Bakka/Mecca
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Did you consider the fact that where the kaaba is located was not always referred to as mecca (especially during times of the old prophets)?
Well to begin with. Quran nowhere speaks of kaaba as a meteorite rock.
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History of Jerusalem? Why are we talking about Jerusalem?
Bakka is in Jerusalem, near Temple Mount.
Makka is an aramaic loanword in Quran as proven by its non full inflection. In aramaic it means lower region/valley.
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Well to begin with. Quran nowhere speaks of kaaba as a meteorite rock.
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Who said that it does?
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Who said that it does?
Good for you if you realize it doesnt. But while realizing this you still accept a qibla revolving around some meteorite? Worshipping stones is an old arab bad habit religiouswise you know? Would God allow the qibla to be polluted with a pagan worship? Is that what you've learned from Quran? I've learned when the qibla gets even touched by polytheists Gods sends a messenger to reclaim the qibla.
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Bakka is in Jerusalem, near Temple Mount.
Makka is an aramaic loanword in Quran as proven by its non full inflection. In aramaic it means lower region/valley.
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So as per you it is more logical that mecca was in Jerusalem when the Prophet of Islam was a leader of an Arabian Islamic nation at the time of his death. And somehow, someone said to the Muslims ... you know what ... lets say that Mecca of Jerusalem is actually a place in the Arabian desert that no one has ever heard of. Yeah that should be so much fun! Only problem is convincing the hundreds of thousands of Muslims around the world. No biggie !!
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So as per you it is more logical that mecca was in Jerusalem when the Prophet of Islam was a leader of an Arabian Islamic nation at the time of his death. And somehow, someone said to the Muslims ... you know what ... lets say that Mecca of Jerusalem is actually a place in the Arabian desert that no one has ever heard of. Yeah that should be so much fun! Only problem is convincing the hundreds of thousands of Muslims around the world. No biggie !!
I don't care about what Arabs other Muslims do. Quran does not by accident tell us the arabs are the worst when it comes down to hypocrisy. Neither does Quran by accident tell us that if you follow the majority you will be led astray.
You still misunderstand. Islam is not an arabic faith. The message was in arab. You are one of those that has been brainwashed by hadith and sectarian politics distorting the meaning of Quran, hijacking it to gain political power. Muhammad was instructed to safeguard the qibla, masjid al haram in Palestine. Nothing else. Still today Temple Mount is secure and under the watchful eye of muslims.
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Good for you if you realize it doesnt. But while realizing this you still accept a qibla revolving around some meteorite? Worshipping stones is an old arab bad habit religiouswise you know? Would God allow the qibla to be polluted with a pagan worship? Is that what you've learned from Quran? I've learned when the qibla gets even touched by polytheists Gods sends a messenger to reclaim the qibla.
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I consider the kaaba to be a direction for prayer ... so I don't know know what you're talking about. Maybe thats what you believe in. If your problem with the Kaaba is not to worship stones, then my suggestion to you is to not worship stones ... I for one don't worship any meteorite.
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I don't care about what Arabs other Muslims do. Quran does not by accident tell us the arabs are the worst when it comes down to hypocrisy. Neither does Quran by accident tell us that if you follow the majority you will be led astray.
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Quran does not say that Arabs are the worst. Can you reference that for me plz.
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Quran does not say that Arabs are the worst. Can you reference that for me plz.
http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=9&verse=97#(9971)
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I consider the kaaba to be a direction for prayer ... so I don't know know what you're talking about. Maybe thats what you believe in. If your problem with the Kaaba is not to worship stones, then my suggestion to you is to not worship stones ... I for one don't worship any meteorite.
Okay you dont worship a stone thats good but do you think God would allow pagans to worship a stone like in modern day mecca? Think again! If such a fahisha would occur at the true qibla God will send a messenger. God does not allow such things.
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You still misunderstand. Islam is not an arabic faith. The message was in arab. You are one of those that has been brainwashed by hadith and sectarian politics distorting the meaning of Quran, hijacking it to gain political power. Muhammad was instructed to safeguard the qibla, masjid al haram in Palestine. Nothing else. Still today Temple Mount is secure and under the watchful eye of muslims.
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And I'm sure have a lot of historical record to back up your claim of Islam not being an Arab faith or that Muhammad was actually on a mission to secure the masjid al haram in Palestine.
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Okay you dont worship a stone thats good but do you think God would allow pagans to worship a stone like in modern day mecca? Think again! If such a fahisha would occur at the true qibla God will send a messenger. God does not allow such things.
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None of them worship a stone. I think you need to re-educate yourself on the traditional Muslim view point on what the Kaaba is.
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Historical and Quranic. They fit like a glove.
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None of them worship a stone. I think you need to re-educate yourself on the traditional Muslim view point on what the Kaaba is.
All I see is they placed a meteorite in what they claim to be the most sacred. What I see is laughable. I'm not offended by their practices since it's at a FALSE qibla.
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http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=9&verse=97#(9971)
What is this? To be honest I really don't understand. Can you quote a Quranic verse that says that arabs are the worst hypocrites?
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The arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy... continued
What do you read in 997?
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All I see is they placed a meteorite in what they claim to be the most sacred. What I see is laughable. I'm not offended by their practices since it's at a FALSE qibla.
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False Qibla because you say so? Or because God says so? Can you prove to me that anyone in the Islamic world worships the meteorite?
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False Qibla because you say so? Or because God says so? Can you prove to me that anyone in the Islamic world worships the meteorite?
The proof is in the pudding in this case the meteorite is in the most sacred.
God instructs my qibla to be at Temple Mount in Quran. And it fits the historical record of Jerusalem perfectly.
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Temple Mount is where my faith started. Where did your faith start? In some backwarded village in the desert no one even heared of, not even the jews?
The most sacred of Temple Mount is that it is the place where the abrahamic faith began. Not some meteorite a random nobody placed there to make it look more special.
What will you answer when God confronts you on the Last Day with your ritual of facing a meteorite instead of the qibla God appointed to Ibrahim, and every other messenger after him?
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The arabs are the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy... continued
What do you read in 997?
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Do you just read 997 or do you read after that as well. Let me quote the whole thing
"And there were, among the desert Arabs (also), men who made excuses and came to claim exemption; and those who were false to Allah and His Messenger (merely) sat inactive. Soon will a grievous penalty seize the Unbelievers among them."
"There is no blame on those who are infirm, or ill, or who find no resources to spend (on the cause), if they are sincere (in duty) to Allah and His Messenger no ground (of complaint) can there be against such as do right and Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
"Nor (is there blame) on those who came to thee to be provided with mounts, and when thou saidst, "I can find no mounts for you," they turned back, their eyes streaming with tears of grief that they had no resources wherewith to provide the expenses."
"The ground (of complaint) is against such as claim exemption while they are rich. They prefer to stay with the (women) who remain behind Allah hath sealed their hearts; so they know not (What they miss)."
"They will present their excuses to you when ye return to them. Say thou "Present no excuses we shall not believe you Allah hath already informed us of the true state of matters concerning you It is your actions that Allah and His Messenger will observe in the end will ye be brought back to Him Who knoweth what is hidden and what is open then will He show you the truth of all that ye did."
"They will swear to you by Allah, when ye return to them, that ye may leave them alone. So leave them alone For they are an abomination, and Hell is their dwelling-place,-a fitting recompense for the (evil) that they did."
"They will swear unto you, that ye may be pleased with them but if ye are pleased with them, Allah is not pleased with those who disobey."
"The Arabs of the desert are the worst in Unbelief and hypocrisy, and most fitted to be in ignorance of the command which Allah hath sent down to His Messenger But Allah is All-knowing, All-Wise."
"Some of the desert Arabs look upon their payments as a fine, and watch for disasters for you on them be the disaster of evil for Allah is He That heareth and knoweth (all things)."
"But some of the desert Arabs believe in Allah and the Last Day, and look on their payments as pious gifts bringing them nearer to Allah and obtaining the prayers of the Messenger. Aye, indeed they bring them nearer (to Him) soon will Allah admit them to His Mercy for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
"The vanguard (of Islam)- the first of those who forsook (their homes) and of those who gave them aid, and (also) those who follow them in (all) good deeds,- well-pleased is Allah with them, as are they with Him for them hath He prepared gardens under which rivers flow, to dwell therein for ever that is the supreme felicity."
"Certain of the desert Arabs round about you are hypocrites, as well as (desert Arabs) among the Medina folk they are obstinate in hypocrisy thou knowest them not We know them twice shall We punish them and in addition shall they be sent to a grievous penalty."
"Others (there are who) have acknowledged their wrong-doings they have mixed an act that was good with another that was evil. Perhaps Allah will turn unto them (in Mercy) for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
What in the above makes the arabs to be the worst in disbelief and hypocrisy? I read that Muhmmad was sent as a Prophet among the Arab nation, their issues were discussed as were the issues of everyone else throughout the Quran.
And Btw if you accept the above translations of the Quran then how do you deny Muhammad as being an Arab in Arabia? Kindly explain.