Want to see a Jinn? Here is some information that might help!
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I wrote this on another forum, and was addressing non-Muslims so may have used a slightly different language and approach in these posts
"They aren't from other dimensions or even from outer space. Throughout history mankind has been in communion with another group of Earthlings that are made out of a different material than us. Instead of being made out of carbon matter they are made out of plasma (ionized gas) mostly among other things. They can be seen with the naked eye and are not magical, but their membrane appears like a mist often, and if one looks closely it almost appears as if static is bouncing around, I call it something like "static rain" because it almost looks like its raining inside, but its not rain, those are their little particles bouncing around. If they speed up their vibration somehow or condense they can also illuminate into the famous balls of light that have been seen around the world long before any UFO ideas. They were long communicated with people, and people sought their protection, favor, and help. The old families were often making pacts with these "faeries" and "elves" and "daemons" and "jinn" or whatever else one might wish to call them. They are entirely natural beings, they feed on flammable materials like methane, alcohol, fumes from waste and rot, and can easily be found in any forest or even parks without any trouble and its easier to see them on heat vision. These are the "entities" who are often befriended by the various occultists as well as the ones who help and guide some of the "elite". The character of "Satan" was supposed to be one of these people, before now coming to mean the source of all evil, he was just one of these beings, they move like the aurora so were often associated with serpents/dragons/nagas due to their whispy snake-like form that moves like flame at times.
They are not all united, have diverse beliefs, can not control people or do anything really other than whisper if they are literally in proximity to people, but most people don't realize their presence or notice the mist or anything and they can stretch their membrane out so thin that they are practically invisible, and can seep through cracks and doors and whatever and are pretty versatile in that sense and are often used as spies for those who are friends with them and feed them.
Among them are "supremacists" who dislike the human race and seek their destruction or harming them in various ways or to enslave them and often these view themselves as "higher beings" or promote the idea that they are superior beings when they are just different.
I've encountered them myself, both the gentle and the more agitated, and not alone but with witnesses and photographs and everything. One was a blustering cloud like one that was highly agitated after some fireworks the day prior and was really aggressive about touching and sucking lol was going back and forth on my arm and lifting up all the hairs and they feel like feathers almost because of the static electricity.
The others were just mists that came due to attraction to rotting food fumes they enjoyed, and another was a pinkish tinted one that was also looking for food which is what they are mainly always doing.
Humans are very evil, but many humans have made allies with these creatures too, and many of these creatures can be evil as well just like people, though like the majority of human beings, they seem to be mostly interested in day to day survival and sucking up the gasses they survive on than actually harming anyone or even communicating with anyone. Some people have supposedly long standing pacts with these beings and some of their families, but there is no real magical or mystical component to their honoring such things, which makes them as frightening in a sense as any human being.
This video shows some with night vision and the trail they leave
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPkNBOHKCu8#t=464Here is one smelling some gas maybe, if it isn't a real case, its at least consistent with what they do
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE_C1FXRo20
Here is a funny condensed form (other funny forms can be like one legged hopping looking things which were also mentioned throughout history, but these are just various forms and levels of condensation of the same type of plasma based creature, their abilities and form is generally due to what they have been devouring and how it changes based on that though there are possibly other factors for how they decide to manipulate their membranes
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a1nDOPPXLMHere is a nice big dragon and you get to see the particles floating in it pretty closely too
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oj3t_8a-fYc
Anyway, people are highly deceived if they believe any of the lies told about these creatures or which they might even tell about themselves (maybe some of them believe these lies as well) but they are not from outerspace, the other worlds, any dimensions, they are entirely Earthly, they feed off real things not "energies" but actual fumes and chemical gasses. They have no access to anything spiritual or spiritual knowledge any more than any human being, they aren't superior, they are just different creatures made of something different than most carbon based life forms and they are likely older than human beings in regard to their evolution.
You can easily meet them or encounter them, though it is probably best not to get too involved with them. A good book that gives some clues regarding them is the "Secret Commonwealth" but often people go off into wrong ideas.
They can be killed, harmed, etc, but attacking them makes them highly aggressive, their mode of attacking is basically pushing, throwing things, or trying to pierce people or throwing things really sharp and fast, but some of them are more skilled at that than others. Some are adept at traveling at tremendous speeds, and they can also carry extremely heavy things or move them at times. The ancient King Solomon was said to have many of these in his service which assisted him in engineering projects and other missions.
Generally, those sorcerers who were not just messing with people, were those who had befriended these creatures and used them to frighten people or appear to have magic abilities or to spy on them so that the sorcerer appeared to have some great knowledge, but ultimately its all just trickery and nothing magical, using the ignorance of people regarding these creatures to manipulate people, and such is likely still done to this day, but the majority of these creatures are harmless and just stick to themselves in their own places and communities and families, often out in the wilderness, nearby food sources which is anywhere with ample rot and decay or gas production for them to feed on, so forests, graveyards, garbage dumps, swamps, etc."
"Shaitan doesn't have horns really in the way we know horns, because he is made out of "smokeless fire" which is by definition "plasma" (fire is ionized gas called plasma), while we are made out of carbon matter (which is the reasoning Satan gave in mockery as to his being a superior being)."
"I use the term Satan in multiple ways based on its meaning.
The Qur'an says Satan is a jinn (the term means hidden, and the root is also found in the word Jannah which is the term for paradise like a "hidden garden, hidden in the future).
The Qur'an says that the jinn race are made of "smokeless fire" which is basically plasma by definition. The Qur'an says humans are made out of carbon matter or "mud/clay", and Satan was basically a racist supremacist who wanted his race to be the dominant race on Earth rather than the humans and basically said that he is better than him for the silly racist reason that fire is better than mud. For his racism, he was sent away. His name was said to be Iblis, which comes from a word meaning "he despaired" or "he lost hope", and in his losing hope in himself, he became determined to take down as many humans as possible (instead of simply repenting as Adam later demonstrates in the Qur'an).
Iblis prayed instead to be reprieved and kept alive until the Day of Judgment. Some call him Sanat Kumara meaning the Eternally Youthful.
Then God set up a demonstration which would reveal to mankind (Adam and Eve) the nature of Iblis's tactic which lasts to this day.
An arbitrary "harm" or "wrongdoing" was set up "that which is forbidden, or would lead to harm", and Iblis then comes and does the following
He convinces the people to expose themselves so that they are vulnerable, then he makes them feel shame about their nature or their bodies and makes them feel as if they are not good enough and inferior, then he offers them a "cure" to the fake problem he just convinced them of, and that "cure" just happens to be something that will get them in trouble or lead them to harm.
Adam falls for this "snake oil salesman" trick, but asks for forgiveness, and then continues his task on Earth along with his wife, and Iblis is sent along with them but he was exposed and his trick was made known.
To this day, this tactic of Iblis is used, to make people exposed and vulnerable (naked), to shame them and make them feel like they are missing something, then selling them the cure for their supposed problem, which is to lead them to harm to prove the point of Iblis, that the humans are a bad choice and bad people and are like the mud they are made of, the scum of the Earth.
In the Qur'an, there are many clues provided about the jinn, and in one section a jinn is recorded and this is what they talk about
http//www.islamawakened.com/quran/72/1/default.htm
The jinn are not really totally "unseen" but can be difficult to see when they are stretched into a fine mist, or people don't know about them so they can't identify when they are around, but they are visible to the naked eye and not magical really but made of real material just like humans are made of real material and bound to "scientific laws" generally, the jinn are natural creatures made of plasma (but also made of other things possibly just as humans are made of other things besides clay and water).
They are not difficult to find or see once you know what to look for and how they look generally, as I show in the link I provided in the other post."
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Oh God. Jinn as a supernatural being is just plain superstition. Jinn is a life perception, notably being faithless and not a type of creation. It is similar to the Gens of Judaism and Gentiles in English which the Jews use in reference to a non-Jew due to their arrogance.
A person who is not sanctioned or in affiliation with God is a Jinn, no matter Shaitaan or not. And a Jinn can potentially become with faith given their individual willpower and efforts. However it takes a reformation of their whole lifestyle, to attain a spiritual ascension and depth.
Faith and harmony with you
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Thank you for your contribution, I appreciate it, do you believe the Qur'an is misunderstood or that the Arabic has been added to or corrupted? The Qur'an makes reference to the jinn having abilities which humans do not have, and says that not all of the jinn are disbelievers, and says they are made of "smokeless fire" and Iblis says of himself that he is made of fire while humankind (Adam) is made of mud.
I'd love to know your explanation for all these? The idea of these creatures "daemons made of aer" where common around the whole world generally, and in Hebrew they are referenced when "ob and ovoth" is mentioned, those with "familiar spirits" and also is where the idea of the "genie in the bottle" seems to have come from, since apparently the idea was that they were kept in a bottle or a wine skin.
Thank you again for replying to my messages, and I look forward to your in depth explanation.
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Where does it say that not all Jinns are faithless?
If you refer to the Jinns who encounter Quran it does not say they have faith but only that they are touched by its passages. Even a faithless person can be touched by quite a few of undistorted passages. Perhaps they become with faith after the encounter, if they make a realization.
To say they are made of this or that is just playing around with the poor Arabic words. A Jinn could be a family friend of yours who lacks faith.
Like I said, it is probably a related word to the Gen or Gentiles of the Jews rather than some supernatural being made of "smokeless fire".
However, it does not say that every Jinn needs to be (like) Shaitaan but they can be servants like Jinns were in service to Solomon in he narration. It is that they lack spiritual ascension and are thus limited in the depth of thinking, such as the narrative about the Jinn who says that he can bring down the rule of the "Queen of the South" fast while the one who was blessed with Knowledge (spiritual depth) could bring it down before one could make a blink with the eye.
Salaam
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Where does it say that not all Jinns are faithless?
If you refer to the Jinns who encounter Quran it does not say they have faith but only that they are touched by its passages. Even a faithless person can be touched by quite a few of undistorted passages. Perhaps they become with faith after the encounter, if they make a realization.
To say they are made of this or that is just playing around with the poor Arabic words. A Jinn could be a family friend of yours who lacks faith.
Like I said, it is probably a related word to the Gen or Gentiles of the Jews rather than some supernatural being made of "smokeless fire".
However, it does not say that every Jinn needs to be (like) Shaitaan but they can be servants like Jinns were in service to Solomon in he narration. It is that they lack spiritual ascension and are thus limited in the depth of thinking, such as the narrative about the Jinn who says that he can bring down the rule of the "Queen of the South" fast while the one who was blessed with Knowledge (spiritual depth) could bring it down before one could make a blink with the eye.
Salaam
The Surah commonly entitled "Al-Jinn" has believing Jinn in it.
They are not supernatural beings. It pretty clearly compares materials when referring to Jinn and Mankind, and refers to Jinn as distinct from Mankind, by saying things like many of the Jinn and Mankind will be punished, are disbelievers, stuff like that. Why is it saying "many of the mankind and mankind" or specify when materials are being mentioned the differentiation between "smokeless fire" and "mud/clay"?
Of course, the Qur'an only confirms what is in reality, so you might believe in jinn had you encountered them directly and seen them, they are just another type of creature like human beings are a certain type of creature, I even showed some video clips so you can get an idea of what they are like in real life.
In the Qur'an they are described as having at times incredible powers, like how the one brought the throne before Solomon very quickly, and they assisted with other things and were mentioned as having abilities that humans don't have, such as in the Surah about Jinn, they fly up into the sky and things.
Anyway, to answer your question though
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O species of Jinn and mankind, had the messengers not come to you, from among yourselves, who used to relate My verses to you, and used to warn you of the encounter of this your day?. They will say, .We testify against ourselves. The worldly life had deceived them, and they will testify against themselves that they were disbelievers.7179
And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones.7213
And as for us, since we have listened to the Guidance, we have accepted it and any who believes in his Lord has no fear, either of a short (account) or of any injustice.7214
'Amongst us are some that submit their wills (to Allah), and some that swerve from justice. Now those who submit their wills - they have sought out (the path) of right conduct5156
I created the jinn and humankind only that they might worship Me.4129
And those who were ungrateful would say Our Lord! Cause us to see those who caused us to go astray among jinn and humankind. We will lay them both beneath our feet so that they become of the lowest.1526
AND, INDEED, We have created man out of sounding clay, out of dark-slime transmuted1527
And the Jinn did We create before them from a fiery blast of fervently hot wind.Jinn were created before humans, that is why Iblis was around before Adam.
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He said What hindered thee that thou didst not fall prostrate when I bade thee? (Iblis) said I am better than him. Thou createdst me of fire while him Thou didst create of mud.
There are many more clues in the Qur'an that have indicated to people that these are not human beings referred to, and the belief in these creatures exists around the entire world. If you want to see them, you can check out the videos I posted to see what you think. They aren't entirely hard to find, though people aren't too familiar with them anymore.
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Harmony be with you,
There is a grammatical error which makes you think this. But the sentence(s) is/are not supposed to say Humans and Jinns.
There are no superstitious beings called Jinns which are made of a different matter than humans. In fact the reason you think there are different substances in this universe is because you are deluded into thinking that. The universe is mere energy. And fire is a consequential reaction and not an element and thus no substance.
Please brethren, we have to employ logic based upon what we know. And science can help us even of humans know but little.
Have faith
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Harmony be with you,
There is a grammatical error which makes you think this. But the sentence(s) is/are not supposed to say Humans and Jinns.
There are no superstitious beings called Jinns which are made of a different matter than humans. In fact the reason you think there are different substances in this universe is because you are deluded into thinking that. The universe is mere energy. And fire is a consequential reaction and not an element and thus no substance.
Please brethren, we have to employ logic based upon what we know. And science can help us even of humans know but little.
Have faith
I'm not saying that there are "superstitious beings", I'm saying there are creatures created by Allah, what are your views on angels and angels having wings?
The existence of "plasma" is a scientific thing, it is what "fire" is as well and also lightning, it is called "ionized gas".
We are not made of mud (carbon matter) only, and the main problem is you just don't believe in what you haven't seen or experienced perhaps, but the jinn are usually referred to along with mankind and then also other animals, like when mentioning the armies of Solomon having animals as part of it. Surely the speaking of a bird, and the communication to Solomon of an ant, and having sway over the winds, and having a throne brought to him by a jinn in an instant and other things are all superstitious sounding matters.
What is your view of the Qur'an? Is the Qur'an an important book to you? If so, why? I'm genuinely curious.
Certainly the Qur'an is full of things like a staff being turned into a snake and back, a voice from a burning bush, and other things, though the jinn are not even described as supernatural but a creation made before the humankind. What is Iblis? Is Iblis a human being? Is Iblis an angel? What is an angel?
Why does the Qur'an make a point about believing in the "unseen"?
Generations of Arabic grammarians and Semitic language linguists to this day have all misunderstood this word as pertaining to a race along with mankind?
Feel free to share with me all your ideas in this thread! It may help others to come to your understanding as well!
I once met a person who was a radical seeming follower of Hadith who surprised me by saying the Angels were natural elements and not what seems to be described in the English translations of the Qur'an.
There seem to be a wide variety of beliefs out there, but I showed some verses to show that the jinn can be believers, that the jinn are associated with being made of fire while humans are differentiated from jinn as being made of mud, and so on. Of course, these could all just be repeated and numerous translation errors, which you can explain probably, though the Jews understood this idea of "familiar spirits" the idea existed as the "demons" and "daemons" in the New Testament as well, and its a generally well attested to concept in the world, and though it might often sound superstitious in those contexts, the Qur'an is speaking about something natural, not superstitious or supernatural as far as I can tell.
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Well, fire is not its own element on its own. It is a result of various conditions, and it "eats" elements to "survive". Nothing can be made of fire.
One way or another you can say it is like saying something is made of electricity.
What you said is when you speak of elements which are ionized and something is so hot it is plasma. It is yet not a different matter but a condition.
Traditional interpretation says angels have wings etc etc. I have not researched this phenomenon myself. However I do not see that they have a physical form at all but are ethereal beings.
Salaam
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I'm not saying that there are "superstitious beings", I'm saying there are creatures created by Allah, what are your views on angels and angels having wings?
The existence of "plasma" is a scientific thing, it is what "fire" is as well and also lightning, it is called "ionized gas".
We are not made of mud (carbon matter) only, and the main problem is you just don't believe in what you haven't seen or experienced perhaps, but the jinn are usually referred to along with mankind and then also other animals, like when mentioning the armies of Solomon having animals as part of it. Surely the speaking of a bird, and the communication to Solomon of an ant, and having sway over the winds, and having a throne brought to him by a jinn in an instant and other things are all superstitious sounding matters.
What is your view of the Qur'an? Is the Qur'an an important book to you? If so, why? I'm genuinely curious.
Certainly the Qur'an is full of things like a staff being turned into a snake and back, a voice from a burning bush, and other things, though the jinn are not even described as supernatural but a creation made before the humankind. What is Iblis? Is Iblis a human being? Is Iblis an angel? What is an angel?
Why does the Qur'an make a point about believing in the "unseen"?
Generations of Arabic grammarians and Semitic language linguists to this day have all misunderstood this word as pertaining to a race along with mankind?
Feel free to share with me all your ideas in this thread! It may help others to come to your understanding as well!
I once met a person who was a radical seeming follower of Hadith who surprised me by saying the Angels were natural elements and not what seems to be described in the English translations of the Qur'an.
There seem to be a wide variety of beliefs out there, but I showed some verses to show that the jinn can be believers, that the jinn are associated with being made of fire while humans are differentiated from jinn as being made of mud, and so on. Of course, these could all just be repeated and numerous translation errors, which you can explain probably, though the Jews understood this idea of "familiar spirits" the idea existed as the "demons" and "daemons" in the New Testament as well, and its a generally well attested to concept in the world, and though it might often sound superstitious in those contexts, the Qur'an is speaking about something natural, not superstitious or supernatural as far as I can tell.
Exactly, Jinn are natural. Just like we are natural. It's interesting to analyze the metaphor of the distinct creation of Jinn and humans. If we look into what humans are made of we know from a scientific point of view we are made of heavy elements that are created by stars/supernovas. The calcium in our bones is the same calcium that is being emitted by stars. These elements are created in supernovas by a process called fusion fueled by hydrogen and helium.
Hydrogen and helium themselves were created before the heavier elements like calcium. 3 minutes after the big bang the lighter elements helium and hydrogen formed which in turn formed the stars.
It's remarkable Quran tells us exactly this. The Jinn were created before Humans from fire (lighter elements), while man was created afterwards from mud/clay (heavier elements). The chronology is spot on. The metaphor towards heavy and light elements is spot on.
I can't tell what Jinn exactly are. But I can tell you they are made from lighter elements and predate mankind making them distinctly different from man.
Peace
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Well, fire is not its own element on its own. It is a result of various conditions, and it "eats" elements to "survive". Nothing can be made of fire.
One way or another you can say it is like saying something is made of electricity.
What you said is when you speak of elements which are ionized and something is so hot it is plasma. It is yet not a different matter but a condition.
Traditional interpretation says angels have wings etc etc. I have not researched this phenomenon myself. However I do not see that they have a physical form at all but are ethereal beings.
Salaam
Why is that not considered superstitious though? Why isn't the idea of these "ethereal beings" not superstitious seeming to you (if it isn't)?
The Qur'an specifies "smokeless fire" as a description for some essence from which these things before humans were made, were made, while humans are said to be made of "mud" and also made of "water", both are not entirely true statements, but something is being referred to in them.
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All praise is due to Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, the Maker of the angels, messengers flying on wings, two, and three, and four; He adds to creation what He pleases; surely Allah has power over all things. -
Why is that not considered superstitious though? Why isn't the idea of these "ethereal beings" not superstitious seeming to you (if it isn't)?
The Qur'an specifies "smokeless fire" as a description for some essence from which these things before humans were made, were made, while humans are said to be made of "mud" and also made of "water", both are not entirely true statements, but something is being referred to in them.
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All praise is due to Allah, the Originator of the heavens and the earth, the Maker of the angels, messengers flying on wings, two, and three, and four; He adds to creation what He pleases; surely Allah has power over all things.Please view my earlier post in which I explain this to be a reference to lighter and heavier elements. The smokeless fire being referred to in Quran is of course the early state of the universe after Big Bang, consisting of clouds of gas (hydrogen and helium). By the effects of gravity these clouds formed into stars.
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Yes, but all translations are interpretations. You supplied me with a translation.
Humans are also ethereal beings, but we are assigned to fleshly bodies, which are like a jail. However our soul is abstract and ethereal and once we live no more we free the spirit from the flesh (give up the spirit).
The angels can be assigned to bodies in disguise, but are most likely ethereal (bodyless) when not assigned to a body. If they are fixed beings with bodies and with wings like you say, then this is their physical limitation as well. Their body needs to turn somewhere if they loose their spirit from that shell to disguise themselves in a humanly body. If angels have physical bodies then it is slightly awkward for them to transport themselves and they must obey to the laws of physics.
And in the same kind of translations you provide me with God has a throne and will come to Earth with the angels in swarms at the end of days, according to that interpretation.
But there is a spiritual realm which that you cannot see because you cannot see through this illusion, even if you can acquire knowledge of how things really are. When you die you will see through the illusion. You could not see it because you were locked inside a beast body.
Perceptive enough people may be able to "feel" beyond this illusion though.
If there are evil spirits that are ethereal, they are not the only Jinns in that case. Jinn is a person who is not under the grace of God so to say.
Evil or good spirits do not work the way we understand it and are likely not bound to space or time as to give them a definition as per how we perceive the world.
But angels nor we in the next life will not be restricted by physical bodies. Angels may be a prior kind of souls who have passed another test. The beast you is not really you but only the spiritual part of you is. The beast (physical body) will die and you will attain a spirit form.
If one is wise in this life they begin to separate the spirit from the flesh now already instead of indulging in it, because it seems that the ones who do not manage this have a lesser accommodation than the ones who do. This is JUST an illusion and it will not work this way later. And it is all about spiritual assimilation and to grow spiritually.
Have faith
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Yes, but all translations are interpretations. You supplied me with a translation.
Humans are also ethereal beings, but we are assigned to fleshly bodies, which are like a jail. However our soul is abstract and ethereal and once we live no more we free the spirit from the flesh (give up the spirit).
The angels can be assigned to bodies in disguise, but are most likely ethereal (bodyless) when not assigned to a body. If they are fixed beings with bodies and with wings like you say, then this is their physical limitation as well. Their body needs to turn somewhere if they loose their spirit from that shell to disguise themselves in a humanly body. If angels have physical bodies then it is slightly awkward for them to transport themselves and they must obey to the laws of physics.
And in the same kind of translations you provide me with God has a throne and will come to Earth with the angels in swarms at the end of days, according to that interpretation.
But there is a spiritual realm which that you cannot see because you cannot see through this illusion, even if you can acquire knowledge of how things really are. When you die you will see through the illusion. You could not see it because you were locked inside a beast body.
Perceptive enough people may be able to "feel" beyond this illusion though.
If there are evil spirits that are ethereal, they are not the only Jinns in that case. Jinn is a person who is not under the grace of God so to say.
Evil or good spirits do not work the way we understand it and are likely not bound to space or time as to give them a definition as per how we perceive the world.
But angels nor we in the next life will not be restricted by physical bodies. Angels may be a prior kind of souls who have passed another test. The beast you is not really you but only the spiritual part of you is. The beast (physical body) will die and you will attain a spirit form.
If one is wise in this life they begin to separate the spirit from the flesh now already instead of indulging in it, because it seems that the ones who do not manage this have a lesser accommodation than the ones who do. This is JUST an illusion and it will not work this way later. And it is all about spiritual assimilation and to grow spiritually.
Have faith
Thank you. Why do you think the laws of physics must be obeyed, when the snake was turned into the staff and the angels said Allah only says "Be" and it is? This is all information, it can change easily, the throne can come down, it doesn't mean that anything is necessarily visibly on it. What is an ethereal thing? It is unseen but has some limitations, an invisible set of limitations or "form"? We are just experience, we are "empty" in a sense, there is only the information we are receiving, same as an angel might receive information or a jinn. Just a few months ago you weren't sure about the Jinn, how did you become so sure now that its a reference to a certain kind of disbeliever or whatever, when the Qur'an even mentions believers among them? I'm more concerned about how just a few months ago you were more open seeming and have since strongly decided this thing.
Do you read the Qur'an completely, repeatedly? How do you practice your system? Your ideas at times seem to match up well with certain Gnostic ideas, like the idea of being trapped within a material body while we are ethereal beings, which Yoda says "crude matter" and whatever, but you seem to believe in sciences as if sciences aren't just an illusion as well, that if Allah wills, some information doesn't have to fit neatly into the "laws of physics" which are just laws Allah makes up anyway. The Qur'an repeatedly shows examples of how Allah can defy any such things easily, since its all information which Allah can change in an instant like turning the staff into a snake and the snake into a staff, it was to demonstrate that these things do not have to accord to any system or sciences or laws, the only law is what Allah says to "Be" and it is.
The jinn are mentioned alongside humanity repeatedly, the root of the word comes from "hidden", its the same root used for words like Jannah, implying a "hidden garden" type idea probably.
How is it that these things supposedly made of "smokeless fire" (and what is the point of it mentioning that repeatedly in the Qur'an if they are humans), are mentioned being made before the humankind? Why are they mentioned apart from humankind? Why are you so convinced of your theory? Did you see the videos I posted even? You can even see them in there.
What we are, what everything is, is information, we are experience, we are experiencers of information, whatever information God makes for us is what we "know" and "are", so the ethereal bodies (is there some science regarding them as well?), are they anything if they have no body? They would only be what we are currently, nothing but information input, experiencing information that God is creating for us, whatever it might be.
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I again want to stress how the creation of Jinn and human correlates with the events of big bang. Before helium was formed in the very early beginning after big bang the universe was massively hot. Light was not seperated from matter. In fact matter didn't even exist. In a very short time frame the universe expanded massively and cooled down a little eventually resulting in light being seperated from matter and the formation of atoms.
The background noise scientists measure still today from big bang is an echo from this moment during the big bang. In fact before these atoms were formed the entire universe was transparent. Hidden.
Now compare this to the hidden Jinn being created before material man.
Is it superstitious to believe Jinn are hidden creatures seperate from humans? No, it requires as much superstition as to believe this whole universe at one point was in such a state.
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Please view my earlier post in which I explain this to be a reference to lighter and heavier elements. The smokeless fire being referred to in Quran is of course the early state of the universe after Big Bang, consisting of clouds of gas (hydrogen and helium). By the effects of gravity these clouds formed into stars.
The jinn look like auroras in many ways like the aurora borealis in how they move and appear, but the jinn are not stars if that is what you are suggesting, since they can not even go into the heavens according to the Surah about the Jinn to pry into its secrets when they tried and find that they are in danger there, they are also clearly on Earth awaiting judgment, and can disbelieve while others can believe, while the stars are all obedient to Allah. Iblis is not a star either, he was sent into the world along with humans.
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The jinn look like auroras in many ways like the aurora borealis in how they move and appear, but the jinn are not stars if that is what you are suggesting, since they can not even go into the heavens according to the Surah about the Jinn to pry into its secrets when they tried and find that they are in danger there, they are also clearly on Earth awaiting judgment, and can disbelieve while others can believe, while the stars are all obedient to Allah. Iblis is not a star either, he was sent into the world along with humans.
I am nowhere suggesting Jinn are stars. The only thing I'm saying is this universe at some point was a place that did not have matter. If Jinn existed in that environment which they likely did they must have been made of the same building blocks the universe was made of then. Either deuterium, hydrogen or helium-4. (Note everything is created in pairs - deuterium has a nucleus composed of two particles).
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I am nowhere suggesting Jinn are stars. The only thing I'm saying is this universe at some point was a place that did not have matter. If Jinn existed in that environment which they likely did they must have been made of the same building blocks the universe was made of then. Either deuterium, hydrogen or helium-4. (Note everything is created in pairs - deuterium has a nucleus composed of two particles).
Yeah, that is a fine idea, though I don't think they were created nearly that early though, but maybe.
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Harmony Freedom,
I think I cannot really agree with you on the Jinn root as meaning hidden. is regarded as meaning snake and this is because it has usually seen seen as a 'lowly being' as the letters and mean literally 'lowly entity'.
"Trapped" inside a beast as you say is the general message of both Jesus and Quran. It is of course difficult to comprehend exactly how things work, but it is a sort of spiritual assimilation with what is Allah that is the aim for a person who has grasped the message.
If you mention Gnosticism then you place me in a religion which I am not.
We are information yes, or rather, our physical bodies and everything else in the world we see, is made of energy as its base. If a staff can turn into a snake this is nothing strange since God is in control of the creation.
Have faith
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Harmony Freedom,
I think I cannot really agree with you on the Jinn root as meaning hidden. is regarded as meaning snake and this is because it has usually seen seen as a 'lowly being' as the letters and mean literally 'lowly entity'.
"Trapped" inside a beast as you say is the general message of both Jesus and Quran. It is of course difficult to comprehend exactly how things work, but it is a sort of spiritual assimilation with what is Allah that is the aim for a person who has grasped the message.
If you mention Gnosticism then you place me in a religion which I am not.
We are information yes, or rather, our physical bodies and everything else in the world we see, is made of energy as its base. If a staff can turn into a snake this is nothing strange since God is in control of the creation.
Have faith
Why have so many linguists associated the root or radix of the term Jinn as well as Jannah with "hidden"? What does Jannah have to do with snakes? Are you trying to mix up Nachash from the Bible with Jinn?
What is your objection to the Jinn being a natural being alongside the human race? Why is this a problem? Is it because you haven't seen them or met them personally?
I'm not accusing you of being a Gnostic, its just that the idea of an "ethereal body" or whatever that is within matter is an idea that seems somewhat important in Gnosticism.
Do you perform worship? I'm just curious how you practice your system, if you worship with prostration or at all or what.
I'm also wondering why you've come to these conclusions and what basis you have for what you are saying and also what motivation (like why you particularly don't like the idea).
The root the term jinn is well known among non-muslim linguists to mean "hidden" as well, so this is not some idea coming from Muslims only. Just a few months ago you didn't seem to be so confident on the matter, but now you are spreading the idea very frequently and with lots of confidence, how did that come about?
Snake is a different word, lowly is a different word. Is Jannah lowly somehow? Is Jannah like a snake or a place of snakes?
Regardless of that, the jinn have often been associated with snakes because of their misty form and movement, moving like the aurora at times, like big or little mist snakes or "dragons", nagas, and other things that twirl around and slink, and the "daemons" which are "made of aer" which is basically misty looking stuff in the Roman understanding, appeared heavier than the atmosphere.
They have been referred to throughout the ages, its not some new idea, and yes the people of the world were superstitious, but that does not mean that the creation of the jinn, which the Qur'an says are made of "smokeless fire" and made "before" the "nas" of which "Iblis" was one who even knows and believes in Allah and prayed to Allah so is not "without faith" if by "faith" you mean "belief", since Iblis believes in Allah but he is still a disbeliever in the sense that he lost hope or "despaired" as the root meaning of the word Iblis (balasa) means. He was of the jinn, the jinn who were made before humankind.
Do you read the Qur'an every day or often? Is the Bible very important to you? Arabic didn't derive from Hebrew, and Arabic is considered by some non-muslim linguists to have retained many of the original meanings of words that are found in the Akkadian language and so they look to Arabic often to figure out the root meanings much of the time.
Do you have Edward Lane's lexicon? You should get it, it discusses all the roots and gives huge insight, also to look into the Akkadian language dictionary or lexicon which is available online. It gives lots of insight into words like Muslim, Allah, and whatever, even roots for Jnn or whatever.
Even Nachash, the serpent, can also mean "whisperer", "enchanter", as well as "shining one", besides "snake" which was commonly associated with these creatures around the whole world due to their appearance of being a misty wavering slinking form like the tail often depicted in cartoon genies.
I don't just believe this stuff out of the blue though, and you might be imagining them in a silly way which makes you completely reject the idea of Jinn as being a creature created by Allah, but I showed videos that shows you what they look like, you can see them slinking around in the heat vision camera in one video or doing other things, it isn't even that hard to find them or encounter them, people used to pour out libations for them that they would come to and suck off the fumes. They are not supernatural, they are completely natural, maybe you would believe only if you met one?
Did you not even look at the videos I linked?
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Jinn is a state of soul, like broken and not whole. If as in means intact then means broken/disintegrated.
If it is used to symbolize Heaven then that is likely due to that the chain is broken when you give up the ghost. It is a relief, unless you are destined for Gehenna of course.
A broken soul will remain broken as well and will not have access to the realm which is the real existence. Jesus said that he was come to heal broken souls and not the healthy, and this in reply to the complaints that he invited sinners etc.
And I give a heck in what dictionaries say because I do not follow the words of men but I only do as according to God.
Have faith