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Oh God. Jinn as a supernatural being is just plain superstition. Jinn is a life perception, notably being faithless and not a type of creation. It is similar to the Gens of Judaism and Gentiles in English which the Jews use in reference to a non-Jew due to their arrogance.
A person who is not sanctioned or in affiliation with God is a Jinn, no matter Shaitaan or not. And a Jinn can potentially become with faith given their individual willpower and efforts. However it takes a reformation of their whole lifestyle, to attain a spiritual ascension and depth.
Faith and harmony with you
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Thank you for your contribution, I appreciate it, do you believe the Qur'an is misunderstood or that the Arabic has been added to or corrupted? The Qur'an makes reference to the jinn having abilities which humans do not have, and says that not all of the jinn are disbelievers, and says they are made of "smokeless fire" and Iblis says of himself that he is made of fire while humankind (Adam) is made of mud.
I'd love to know your explanation for all these? The idea of these creatures "daemons made of aer" where common around the whole world generally, and in Hebrew they are referenced when "ob and ovoth" is mentioned, those with "familiar spirits" and also is where the idea of the "genie in the bottle" seems to have come from, since apparently the idea was that they were kept in a bottle or a wine skin.
Thank you again for replying to my messages, and I look forward to your in depth explanation.
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Where does it say that not all Jinns are faithless?
If you refer to the Jinns who encounter Quran it does not say they have faith but only that they are touched by its passages. Even a faithless person can be touched by quite a few of undistorted passages. Perhaps they become with faith after the encounter, if they make a realization.
To say they are made of this or that is just playing around with the poor Arabic words. A Jinn could be a family friend of yours who lacks faith.
Like I said, it is probably a related word to the Gen or Gentiles of the Jews rather than some supernatural being made of "smokeless fire".
However, it does not say that every Jinn needs to be (like) Shaitaan but they can be servants like Jinns were in service to Solomon in he narration. It is that they lack spiritual ascension and are thus limited in the depth of thinking, such as the narrative about the Jinn who says that he can bring down the rule of the "Queen of the South" fast while the one who was blessed with Knowledge (spiritual depth) could bring it down before one could make a blink with the eye.
Salaam
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Where does it say that not all Jinns are faithless?
If you refer to the Jinns who encounter Quran it does not say they have faith but only that they are touched by its passages. Even a faithless person can be touched by quite a few of undistorted passages. Perhaps they become with faith after the encounter, if they make a realization.
To say they are made of this or that is just playing around with the poor Arabic words. A Jinn could be a family friend of yours who lacks faith.
Like I said, it is probably a related word to the Gen or Gentiles of the Jews rather than some supernatural being made of "smokeless fire".
However, it does not say that every Jinn needs to be (like) Shaitaan but they can be servants like Jinns were in service to Solomon in he narration. It is that they lack spiritual ascension and are thus limited in the depth of thinking, such as the narrative about the Jinn who says that he can bring down the rule of the "Queen of the South" fast while the one who was blessed with Knowledge (spiritual depth) could bring it down before one could make a blink with the eye.
Salaam
The Surah commonly entitled "Al-Jinn" has believing Jinn in it.
They are not supernatural beings. It pretty clearly compares materials when referring to Jinn and Mankind, and refers to Jinn as distinct from Mankind, by saying things like many of the Jinn and Mankind will be punished, are disbelievers, stuff like that. Why is it saying "many of the mankind and mankind" or specify when materials are being mentioned the differentiation between "smokeless fire" and "mud/clay"?
Of course, the Qur'an only confirms what is in reality, so you might believe in jinn had you encountered them directly and seen them, they are just another type of creature like human beings are a certain type of creature, I even showed some video clips so you can get an idea of what they are like in real life.
In the Qur'an they are described as having at times incredible powers, like how the one brought the throne before Solomon very quickly, and they assisted with other things and were mentioned as having abilities that humans don't have, such as in the Surah about Jinn, they fly up into the sky and things.
Anyway, to answer your question though
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O species of Jinn and mankind, had the messengers not come to you, from among yourselves, who used to relate My verses to you, and used to warn you of the encounter of this your day?. They will say, .We testify against ourselves. The worldly life had deceived them, and they will testify against themselves that they were disbelievers.7179
And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones.7213
And as for us, since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it and any who believes in his Lord has no fear, either of a short (account) or of any injustice.7214
'Amongst us are some that submit their wills (to Allah), and some that swerve from justice. Now those who submit their wills - they have sought out (the path) of right conduct5156
I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me.4129
And those who were ungrateful would say Our Lord! Cause us to see those who caused us to go astray among jinn and humankind. We will lay them both beneath our feet so that they become of the lowest.1526
AND, INDEED, We have created man out of sounding clay, out of dark-slime transmuted1527
And the Jinn did We create before them from a fiery blast of fervently hot wind.Jinn were created before humans, that is why Iblis was around before Adam.
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He said What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee? (Iblis) said I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.
There are many more clues in the Qur'an that have indicated to people that these are not human beings referred to, and the belief in these creatures exists around the entire world. If you want to see them, you can check out the videos I posted to see what you think. They aren't entirely hard to find, though people aren't too familiar with them anymore.
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Harmony be with you,
There is a grammatical error which makes you think this. But the sentence(s) is/are not supposed to say Humans and Jinns.
There are no superstitious beings called Jinns which are made of a different matter than humans. In fact the reason you think there are different substances in this universe is because you are deluded into thinking that. The universe is mere energy. And fire is a consequential reaction and not an element and thus no substance.
Please brethren, we have to employ logic based upon what we know. And science can help us even of humans know but little.
Have faith
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Harmony be with you,
There is a grammatical error which makes you think this. But the sentence(s) is/are not supposed to say Humans and Jinns.
There are no superstitious beings called Jinns which are made of a different matter than humans. In fact the reason you think there are different substances in this universe is because you are deluded into thinking that. The universe is mere energy. And fire is a consequential reaction and not an element and thus no substance.
Please brethren, we have to employ logic based upon what we know. And science can help us even of humans know but little.
Have faith
I'm not saying that there are "superstitious beings", I'm saying there are creatures created by Allah, what are your views on angels and angels having wings?
The existence of "plasma" is a scientific thing, it is what "fire" is as well and also lightning, it is called "ionized gas".
We are not made of mud (carbon matter) only, and the main problem is you just don't believe in what you haven't seen or experienced perhaps, but the jinn are usually referred to along with mankind and then also other animals, like when mentioning the armies of Solomon having animals as part of it. Surely the speaking of a bird, and the communication to Solomon of an ant, and having sway over the winds, and having a throne brought to him by a jinn in an instant and other things are all superstitious sounding matters.
What is your view of the Qur'an? Is the Qur'an an important book to you? If so, why? I'm genuinely curious.
Certainly the Qur'an is full of things like a staff being turned into a snake and back, a voice from a burning bush, and other things, though the jinn are not even described as supernatural but a creation made before the humankind. What is Iblis? Is Iblis a human being? Is Iblis an angel? What is an angel?
Why does the Qur'an make a point about believing in the "unseen"?
Generations of Arabic grammarians and Semitic language linguists to this day have all misunderstood this word as pertaining to a race along with mankind?
Feel free to share with me all your ideas in this thread! It may help others to come to your understanding as well!
I once met a person who was a radical seeming follower of Hadith who surprised me by saying the Angels were natural elements and not what seems to be described in the English translations of the Qur'an.
There seem to be a wide variety of beliefs out there, but I showed some verses to show that the jinn can be believers, that the jinn are associated with being made of fire while humans are differentiated from jinn as being made of mud, and so on. Of course, these could all just be repeated and numerous translation errors, which you can explain probably, though the Jews understood this idea of "familiar spirits" the idea existed as the "demons" and "daemons" in the New Testament as well, and its a generally well attested to concept in the world, and though it might often sound superstitious in those contexts, the Qur'an is speaking about something natural, not superstitious or supernatural as far as I can tell.
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Well, fire is not its own element on its own. It is a result of various conditions, and it "eats" elements to "survive". Nothing can be made of fire.
One way or another you can say it is like saying something is made of electricity.
What you said is when you speak of elements which are ionized and something is so hot it is plasma. It is yet not a different matter but a condition.
Traditional interpretation says angels have wings etc etc. I have not researched this phenomenon myself. However I do not see that they have a physical form at all but are ethereal beings.
Salaam
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I'm not saying that there are "superstitious beings", I'm saying there are creatures created by Allah, what are your views on angels and angels having wings?
The existence of "plasma" is a scientific thing, it is what "fire" is as well and also lightning, it is called "ionized gas".
We are not made of mud (carbon matter) only, and the main problem is you just don't believe in what you haven't seen or experienced perhaps, but the jinn are usually referred to along with mankind and then also other animals, like when mentioning the armies of Solomon having animals as part of it. Surely the speaking of a bird, and the communication to Solomon of an ant, and having sway over the winds, and having a throne brought to him by a jinn in an instant and other things are all superstitious sounding matters.
What is your view of the Qur'an? Is the Qur'an an important book to you? If so, why? I'm genuinely curious.
Certainly the Qur'an is full of things like a staff being turned into a snake and back, a voice from a burning bush, and other things, though the jinn are not even described as supernatural but a creation made before the humankind. What is Iblis? Is Iblis a human being? Is Iblis an angel? What is an angel?
Why does the Qur'an make a point about believing in the "unseen"?
Generations of Arabic grammarians and Semitic language linguists to this day have all misunderstood this word as pertaining to a race along with mankind?
Feel free to share with me all your ideas in this thread! It may help others to come to your understanding as well!
I once met a person who was a radical seeming follower of Hadith who surprised me by saying the Angels were natural elements and not what seems to be described in the English translations of the Qur'an.
There seem to be a wide variety of beliefs out there, but I showed some verses to show that the jinn can be believers, that the jinn are associated with being made of fire while humans are differentiated from jinn as being made of mud, and so on. Of course, these could all just be repeated and numerous translation errors, which you can explain probably, though the Jews understood this idea of "familiar spirits" the idea existed as the "demons" and "daemons" in the New Testament as well, and its a generally well attested to concept in the world, and though it might often sound superstitious in those contexts, the Qur'an is speaking about something natural, not superstitious or supernatural as far as I can tell.
Exactly, Jinn are natural. Just like we are natural. It's interesting to analyze the metaphor of the distinct creation of Jinn and humans. If we look into what humans are made of we know from a scientific point of view we are made of heavy elements that are created by stars/supernovas. The calcium in our bones is the same calcium that is being emitted by stars. These elements are created in supernovas by a process called fusion fueled by hydrogen and helium.
Hydrogen and helium themselves were created before the heavier elements like calcium. 3 minutes after the big bang the lighter elements helium and hydrogen formed which in turn formed the stars.
It's remarkable Quran tells us exactly this. The Jinn were created before Humans from fire (lighter elements), while man was created afterwards from mud/clay (heavier elements). The chronology is spot on. The metaphor towards heavy and light elements is spot on.
I can't tell what Jinn exactly are. But I can tell you they are made from lighter elements and predate mankind making them distinctly different from man.
Peace
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Well, fire is not its own element on its own. It is a result of various conditions, and it "eats" elements to "survive". Nothing can be made of fire.
One way or another you can say it is like saying something is made of electricity.
What you said is when you speak of elements which are ionized and something is so hot it is plasma. It is yet not a different matter but a condition.
Traditional interpretation says angels have wings etc etc. I have not researched this phenomenon myself. However I do not see that they have a physical form at all but are ethereal beings.
Salaam
Why is that not considered superstitious though? Why isn't the idea of these "ethereal beings" not superstitious seeming to you (if it isn't)?
The Qur'an specifies "smokeless fire" as a description for some essence from which these things before humans were made, were made, while humans are said to be made of "mud" and also made of "water", both are not entirely true statements, but something is being referred to in them.
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Why is that not considered superstitious though? Why isn't the idea of these "ethereal beings" not superstitious seeming to you (if it isn't)?
The Qur'an specifies "smokeless fire" as a description for some essence from which these things before humans were made, were made, while humans are said to be made of "mud" and also made of "water", both are not entirely true statements, but something is being referred to in them.
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All praise is due to Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, the Maker of the angels, messengers flying on wings, two, and three, and four; He adds to creation what He pleases; surely Allah has power over all things.Please view my earlier post in which I explain this to be a reference to lighter and heavier elements. The smokeless fire being referred to in Quran is of course the early state of the universe after Big Bang, consisting of clouds of gas (hydrogen and helium). By the effects of gravity these clouds formed into stars.
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Yes, but all translations are interpretations. You supplied me with a translation.
Humans are also ethereal beings, but we are assigned to fleshly bodies, which are like a jail. However our soul is abstract and ethereal and once we live no more we free the spirit from the flesh (give up the spirit).
The angels can be assigned to bodies in disguise, but are most likely ethereal (bodyless) when not assigned to a body. If they are fixed beings with bodies and with wings like you say, then this is their physical limitation as well. Their body needs to turn somewhere if they loose their spirit from that shell to disguise themselves in a humanly body. If angels have physical bodies then it is slightly awkward for them to transport themselves and they must obey to the laws of physics.
And in the same kind of translations you provide me with God has a throne and will come to Earth with the angels in swarms at the end of days, according to that interpretation.
But there is a spiritual realm which that you cannot see because you cannot see through this illusion, even if you can acquire knowledge of how things really are. When you die you will see through the illusion. You could not see it because you were locked inside a beast body.
Perceptive enough people may be able to "feel" beyond this illusion though.
If there are evil spirits that are ethereal, they are not the only Jinns in that case. Jinn is a person who is not under the grace of God so to say.
Evil or good spirits do not work the way we understand it and are likely not bound to space or time as to give them a definition as per how we perceive the world.
But angels nor we in the next life will not be restricted by physical bodies. Angels may be a prior kind of souls who have passed another test. The beast you is not really you but only the spiritual part of you is. The beast (physical body) will die and you will attain a spirit form.
If one is wise in this life they begin to separate the spirit from the flesh now already instead of indulging in it, because it seems that the ones who do not manage this have a lesser accommodation than the ones who do. This is JUST an illusion and it will not work this way later. And it is all about spiritual assimilation and to grow spiritually.
Have faith
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Yes, but all translations are interpretations. You supplied me with a translation.
Humans are also ethereal beings, but we are assigned to fleshly bodies, which are like a jail. However our soul is abstract and ethereal and once we live no more we free the spirit from the flesh (give up the spirit).
The angels can be assigned to bodies in disguise, but are most likely ethereal (bodyless) when not assigned to a body. If they are fixed beings with bodies and with wings like you say, then this is their physical limitation as well. Their body needs to turn somewhere if they loose their spirit from that shell to disguise themselves in a humanly body. If angels have physical bodies then it is slightly awkward for them to transport themselves and they must obey to the laws of physics.
And in the same kind of translations you provide me with God has a throne and will come to Earth with the angels in swarms at the end of days, according to that interpretation.
But there is a spiritual realm which that you cannot see because you cannot see through this illusion, even if you can acquire knowledge of how things really are. When you die you will see through the illusion. You could not see it because you were locked inside a beast body.
Perceptive enough people may be able to "feel" beyond this illusion though.
If there are evil spirits that are ethereal, they are not the only Jinns in that case. Jinn is a person who is not under the grace of God so to say.
Evil or good spirits do not work the way we understand it and are likely not bound to space or time as to give them a definition as per how we perceive the world.
But angels nor we in the next life will not be restricted by physical bodies. Angels may be a prior kind of souls who have passed another test. The beast you is not really you but only the spiritual part of you is. The beast (physical body) will die and you will attain a spirit form.
If one is wise in this life they begin to separate the spirit from the flesh now already instead of indulging in it, because it seems that the ones who do not manage this have a lesser accommodation than the ones who do. This is JUST an illusion and it will not work this way later. And it is all about spiritual assimilation and to grow spiritually.
Have faith
Thank you. Why do you think the laws of physics must be obeyed, when the snake was turned into the staff and the angels said Allah only says "Be" and it is? This is all information, it can change easily, the throne can come down, it doesn't mean that anything is necessarily visibly on it. What is an ethereal thing? It is unseen but has some limitations, an invisible set of limitations or "form"? We are just experience, we are "empty" in a sense, there is only the information we are receiving, same as an angel might receive information or a jinn. Just a few months ago you weren't sure about the Jinn, how did you become so sure now that its a reference to a certain kind of disbeliever or whatever, when the Qur'an even mentions believers among them? I'm more concerned about how just a few months ago you were more open seeming and have since strongly decided this thing.
Do you read the Qur'an completely, repeatedly? How do you practice your system? Your ideas at times seem to match up well with certain Gnostic ideas, like the idea of being trapped within a material body while we are ethereal beings, which Yoda says "crude matter" and whatever, but you seem to believe in sciences as if sciences aren't just an illusion as well, that if Allah wills, some information doesn't have to fit neatly into the "laws of physics" which are just laws Allah makes up anyway. The Qur'an repeatedly shows examples of how Allah can defy any such things easily, since its all information which Allah can change in an instant like turning the staff into a snake and the snake into a staff, it was to demonstrate that these things do not have to accord to any system or sciences or laws, the only law is what Allah says to "Be" and it is.
The jinn are mentioned alongside humanity repeatedly, the root of the word comes from "hidden", its the same root used for words like Jannah, implying a "hidden garden" type idea probably.
How is it that these things supposedly made of "smokeless fire" (and what is the point of it mentioning that repeatedly in the Qur'an if they are humans), are mentioned being made before the humankind? Why are they mentioned apart from humankind? Why are you so convinced of your theory? Did you see the videos I posted even? You can even see them in there.
What we are, what everything is, is information, we are experience, we are experiencers of information, whatever information God makes for us is what we "know" and "are", so the ethereal bodies (is there some science regarding them as well?), are they anything if they have no body? They would only be what we are currently, nothing but information input, experiencing information that God is creating for us, whatever it might be.
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I again want to stress how the creation of Jinn and human correlates with the events of big bang. Before helium was formed in the very early beginning after big bang the universe was massively hot. Light was not seperated from matter. In fact matter didn't even exist. In a very short time frame the universe expanded massively and cooled down a little eventually resulting in light being seperated from matter and the formation of atoms.
The background noise scientists measure still today from big bang is an echo from this moment during the big bang. In fact before these atoms were formed the entire universe was transparent. Hidden.
Now compare this to the hidden Jinn being created before material man.
Is it superstitious to believe Jinn are hidden creatures seperate from humans? No, it requires as much superstition as to believe this whole universe at one point was in such a state.
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Please view my earlier post in which I explain this to be a reference to lighter and heavier elements. The smokeless fire being referred to in Quran is of course the early state of the universe after Big Bang, consisting of clouds of gas (hydrogen and helium). By the effects of gravity these clouds formed into stars.
The jinn look like auroras in many ways like the aurora borealis in how they move and appear, but the jinn are not stars if that is what you are suggesting, since they can not even go into the heavens according to the Surah about the Jinn to pry into its secrets when they tried and find that they are in danger there, they are also clearly on Earth awaiting judgment, and can disbelieve while others can believe, while the stars are all obedient to Allah. Iblis is not a star either, he was sent into the world along with humans.
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The jinn look like auroras in many ways like the aurora borealis in how they move and appear, but the jinn are not stars if that is what you are suggesting, since they can not even go into the heavens according to the Surah about the Jinn to pry into its secrets when they tried and find that they are in danger there, they are also clearly on Earth awaiting judgment, and can disbelieve while others can believe, while the stars are all obedient to Allah. Iblis is not a star either, he was sent into the world along with humans.
I am nowhere suggesting Jinn are stars. The only thing I'm saying is this universe at some point was a place that did not have matter. If Jinn existed in that environment which they likely did they must have been made of the same building blocks the universe was made of then. Either deuterium, hydrogen or helium-4. (Note everything is created in pairs - deuterium has a nucleus composed of two particles).
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I am nowhere suggesting Jinn are stars. The only thing I'm saying is this universe at some point was a place that did not have matter. If Jinn existed in that environment which they likely did they must have been made of the same building blocks the universe was made of then. Either deuterium, hydrogen or helium-4. (Note everything is created in pairs - deuterium has a nucleus composed of two particles).
Yeah, that is a fine idea, though I don't think they were created nearly that early though, but maybe.
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Harmony Freedom,
I think I cannot really agree with you on the Jinn root as meaning hidden. is regarded as meaning snake and this is because it has usually seen seen as a 'lowly being' as the letters and mean literally 'lowly entity'.
"Trapped" inside a beast as you say is the general message of both Jesus and Quran. It is of course difficult to comprehend exactly how things work, but it is a sort of spiritual assimilation with what is Allah that is the aim for a person who has grasped the message.
If you mention Gnosticism then you place me in a religion which I am not.
We are information yes, or rather, our physical bodies and everything else in the world we see, is made of energy as its base. If a staff can turn into a snake this is nothing strange since God is in control of the creation.
Have faith
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Harmony Freedom,
I think I cannot really agree with you on the Jinn root as meaning hidden. is regarded as meaning snake and this is because it has usually seen seen as a 'lowly being' as the letters and mean literally 'lowly entity'.
"Trapped" inside a beast as you say is the general message of both Jesus and Quran. It is of course difficult to comprehend exactly how things work, but it is a sort of spiritual assimilation with what is Allah that is the aim for a person who has grasped the message.
If you mention Gnosticism then you place me in a religion which I am not.
We are information yes, or rather, our physical bodies and everything else in the world we see, is made of energy as its base. If a staff can turn into a snake this is nothing strange since God is in control of the creation.
Have faith
Why have so many linguists associated the root or radix of the term Jinn as well as Jannah with "hidden"? What does Jannah have to do with snakes? Are you trying to mix up Nachash from the Bible with Jinn?
What is your objection to the Jinn being a natural being alongside the human race? Why is this a problem? Is it because you haven't seen them or met them personally?
I'm not accusing you of being a Gnostic, its just that the idea of an "ethereal body" or whatever that is within matter is an idea that seems somewhat important in Gnosticism.
Do you perform worship? I'm just curious how you practice your system, if you worship with prostration or at all or what.
I'm also wondering why you've come to these conclusions and what basis you have for what you are saying and also what motivation (like why you particularly don't like the idea).
The root the term jinn is well known among non-muslim linguists to mean "hidden" as well, so this is not some idea coming from Muslims only. Just a few months ago you didn't seem to be so confident on the matter, but now you are spreading the idea very frequently and with lots of confidence, how did that come about?
Snake is a different word, lowly is a different word. Is Jannah lowly somehow? Is Jannah like a snake or a place of snakes?
Regardless of that, the jinn have often been associated with snakes because of their misty form and movement, moving like the aurora at times, like big or little mist snakes or "dragons", nagas, and other things that twirl around and slink, and the "daemons" which are "made of aer" which is basically misty looking stuff in the Roman understanding, appeared heavier than the atmosphere.
They have been referred to throughout the ages, its not some new idea, and yes the people of the world were superstitious, but that does not mean that the creation of the jinn, which the Qur'an says are made of "smokeless fire" and made "before" the "nas" of which "Iblis" was one who even knows and believes in Allah and prayed to Allah so is not "without faith" if by "faith" you mean "belief", since Iblis believes in Allah but he is still a disbeliever in the sense that he lost hope or "despaired" as the root meaning of the word Iblis (balasa) means. He was of the jinn, the jinn who were made before humankind.
Do you read the Qur'an every day or often? Is the Bible very important to you? Arabic didn't derive from Hebrew, and Arabic is considered by some non-muslim linguists to have retained many of the original meanings of words that are found in the Akkadian language and so they look to Arabic often to figure out the root meanings much of the time.
Do you have Edward Lane's lexicon? You should get it, it discusses all the roots and gives huge insight, also to look into the Akkadian language dictionary or lexicon which is available online. It gives lots of insight into words like Muslim, Allah, and whatever, even roots for Jnn or whatever.
Even Nachash, the serpent, can also mean "whisperer", "enchanter", as well as "shining one", besides "snake" which was commonly associated with these creatures around the whole world due to their appearance of being a misty wavering slinking form like the tail often depicted in cartoon genies.
I don't just believe this stuff out of the blue though, and you might be imagining them in a silly way which makes you completely reject the idea of Jinn as being a creature created by Allah, but I showed videos that shows you what they look like, you can see them slinking around in the heat vision camera in one video or doing other things, it isn't even that hard to find them or encounter them, people used to pour out libations for them that they would come to and suck off the fumes. They are not supernatural, they are completely natural, maybe you would believe only if you met one?
Did you not even look at the videos I linked?
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Jinn is a state of soul, like broken and not whole. If as in means intact then means broken/disintegrated.
If it is used to symbolize Heaven then that is likely due to that the chain is broken when you give up the ghost. It is a relief, unless you are destined for Gehenna of course.
A broken soul will remain broken as well and will not have access to the realm which is the real existence. Jesus said that he was come to heal broken souls and not the healthy, and this in reply to the complaints that he invited sinners etc.
And I give a heck in what dictionaries say because I do not follow the words of men but I only do as according to God.
Have faith
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Jinn is a state of soul, like broken and not whole. If as in means intact then means broken/disintegrated.
If it is used to symbolize Heaven then that is likely due to that the chain is broken when you give up the ghost. It is a relief, unless you are destined for Gehenna of course.
A broken soul will remain broken as well and will not have access to the realm which is the real existence. Jesus said that he was come to heal broken souls and not the healthy, and this in reply to the complaints that he invited sinners etc.
And I give a heck in what dictionaries say because I do not follow the words of men but I only do as according to God.
Have faith
Please read the following, yes it does mention some words of men, but then I also show the Qur'an and make clear points
I don't know why you're so confident about this idea that you're spreading it around, because the etymology of the term "gentile" and "gens" from Latin is from a different language family.
Many people make the serious mistake of mixing or connecting unrelated languages and words.
gentile (n.) Look up gentile at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "chivalrous person; member of the nobility;" see gentile (adj.). Also used during 14c. to mean both "one who is not a Christian" and "one who is not a Jew." The Latin word was used in Vulgate to translate Greek ethnikos, from ta ethne "the nations," which translated Hebrew ha goyim "the (non-Jewish) nations."
gentile (adj.) Look up gentile at Dictionary.com
mid-13c., "noble, kind, gracious" (mid-12c. as a surname); late 14c., "of noble rank or birth, belonging to the gentry," from Late Latin gentilis "foreign, heathen, pagan," from Latin gentilis "person belonging to the same family, fellow countryman," from gentilis (adj.) "of the same family or clan," from gens (genitive gentis) "race, clan" (see gentle).The word Goy and Goyim has a totally different etymology and origin, and is totally unconnected to the Latin, but the term was chosen for translations.
Goyim means "nations", the eem makes it plural.
Jinn is from a totally different language family
genie (n.) Look up genie at Dictionary.com
1650s, "tutelary spirit," from French g?nie, from Latin genius (see genius); used in French translation of "Arabian Nights" to render Arabic jinni, singular of jinn, which it accidentally resembled, and attested in English with this sense from 1748.genius (n.) Look up genius at Dictionary.com
late 14c., "tutelary god (classical or pagan)," from Latin genius "guardian deity or spirit which watches over each person from birth; spirit, incarnation, wit, talent;"The term Genius and Jinn are also unconnected, they are from different language families, though both terms refer to the same creatures.
daemon (n.) Look up daemon at Dictionary.com
alternative spelling (in specialized senses) of demon (q.v.). Related Daemonic.
demon (n.) Look up demon at Dictionary.com
c.1200, from Latin daemon "spirit," from Greek daimon "deity, divine power; lesser god; guiding spirit, tutelary deity" (sometimes including souls of the dead); "one's genius, lot, or fortune;" from PIE *dai-mon- "divider, provider" (of fortunes or destinies), from root *da- "to divide" (see tide (n.)).Used (with daimonion) in Christian Greek translations and Vulgate for "god of the heathen" and "unclean spirit." Jewish authors earlier had employed the Greek word in this sense, using it to render shedim "lords, idols" in the Septuagint, and Matt. viii31 has daimones, translated as deofol in Old English, feend or deuil in Middle English. Another Old English word for this was hellcniht, literally "hell-knight."
air (n.1) Look up air at Dictionary.com
c.1300, "invisible gases that make up the atmosphere," from Old French air "atmosphere, breeze, weather" (12c.), from Latin aerem (nominative aer) "air, lower atmosphere, sky," from Greek aer (genitive aeros) "air" (related to aenai "to blow, breathe", of unknown origin, possibly from a base *awer- and thus related to aeirein "to raise" and arteria "windpipe, artery" (see aorta) on notion of "lifting, that which rises." In Homer mostly "thick air, mist;" later "air" as one of the four elements.The Daemons were said to be made of "aer" which in that language meant "thick mist", and that is literally what they look like, you can see for yourself in the videos.
Where do you get your information from? It is mixing etymologies that have nothing to do with each other.
The word Jinn is not etymologically connected to Genius or Daemon but refers to the same thing, while the Latin Gens has nothing to do with the word Goy etymologically, they are from different languages and language families. One is from the "indo-european" language family, and one is from the "semitic" language family.
So can you please tell me where you're getting your information from? The connections you are making do not have an etymological basis. I like the idea you are presenting, it is an interesting idea, but what is it based on? You can't take words from other languages and language families and say they are connected to words from entirely different language families. Lots of people do that though, its a fallacy, its a mistake to do that, just because words sound similar from different language families doesn't mean they are etymologically connected or have the same origin.
Why do you think they are both human, when it lists a bunch of different creatures
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And his hosts of the jinn and the men and the birds were gathered to him, and they were formed into groups.Jinn and the men and the birds, three categories, why are they listed like that? Are the birds also humans in this section, since the bird talks and it says that he could understand the speech of creatures like birds and other animals?
Why is the root, if the root means "faithless" or "snake" or "lowly" as you suggest (with what evidence?) used in the word Jannah, what does Jannah have to do with faithlessness, snakes, or the quality of being degraded?
The root JNN is connected to the words Jinn, Jannah, Janin. Janin means "foetus", the fetus as it is hidden in the womb.
This differentiates it from the Arabic words ?Hadeeqa? and ?Bostan? that have different descriptions and are used for gardens, while Jannah specifically refers to the "Hidden" aspect of the garden, and Jinn are etymologically known by linguists (who are also non-muslim linguists) as "hidden" as well, and the JNN root has this meaning of being hidden.
The term used for faithless people is kaffir, which has a different sense of the term "covered up", which is referenced many times, that their seeing, hearing, and understanding is covered up, while the JNN word means concealment, like being hidden as a fetus hides or is concealed in the womb, that Paradise is hidden from us and hidden from view, hidden in the future.
What is this Hebrew term you keep mentioning "Gens"? Do you think the word Gentile is Hebrew? It isn't Hebrew, it is a translation of the term Goy.
The other form of the Latin Gen, means origination, to beget, like Genesis, Generation, and stuff like that. It still isn't connected to the Semitic language family so has nothing to do with Hebrew or the term Goy.
So do you just get inspired with these ideas and think they are automatically the way it is or do you have some evidence to back up what you are spreading around with so much sudden confidence, when just a few months ago you didn't seem so confident on the matter, so how did you come to decide this thing?
What is the Hebrew word "gens", Latin is from a distinct language family, it is not directly related to Hebrew, but even in Latin the term Genius refers to the same creatures though this is called "accidental" or "coincidence" because the Arabic root JNN and the Latin word Genius come from entirely different language families and are unrelated, and also their meaning is unrelated, since the root JNN means hidden and is well attested among linguists to have this meaning or sense.
Plus, I'm not just making this stuff up, not only is it linguistically real, but I understand why they said the "daemons" were made of "aer" because they actually physically look like that, but they didn't know they were actually made of something described as "smokeless fire" which the Qur'an revealed.
So to recap
I'd like to know where exactly you are getting your information and the back up for it. Do you just follow what you imagine or are you reading it somewhere and have evidence? I'm not trying to be rude, I'm trying to understand.
What is your objection to this history and idea?
What is the Hebrew word "gens" that you keep mentioning?
Gentile comes from an entirely different language family, it is not a Hebrew word at all, and the term Genesis, Generation, and whatever else have nothing to do with Hebrew, they are from a different language family, called the Indo-European Language Family, not the Semitic Language family, the Semitic language family works differently, all words are based on a three letter radix or root in the Semitic Language family.
The Hebrew, even the Hebrew root "gnn" is the same as the Arabic JNN, and means "to cover" to "hide" to "be hidden".
The idea of "covering" is used in its other sense in the word Kaffir, which means that they are covered up from the truth, from understanding, or that they conceal the truth (or both).
What basis do you have to say Nas, which is well known to refer to the whole human race, are all spiritual? The Qur'an talks about people who do not believe in Allah and never refers to them as Jinn.
Yet, the Jinn believe in Allah, so how can they be called faithless?
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the like of when Satan says unto man, ?Deny the truth!? - but as soon as has denied the truth, says, ?Behold, I am not responsible for thee behold, I fear God, the Sustainer of all the worlds!?3441
They will say Be Thou Glorified. Thou (alone) art our Guardian, not them! Nay, but they worshipped the jinn; most of them were believers in them.5156
I did not create the Jinns and the human beings except for the purpose that they should worship Me(created the faithless to worship him?).Read the Surah about the Jinn, 72
Say It has been revealed to me that a party of the jinn listened, and they said Surely we have heard a wonderful Quran,
Which guideth unto righteousness, so we believe in it and we ascribe no partner unto our Lord
'And Exalted is the Majesty of our Lord He has taken neither a wife nor a son.
Certainly the foolish among us say preposterous things of God.
But we, truly, thought that the humankind, nor the jinn would ever say a lie about God (These are the faithless talking?)
And indeed (O Muhammad) individuals of humankind used to invoke the protection of individuals of the jinn, so that they increased them in revolt against Allah);(This is well attested to, this was a practice of people around the world, they are called Shin in Japan, from another coincidental unrelated language root from the Chinese term jinn).
They thought, as you did, that God would never raise up anyone from the dead.
And that we sought to touch the heaven but we found it filled (with) guards severe, and flaming fires.
And we used to sit on places (high) therein to listen. But he who listeneth now findeth a flame in wait for him; (these are humans?)
And that we know not whether evil is meant for those who are on earth or whether their Lord means to bring them good
And among us there are righteous folk and among us there are far from that. We are sects having different rules.(Righteous folk, and disbelievers being made distinct here, "We (The Jinn Race) are sects having different rules" Why exactly is the Qur'an giving this person a whole Surah to talk in as if this would impress anyone unless its talking about some other beings of which people have little knowledge?)
And we know that we cannot escape from Allah in the earth, nor can we escape by flight. (The faithless know this? Oh yeah? Might you consider that your inspiration on this matter, of which you were not so sure a few months ago, might be not be accurate?)
Hence, as soon as we heard this guidance, we came to believe in it and he who believes in his Sustainer need never have fear of loss or injustice.
"'Yet that among us are such as have surrendered themselves to God - just as there are among us such as have abandoned themselves to wrongdoing. Now as for those who surrender themselves to Him - it is they that have attained to consciousness of what is right;(WHAT? THE "FAITHLESS" ARE MUSLIMS!? WOW! Do you see that your understanding does not really make much sense anymore? Is it a matter of pride now? Don't let it be! Here is another translation of that 7214 And that we, among us (are) Muslims and among us (are) unjust. And whoever submits, then those have sought (the) right path.)
but as for those who abandon themselves to wrongdoing - they are indeed but fuel for hell!?"
If they are steadfast on the path , We shall provide them with abundant water,
so as to test them by this means for he who shall turn away from the remembrance of his Sustainer, him will He cause to undergo suffering most grievous.
And the places of worship are only for Allah, so pray not unto anyone along with Allah.
And when the slave of Allah stood up in prayer to Him, they densely crowded on him, almost stifling. (if this is still talking about the jinn, then it is talking about how the mist came around him almost stifling his breathing with the dense mist, and if you've encountered jinn you wouldn't doubt this, its just a matter of fact thing, but because you haven't recognized or dealt with jinn, that doesn't mean you must reject their existence.)
Say "I invoke my Sustainer alone, for I do not ascribe divinity to anyone beside Him."
Say "Verily, it is not in my power to cause you harm or to endow you with consciousness of what is right."
Say "Verily, no one could ever protect me from God, nor could I ever find a place to hide from Him
"Unless I proclaim what I receive from Allah and His Messages for any that disobey Allah and His Messenger,- for them is Hell they shall dwell therein for ever."
Until when they see what they are threatened with, then shall they know who is weaker in helpers and fewer in number.
Say "I do not know whether that of which you were forewarned is near, or whether my Sustainer has set for it a distant term."
(He is) the Knower of the Unseen, and He revealeth unto none His secret, (Unseen is a different word here, the Jinn are totally visible to people if you know what to recognize).
Save unto every messenger whom He hath chosen, and then He maketh a guard to go before him and a guard behind him
That He may know that they have indeed conveyed the messages of their Lord. He surroundeth all their doings, and He keepeth count of all things.
Muslim Jinn, Jinn being worshiped (as they were and have been throughout the world), Jinn touching the sky but being harassed by radiation or flames. These are the "faithless" of old? These are "snakes" or "lowly"? It is some point of interest that the Jinn should talk so much about themselves "we are of differing sects" as if that is some news to people? The jinn made before humankind yet are humankind?
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And the jinn We created before, of intensely hot fire.
Are you still going to deny all this?
Are you going to turn away from all this in favor of your own idea which does not have any strong basis?
What is the Hebrew word Gens? Do you know that the Latin language and the Hebrew language are unrelated from different language families?
Will you deny that the words Jinn and Gentile have nothing to do with each other and are from entirely different language families?
Will you keep to your theory even when it says of the jinn there are Muslims in contrast to disbelieving jinn?
I mean there is so much, why would you continue to resist? Is it just because you haven't seen jinn? I showed links to videos which show you what they look like. Do you really need to encounter them yourself in order to believe in their existence? They are creatures, jinn, men, birds. They were made before humans and made from a different material, we are made of mud, they are made of fire, this was the whole argument of Iblis who was a jinn, he existed before Adam, was Iblis a human who existed before Adam and claimed to be made of fire while he is made of mud? What are you talking about? The Qur'an says the jinn were made before humans and were made of fire while the humans were made of mud, and that is why Iblis existed before Adam, the Qur'an remains consistent on the matter, your theory doesn't seem to match up (it is a good idea, an interesting theory, but it doesn't fit properly).
There is not Hebrew word Gentile, the word Gentile is not a Hebrew word, the word Goy is not connected to the root GNN in Hebrew which is the same as JNN, both mean Hidden, and Gentile has nothing to do with that word because its from a different language and was meant to be a translation of the word Goyim used by Jews to refer to all the "nations".