Women are the problem in society

reel

What absolute stupidity. I take particular exception to what you wrote above. I come from what you have described as a "broken family" and, thankfully, do not recognise any of what you describe in myself or my family.

Ignorants like yourself give my mother's life's toil, and the exceptional manner and values which she had instilled in her children, a bad name.

You can call it stupidity, but this is what Plato said and this is how the elite class thinks.

Proof right from the republic of Plato
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All these women shall be wives in common to all the men, and not one of them shall live privately with any man; the children too should be held in common so that no parent shall know which is his own offspring, and no child shall know his parent

Both the community of property and the community of families, as I am saying, tend to make them more truly guardians; they will not tear the city in pieces by differing about 'mine' and 'not mine;' each man dragging any acquisition which he has made into a separate house of his own, where he has a separate wife and children and private pleasures and pains; but all will be affected as far as may be by the same pleasures and pains because they are all of one opinion about what is near and dear to them, and therefore they all tend towards a common end.

The greatest principle of all is that nobody, whether male or female, should be without a leader. Nor should the mind of anybody be habituated to letting him do anything at all on his own initiative; neither out of zeal, nor even playfully. But in war and in the midst of peace ? to his leader he shall direct his eye and follow him faithfully. And even in the smallest matter he should stand under leadership. For example, he should get up, or move, or wash, or take his meals? only if he has been told to do so. In a word, he should teach his soul, by long habit, never to dream of acting independently, and to become utterly incapable of it.

Source http//classics.mit.edu/Plato/republic.6.v.html

Destruction of family is brought to you by Rockefeller foundation

An additional purpose is the destruction of the nuclear family, opening the door for greater social intervention and manipulation. Although it is dangerous to point out in this era of Ellen-degenerated "sexual liberation," the forces that have sought to limit our real freedoms have historically been the first wave of assault for the destruction of traditional values regarding sex. This approach was exemplified by the Nazis, for whom, according to author Pearl Buck, "Love was old-fashioned, sex was modern. it was the Nazis who restored the 'right to love' in their propaganda."

Source Jim Keith whom they killed http//www.gnosticliberationfront.com/Satanism-Sex%20Crimes%20and%20Consequences.htm

Same thing was mentioned by director Aaron Russo http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBJgJ34QHNw

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Lets go to research and news now.
NIH Tested AIDS Drugs on Foster Children
Earlier this month, the Associated Press reported that researchers at the National Institutes of Health had tested AIDS drugs on hundreds of foster children in the late 1980s and '90s. In many instances, allegedly, the drugs were given without having independent monitors assigned to the children. Source http//www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4669470

From Daily Mail Broken home children are 'five times more likely to suffer mental troubles'

Children from broken families are nearly five times more likely to suffer damaging mental troubles than those whose parents stay together, Government research has found. It also showed that two parents are much better than one if children are to avoid slipping into emotional distress and anti-social behaviour. The findings say that children?s family backgrounds are as important - if not more so - than whether their home is poor, workless, has bad health, or has no one with any educational qualifications.The research adds to a wealth of data that shows children suffer badly from divorce or parental break-up, and that those brought up by a single parent are more likely to do badly at school, suffer poor health, and fall into crime, addiction and poverty as adults. The report, funded by the Department of Health and published by the Office for National Statistics, investigated emotional disorders - ranked as those which cause considerable distress and interference with the way in which children perform at school and during play. It also looked at conduct disorders which result in aggressive, violent or anti-social behaviour. Source http//www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1079510/Children-broken-homes-times-likely-suffer-mental-troubles-says-Government-study.html

The Impact of Family Formation Change on the Cognitive, Social, and Emotional Well-Being of the Next Generation
In 1991, Bruce Keith and I published the first meta-analysis dealing with the effects of divorce on children.5 Our analysis summarized the results of ninety-three studies published in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s and confirmed that children with divorced parents are worse off than those with continuously married parents on measures of academic success (school grades, scores on standardized achievement tests), conduct (behavior problems, aggression), psychological well-being (depression, distress symptoms), self-esteem (positive feelings about oneself, perceptions of self-efficacy), and peer relations (number of close friends, social support from peers), on average. Moreover, children in divorced families tend to have weaker emotional bonds with mothers and fathers than do their peers in two-parent families. These results supported the conclusion that the rise in divorce had lowered the average level of child well-being.

Other studies have shown that the differences in well-being between children with divorced and children with continuously married parents persist well into adulthood. For example, adults who experience parental divorce as a child have lower socioeconomic attainment, an increased risk of having a nonmarital birth, weaker bonds with parents, lower psychological well-being, poorer marital quality, and an elevated risk of seeing their own marriage end in divorce. Overall, the evidence is consistent that parental divorce during childhood is linked with a wide range of problems in adulthood.

Children born outside marriage have been studied less frequently than have children of divorce. Nevertheless, like children with divorced parents, children who grow up with a single parent because they were born out of wedlock are more likely than children living with continuously married parents to experience a variety of cognitive, emotional, and behavioral problems. Specifically, compared with children who grow up in stable, two-parent families, children born outside marriage reach adulthood with less education, earn less income, have lower occupational status, are more likely to be idle (that is, not employed and not in school), are more likely to have a nonmarital birth (among daughters), have more troubled marriages, experience higher rates of divorce, and report more symptoms of depression

Source http//futureofchildren.org/publications/journals/article/index.xml?journalid=37&articleid=107&sectionid=691

One Sign of Cognitive disorder

Those with low self esteem unwittingly make up stories in their minds about the behavior, motivation, and intent of others?what others are thinking, what others are feeling, what is really meant by the behavior of others, what is really meant by the words of others, without first checking out their perceptions. These stories are always negative-based so that the LSE sufferer feels that people are taking advantage of them, taking them for granted, or mistreating them when it isn?t actually so. In this way, they take things personally and believe their emotional reaction to be accurate. This process is a cognitive distortion (irrational or distorted thinking)
Source http//www.getesteem.com/lse-symptoms/cognitive.html

Its difficult to have good discussion when we try to judge everything by standing in the center of the universe. Sure I come from a nuclear family, but my parents do not represent the entire group of nuclear families. For something to be held true, observation must be carried on a number of subjects instead of one. Otherwise, it becomes pseudo generalization. I went to four high schools. Studied in a class where 98% of the students came broken families, dated one man who was born out of wedlock, wrote research papers on families and children and of course, read tons of kabbalah books to know what satanic stuff I was to avoid. All of them helped me design a few of the conclusions given in my first post above.

FindingRightPathToAllah

Can't deny that its the best of all tactics in getting dumb slaves ;D. Met several kids from broken families. Honestly speaking, you can pretty much do whatever you want with them like testing on them new HIV drugs, making them work for hours at some fast food restaurant, sell illegal drugs to them (CIA business), and so on. They don't get the meaning of what is right and wrong. They have no role model at home for which you can mold them into anything you want. When you don't need them you can fully exterminate them without getting arrested because there wont be parents to stand up against you voodoo

Salaam,

You are just stereotyping kids from broken families. May be it is true or not, but it can not be always the case. Kids from other families can be as well. It is sad for any kid to happen though. Anyway, none of what you are saying happened to me. God is always with me and will be. No need to get too excited.

Cloudylemonade

Thank you all for your input and responses. I do agree that both men and women do have to practice self restraint, I particularly like the reference to Yousef.

I think we are all responsible for our own actions.

reel

You are just stereotyping kids from broken families. May be it is true or not, but it can not be always the case. Kids from other families can be as well. It is sad for any kid to happen though. Anyway, none of what you are saying happened to me. God is always with me and will be. No need to get too excited.

The point is that no kid deserves unhappiness. People are too brainwashed by the media and feminism. They have turned into narcissists for which they care less about those who suffer. I don't see it much different from terrorism. Terrorists kill people with one blow and majority of the single parents give a child slow torturous death. US has plenty of children from broken homes. Yet the society does not see it as normal and frowns upon such kids. Its not gonna change. Unfortunately, this is unhealthy for kids. They are forced to fruitlessly chase after approval. They told me of indecisions because they can't decide what is right and wrong. They told me of the pain associated with dating people whose parents often frown upon their broken homes. They see father figure in school counselors who unfortunately are there to provide only temporary assistance. My 3rd high school didnt have bus and that's why my parents told me to come home with two of our neighbors' sons. They introduced me to their drug dealer friends. From conversation I came to know that they saw target consumers in kids who came from broken homes because it lessened their risk of getting caught. They were also sure that even if they did get caught a single mother or father was too busy to get them arrested. The least they did was to put a bit of restriction on their own kids. That's all. I have high school employees in my masters class. They discussed once how female children from broken homes dreamed to be in hip hop music videos as dancers and strippers. Some actually take the step. According to those employees, skimpy clothed women that come in those videos do come from broken homes. Btw, this is in California. Plenty of videos are shot here. Since majority of the dance troupes and extras are hired from here, its not difficult for Californian audiences to recognize those they saw in high school.

That is just fulfillment of Rockefeller's dream of family destruction. I wish more and more people stand up against it.

huruf

I am a bit sick of this blsnaket salndering of feminism. If there is feminism it is precisely because there is womanhood oppression. The fact that for women to have ffamily means to waive many other rights which are hers should be enough proof that there is a need for femenism.

The fact that there ares spurious "feminisms" that pose as feminism is precisely countermeasure of the powerful to blind the fact that a new just world, if it is to be real must tsake women as full humsan beings and not sas an "exception" in humandkind which basically is taken to be the men.

There really is a need to right a lot of unbalances in humand societies, all of them. I)gnoring the feminine leads nowhere, that is, leads exactly where we are, a place inw hich the thirst for power has brought destruction and usffering to many countries and threatens to bring down all of them may be into stone age.

Blamign feminism is the peak of hypocrisy and a blind to look into real source of trouble. Besides it is plain, plump slandering, just one more kind of women slandering. The usual, too preditable thing.

Salaam

Man_of_Faith

True, but feminism is not the completely solution to the world's problems, involving both men and women but takes a concentrated on one part of the problem among many.

Humanism and to teach our fellow humans to care about each other no matter gender is a stronger solution than the one-edged feminism. The main problem is not the females faring bad but rather the whole perception on life.

That not to say it is not worth to react on misogynist ideas and to struggle for the woman's equal status in society however, but the concept must be widened not to just focus on women when the essence of the problem is how people perceive the world.

I am not not saying femism as a struggle to make things more fair for women is wrong, but I feel that this subject is brought forth in society while humans are completely oblivious of the overall coldness is rampaging and it is strongest survive mentality and people hoard money for themselves and there is little empathy or compassion for other fellow citizens. Big corporations hunt for money and wish to squeeze out every dime in profit not caring about the health of others. People's obsession with money and chase for profit is what hurts our societies far more than the problem of feminism. But it seems we are blind to this problem when we involve ourselves in politics, in voting for example. It is democracy, but sometimes I shrug shoulders. This kind of viewing people like dollar bills rather than humans worry me far more than the feminism question, at least in Western societies where women have a decent standard.

Where women are mistreated the most is either in uneducated locales of Western countries or in undeveloped countries with the stereotype of indulging in sectarian religion. The women get paid less is the overall phenomenon of seeing people as dollar bills and women tend to elbow less around them in greed and be regarded as weaker so they get the worst but it is a unigender problem and not on merely one gendee. Greed is the biggest problem.

Women have often traditionally tended to be employed in public sectors where pay may be lower too and that depends on which kind of government is has and also if funds were split more equally in society the problem would not arise.

Be of one with God

unknownuser

The argument is that men were created so it is in their nature to look at/ lust after women and so it is up to women to change damaged societies. men will look at half naked women and it's the woman's fault as man was created that way so there is no sin on his part if he looks.

The argument is faulty. Both males and females are responsible equally. If someone lusts after or if someone make a display inviting lust - let's separate these then. Both are at fault. Neither the tempter nor the tempted is free from blame.

Let me give a clue - if the shaytaan/shayateen tempt and because "the human was created weak" and is hasty by nature and is tempted easily, it does not remove sin/blame from it if it gives in.

We don't control our hormones, we can't control our thoughts (separating the whispers) but we can control our actions, what we look at and what we do.

Other than that God is forgiver to whom God's Majesty Pleases.

Neither men nor women are society's problems, just the mischievous ones.

huruf

That man of faith is ignoring women. When it comes to real problems problems are not globas they are the problems of the people to have them and many men, those men tht use power, precisely those, have very well proved that there are problems which suffer the women and only the women and not the men, and that fact is the very reason why there men who are feminists.

THERE ARE MEN WHO ARE FEMINISTS, beause they realise that fact that men must change, not women. The error made in the struggle for the emancipation and the rights of women was not of the women but of the men, those men that profit from women discrimination Good men do not profit, at least voluntarily form women disccrimation and persecution. But not all men are good men, and bad men always get a pass for their abuses of power and the whole world set up is based on the abuse of power, on the satanisation of power and of a good chunk of malehood. If they can get away with it they would be idiots if they didn't do it right? that is the (in)moral set up we have which may not be upheld by all people or by the majority but which is noneceless enforced on all, sand most directly damingnly on women.

Moraly it is more damaging to males, but since that dammaga is not mmediately visible whereas for women it is visible immediately and matrerially, for men they think they are on to of it, because they suffer no apparent damage because moral dammage is not considered as such, and because of abusing power, particularly power over women has not apparent direct damaging consequences for them, far from that it seems to fabour them and their depredatory penchan

So yes, feminism is very necessary, only women, and at that, only women who care know what goes on and what it does. Men, even sincerely minded men do not realise it till they do not take the trouble of really taking the whole picture or have the back luck of having a woman they love very much, like a daughter, be the subject of the kind of humilliation and abuse or injustice which can fall on a women.

That gender idiocy doens't wash with me, there are two sexes, ans one is systematically ignored. As soon as something does not revolve around the real human being, the male, we are in trouble. And that you, Mof even if you are nos conscious of it, react that way.

The fact is that women live the same kind of experiences as men to let us say 98%, but that men doot lieve the same kind of experiences as women let was say up to may be 80%. Male experiences, unless they really get involved in supporting women to the core, as compared to women have a flat line of experience.

That globalism for all that you ppropose, Man ofF is what has been maintained through the ages, that is ignore owmen life experience and let the come to grips with it, as long as the world continues turning around what do we care?

We do not need more of that, like at Maryam's birth in 3.36

"the male is not like the female".

Therefore do not push down our throats more of the same stuff where the femine, tha femal experience is conveniently submerged in the "general humanity" which of course annot be exedted to be looking all the time at particularities, and obviously the female is a particularity.

Had the configuration been the other way around, femle as the basis, nobody would have suffered, because all experiences or almost of both sexes are part of the females too, like intellect, every kind of work , sport, are within reach of males and females, but all that is not within the reach of males, has been ignored as if grew automatically off the trees and need not taken into acount for the world to function. It is taken for granted, but ony the women pay for it with their own beings.

So that global thing, very good very well, but as far as women are concerned is the same fare that has been served over and over let us get the libaration of all and then we will look into it. Some of us, men and women feminists, know better than that.

Salaam
So, yes, feminism is an absolute need if we are going to get anywhere.

huruf

Neither men nor women are society's problems, just the mischievous ones.

Right, very right.

The problem is, as soon as somebody speaks about feminism, the reaction from SOME males is as if a direct attack was launched against them. Why?

Feminism is not fighting against men. We all have fathers, for isntance and many of us worship our fathers, most women I know are feminists, and most of them are happily married and many of them housewives.

So ecuse me but I say it once again, I am sick of this bullshit about blaming feminism for things that are the result of centuries of power abuse agaisnt many people but with the bottom of the scale and unnoticed for the most part the abuses against the females.

Righteous males far from having anything to fear form feminists, they will benefit, they will not have to take the burden of all the other males that abuse the females.

It is a simple as a change of the default settings.

Salaam

elliewlker234

Hello everyone I'm new to the forum and would like some opinions. So I live in the uk and as you may well know we have a drink culture and modesty is somewhat reducing. There is a high divorce rate and infidelity and pre marital sexual relations.

So in my understanding both men and women have the responsibility to behave modestly.

The debate I'm having is that I have been told that if women don't give it away then men won't take it, I agree with this however I don't think it gives men the excuse of oh she dressed like that so I looked which means it's not their fault, no sin on them basically. This argument is backed up by the fact that god created men to lust after women and have no control over their desires, this video is in support of this idea.

https//m.youtube.com/watch?v=3Po9UBrIxAc

Please share your views

I agree with you that men shouldn't be excused because of how a woman dresses but it is still a sin if they act on it. Both men and women do have the responsibility to do good but what people now seem to keep undermining is how women are being brainwashed or rather trained to dress lustfully. I'm curious though, why is the subject of this thread "women are the problem in society"?

reel

Both men and women do have the responsibility to do good but what people now seem to keep undermining is how women are being brainwashed or rather trained to dress lustfully.

Because Rockefeller, the criminal, triggered the modern day feminism to destroy nuclear families. I gave some links to true story in my second post. Check it.

Man_of_Faith

Please do not speak something which is not true about me, huruf. I am not ignoring women and I am holding women on equal level with men, only that like I said it is just one edge of the problems out there.

Treating girls/women like sex objects or like toys have much to do with your media providers and the image they project about women and it is the community at whole which has to deal with these kinds of problems. It is a stereotypical behavior that has been there for long and growing for the worse and the sexism is going further and further down the ages with girls putting on makeup and tempting clothes even as preteens. When this kind of mentality with females as toys there is no wonder why things are difficult to improve.

But like I said; "feminism" is just one side of the coin and the main issue is the fostering of the youth into having a better perception of life. This is not ignoring women, but taking the issue to the root instead of just cutting branches.

Be of one with God

reel

Treating girls/women like sex objects or like toys have much to do with your media providers and the image they project about women and it is the community at whole which has to deal with these kinds of problems. It is a stereotypical behavior that has been there for long and growing for the worse and the sexism is going further and further

Fully agree with you Man of Faith. Feminism started with good intention, but during the mid 1900's it got hijacked. The views they enforce are too generalized and have been devastating for both men and women. They haven't truly got into the main topics of women's empowerment. How they fooled the masses?

There is freedom in shedding clothes. I know Man of Faith already included it above. But let me add that at the end, it only hurts the women. The idea of skimpy clothes now is the norm. Its a part of cheering leading, formal events (gowns are usually sleeveless) and of course, summer. The feminists do not take responsibility for the torture the women must now silently due to harsh weather. When I was in mid west, I saw cheerleaders in skimpy clothes getting forced to do their routine at 7am in the morning. Temperature that time was somewhere below 15 degree.
In order to fill empowered women must sleep around just like men. Feminists do not take the responsibility for three ruined lives. The girl, the child and the guy. Okay, lets say the danger of getting pregnant can be avoided. But birth control pills don't prevent stds and unfortunately, women are more vulnerable to them than men. Feminists dont pay a dime for the treatment. They make no promise to help the mother bring up the kid.
Marriages are prison. But they are okay with the struggle of single moms. Bringing up a kid alone is not an easy thing. If the mother is a teen, most often she is forced to sacrifice college education to take up an odd job to bring up the kid. In some cases, she has to go through humiliation. Single motherhood also lessens her chance of getting a husband of her choice because when a child is involved, she dreams of having a man who would accept him. Whether he is psychologically compatible with her gets shelved.
Men have always been plotting to destroy the rights of women. This is called divide and rule. Not all men are evil. Not all women are victims. As I said once, evil doesn't see gender. Almost anyone can be evil or victim. Saying that all men are evil is equal to all Muslims are terrorist, all Chinese people eat dogs, all Mexicans are illegal immigrants, all blacks are criminals, all whites want to invade, all jews want to take over the world, etc. In brief, its a grave generalization bordering on cruel discrimination.
Men have created the rape culture. This is partially true. However, its rare for women to be randomly raped by male strangers (India being an exception). In US, the number one most raped women are sorority sisters. Fraternity members are often the rapists and they don't truly hold honorable opinions about women. In fact, they see them like sex objects. If I hang out with these guys completely drunk at parties I don't think I will come out safe. Saying that rapists must respect women is same as teaching a crocodile to not eat humans.

What feminists are beautifully avoiding

Women even in a country like US are discouraged to study in science field. I dont see feminists fighting to eliminate this problem.
No equal pay. Even in a country like US, in a same job position, a woman makes less than the man.
People still think women are too dumb to lead. Hence, we havent had a female president. Feminists are not much interested in this.
Women still are required to compromise. Not all women want to have sex. But feminists along with Kinsey have created a society where if a woman says no it they risk getting dropped by their boyfriends. Its proven by research.
Employers prefer male job candidates over female candidate. Caught it in a research I was doing for a class.
Women are still seen as burden in the army. They are not allowed to go in the battle field.
When a man fails in some kind of work he is called a woman by the society to signal that he is weak. Behaving like a female is still taken as funny. But when a woman behaves like a man she gains honors.

huruf

You, reel and MoF are like those that when they spesak about islam choose the islam the want to criticise and ignore any other kind of "islam" which doesn't fit your need to condemn, even if ther eis plenty of femenism that is quite legitimate and noble. You choose your own "feminism" and make THE feminism. You want to make your ignorance the rule of knowledge.

If you were consistent then you should stand for real feminism if you think that is has been highjacked. Just like you should discard anything to do with islam, Qur'an included if you pick like others pick as real islam the islam you can criticise as condemn.

You have petty ideas and you are going to stick to them because they mean a lot to you, but not because they have a found foundation.

Long live the struggle for justice and acknowledgement of womanhood.

Salaam

Man_of_Faith

May you be spiritually whole, Reel

The problem is much wider than that, like I said just one side of the coin, it is an attitudinal issue and is rooted deep even into politics and that is individualism and the greed for more and materialism where women turn into a material possession rather than a human life, much like everything else in these communities. One should have a woman for selfish motives I have understood while talking to other men and rarely for the sake of union itself and often the ego is involved as to why people stick together. Often is falls back to possession rather than anything else.

What I wanted to have said is that many people marry for the possessions, i.e. spouse, children and villa and as fancy car as possible. It may scream of social status. Well that is not the issue where women primarily enter the picture, but it may be when the man has the female as possession which is a stronger phenomenon when marriage is not involved and women "fight" in competition by way of dress and appearance, and men by fierceness and popularity and social status. It is how society works usually on a superficial level.

But the deeply rooted problem is not the females but the behavior of greed. The problem is that; if not the humans think then they are no better than animals with instincts. What you see is just instinctive and when women no longer also follow the "game" then it is utter chaos. People are just peeing their territory. This is why I said all the time that better role models, leaders and education is needed to turn around the negative trend. Good spiritual ideas would help. In ways it was detrimental to walk away from some of the old idealism from Christianity for example, particularly the so called "Christian values". When people no longer believe in the Prophets and God, or at least believe in a higher power that makes you need to be good, then it is difficult to maintain a reasonable order. If people behave in ignorance then it will only be worse, and I see signs that times are going for the worse by day. In fact I see signs of WW3 to be on a pessimist side. The fault is man and his greed (both men and women) and no low/humble/spirit but only WANT. I want this or that is a problem around the globe and also why women fall into the shadows since men are usually physically stronger, reckless and overally less conscientious and often more thoughtless than women in terms of expressing greed for possessions.

Our society claimed to stand for Christian values and then they ought to show it. But no; if God is just portrayed as a grumpy bearded old skyman and Jesus his weak son who gets crucified on a cross despite being a son of a god, it will not return people to faith in 2014. The sects caused doom upon their own people for something they were to protect and they do not follow the covenant between Abraham and God by not keeping the knowledge of what God is and stands for and not even remembering Elah stands for "be that it is, no personification and just a powerful force to be reckoned with. Science has killed the neanderthalistic portrayals of faith and God which has not kept up to the 21st century and thus the (originally good) clerics lost their "grip" on mankind and also showing greed and bad ways instead of what they were originally taught to teach people.

Fortunately I see a light in the darkness and I may know from God what many others do not know. I see a renewal.

Be of one with God

Man_of_Faith

May you become spiritually whole, huruf

Please stop spitting out lies and behave in a way that God does not like. At least read and find something substantial to say instead of saying "You you you" including accusations which are unfounded.

Long live justice and acknowledgement of every human, including women, and not just a part of it.

You do not think there are people behind the ideas of feminism? They grow out from some minds and wants and one the matter of justice to women well then they are fine when it includes all people

Be of one with God

huruf

May you become spiritually whole, huruf

Please stop spitting out lies and behave in a way that God does not like. At least read and find something substantial to say instead of saying "You you you" including accusations which are unfounded.

You do not seem to realise, tht women, as such an particularly have been ignored, are being ignored, men are not ignored as such, and the fact that you do not realise that and you keep accusing me and feminsits of not seeing the other people, that is the other half of human kind is not right. You refuse to acknowledge the specificity of women. I explained to you the difference between what you propose and I point out that is left out, and you still do not see it, and the fact that you do not see it confirms that inf act the specific struggle for the acknowledgement of womanhood (who said it is the only struggle, you do invent) is abolutely necessary for ALL.

Salaam

Long live justice and acknowledgement of every human, including women, and not just a part of it.

You do not think there are people behind the ideas of feminism? They grow out from some minds and wants and one the matter of justice to women well then they are fine when it includes all people

Be of one with God

Man_of_Faith

Now you yet sit with narrow vision, sister huruf. I am not saying that you do not see other people, I was just merely pointing out that it is just one side of the coin, but you now say I am claiming that "the other half of human kind is not right"?

You refuse to acknowledge the specificity of women.

Hrrm... no I am not refusing to acknowledge anything regarding women. It is another gender with different qualities and a good "balance-board" from the sometimes emotionally sterile climate among men, which is often getting the worst of men's materialism and greed. And women are often seen negatively and less capable due to their different nature. But it is still a uni-gender societal problem and a concern for everyone that is the real solution to the problem.

and the fact that you do not see it confirms that inf act the specific struggle for the acknowledgement of womanhood

Women are as a soul so little differentiated in worth that God mainly only uses a suffix to divide between the two. If women are mistreated or disregarded in any way then this is injustice and from an "Islamic" standpoint wrong. And this is not the only kind of injustice which occurs daily in our societies but one side of the coin, like I have said several times now.

Be of one with God

reel

You, reel and MoF are like those that when they spesak about islam choose the islam the want to criticise and ignore any other kind of "islam" which doesn't fit your need to condemn, even if ther eis plenty of femenism that is quite legitimate and noble. You choose your own "feminism" and make THE feminism. You want to make your ignorance the rule of knowledge.

I am not picking Islam. I feel thankful to Allah for showing me the path to Quran. I have got my views from it. If we want to be equal we must treat one another like humans instead of enemies. In Quran, Allah said on and on not to accuse anyone of any crime without full knowledge. This means I am allowed to point my finger only at the main male criminal and not at all men.

The problem is much wider than that, like I said just one side of the coin, it is an attitudinal issue and is rooted deep even into politics and that is individualism and the greed for more and materialism where women turn into a material possession rather than a human life, much like everything else in these communities. One should have a woman for selfish motives I have understood while talking to other men and rarely for the sake of union itself and often the ego is involved as to why people stick together. Often is falls back to possession rather than anything else.

I do agree with you huruf. But how do we change people's views in a society where lady gaga proudly sings "pop culture is in me"? She confidently says that she influences the styles of little girls and you know very well what a junk she is! The only good thing she once said was that girls must wait instead of rushing to bed. But now its the time of Miley Cyrus who these days sings about drugs and odd upfront sexual stuffs. She has crossed every limit that neither Madonna nor Lady Gaga ever attained. And yes, she has backing from the corporate and bloody Rockefeller.

This is why I said all the time that better role models, leaders and education is needed to turn around the negative trend.

If you go to promote your views you won't be allowed to enter the popular feminist organizations guarded by those two. Their feminists promote what I wrote above and if you make one little criticism about it you will be banned or even murdered. That's why, they are known as extremists. Their feminist professors are now in school to brainwash students. I took women studies classes. Trust me, they like to hear the worst stuff only about women of color. In one class, I was researching on HIV in women. For Texas, I found out that white women carried it more than all others. I included it in my paper with citation. The comment I got from the professor was that I made up the stat o. I was like wtf! why did she overlook my citation? Also its common sense that since TX had more white population, the white females made up the majority in HIV demographic. Later I realized that she wanted me to write that its black or Mexican women who had high rate of HIV. I don't think one with such a narrow mind is here to truly fight for women. Then there was another divorced feminist professor who used to hate writings where men were presented in neutral way or when they included true stories about abusive women. They simply wanted us to grow useless ego.

Our society claimed to stand for Christian values and then they ought to show it.

Not possible. Who wants honor killing?
"And the daughter of any priest, if she profane herself by playing the whore, she profaneth her father she shall be burnt with fire." (Leviticus 219) -\

Christian values will make us Amazonian tribe like people
"Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean." (Leviticus 122)

"But if she bear a maid child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying threescore and six days." (Leviticus 125)

West will turn into Taliban state. Perhaps, Talibans were actually upholding Bible ???
"Let the women learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression." (I Timothy 211-14)
"Let your women keep silence in the churches for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." (I Corinthians 1434-35)

If you were consistent then you should stand for real feminism if you think that is has been highjacked.

Of course yes! I won't let my children become victims of Rockefeller and Rothschild.

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Reel - I have searched about Rockefeller. I also came across his plans to destroy families and him behind feminism. There was this interview I was watching and this man, who is no more, said Rockefeller told him he was the one behind to sponsor feminists organizations. Of course, I don't exactly remember that man's name and I do not know if I have the link of that interview now. I have bad memory when it comes to exact details and names. That was during when I was searching 9/11 and NWO.

I don't know if I can have any exact opinion on Rockefeller though. I do not have exact proof. It would be wrong if I judge him when I didn't see him doing with my own eyes. Only God knows for sure. I will be just careful of him and his plans.

I was commenting on an article about ISIS. The media here is filled with news about them and anti-islam, and the comments are worse. They know nothing about Quran and say how it promotes violence with all the Hadiths which they also post. I posted a comment under a post saying it is not the Qur'an with the verses showing it is not the Qur'an's teachings, and yahoo deleted my comment 4-5 times. I guess they just do not want people to see the truth like what is happening to your research being manipulated. They just want masses to remain clueless thinking there is war on terror and the other side extremist ignorant ones to join ISIS.