Sex Question
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Peace All,
This thread is worn out. Too much personal info. shock Too many what would you do going on. Next we will be hearing your pillow talk. Let it rest we get the point.
Peace
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Impure is Forbidden
Salam all,
Is there anything in the Quran that indicates that oral sex, anal sex, or any other kind of kinky sex done with your SPOUSE is discouraged?006.145
Say I do not find in that which has been revealed to me anything forbidden for an eater to eat of except that it be what has died of itself, or blood poured forth, or flesh of swine-- For That Surely Is UNCLEAN-002.222
And they ask you about menstruation. Say It is an illness ; therefore keep aloof from the women during the menstrual discharge and do not go near them until they have become clean; then when they have cleansed themselves, go in to them as Allah has commanded you; surely Allah loves those who turn much , and He loves those who purify themselves.Go into them as Allah has commanded! So have intercourse as Allah has commanded. Allah commands PURITY. The rest of the courses are but your OWN desires and deviation from the truthfulness. You know what is pure and what is impure. Soap and water; detergent and sterilization canot bring on the intended purity. There are parts impure in our body and they are!
How has Allah commanded us to go into them? How is oral and anal sex IMPURE? Anal sex - I could see how it is impure..but oral? How are our genitals and mouths IMPURE? What is wrong with pursuing our own desires if it does not violate any commandment of God?
From this discussion, it seems that God has not prohibited us nor even discouraged sex besides the penis in vagina type..as long as we do it with our own spouses.
Peace!
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How has Allah commanded us to go into them? How is oral and anal sex IMPURE? Anal sex - I could see how it is impure..but oral?
It is good that you have understood today anus is impure.. It is only a matter of time before you conclude penis and vagina too are foul.
From this discussion, it seems that God has not prohibited us nor even discouraged sex besides the penis in vagina type..as long as we do it with our own spouses.
God has asked you to wash only our hands and face and arms upto elbow and feet up to ankles whenever you go to toilet. He never said you should wash or cleanse the organs that pass motion and urine, for they are clean by themselves
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Peace be upon you,
Some men have premature ejaculation and most women climax too long plus some other sexual problems that take away sexual pleasure
I think when you live a righteuos and healthy style of living, those problems go away. When women use all kinds of toys as masturbation, and men get bombarded with sex all day long on the radio and tv, these types of abnormalities will develop, even homosexuality. The answer is to "face" the restricted masjid at ALL TIMES D To get back to a Godly lifestyle.
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How has Allah commanded us to go into them? How is oral and anal sex IMPURE? Anal sex - I could see how it is impure..but oral?
It is good that you have understood today anus is impure.. It is only a matter of time before you conclude penis and vagina too are foul.
That is only my perception of an anus..But regardless of my perception, I do not see any indication in the Quran that an anus is IMPURE. And so with the penis and the vagina..God never told us that those organs are impure nor foul.
From this discussion, it seems that God has not prohibited us nor even discouraged sex besides the penis in vagina type..as long as we do it with our own spouses.
God has asked you to wash only our hands and face and arms upto elbow and feet up to ankles whenever you go to toilet. He never said you should wash or cleanse the organs that pass motion and urine, for they are clean by themselves
So what makes them foul for you that you seem to dislike oral sex?
Peace!
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Peace be upon you,
Some men have premature ejaculation and most women climax too long plus some other sexual problems that take away sexual pleasure
I think when you live a righteuos and healthy style of living, those problems go away. When women use all kinds of toys as masturbation, and men get bombarded with sex all day long on the radio and tv, these types of abnormalities will develop, even homosexuality. The answer is to "face" the restricted masjid at ALL TIMES To get back to a Godly lifestyle.
Peace idolfree,
God has clearly condemned man to man sex and prescribed punishment for it and other types of fahsha. God knows that our society is an imperfect one and he has set limits on what we should or should not do. I think the Quran was designed to guide man how to live in this imperfect society, therefore, laws are prescribed in it.
Masturbation, sex aids, felatio, cunnilingus, anal sex look ikky yucky to the conservative types but their repugnance have no Quranic basis unless they are done outside marriage or excessively. I see nothing illegal in them. The only thing clearly discouraged by the Quran is sex during menstruation. Besides menstruation , I cannot see how we turn our backs from the restricted masjid with any kind of sexual act with one's spouse.
How do we judge? By another book?
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How has Allah commanded us to go into them? How is oral and anal sex IMPURE? Anal sex - I could see how it is impure..but oral?
Tony,
There is a deep reflection needed from our part to get at what Allah means when He says "as Allah had commanded to go into them". The book is a reminder of what we had forgotten. We indeed have forgotten the best part of our heart the soul and its wisdom. What we are now living with is the mind and its knowledgeTo me "as Allah had commnaded to go into them" means think and act. Allah will guide you. Go as He guuides you. It is a not matter to be discussed with the fellow people. Let it be secret and sacred! Do not ask no one but HIMSELF. Allah alone shall be the best guide into it.
You are right Tony. You made me realise " as Allah had commanded!"
I will go as He shows the Way, for His guidance is the Best and i turn to HIM alone.So what makes them foul for you that you seem to dislike oral sex?
I can discuss this. But it is not fitting to the dignity of the forum of islam; the discussion will be very dirty and annoying and embarrassing. Let each of us turn to Allah and follow as He Commands. this can be in no way public address. i conclude my corresprondence in this subject matter.
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Peace be upon you Tony,
Masturbation, sex aids, felatio, cunnilingus, anal sex look ikky yucky to the conservative types but their repugnance have no Quranic basis unless they are done outside marriage or excessively. I see nothing illegal in them. The only thing clearly discouraged by the Quran is sex during menstruation. Besides menstruation , I cannot see how we turn our backs from the restricted masjid with any kind of sexual act with one's spouse.
How do we judge? By another book?
We judge by the book of life. What is the anus used for? Answer that and we can continue.
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Peace be upon you Tony,
Masturbation, sex aids, felatio, cunnilingus, anal sex look ikky yucky to the conservative types but their repugnance have no Quranic basis unless they are done outside marriage or excessively. I see nothing illegal in them. The only thing clearly discouraged by the Quran is sex during menstruation. Besides menstruation , I cannot see how we turn our backs from the restricted masjid with any kind of sexual act with one's spouse.
How do we judge? By another book?
We judge by the book of life. What is the anus used for? Answer that and we can continue.
Salam Idolfree..
The anus is used for defacating. Using it for sex could cause some medical problems. The penis and vagina are used for urinating and copulation, the mouth is used for eating and speaking. Oral sex and normal coitus are not more harmful than the other.
I can see the evils of anal sex with regards to our health...thats what the book of life (the doctors) tells me. I don't hear (or read) the book of life declaring oral sex to be bad..in fact I hear it saying that oral sex could be a substitute for coitus especially when there is some sexual problem or danger of pregnancy.
But most important of all, I do not read it anywhere in the Quran that we should declare it bad, unless somebody shows me.
Peace!
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Peace be upon you Tony,
Yes, the anus if for defecating, not sex.
I am done with this thread.
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salam .
like Idolfree said " do not enter the houses from the back doors, enter from the proper doors".the homosexual sex illogical and unnatural ,because it is clear that a penis does not fit in another penis but in a vagina . in the same way .penis is designed for the vaina and not for the mouth .
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Peace everyone,
I'll add a side note relating to the topic under discussion.
Those who are familiar with the concept of life energy, commonly called Qi, as in for example QiGong, could understand that male ejaculation is a huge loss of energy. A great amount of energy is needed to be "inserted" into the sperms so that they 1) will be able to travel to the egg cell and 2) be able to give rise to a new energetic independent system (a new human being). This is of course not "established knowledge" as per "western scientific methods".
However, the main point is that excessive ejaculation is detremental to the internal energy of you - the energy that keeps you healthy, protects you from disease etc. So in this sense, alot of sex that always ends up in ejaculation is a good way of ageing quickly.
Like always, anything in excess is bad.
a link on this topic
http//www.taijiworld.com/Articles/sex.htm -
Salaams,
My thoughts are that anal sex is disapproved of but not forbidden, except in hadith literature, and oral sex is neither haram or halal, depending upon other circumstances such as swallowing impurities. In anal sex that includes oral-entry into the anus, impurities are likely to to be swallowed. In vagina-oriented oral sex, one has to be wary of urine, which is impure, as well as blood. In my opinion, anal sex opens the door to homosexuality.
What's the difference between the anus of a male and a female? Just looking for a flesh hole is a door to disaster. Beware! Beastiality, or sex with animals also has to be considered. I hope that people know that it is not safe or modest to be nude around animals. Let us be intelligent and use our aql, the great gift of Allah to the human being. be wary of foreign ideas creeping in among us from shaytan through those who are to some degree more succeptible to his influences. we are Progressive Muslims, not degenerates.
Please, be respectful and do not use language with an intent of stirring up desires in our fellow seekers. Remember that there are single and married people on this post and perhaps virgins as well. There is a place and time for everything. The Qur'an is our guideline; please remember that.
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Peace be upon you Zulf,
I'll add a side note relating to the topic under discussion.
Those who are familiar with the concept of life energy, commonly called Qi, as in for example QiGong, could understand that male ejaculation is a huge loss of energy. A great amount of energy is needed to be "inserted" into the sperms so that they 1) will be able to travel to the egg cell and 2) be able to give rise to a new energetic independent system (a new human being). This is of course not "established knowledge" as per "western scientific methods".
However, the main point is that excessive ejaculation is detremental to the internal energy of you - the energy that keeps you healthy, protects you from disease etc. So in this sense, alot of sex that always ends up in ejaculation is a good way of ageing quickly.
Like always, anything in excess is bad.
FANTASTIC!!!!
It is my understanding that this reading has described the Life Energy as "Ruh Ul Quddus" (Divine Energy).
Great Post Zulf!
Man, I cant tell you how many connections you just made for me!
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Salam and Peace!
Some people are arguing that Allah has not forbidden "Anal Sex" or "Oral Sex" in His Quran,----so if they do it, there is no harm in it.
We should remember, and never forget,-----that Allah is our Lord and Master. We are His slaves.
A slave is a slave of his Master's Commandments.
A slave never says or argues (stubbornly) that "My Master did not forbid this, so I will do it."Please consider this example
A master while leaving for some business, orders his slave to throw 50 buckets of water in the paddy-field. The master then leaves.
When the master comes back, he inspects the paddy-field, and is struck with anger to see the field flooded with water.
He call his slave and asks, "What did you do with the field?"
"I watered the field, o master!"
"How many buckets?"
"200 buckets, o master!"
"Hey disobedient slave!----I ordered you to throw 50 buckets of water in the paddy-field."
"Yes, my master!---But you didn't forbid me to throw 200 buckets of water."The master is red with anger, and gives a big punch on the slave's nose, the slave goes flat on the floor.
Did you see, everyone,-----the slave did what the master did not forbid,----but with that, he did not do, what the master commanded him to do???
Allah is our Master. He has sent down for us His Holy and Exalted Quran (The Guidance-----a Guidance, only and only, for those who fear Allah (22)) which is Complete and fully Detailed (6 114-116).
Now, please read The Master's Holy Commandment, which the obedient slave must obey
-----"And they ask you (O Messenger) about menstruation. Say ?It is a hurt, so keep away from women during menstruation, and do not approach them until they are cleansed. So when they have purified themselves, then go to them from where Allah has ordained upon you. Indeed, Allah loves those who turn to Him in repentance and He loves those who purify themselves." (2222)
Contemplate,-----o husbands!
What is the menstruation-place?----The vigina---Or---The anus???
The vigina, indeed!What do you stop from approaching during menstruation???-----The vigina---Or---The anus???
The vigina, indeed!And when your woman has purified herself, Allah commands you-----"then go to them from where Allah has ordained upon you."-----
And this commandment has been detailed more clearly in the next Verse
-----"Your women are a place of cultivation (for sowing seed) for you, so go to your place of cultivation however you will, and send (good deeds) before you for your selves, and fear Allah, and know that you will (one day) meet Him. And give glad tidings to the believers." (2223)
O husbands!---What is the cultivation place?-----The vigina---Or---The anus???
The vigina, indeed!So, Allah's Firm and Clear Commandment is-----"so go to your place of cultivation however you will"-----
Go to your cultivation place, whenever you want, and from whatever direction you want,---"The cultivation place, only."Is Allah's Commandment not very much clear for the believers???
And Allah says-----"And give glad tidings to the believers."-----
Yes, to the believers only, who fear Allah, and never try dishonestly to find loopholes by saying, "Allah didn't forbid anul sex in The Quran."Again,-----a slave is a slave of his Master's Commandments only.
What The Master has allowed, he obeys that,---and he never says, "But this has not been forbidden."Remember!-----Whatever is not forbidden,-----is not a Commandment of Allah.
And if it is not a Commandment of Allah,-----then how can a slave of Allah even think of doing that???And even remember,-----that when a person, at a particular moment, is doing something which has not been forbidden,-----at that particular moment, he is clearly disobeying what has been Commanded to do.
Allah has Commanded to go to the cultivation place,-----but when a person goes for anal sex, the moment he is doing anal sex,-----at that moment, he is disobeying Allah's Commandment-----"so go to your place of cultivation however you will"
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Is this not the TruthBehindIt? -
Prior to my becoming a Muslim, I confess that I have engaged in anal sex. And I can tell you the "real" difference between anal and vaginal sex, even before I became a Muslim.
Anal sex is more about "lust", not love. It's more of "playing it rough", satisfying oneself.
Vaginal sex is more about love, less of lust. And when carried out intimately, you can really feel the love that flows between you and your partner.
That's all I think I can contribute to the subject.