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huruf

Both things are not separate, but a continuum. The whole is consistent and the whole must be taken into account. This do not come from nothing. Roots as the vvery word say is from what something else grows and are coherent with what grows out of them.

Salaam

Man_of_Faith

The animals are soulless, they are simply following a "programming", and you cannot turn them into Muslims, since Muslim is a spiritual affinity and even faith towards something. Animals are part of the flesh. Humans can be like animals of course and then they would be regarded as jinn. That is when they are limited in perception and see only this world and are very earthly by other words.

You as human who is a jinn is not much better than an animal. You have instincts and can behave like a sophisticated animal. It is this instinctive nature that is one of the lessons of becoming a spiritual person. You should not be proud over following your instincts if you think that. You are trapped in a beast body and giving in to its primitive nature is just what you are not supposed to do. Then you tend to forget your spirit and succumb to the greater beast Shaitaan. This is the meaning of the expression "separate the spirit from the flesh".

A Jinn cannot be a Muslim because they lack any sort of spiritual ascension. What makes a Muslim is the faith, they have spiritual "awareness". Since a jinn is an incomplete soul the how can this person be a Muslim?

Jinns as supernatural beings is just a hoax. It is rather that when Quran speaks of Naas and Jinn then it speaks of either spiritual ones or faithless.

And if you argue about the one passage involving jinns who hear Quran being recited to them and find it to be good, then this is because a jinn does not have to be stupid even though being earthly in perception and a jinn could change themselves and grow into a spiritually ascended person.

Have faith and salam

FreedomStands

The animals are soulless, they are simply following a "programming", and you cannot turn them into Muslims, since Muslim is a spiritual affinity and even faith towards something. Animals are part of the flesh. Humans can be like animals of course and then they would be regarded as jinn. That is when they are limited in perception and see only this world and are very earthly by other words.

You as human who is a jinn is not much better than an animal. You have instincts and can behave like a sophisticated animal. It is this instinctive nature that is one of the lessons of becoming a spiritual person. You should not be proud over following your instincts if you think that. You are trapped in a beast body and giving in to its primitive nature is just what you are not supposed to do. Then you tend to forget your spirit and succumb to the greater beast Shaitaan. This is the meaning of the expression "separate the spirit from the flesh".

A Jinn cannot be a Muslim because they lack any sort of spiritual ascension. What makes a Muslim is the faith, they have spiritual "awareness". Since a jinn is an incomplete soul the how can this person be a Muslim?

Jinns as supernatural beings is just a hoax. It is rather that when Quran speaks of Naas and Jinn then it speaks of either spiritual ones or faithless.

And if you argue about the one passage involving jinns who hear Quran being recited to them and find it to be good, then this is because a jinn does not have to be stupid even though being earthly in perception and a jinn could change themselves and grow into a spiritually ascended person.

Have faith and salam

What does the word Soul mean to you? Do you think you have a soul while other things do not? What is a soul?

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And there is no moving creature in or on the earth, none that is a fowl flying with its two wings, but they are communities like yours. We neglected not anything in the Book. Again, they will be assembled to their Lord.

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And they who reject Our communications are deaf and dumb, in utter darkness; whom Allah pleases He causes to err and whom He pleases He puts on the right way.

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Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah?-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (Accepted Islam), and to Him shall they all be brought back.

(I meant they are Muslims by definition, those who surrender to Allah. Even the heaven and the earth are made those that surrender willingly according to the Qur'an).

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urely the (true) religion with Allah is Surrender, and those to whom the Book had been given did not show opposition but after knowledge had come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in the communications of Allah then surely Allah is quick in reckoning.

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Then turned He to the heaven when it was smoke, and said unto it and unto the earth Come both of you, willingly or unwillingly. They said We come, obedient.

2718
Till, when they reached the Valley of the Ants, an ant exclaimed O ants! Enter your dwellings lest Solomon and his armies crush you, unperceiving. (You think the ants have no souls?)

So what is Iblis? A human that was supposedly created from fire rather than mud who has lived so long and created before Adam?

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So We made Sulaiman to understand it; and to each one We gave wisdom and knowledge; and We made the mountains, and the birds to celebrate Our praise with Dawood; and We were the doers.

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But he(the hoepoe bird) was not long in coming, and he (the hoepoe bird) said I have found out (a thing) that thou apprehendest not, and I come unto thee from Sheba with sure tidings.

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And Solomon was David?s heir; and he would say ?O you people! We have been taught the speech of birds, and have been given of all things this, behold, is indeed a manifest favour !?

(The Birds speak, and the ants speak, are they without life or souls? Are they merely robots to you?)

Man_of_Faith

That is a misinterpretation of passages regarding those talking birds. Besides the traditional translation is poor in quality. I mean who will see an ant speak?

And what does that have to do with the jinn who says that he can bring down the rule of the queen before Solomon can rise up. That person is clearly a human in his court.

There is a user who is called noshirk here who has given a better translation.

There are some primates who can speak, but they are not self-aware. They merely follow instinct patterns. Jinns are not much better though.

Have faith

FreedomStands

That is a misinterpretation of passages regarding those talking birds. Besides the traditional translation is poor in quality. I mean who will see an ant speak?

And what does that have to do with the jinn who says that he can bring down the rule of the queen before Solomon can rise up. That person is clearly a human in his court.

There is a user who is called noshirk here who has given a better translation.

There are some primates who can speak, but they are not self-aware. They merely follow instinct patterns. Jinns are not much better though.

Have faith

Allah says in the Qur'an that kaffirs are worse than Cattle. The Birds being understood is mentioned as a miracle bestowed upon Solomon and his father David that was unique to them. Solomon was allowed to hear the ant, particularly a female ant, another miracle because Allah was showing that he knows that all the worker ants are females, something no one knew. For simply hearing the ant, Solomon reacts with intense happiness and joy, that he was made to hear an ant speak, another miracle of Allah. "Who will see an ant speak?" That is the whole point, it was a tremendous miracle which Solomon recognized, that Allah gave him such understanding.

The Jinn brought the Throne, the physical throne to Solomon. So when the Queen arrived, she saw it there physically and said "this throne here is just like mine!" and it was her actual throne which the jinn brought, the bird was the one who spied on her, the Qur'an said that Solomon had birds in his army because his father and him were given the understanding of the language of birds. The birds were taught the Zabur. Even to this day, you can see the birds in the trees congregate in their communities and worship Allah during the evening time after sunset, and in the early morning before the sunrise, and at other meeting points in the day perhaps. Such are the apparent miracles of Allah for those who are allowed to realize.

You seem to deny pretty much all miracles, and all of them are "mis-translations" which everyone from non-muslim linguists to anyone else can not understand apparently when it is laid forth very clearly.

Allah is the one who puts the denial in you of course, and Allah is the one who can make you a "fool" like me.

Such a "fool" (I know you haven't called me a "fool", I am just putting in quotes) as myself, who believes and showed that the Qur'an says

Man created from Mud.
Jinn created before man and not made from Mud but made from Fire.
Angels having wings, two, three, four (What has three wings! Fooey!) "Allah creates and adds to creation as Allah wills" and it says "adds to His creation as He wills" in the same verse even.

Jinn being Muslims and Disbelievers.
Jinn being able to "touch the heavens" due to their ability of flight.
Solomon having the winds helping him so that he could travel faster (another miracle given by Allah)
Solomon overhearing an Ant and making a big deal about hearing an Ant and praying that Allah "makes him" grateful, understanding that if Allah doesn't make us do something, it will never be done.
Solomon and David being given the understanding of the Language of Birds, listed among the miracles of Allah given to them.
Jinn, men, and birds, mentioned as three different components of the Host or Army of Solomon.
The floors of the palace of Solomon looking like water because they were made of glass.
Jinn bringing the real physical throne of the Queen before Solomon, the Queen seeing the throne and recognizing it as her throne, a miracle of Allah.

I showed you in my post, all kinds of evidence, that post is a few back now, I don't know if you ever even read it.

Your name seems ironic, considering the hesitance to accept these miracles and creations mentioned pretty explicitly and in different ways.

The Sky and the Earth are given dialogue in the Qur'an.

The person before they are born is given dialogue in the Qur'an.

The Thunder praises Allah, in other words Thunear also known as Thor (Thunder) praises Odin if you want to use Norse terminology. All things bow to the will of Allah willingly or unwillingly, and Allah is in control of everything and has power over all things.

The angels bring down the visible throne, the visible throne is a symbol, and likely to be a Qiblah or node, direction point just like the Cube in Arabia. Yes, it was built by men, yes, such was the will of Allah, no, we do not worship an idol, its just a selected point to turn towards.

Yes, at other times the "throne" can refer to dominion, authority, power, rulership, etc perhaps, and it doesn't matter if it does in this case either, knowing that Allah can make such a thing easily and easily visible, or can make it a metaphor, everything is easy for Allah, and no "system" overcomes Allah, Allah makes the "systems" and can change them, and can deceive anyone thereby.

Allah turned the staff into a visible, clear, manifest snake, and turned it back, to show that Allah can create anything in an instant, that information can be changed easily by Allah. Was that story also also a "mis-translation" and when it emphasizes how it was made clear and manifest and clearly apparent to everyone as a real snake, that Allah showed how he creates what we know as "true" and "false" and can change the "truth" freely, and so all "truth" is transitory, and only Allah is the Eternal Truth, and Allah is not made of any information, is like nothing at all (and everything is made of information and is information except Allah who is not made of information), but makes information.

So where it was "true" that there was a staff, Allah made it "true" that there was a snake and not a staff, and then Allah made it "true" that it was a staff again. Thus Allah proved and demonstrated how Allah is in control of all information instantly and easily, and so too can easily annihilate people (make them return to the state of Nothing, which is called returning to Allah who is like nothing), and bring them back, like how the staff was made non-existent, and then brought back.

runninglikezebras

Such a "fool" (I know you haven't called me a "fool", I am just putting in quotes) as myself, who believes and showed that the Qur'an says

Man created from Mud.
Jinn created before man and not made from Mud but made from Fire.
Angels having wings, two, three, four (What has three wings! Fooey!) "Allah creates and adds to creation as Allah wills" and it says "adds to His creation as He wills" in the same verse even.

Jinn being Muslims and Disbelievers.
Jinn being able to "touch the heavens" due to their ability of flight.
Solomon having the winds helping him so that he could travel faster (another miracle given by Allah)
Solomon overhearing an Ant and making a big deal about hearing an Ant and praying that Allah "makes him" grateful, understanding that if Allah doesn't make us do something, it will never be done.
Solomon and David being given the understanding of the Language of Birds, listed among the miracles of Allah given to them.
Jinn, men, and birds, mentioned as three different components of the Host or Army of Solomon.
The floors of the palace of Solomon looking like water because they were made of glass.
Jinn bringing the real physical throne of the Queen before Solomon, the Queen seeing the throne and recognizing it as her throne, a miracle of Allah.

Well pointed out evidence FreedomStands. Some people seem to be allergic to anything that refers to the 'hidden' jinn, hell, heaven. While these are truly established concepts in Quran. Sure, there are misconceptions about everyone of them but I don't see how you can follow Quran while denying the creation of Jinn outside men and deny the existence of a (meta)physical hell/heaven.

FreedomStands

Well pointed out evidence FreedomStands. Some people seem to be allergic to anything that refers to the 'hidden' jinn, hell, heaven. While these are truly established concepts in Quran. Sure, there are misconceptions about everyone of them but I don't see how you can follow Quran while denying the creation of Jinn outside men and deny the existence of a (meta)physical hell/heaven.

Thank you! I think people could really get lots out of reading my posts by clicking my name and checking out all my writing here so far.

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Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;

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O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His messenger and the Scripture which He hath revealed unto His messenger, and the Scripture which He revealed aforetime. Whoso disbelieveth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers and the Last Day, he verily hath wandered far astray.

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True piety does not consist in turning your faces towards the east or the west - but truly pious is he who believes in God, and the Last Day; and the angels, and revelation, and the prophets; and spends his substance - however much he himself may cherish - it - upon his near of kin, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and the beggars, and for the freeing of human beings from bondage; and is constant in prayer, and renders the purifying dues; and they who keep their promises whenever they promise, and are patient in misfortune and hardship and in time of peril it is they that have proved themselves true, and it is they, they who are conscious of God.

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The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers - We make no distinction between any of His messengers - and they say We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying.

runninglikezebras

Thank you! I think people could really get lots out of reading my posts by clicking my name and checking out all my writing here so far.

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Who believe in the Unseen, and establish worship, and spend of that We have bestowed upon them;

4136
O ye who believe! Believe in Allah and His messenger and the Scripture which He hath revealed unto His messenger, and the Scripture which He revealed aforetime. Whoso disbelieveth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers and the Last Day, he verily hath wandered far astray.

2177
True piety does not consist in turning your faces towards the east or the west - but truly pious is he who believes in God, and the Last Day; and the angels, and revelation, and the prophets; and spends his substance - however much he himself may cherish - it - upon his near of kin, and the orphans, and the needy, and the wayfarer, and the beggars, and for the freeing of human beings from bondage; and is constant in prayer, and renders the purifying dues; and they who keep their promises whenever they promise, and are patient in misfortune and hardship and in time of peril it is they that have proved themselves true, and it is they, they who are conscious of God.

2285
The messenger believeth in that which hath been revealed unto him from his Lord and (so do) believers. Each one believeth in Allah and His angels and His scriptures and His messengers - We make no distinction between any of His messengers - and they say We hear, and we obey. (Grant us) Thy forgiveness, our Lord. Unto Thee is the journeying.

I understand the feeling of being ignored on this forum. But self-promotion doesn't help. Bombard them with quranic evidence I say! p

FreedomStands

I understand the feeling of being ignored on this forum. But self-promotion doesn't help. Bombard them with quranic evidence I say! p

You're doing well! Except that we would perhaps derive the most benefit from our actions here by focusing on using all kinds of opportunities to say beautiful things regarding the nature of Allah, which has been my style for many posts, because regardless if they listen or not, it is what we say that matters.

runninglikezebras

You're doing well! Except that we would perhaps derive the most benefit from our actions here by focusing on using all kinds of opportunities to say beautiful things regarding the nature of Allah, which has been my style for many posts, because regardless if they listen or not, it is what we say that matters.

I don't share your activism. I'm not here to enlighten anyone. Only God guides who He wills. I'm only here for intellectual debate so I can improve my understanding of Quran. Contributions from others are most welcome even if they are criticism. It helps me test an understanding which can always be wrong. The worst thing however is no reaction at all, which makes posting anything here not really worthwile.

Man_of_Faith

But it does not help if you bombard them with poor interpretations of the original Arabic. It does not turn anything right.
The sectarian interpretation that has been exclusive for over thousand years advocates a Pagan religion. Do you wish to proceed with it it is fine, but refrain from backbiting please.

I mean, how does an abstract entity (God) have a physical throne? That is one in a sea of poor translations and hence interpretations.

And of course God/Allah is a righteous entity , so how come Allah appears unrighteous in the mainstream Quran? Samira1234 highlighted this point. Why would Allah have a huge ego? All I say it is because that Allah is created by people with the equal size of ego.

And I got no reply concerning the jinn in Solomon's court who suggested he could help take over the dominion of the Queen (allegedly of Sheba) and this person was clearly visible and of average intellect as can be expected by a person without spiritual insight/ascension. It was no supernatural being but a standard non-elevated human who could not think outside of the box while the man blessed with knowledge could devise something outside the box and hence suggest something which would be over "before the blink of an eye" and that was through verbal skill, i.e. diplomacy. The jinn could only suggest violence as a means of stopping unrighteous behavior that the queen's people were indulging in.

And an ant cannot speak verbally because it lacks the prerequisites. Tell me how the ant can talk? It also lacks a brain capable of doing anything but which it is assigned to do by nature. Not even a bird can produce speech in any logical way and even if it can it can only parrot them. They cannot think independently.

You take the works of fabricating scholars and shower me with that and claim things from right to left, and even say I humorously call myself man of faith (Freedomstands).

Have faith

runninglikezebras

I agree some of FreedomStands interpretations were hadith-contaminated.

runninglikezebras

And I got no reply concerning the jinn in Solomon's court who suggested he could help take over the dominion of the Queen (allegedly of Sheba) and this person was clearly visible and of average intellect as can be expected by a person without spiritual insight/ascension. It was no supernatural being but a standard non-elevated human who could not think outside of the box while the man blessed with knowledge could devise something outside the box and hence suggest something which would be over "before the blink of an eye" and that was through verbal skill, i.e. diplomacy. The jinn could only suggest violence as a means of stopping unrighteous behavior that the queen's people were indulging in.

Unfortunately you are also using hadith sources identifying the Queen as sheba.

"And before Solomon were marshalled his hosts,- of jinn and men and birds, and they were all kept in order and ranks." (Quran 2717)

Hosts translation of junduhu which does not mean troops or military force unless you believe in hadith. To prophet Lut God sent malaika, why would it be so incredible for Solomon to have had guests of Jinn nature at his court?

Sonny

Oh God. Jinn as a supernatural being is just plain superstition. Jinn is a life perception, notably being faithless and not a type of creation.

Prove it.

FreedomStands

I don't share your activism. I'm not here to enlighten anyone. Only God guides who He wills. I'm only here for intellectual debate so I can improve my understanding of Quran. Contributions from others are most welcome even if they are criticism. It helps me test an understanding which can always be wrong. The worst thing however is no reaction at all, which makes posting anything here not really worthwile.

What you say, should be counted towards you, and you'll be better served not to depend on necessary reactions, but I wrote similarly on the topic here in this email

Haha, yes of course you're right. I tell them to read my posts so that they might go to the page that has them all, so that I don't have to keep repeating to them and can just relax and tell them to go check it out there and tell me what they think.

For me, it isn't really important if they listen or not as I explain here

"You're doing well! Except that we would perhaps derive the most benefit from our actions here by focusing on using all kinds of opportunities to say beautiful things regarding the nature of Allah, which has been my style for many posts, because regardless if they listen or not, it is what we say that matters."

and on Youtube, there was a discussion I briefly got involved in which explained

Neo said to Sofia
I would suggest you stop wasting your time trying to debate anyone here. People are going to stick to their traditions and to what they were taught at home. So few are challenged by real arguements about god cause to them, god is about faith and not logic. I know from personal experience how infuriating that can be but this is how the world is unfortunately.

Sofia said to Neo
It is just sad to see the kinds of excuses people will make up in order to defend this nonsense. It is really a shining example of what childhood indoctrination can do to people.

Neo then said
If i were to respond to this effing child story, i would be writing for hours. Ignorance is bliss, ignorant.

Then I said (my name there is A Foxy Fox)
I think it was very kind of you to be concerned about any experience of anxiety and frustration coming to people, and I know you weren't talking to me in particular, but in my case I type about these things because I get to learn ways of communicating with people and saying good things which other people might see too, while enjoying what I type as well, and learning what people say and how to respond to those specific things even if they don't listen there is something potentially being gained here about communication, and finally perhaps some small seed is laid in the minds of people that might lead them to a better understanding of things, so I think what Sofia has done throughout this thread has been worthwhile and not merely frustrating for her hopefully, since she has made some beautiful logical arguments which have hopefully made people wonder a little.

Then Neo said to me
Maybe you are right. But through platforms such as the Internet where anonimity prevails, it truly is remarkably rare for people to swallow down their pride, shut down their defences and listen to what they have been taught to not listen but counter with their own arguements. Internet conversations are deaffend to the hope of wisdom and knowledge. There is no right or wrong, no winners and no losers. Only people who simply stop replying. All of this comes from my experience. I have not done a poll to draw any of these conclusions nor am i currently under any negative emotions that affect my reply. I simply believe too many people lack a self of humanity when debating beliefs online. And i do not think this will ever change as long as anonimity prevails.

Then in between I replied to someone else who talked about their religion which appeared to be Islam, and I said
Your religion is Islam! Excellent! Though I will make one correction here, which is that it really isn't "up there" anywhere, the Qur'an says (as you said) that this life is transitory and illusory because it isn't lasting, but that the Earth will be destroyed, and a New Earth will be created that is more spacious than the sky and the Earth combined, and the people will be resurrected/recreated and will be Judged and sorted into the paradise which is inheriting the New Earth or the place of punishment, which is also part of the New Earth.

Allah is like nothing, literally, not made of any information but that which creates all information. Everything is information, down to our thoughts, our deeds, our technologies, our experiences, the events, everything, and Allah can easily create and destroy and transform and animate all information, even down to changing the memories of people and their "past" or make them think a certain thing or make them practice a certain thing, and in a moment can make the information different and make the person realize the change or make the person oblivious to the change, Allah has power over all information, over all things absolutely, and is unlike anything because Allah is not made of information at all and was "before" information or "beyond" it in a sense, even though Allah is behind everything, Allah is not empty space, or pure blackness, or pure whiteness, or dimensions, or space, or size, or limitations or laws of any kind, because all those things are made of information. Allah is what everything depends on every moment in order to exist, animating everything, creating all events and happenings and motion and comprehension. Non-information is skipped because all we can experience is information and information that is constantly changing (if you could only see blackness, information would still be changing since you would be thinking and that is how you would comprehend and continue to comprehend and have a sense of "time" but if your thoughts were frozen and no new information was coming or able to move the whole "period" would be skipped entirely, just like death is skipped because it is "non-information" so we can't experience the "time" involved, and similarly, death and unconsciousness like in sleep are both called "returning to Allah" because they are skipped experiences of non-information and non-individuation (we are only individuated by information, and our specific set of information is what "we are" and includes everything we see and experience which is specific to us).

I thought you might enjoy hearing some of these things, and I hope you don't mind anything that I have said, thank you for your nice post.

Oh, I will say also, that not everything has to be "good", Allah does whatever Allah wants to do, and has no law binding, but is free entirely, the only true Free Will, that does whatever, but it is so intertwined with our existence that we are ignorantly made to think our desires and our will is merely our own when it is actually Allah doing everything, leading some to harm and some to benefit. Allah can and does freely harm people, and can do it for any number of reasons or no reason at all because Allah alone has the power, we can not do anything but surrender, because Allah can not be stopped or defeated (otherwise we should have fought and defeated Allah, but reality itself depends on Allah and Allah can not be harmed and is controlling even us) so this is the religion of Islam, the Surrender, willingly or unwillingly, Allah is the one we are entirely surrendered to.

Then I said to Neo
I believe you are absolutely correct in what you say, and that it will remain this way as long as the conditions remain the same, but I think that the focus should be different. If one is coming or going anywhere in the hope of "winning" against people, they will certainly "lose" many things in the process, such as their time, and perhaps even their calm, but that is why I think it is better if one does not come or go to places to "win" against people, but instead to focus on themselves, their conduct, their beautiful speech, so that even if those they are communicating to can not see it, one has practiced something which is pleasurable, like a bird singing a song, and then there may be those who come along and notice it as well, but they should not be the point either, just that we are focused on our actions rather than the results, so that we are practicing beautiful speech and actions and not on if our "opponent" at the time has listened or not, the opponents are just the catalyst for taking beautiful actions and practicing something potentially pleasurable, also leaving something of a mark behind, creating something like a sculpture of words that another may also learn from or be influenced to possibly imitate. So when the focus becomes like that, these actions do not become so dreadful seeming, nor may we feel our time is wasted or that all this was in vain. It is an exercise, a practice, and a honing of our communicative abilities, we train in typing, we train in speech patterns, and we can use this experience to gain good for ourselves by our own practice. What you said is absolutely true though, if one is not gaining from this, if one is not enjoying this, they should absolutely flee.

Then Neo said to me
Your choice of words is very carefully picked and i respect that. It is evident that practising your speech skills is not something you have taken lightly throughout your life. I really enjoyed comming to a conclusion with you and wish you all the strength required to remain on the road in search of grace, hope and beauty in even the smalles of things

Then I said to Neo
Thank you so much, and I liked what you wrote and particularly the compassion that drove you to make your comments in the first place, it really comes from a good place. If you would like any further correspondence you can email me at foxyfoxgames at gmail dot com

Then I shared it with you! So that anything you might derive from it anything of interest or what you might find good!

So yes, I agree with what you are saying, but my intention when I offer that people read all my posts, isn't really expecting them to read them, but only to be used against them, that they really turned away even when invited or directed. So I do it in order that they either reject or accept my offer, and what they do will be counted towards them only. So my intentions with them aren't that I really deeply desire that they read it, or that I feel I am being ignored, but like I explained to the guy, I am like a bird singing a song, and enjoying praising Allah (but I am certainly pleased that you at least read my words and Allah has made me aware that they are being read, but even if no one were to see them, I saw them, and my "receivers on the right and the left" my own ears and eyes, have seen it and witnessed it, and all this is "proving" or "making manifest" who is good and who might not be, who speaks the best, and who does not make a fair estimation of Allah.

So to explain again, I wanted to extend my gratefulness for all your reading of my writing, and though I see them disbelieve and act suspiciously towards me I am not disheartened but instead excited to see that even among such people on a Muslim forum they can reject or say things that are wrong, and I am reminded of Allah's great favor on me for allowing me to think and say these things I do, and reminded that Allah has not made others to say these things, and afraid about how Allah could make me ignorant in an instant or set me astray or even now me be sending me astray without my being able to do anything about it.

I say to people "Here is the Qur'an" or I say to people "Please if you would be so kind as to click my name and check out my writings so far and tell me what you think" not with the intention that they will by such an invitation actually do it, but with the intention of proving that they are not able to do it or wont do it, or if they will do it, so basically like I'm inviting them to take action and show what they are, so that if they ignore it that will be counted against them potentially, and if they read it and hate it and let me know, that too can be a result, but mainly I expect that they will ignore my offer, which is kind of the point, to show that they are those who turn away even from a nice offer and aren't allowed (I understand it makes it seem suspicious, but I'm definitely not here to convince anyone because I know I can't, I'm here as a kind of "litmus test" http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Litmus_test_(politics) )

I don't think I'd ever put so much energy into this if it were a matter of trying to convince people of anything or make them read my words, I am doing it so that I say good things, and they can be used as a reason or a reference point to refine my own sayings or point out things. For example, Allah has used them to show me how they take "Justice" as more important than Allah or "19" as more important than Allah, and because of the foolish things they say, I end up saying beautiful things in reply, so I'm very happy with the process and the results coming from me and it is bad for them and good for me. Allah thereby "proves" people against and with each other, by "proving" what they are.

My mother too would have an initial reaction of saying "don't worry, don't have to bother with such people" but I explain that by such activities I am saying beautiful things, making beautiful speeches I wouldn't want to miss out on, and even refining and learning from dealing with different opposing ideas. Meanwhile, they are being proven as what they are and all that will be brought up on the Judgment Day.

What we're witnessing are miracles right before our eyes, the things the Qur'an says, of how people will act, who are the believers, who are not the believers, its a beautiful performance and show!

So my invitation to them, is (forgive my phrasing) an invitation to hell in some ways. I do it purposefully in order that they either accept or reject the offer, and I do it courteously especially so that they have no excuses on the matter. So I say, "please, if you could be so kind to read what I have written" not with an expectation that such a request will certainly work, but so that they prove that they are defiant even to polite requests and are not allowed to see, and that if they do read it, that they are perhaps not allowed to understand, so it is like an invitation to prove what they are.

So I agree totally that I may seem suspicious or bad, and that people may be reading what I write or not reading what I write (I don't really place much importance if they actually read anything I write or not, I am just grateful that you particularly are reading what I write for now and have shown me and are appreciated which is a comforting and kind thing and makes me very happy too which I take as a gift from Allah and a comfort from Allah), but it isn't important at all if they read what I write or not, I think what is happening is that the things I say are for me a beautiful speech that refines me, and for them a thing which proves what they are made of, what they are, if they surrender or not, allowed to see or not, and none of it is really my affair whether they believe or don't believe, read or don't read, but that Allah made it available for them, and proved thereby who is allowed and who is not allowed, it is a total miracle!

I hope that I am able to explain what I am meaning, I am saying that this whole event is my inviting them to the fire, and I say that humorously, the way I might joke with my family (so please forgive my humorous attitude which is something natural to me). I seem to be there to be like "here look at this!" and open the book and the light shines on their face and they flee headlong, blinded lol I like to imagine it as a funny thing like that, meanwhile, that the same good words shine on you and I and we enjoy it so much!

So be heartened, that I am not disheartened! I am very pleased with how I am writing and what I am writing, and inviting them to trouble and good, and so glad you like what I write, and glad even for those who don't believe it, because they refine me, and Allah proves what we are, what we are made to be, by these events!

FreedomStands

Thank you FreedomStands for your reply.

I do not agree that the jinn is a faithless person as the Quran clearly debunks that idea, I also try
not to inject what is not there, such as plasma. I only pointed out that your translation of 6/38
has inherent problems. Hope I do not sound harsh.

God bless you

peace

I didn't just inject "plasma" out of nowhere though. When it says "smokeless fire" and "fire intensely hot" that can be known as "plasma" today.

"The flame is the visible portion of the fire. If hot enough, the gases may become ionized to produce plasma." according to Wikipedia.

So when I was saying they are made of plasma, all I meant is "fire intensely hot" like the Qur'an mentions.

In any case though, I've directly dealt with stuff and have photographs and video and whatever, and they appear most often like an amorphous gas or mist and can become agitated and become like an irritated little flustered cloud.

If they come closed or rub on a person the hairs stand up like static electricity, and looking into them or through them there appears to be little particles bouncing around almost like static or rain, which I call "static rain".

They themselves are not apparently intensely hot except if they collide and disperse it can give a "cold sting" like something intensely hot for a moment but feels like cold how intense heat does.

They are mentioned throughout the world and history, in Rome they were said to be made of "aer" the "lower gasses" because that is how they appear (whatever it is I'm talking about).

We know that normal fires have smoke because they are burning something up, so already the Qur'an is indicating something else which they didn't have a word for when "smokeless fire" and "fire intensely hot" is being mentioned and "flame of fire", it seems pretty clearly a reference to the "smokeless fire" or "flame" which is known as "plasma" today and is one of the materials that was pretty early in the Universe, though they aren't pure plasma or flame or anything either it seems, just as we're not pure mud.

I just saw some guest was viewing this topic that is why I came back here.

"Plasma is the most abundant form of ordinary matter in the Universe, most of which is in the rarefied intergalactic regions, particularly the intracluster medium, and in stars, including the Sun."

It is just a shorter word for "smokeless flame of fire intensely hot", in the way I'm using it.

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