years"? Or have you changed your way/thoughts/... recently?

        Thanks in advance.

        GOD bless you.
        Peace.

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          By serving Allah alone, includes not crossing the limit of serving non Allahs, the worldly pleasure givers.
          we serve none other deities(sun, moon, stars, the king, the messengers, our work, wealth etc) than the only God for not crossing the limit.

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            By serving Allah alone, includes not crossing the limit of serving non Allahs, the worldly pleasure givers.
            we serve none other deities(sun, moon, stars, the king, the messengers, our work, wealth etc) than the only God for not crossing the limit.

            Abolutely vague, revealing nothing.

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              muslims
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              People have not even read the . . .

              First Step

              because they have God, and that's why they are speaking nonsense.

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                Guys and gals,

                Instead of trying to be smart, let's read and be wise

                There is a purpose for each blessed soul on this earth. Living the own personal and authentic as well as original purpose is the service for God. This is the path that a rare soul nowadays walks. Therefore, read all the verses of Koran and see again for yourself how important is for God that his people focus and serve Him, alone and only.

                For Your Reminder

                15 You alone we serve, and You alone we seek for help.

                221 O people, serve your Lord who has created you and those before
                you that you may be righteous.

                283 And We took the covenant of the Children of Israel ?You shall
                not serve except God, and do good to your parents, and regard the
                relatives, and the orphans, and the needy, and say kind things to
                the people, and hold the contact prayer, and contribute towards
                purification.? But then you turned away, except for a few of you;
                you were objecting.

                2133 Or were you present when death came to Jacob and he said to
                his sons ?Who shall you serve from after me?? They said ?Your
                god, and the god of your fathers Abraham, and Ishmael, and
                Isaac; One god and to Him we submit.?

                2172 O you who believe, eat from the good things We have provided
                for you, and be thankful to God; if it is Him you serve.

                351 ?God is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him, this is a straight path.?

                364 Say ?O people of the Book, let us come to a common understanding
                between us and between you; that we serve none except God,
                and that we do not set up anything with Him, and that none of us
                takes each other as patrons besides God.? If they turn away, then
                say ?Bear witness that we have submitted.?

                436 And serve God and do not set up anything with Him, and do good
                to the parents, and the relatives, and the orphans, and the needy,
                and the neighbor who is a relative, and the neighbor nearby, and
                the friend nearby, and the wayfarer, and those maintained by
                your oaths. God does not love the arrogant, the boastful.

                572 Rejecters indeed are those who have said ?God is the Messiah,
                son of Mary.? And the Messiah said ?O Children of Israel, serve
                God, my Lord and your Lord. Whoever sets up partners with
                God, then God will restrict the Paradise from him, and his destiny
                will be the Fire; and the wicked will have no supporters.?

                576 Say ?Do you serve other than God what cannot harm you or
                benefit you?? God is the Hearer, the Knower.

                5117 ?I only said to them what You commanded me to say, that you
                shall serve God my Lord and your Lord; and I was witness over
                them as long as I was with them, but when You terminated my
                life, You were watcher over them. You are witness over all things.?

                6102 Such is God, your Lord, there is no god except He; creator of all
                things, so serve Him. And He is Caretaker over all things.

                759 We had sent Noah to his people, so he said ?My people, serve
                God, you have no god besides Him. I fear for you the retribution
                of a great Day!?

                765 And to ?Aad We sent their brother Hud, he said ?My people, serve
                God, you have no god besides Him. Will you not be righteous??

                770 They said ?Have you come to us to serve God alone and abandon
                what our fathers had served? Bring us what you promise if you
                are of the truthful ones!?

                773 And to Thamud, We sent their brother Saleh, he said ?My people,
                serve God, you have no god besides Him; clarity has come to you
                from your Lord, this is the camel of God, in her you have a sign, so
                leave her to eat in God?s earth, and do not harm her, else the painful
                retribution will take you.?

                785 And to Midyan, their brother Shu?ayb, he said ?My people, serve
                God, you have no god besides Him. Clarity has come to you from
                your Lord, so give full weight and measure, and do not hold
                back from the people what belongs to them, and do not make
                corruption on the earth after it has been set right. That is better
                for you if you believe.?

                7206 Those who are at your Lord, they are never too proud to serve
                Him, and they glorify Him, and to Him they yield.

                931 They have taken their Priests and Monks to be patrons besides
                God, and the Messiah, son of Mary, while they were only
                commanded to serve One god, there is no god except He, be He
                glorified against what they set up.

                103 Your Lord is God who has created the heavens and the earth in six
                days, then He settled upon the Throne; He manages all affairs.
                There is no intercessor except after His permission. Such is God
                your Lord, so serve Him. Would you not remember?

                1018 And they serve besides God what does not harm them or benefit
                them, and they say ?These are our intercessors with God.? Say
                ?Are you informing God of what He does not know in the heavens
                or the earth?? Be He glorified and exalted above what they set up.

                1028 And on the Day We gather them all, then We will say to those who
                were polytheists ?Stop where you are, you and your partners,?
                then We will separate between them, and their partners will say
                ?It was not us that you served!?

                1029 ?God is enough as a witness between us and you, that we were
                unaware of you serving us.?

                1030 It is then that every soul will know what it has done, and they
                will be returned to God their true patron, and they have been
                abandoned by that which they had invented.

                10104 Say ?O people, if you are in doubt of my system, then I do not
                serve those whom you serve besides God. But I serve God; the
                One who will terminate your lives; and I have been commanded
                to be of the believers.?

                112 ?That you shall serve none other than God. I am to you from Him
                a warner and a bearer of good news.?

                1125 And We had sent Noah to his people ?I am to you a clear warner!?

                1126 ?That you serve none except God. I fear for you the retribution of
                a painful day.?

                1150 And to ?Aad was sent their brother Hud. He said ?My people,
                serve God, you have no god besides Him; you are simply conjecturing.?

                1161 And to Thamud was their brother Saleh. He said ?O my people,
                serve God, you have no god besides Him. He has established
                you from the earth, and has made you settle in it; so seek His
                forgiveness, then repent to Him. My Lord is Near, Responsive.?

                1184 And to Midyan was their brother Shu?ayb, he said ?My people,
                serve God, you have no god besides Him, and do not give short in
                the measure and the weight. I see you in prosperity, and I fear for
                you the retribution of a day that is surrounding.?

                11109 So do not be in doubt as to what these people serve. They serve
                nothing except what their fathers before them served. We will
                give them their recompense in full.

                11123 And to God is the unseen of the heavens and the earth, and to
                Him all matters return. So serve Him and put your trust in Him.
                Your Lord is not unaware of what you all do.

                1240 ?What you serve besides Him are nothing except names which
                you have created, both you and your fathers, God has not sent
                down any authority for such. The judgment is for none except
                God. He has ordered that none be served except He. That is the
                true system, but most of the people do not know.?

                1599 And serve your Lord until certainty comes to you.

                1635 And those who were polytheists said ?If God had wished, we
                would not have served a thing other than Him; neither us nor
                our fathers; nor would we have made unlawful anything other
                than from Him.? Those before them did exactly the same thing;
                so are the messengers required to do anything except deliver with
                clarity?

                1636 And We have sent a messenger to every nation ?You shall serve
                God and avoid evil.? Some of them were guided by God, and
                some of them deserved to be misguided. So travel the earth, and
                see how the punishment was of those who denied.

                1673 And they serve besides God that which does not and cannot
                possess anything of the provisions from the heaven or the earth.
                16114 So eat from what God has provided you, that which is good and
                lawful, and be thankful for the blessing of God, if it is indeed He
                whom you serve.

                1723 And your Lord decreed that you shall not serve except He, and
                do good to your parents. When one of them or both of them reach
                old age, do not say to them a word of disrespect nor shout at them,
                but say to them a kind saying.

                1816 ?So when you withdraw from them and what they serve besides
                God, seek refuge in the cave, and your Lord will spread His mercy
                upon you and prepare for your problem a solution.?

                18110 Say ?I am but a human being like you, being inspired that your
                god is One god. So whoever looks forward to meeting his Lord,
                then let him do good works, and not serve anyone besides his
                Lord.?

                1936 And God is my Lord and your Lord, so serve Him. This is a
                straight path.

                1941 And recall in the Book, Abraham; he was a man of truth, a prophet.

                1942 When he said to his father ?O father, why do you serve what does
                not hear or see, nor help you in anything??

                1943 ?My father, knowledge has come to me which did not come to
                you. So follow me that I will guide you to a level path.?

                1944 ?My father, do not serve the devil. For the devil was ever disobedient
                to the Almighty.?

                1949 So when he abandoned them and what they served besides God,
                We granted him Isaac and Jacob, and each of them We made a
                prophet.

                1965 ?The Lord of the heavens and the earth and what is between
                them. So serve Him and be patient in His service. Do you know
                anything that is like Him??

                2014 ?I am God, there is no god except Me, so serve Me and hold the
                contact prayer for My remembrance.?

                2119 And to Him is whoever is in the heavens and on the earth. And
                those who are near Him are not too proud to serve Him, nor do
                they complain.

                2125 And We did not send any messenger before you except that We
                inspired him that ?There is no god except Me, so serve Me.?

                2166 He said ?Do you serve besides God that which does not benefit
                you at all nor harm you??

                2167 ?I am fed-up of you and to what you serve besides God! Do you
                not comprehend??

                2184 So We answered him, and We removed what was afflicting him,
                and We brought him back his family and others with them as a
                mercy from Us and a reminder to those who serve.

                2192 This is your nation, one nation, and I am your Lord so serve Me.

                2198 Both you and what you serve besides God shall be fuel for Hell;
                you will enter it.

                21105 And We have written in the Psalms ?After the remembrance,
                that the earth will be inherited by My servants who do good.?

                21106 In this is a proclamation for a people who serve.

                2211 And from the people there is he who serves God nervously. So if
                good comes to him, he is content with it; and if an ordeal comes
                to him, he makes an about-face. He has lost this world and the
                Hereafter. Such is the clear loss.

                2271 And they serve besides God what He did not send any authority
                upon, and what they have no knowledge of. And the wicked will
                not have any helper.

                2277 O you who believe, kneel and prostrate and serve your Lord and
                do good that you may succeed.

                2323 And We have sent Noah to his people, so he said ?O my people,
                serve God, you have no other god besides Him. Will you not take
                heed??

                2332 So We sent a messenger to them from among them ?Serve God,
                you have no other god besides Him. Will you not take heed??

                2455 God promises those among you who believe and do good works,
                that He will make them successors on the earth, as He made
                successors of those before them, and He will enable for them their
                system which He has approved for them, and He will substitute
                security for them in place of fear ?That they serve Me, not setting
                up anything with Me.? And as for those who reject after that,
                these are the wicked.

                2517 And on the Day when We gather them together with what they
                served besides God; then He will say ?Did you misguide My
                servants here, or did they stray from the path??

                2555 And they serve besides God what does not benefit them nor harm
                them. And the rejecter is always set-against his Lord.

                2743 And she was prevented by that which she served besides God. She
                was of the people who were rejecters.

                2745 And We have sent to Thamud their brother Saleh ?You shall
                serve God.? But they became two disputing groups.

                2791 ?I have been ordered to serve the Lord of this land that He
                has made restricted, and to Him are all things, and I have been
                ordered to be of those who submit.?

                2916 And Abraham when he said to his people ?Serve God and be
                aware of Him, that is better for you if only you knew.?

                2917 ?You are worshipping nothing except idols besides Him, and you
                are creating fabrications. Those that you worship besides God do
                not possess for you any provision, so seek with God the provision
                and serve Him and be thankful to Him; to Him you will return.?

                2936 And to Midyan was their brother Shu?ayb. He said ?O my
                people, serve God and seek the Last Day, and do not roam the
                earth corrupting.?

                2956 O My servants who believed, My earth is spacious, so serve only
                Me.

                3440 And on the Day when We gather them all, then We will say to the
                angels ?Was it you that these people used to serve??

                3441 They will say ?Be You glorified. You are our Lord, not them.
                No, most of them were serving the Jinn; most were believers to
                them.?

                3622 ?And why should I not serve the One who initiated me, and to
                Him is your ultimate return??

                3660 ?Did I not pledge to you, O Children of Adam, that you should
                not serve the devil for he is your most ardent enemy??

                3661 ?And that you should serve Me? That is a straight path.?

                392 We have sent down to you the Book with the truth, so serve God
                while devoting the system to Him.

                393 Absolutely, to God is the true system. And those who set up allies
                besides Him ?We only serve them so that they may bring us closer
                to God.? God will judge between them in what they dispute. For
                God does not guide him who is a liar, a rejecter.

                3911 Say ?I have been commanded to serve God, devoting the system
                to Him.?

                3914 Say ?God is the One I serve, devoting my system to Him.?

                3915 ?Therefore, serve whatever you wish besides Him.? Say ?The
                losers are those who lose their souls, and their families, on the
                Day of Resurrection. Indeed, such is the real loss.?

                3964 Say ?Do you order me to serve other than God, O you ignorant
                ones??

                3966 Therefore, you shall serve God, and be among the thankful.

                4060 And your Lord said ?Call on Me and I will respond to you.?
                Surely, those who are too arrogant to serve Me, they will enter
                Hell, humbled.

                4114 When the messengers came to them, publicly and privately ?You
                shall not serve except God.? They said ?Had our Lord willed, He
                would have sent angels. We are rejecting what you have been sent
                with.?

                4137 And from among His signs are the night and the day, and the sun
                and the moon. Do not prostrate to the sun, nor the moon; you
                shall prostrate to God who has created them, if it is truly Him you
                serve.

                4344 And this is indeed a reminder for you and your people; and you
                will all be questioned.

                4345 And ask those of Our messengers whom We sent before you
                ?Did We ever appoint gods besides the Almighty to be served??

                4364 ?God is my Lord and your Lord. So serve Him. This is a straight
                path.?

                4381 Say ?If the Almighty had a son, I would be the first to serve!?

                4621 And recall the brethren of `Aad, when he warned his people of
                the sandstorm; no different to the warners sent before him and
                after him ?You shall not serve except God. For I fear for you the
                retribution of a great day!?

                5156 I did not create the Jinn and mankind except to serve Me.

                5362 So, prostrate yourselves to God, and serve.

                604 There has been a good example set for you by Abraham and those
                with him, when they said to their people ?We are innocent from
                you and what you serve besides God. We have rejected you, and
                it appears that there shall be animosity and hatred between us
                and you until you believe in God alone.? Except for the saying
                of Abraham to his father ?I will ask forgiveness for you, but I do
                not possess any power to protect you from God.? ?Our Lord, we
                have put our trust in You, and we turn to You, and to You is the
                final destiny.?

                713 ?That you shall serve God and be aware of Him and obey me.?
                985 And they were not commanded except to serve God and be loyal
                to His system, monotheists, and hold the contact prayer and
                contribute towards purification. Such is the valuable system.

                1063 So let them serve the Lord of this Sanctuary.

                1090 In the name of God, the Almighty, the Merciful.

                1091 Say ?O rejecters,?

                1092 ?I do not serve what you serve,?

                1093 ?Nor do you serve what I serve,?

                1094 ?Nor will I serve what you serve,?

                1095 ?Nor will you serve what I serve,?

                1096 ?To you is your system, and to me is mine.?

                Praise be to God. The Lord of the worlds.

                Peace,
                R.

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                  Yeap. . so as Iblees.

                  And certainly We created you
                  then We fashioned you

                  then We said to the angels

                  Prostrate to Adam
                  So they did prostrate

                  except Iblis
                  he was not of those who prostrated

                  He said What hindered you
                  so that you did not prostrate when I commanded you?

                  He said I am better than he
                  Thou hast created me of fire
                  while him Thou didst create of dust

                  (711-12)

                  Angels prostrate to Allah and Adam.
                  They associate Allah with Adam.
                  and they serve all, keeping everything running and in order. .

                  There is no evidence in the Quran
                  that Iblees prostrate to any other than Allah
                  Iblees does not associate Allah with Adam.

                  Iblees prostrate to "Allah Alone"
                  Iblees is "Allah Alone"
                  and he serves no one, he is "better" . . .

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                    Peace mmkhan.

                    Can I ask you a question?

                    When you said

                    Me and my friends are trying to be on this path since a month or so by the grace of my Lord, Allah hail
                    AlhamduliAllahi rabbi ala3alameena hail

                    Do you mean " years"? Or have you changed your way/thoughts/... recently?

                    Thanks in advance.

                    GOD bless you.
                    Peace.

                    Peace brother,

                    Nope its not years but months, alhamduliAllah.
                    I was thinking that I am on the correct path, but few months ago Allah showed me how to serve Him alone.
                    And by His grace and blessings I start practicing it, alhamduliAllah and wrote this article.

                    May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                    mmKhan

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                      Does 'serve' the right translation? if so how do we serve Allah?

                      I think its worship, more superior form of praising attributing everything to him.

                      Not Crossing the limit.
                      Say there is deity X, as it helps me I am praising its usefulness, writing stories, singing songs etc... until this everything is right and natural but soon if the limit crosses, reasons becomes rituals , false stories by giving false importance to the deity, steps in leading to idol worshiping. like many muslims worshiping His messenger, The Quran, etc..
                      So Allah alone do we Worship.

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                        Peace mmkhan.

                        Thank you.
                        Yes I remember commenting in that thread.

                        I agree brother ,if we mean what we say!

                        I mean some people say" Tawakkul" but then go on to do "shirk"...

                        GOD bless you.
                        Peace.

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                          mmkhan
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                          Does 'serve' the right translation? if so how do we serve Allah?

                          I think its worship, more superior form of praising attributing everything to him.

                          Not Crossing the limit.
                          Say there is deity X, as it helps me I am praising its usefulness, writing stories, singing songs etc... until this everything is right and natural but soon if the limit crosses, reasons becomes rituals , false stories by giving false importance to the deity, steps in leading to idol worshiping. like many muslims worshiping His messenger, The Quran, etc..
                          So Allah alone do we Worship.

                          Peace,

                          Yes to me "serve" is the exact translation not "worship".
                          Serve = to act as a servant.

                          May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                          mmKhan

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                            Eid Mubarak,

                            But how do you serve Allah and what is his requirement?

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                              R_H_-Ustahi
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                              Hello dude,

                              Your theleological position prevents you from seeing things as they are.

                              Now onto your (i)logical discourse

                              "Angels prostrate to Allah and Adam.
                              They associate Allah with Adam.
                              and they serve all, keeping everything running and in order. . "

                              • By whose decree angels do this?

                              • And, you are not an angel, or.....are you?!

                              "There is no evidence in the Quran
                              that Iblees prostrate to any other than Allah
                              Iblees does not associate Allah with Adam."

                              • God and iblees have a deal which begins in the days of genesis. Iblees' fate is sealed from then, that's why he does his job perfectly on this planet. So, the question is, by whose decree is his fate sealed forever?!

                              • And you are not a devil, or......are you?!

                              Peace,
                              R.

                              Yeap. . so as Iblees.

                              And certainly We created you
                              then We fashioned you

                              then We said to the angels

                              Prostrate to Adam
                              So they did prostrate

                              except Iblis
                              he was not of those who prostrated

                              He said What hindered you
                              so that you did not prostrate when I commanded you?

                              He said I am better than he
                              Thou hast created me of fire
                              while him Thou didst create of dust

                              (711-12)

                              Angels prostrate to Allah and Adam.
                              They associate Allah with Adam.
                              and they serve all, keeping everything running and in order. .

                              There is no evidence in the Quran
                              that Iblees prostrate to any other than Allah
                              Iblees does not associate Allah with Adam.

                              Iblees prostrate to "Allah Alone"
                              Iblees is "Allah Alone"
                              and he serves no one, he is "better" . . .

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                                Peace mmkhan.

                                Thank you.
                                Yes I remember commenting in that thread.

                                I agree brother ,if we mean what we say!

                                I mean some people say" Tawakkul" but then go on to do "shirk"...

                                GOD bless you.
                                Peace.

                                Peace good logic,

                                You are welcome brother handshake

                                May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
                                mmKhan

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                                  Your theleological position prevents you from seeing things as they are.

                                  I'm seeing things as they are, Oneness. . . maybe it is you who don't, duality and sectarianism, ByGod. . . the Sectarian God.

                                  As for those who divide up their deen (&#1618 and form into religion (&#1575
                                  you have nothing whatsoever to do with them
                                  6.159

                                  . . .

                                  • By whose decree angels do this?

                                  By whose decree people should do this ? (refer here, here and here)

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                                    muslims, your understanding of the word does not make any sense

                                    And, verily, of his (Noah) religion(?) was Abraham;
                                    3783

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                                      muslims, your understanding of the word does not make any sense

                                      It makes sense to me. . . there is nowhere in the Quran you can find the word (&#1576 in the Quran. . . which is the arabic word for religion
                                      It is because religion or sectarianism was never acknowledged by Allah
                                      mankind is one nation. . . and Islam came to lay the foundation for unity in diversity through freedom of religion

                                      For example. . .The Jews and Christians read the same Book, but why then it is two separate religions ?
                                      It is obvious the idea of religion is not from God. It is man-made, that's why Muhammad is not a Jew or Christian

                                      and Islam came to end religion through freedom of religion, not to create new one . .
                                      ie. (1) Judaism, (2) Christianity, (3) "Religion" of Islam. . . repeating the same mistake of the Jews and Christians. .

                                      Therefore, sectarianism (&#1575 is a religion (&#1576. . .

                                      Turn towards Him and be dutiful to Him
                                      Establish the divine system (of unity in diversity)

                                      And DO NOT become

                                      (1) an idolater who ascribe authorities along with Him,

                                      (2) Or of those (Jews and Christians etc.)
                                      who (recite the same Book but) have broken the unity
                                      and become religion (&#1575
                                      each group is happy with what it has
                                      30.30-32

                                      . . .

                                      And, verily, of his (Noah) religion(?) was Abraham;
                                      3783

                                      3781 He is of Our believing servants.
                                      3782 Then We drowned the others (his clan).
                                      3783 And from his clan ( &#1616 was Abraham.
                                      (Shabbir Ahmed And verily, to his group (of believers, later) belonged Abraham.)

                                      "from his clan ( &#1616" = (referring to the group that are safe/descendants from those who were) "drowned the others"

                                      IMO

                                      And verily, to his group (that was drowned because they commit oppression through sectarianism/religion, others/descendants from this clan later follow) belonged Abraham.

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                                        "For example. . .The Jews and Christians read the same Book, but why then it is two separate religions ?"

                                        Jews read Old testament + talmud, christians read the NT...

                                        "there is nowhere in the Quran you can find the word (&#1576 in the Quran. . . which is the arabic word for religion"

                                        No mention of the word but the word religion/politic is mentioned

                                        2120 And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion/. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper.

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                                          "For example. . .The Jews and Christians read the same Book, but why then it is two separate religions ?"

                                          Jews read Old testament + talmud, christians read the NT...

                                          The point is the idea of religion is not from Allah. . both Judaism and Christianity. It is man-made. No ?

                                          And the Jews say "The Nazarenes have no basis," and the Nazarenes say "The Jews have no basis," while they are BOTH reciting the (same) Book! 2114

                                          (2) Or of those (Jews and Christians etc.)
                                          who (recite the same Book but) have broken the unity
                                          and become religion (&#1575
                                          each group is happy with what it has
                                          30.30-32

                                          . . .

                                          "there is nowhere in the Quran you can find the word (&#1576 in the Quran. . . which is the arabic word for religion"

                                          No mention of the word but the word religion/politic is mentioned

                                          2120 And never will the Jews or the Christians approve of you until you follow their religion/. Say, "Indeed, the guidance of Allah is the guidance." If you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, you would have against Allah no protector or helper.

                                          Based on the same concept , "sectarianism". . . .

                                          sectarianism (&#1575 is a religion (&#1576. . .

                                          So what's the issue ?

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