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Prayed but forgot ablution

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    hicham9
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    You know, 'must' is a strong word.

    How about should?

    So will I be doomed to eternal Hell now?

    How would I know!?

    SLM

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      hafeez_kazi
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      Peace hicham

      O you who have believed, do not approach prayer while you are intoxicated until you know what you are saying or in a state of janabah, except those passing through , until you have washed . And if you are ill or on a journey or one of you comes from the place of relieving himself or you have contacted women and find no water, then seek clean earth and wipe over your faces and your hands . Indeed, Allah is ever Pardoning and Forgiving. (An-Nisaa 43)

      Ablution (as prescribed in the Scripture alone, ie. Quran 56) is a MUST before each of the three prayer sessions.

      If ablution is a MUST then why left out in the above verse?

      You can pray WITHOUT ABLUTION = MANIFEST EVIDENCE 443

      YOU CANNOT PRAY WITHOUT ABLUTION = NO EVIDENCE

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      O you who have believed, WHEN you RISE/WAKE UP (from sleep) for the prayer THEN wash your faces and your forearms to the elbows and wipe over your heads and wash your feet to the ankles (and when you RISE/WAKE UP from sleep for the prayer) and if you are in a state of impurity / pollution, THEN clean / wash the impurity / pollution.

      AWAKE Stop sleeping Wake from sleep

      Please focus on the word WHEN and THEN

      Had it been a command for SALAT then there would have been no WHEN and THEN.

      Two restrictions for offering SALAT and and there is no such restriction for women when they are menstruating and neither is the restriction to approach the prayer without wadhu.

      WADHU is neither a PART of the SALAT nor a DO of the SALAT.

      It is a DO after rising from the bed for SALAT.

      Thanks

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        hicham9
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        Peace be unto you Kazi,

        Your argument is predicated upon the presumption that gnba (&#1575 denotes "impurity" (ie. ganabah = a state of ceremonial impurity)! I, however, I'm of the opinion that GNB denotes "remoteness" (in 443)..

        SLM

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          Wakas
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          peace hk,

          Please focus on the word WHEN and THEN

          Had it been a command for SALAT then there would have been no WHEN and THEN.

          I don't follow this part, please clarify.

          All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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            hafeez_kazi
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            Peace Wakas

            "When" is referring to an action which is before Salat and THEN is referring to that action which is done. The question that arises is that why should we Stand before Salat? and after standing for salat THEN we should perform Wadhu?

            Literally it means that you should first stand for salat and THEN perform wadhu and if someone is already standing then what shall he do?

            The verse further continues "AND IF YOU ARE UNCLEAN/POLLUTED THEN PURIFY" Again this is very well connected to "STAND FOR PRAYER" Both these actions are after STANDING for salat.

            The purification is subject to standing for salat (OR WAKING FROM SLEEP for salat) and pollution and wadhu is subject to standing for salat (OR WAKING FROM SLEEP for salat)

            So be patient, , over what they say and exalt with praise of your Lord before the rising of the sun and before its setting, (Qaaf 39)

            O you who have believed, spend from that which We have provided for you before there comes a Day in which there is no exchange and no friendship and no intercession. And the disbelievers - they are the wrongdoers. (Al-Baqara 254)

            I believe that if it was a command for the Salat then it would been addressed in the above way. The most appropriate words would have been "perform wadhu before offering salat" OR "perform wadhu for salat"

            I believe that Allah never forgets and if Wadhu was mandatory then no one has the power to stop Him from including wadhu along with pollution and intoxication as a prohibition to approach salat in verse 443

            Thanks.

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              Man_of_Faith
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              It is so tragic to see the salat deception runs so deep...

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                hafeez_kazi
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                It is so tragic to see the salat deception runs so deep...

                Yes, indeed it is a deception but not for me, you and like minded people.

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                  hicham9
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                  It is so tragic to see the salat deception runs so deep...

                  Yes, indeed it is a deception but not for me, you and like minded people.

                  This unevidenced claim is just plain silly!

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                    good_logic
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                    Peace hicham9.

                    Tomorrow

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                      hicham9
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                      Looking forward to it )

                      SLM

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                        good_logic
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                        Peace hicham9

                        Tomorrow( I will finish my sentence) in front of GOD we are going to be asked about our claims! yes all of us.

                        So I would not worry too much.
                        GOD bless you.
                        Peace.

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                          Man_of_Faith
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                          No. It is not without evidence. I have discussed it before.

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                            hicham9
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                            A link would be nice!

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                              JavaLatte
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                              To my knowledge, ablution is not an obligatory preparation before prayer/supplication.

                              However, most likely, ablution (based on Qur'an 56) is standard preparation before performing SALAT.

                              Salm.

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                                Man_of_Faith
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                                Wait until I have deciphered 443 and 56 and we will see what kind of ablution before a ritual it talks about.

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                                  hicham9
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                                  To my knowledge, ablution is not an obligatory preparation before prayer/supplication.
                                  However, most likely, ablution (based on Qur'an 56) is standard preparation before performing SALAT.

                                  Salm.

                                  SLM my sister,

                                  Can you please tell me what a Conditional Sentence is ( &#1577?

                                  And while you are at it, you might want to highlight the difference between "SALAT" and 'prayer'?

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                                    JavaLatte
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                                    SLM my sister,

                                    Can you please tell me what a Conditional Sentence is ( &#1577?

                                    And while you are at it, you might want to share with us the difference between "SALAT" and 'prayer'?

                                    Thank you for the questions, brother.

                                    Looks like I need time if I want to post decent answers for both questions.

                                    I'm still learning about SALAT,

                                    and one of my current opinions is SALAT is not equal with prayer/supplication (the action of asking/begging for something to GOD with earnestly and humbly).

                                    Salm.

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                                      hafeez_kazi
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                                      uote from Man of Faith on September 26, 2014, 010706 AM
                                      It is so tragic to see the salat deception runs so deep...
                                      Quote from hafeez kazi on September 26, 2014, 022149 AM
                                      Yes, indeed it is a deception but not for me, you and like minded people.

                                      This unevidenced claim is just plain silly

                                      traditional salat reciting surah fateha plus any other small surah from the Quran, praising Allah in ruku and sujud three times and tahiyyat and salam at the end of salat.

                                      Does your above salat COMMANDS you? IF not then your RITUAL ROBOTIC SALAT is deceiving you.

                                      They said, "O Shu'ayb, does your SALAT COMMANDS you that we should leave what our fathers worship or not do with our wealth what we please? Indeed, you are the forbearing, the discerning!" (11 87)

                                      I will give more EVIDENCE OF DECEPTION if you prove that your ritual salat COMMANDS YOU.

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                                        Man_of_Faith
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                                        Salat is a form of light one is in and Shuayb is in it. Hence the question from his people. But people still stubbornly clings onto the deception it is a braindead ritual.

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                                          JavaLatte
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                                          traditional salat reciting surah fateha plus any other small surah from the Quran, praising Allah in ruku and sujud three times and tahiyyat and salam at the end of salat.

                                          Such method is not congruent with SALAT in the Qur'an.

                                          Salm.

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