Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Dear sister farida. salam
Yes! because the country is plagued with 180 million (minus a few) sunni sectarians, siki
Roman Salute Siki,
yuck Your style is not much different from the white supremacists or illuminates who are eager to cleanse the world of ?the plague?.
I guess you are too consumed with hatred to be reminded of the language when referring toBut how come you ignored when I told you all the roots...
Just- like- YOU
from sh ha ra, in urdu, like shoharat, Mashhoor, ishtihar etc, all originating and meaning "advertisement" , "something obvious" , " kind of some thing which makes its presence known even if you are not interested in it"?
hmm In that case could you provide me with your source beside wiki to confirm that the Hellenic calendars, the Hebrew Lunisolar calendar and the Islamic Lunar calendar did not consider the first appearance of the thin crescent of the new moon as shoharat, Mashhoor, ishtihar, for a new month
I am shocked to see that you prefer to understand divine message through a man made book,
And be even more shocked o that I refuse to count ?AAiddata alshshuhoori? with a manmade sundial or a gnomon or any tall vertical object. nope
If you have to stick with ?passed on" practices, which in all likelihood have been morphed/ corrupted,
) Let me share with you which ?passed on? practice I follow Every day at dawn I read Qur?an for the signs and this morning I witnessed today?s lesson in Surah 33
66 On the Day when their faces will be turned over in the Fire, they will say "Oh, we wish we had obeyed God, and obeyed the messenger
67- And they will say "Our Lord, we have obeyed our leaders and our learned ones, but they misled us from the path."
68- Our Lord, give them double the retribution, and curse them with a mighty curse
69-O you who believe, do not be like those who harmed Moses, but then God cleared him of all they said, and he was honorable before God.
70-O you who believe, be aware of God and speak only the truth
71- He will then direct your works, and forgive your sins. And whosoever obeys God and His messenger has triumphed a great triumph
72 -We have offered the trust to the heavens and the Earth, and the mountains, but they refused to bear it, and were fearful of it. But the human being accepted it; he was transgressing, ignorant
73- So that God may punish the hypocrite men and the hypocrite women, and the men who set up partners and the women who set up partners. And God redeems the believing men and the believing women. And God is Forgiver, MercifulScope of this forum is to re-study and purify the understanding of divine message, disregarding all existing baggage, purely on logic and evidence.
You may take this forum to be your leader for restudying, re-doing and disregarding the system established by the honourable messengers, but I, purely on logic and evidence see this forum very differently from you.
," You have not understood the spirit behind this forum, and in my opinion
Sir you are an old established original member of Ayman club so you obviously have better insight of the spirit behind this forum.
your time spent here probably has been thoroughly wasted.
Or maybe, my time here is thoroughly wasting your efforts
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105 He is the One who made the sun an illuminator, and the moon a light, and He measured its phases so that you would know the number of the years and the calculation. God has not created this except for truth. He details the signs for a people who know.
Not sure if the verse says the sun has stages, but that could just mean for calculating the day. Tell me, ayman, is the thing about phases for the moon or the sun?
Salaam Progressive,
Do you really expect Ayman's club members to pay attention to anything which would negate their theory nope
618 Their intention is to extinguish Allah's Light with their mouths But Allah will complete His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).
peace
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Peace everyone,
Br. Sharp, before leaving, one final comment. Ayman's theory pinpoints the time of laylat al-qadr but your theory leaves one guessing as to which night of the lunar cycle is laylat al-qadr. The great reading has all the details concerning our guidance, remember? So one more point for Ayman's theory. So final score 3-0 with four draws in favor of Ayman theory.
Peace
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Peace Ayman,
Peace Rex/Nun/Pseudo/Eid/whatever future reincarnation,
Who cares about nom de plumes or pseudonyms and purposely change my email and password to something unrecoverable to focus on work. Although the nonsense being posted keeps me coming back to respond, first it was the nineteen ignorant and now this absurdity. Don't worry almost done here.
How after you had witnessed a month you then go back in time and fast it?
This has been answered many times on this thread.
Topic is about hot moon and proves you don?t have an answer so you keep responding with questions.
AGAIN, HOW DO YOU FAST A FULL MOON?
Also read what I was answering, the 95% full moon therefore 5 to 6 day window.
http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/moon/calendar/index.phpIt is the one after the solstice that is the scorching full-moon.
No it is not. All full-moons are ordinary once they rise up enough in the sky. Please post the elevation of this full-moon where you live and compare it to the elevation of the next full-moon over the same time interval. You will see that it rises slower and to a lower altitude than the other full-moons.
First you were on the full moon illusion. Then it was proven to you it is not applicable.
Tell your cult that the FULL MOON ILLUSION has ZERO to do with it.Also was it slower, lower, bigger, or redder than last year?s full moon before the solstice?
http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16jun_moonillusion.htmWhy according to your arbitrary manmade nonsensical calendar you can kill an animal at anytime in blatant violation of the god's command? You have basically abrogated the restriction on hunting and proposed some nonsense about the words in 51-2 only applying during "hajj" and not at any other time.
Correct it is a local restriction during Hajj.
Topic is about hot moon and proves you don?t have an answer so you keep asking questions.
Again, why forbidden on June 22 one year and OK to kill the animal until July 20 in a different year?
Same when she is counting menstruation events. This has been answered many times. Next time try to reincarnate into someone who can read properly and patiently.
No it has not.
Again, why a widow whose husband died one day after full-moon waits 29 days longer than whose husband died two days earlier?This is talking about the period between consecutive full-moons.
You are making up your own sorry scripture. This is not what 2185 says. This is what you fantacise that it says.
The only fantasy in this thread is hot moon nonsense.
If happened today, the clock starts immediately not the next full moon.
583-4
And those who declare their wives as forbidden for them as their mothers
so freeing a neck from before that they touch each other
And he who finds not must fast two successive months before they both touch each other
And he who is unable to do so should feed sixty poorOf course, we know you?ll skip over this as well and continue to post questions not provide answers.
This was the point of initial diversion. So the only thing that we can deduce is that the prior correct marker of the start of the year was the summer solstice. This will probably go over your head.
Right, the hot moon fantasy is all in your head. When was this solstice again, during Dhu al-Hijjah?
New Moon Date
1/17/622 7. Rajab
16-Feb 8. Sha'aban
18-Mar 9. Ramadan
16-Apr 10. Shawwal
16-May 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
14-Jun 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
14-Jul 1. Muharram
12-Aug 2. Safar Sept 9 (26 Safar) Hijra
11-Sep 3. Rabi' al-awwal
10-Oct 4. Rabi' al-thani
8-Nov 5. Jumada al-awwal
8-Dec 6. Jumada al-thaniWe are still waiting on Eid to provide the picture that you were boasting that you will take of the NEW MOON crescent.
Was traveling, perhaps at Eid or any other "D" at the beginning of a new month.
People take pictures of the new moon crescent all the time.http//images.google.com/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=new%20moon%20crescent&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
You still don't understand the difference between "inzal" (decending by the spirit which happened in one night) and "tanzil" (bringing it down to the heart of the prophet which happened over a long time). "Inzal" is one night and not 29-30 days. "Tanzil" is over a long period and not specifically 29-30 days. So your 29-30 days month is completely irrelevant as far as this issue.
How many times already. Quran started in a night, in the month of Ramadan. The rest came later in stages could be years.
2532-33 And those who disbelieve say "Why is not the Qur'?n revealed to him all at once?" Thus, that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it to you gradually, in stages. And no example or similitude do they bring, but We reveal to you the truth, and the better explanation thereof.
80 He frowned and turned away that the blind came to him?
Again, do the blind fast?
Again, do those in cloudy weather fast?We know, you?ll avoid answering come back with more questions.
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Peace all,
Here is my latest understanding for 105
It is He Who appointed the sun to give radiance, and the moon to give light, assigning it in phases so you would know the number of years and the Calculation. Allah did not create these things except with truth. We make the Signs clear for people who know.For me, God Appointed TWO things for TWO purposes. The sun to know the number of years AND the moon to know how to calculate. TWO things for TWO purposes.
example in the restaurant, the waiter gives you a knife AND a fork , to be able to cut AND pick the meat.
So in my point of view, the sun is for knowing the number of years (the year is solar) and the moon for calculating (waiting periods, fasting, interim,etc...)
I hope this is clear , and in accordance with other verses that you already know as well.
salam
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105 clearly says God measured the phases of the moon so that you might know the number of years and the calculation; while the sun is only mentioned as a shinning brightness and the moon was made to reflect it. 2185,2189, and 105 leave no doubt that the year is lunar.
From 105, it can be seen that the learning of the number of years and calculation are helped by the moon.
jedi
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Peace Ayman,
Who cares about nom de plumes or pseudonyms and purposely change my email and password to something unrecoverable to focus on work. Although the nonsense being posted keeps me coming back to respond, first it was the nineteen ignorant and now this absurdity. Don't worry almost done here.
Salaam Brother
It would be a shame if you stopped posting here as your contribution is greatly appreciated at least by me.
You have never dual posted right? Whenever you came with a new ID you made it very obvious that it?s from you. Ayman is making fuss about it since I mentioned you in my reply below #1070Salaam
Your questions are answered in detail in this link http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg213934#msg213934
Since we are suppose to do our own research and not follow others blindly I would suggest you study all posts by EId , Pseudo, Nun and Rex in response to Ayman?s claim.
peaceBest regards
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Going back to the topic
Peace Ayman,
Who cares about nom de plumes or pseudonyms and purposely change my email and password to something unrecoverable to focus on work. Although the nonsense being posted keeps me coming back to respond, first it was the nineteen ignorant and now this absurdity. Don't worry almost done here.
Topic is about hot moon and proves you don?t have an answer so you keep responding with questions.
AGAIN, HOW DO YOU FAST A FULL MOON?
Also read what I was answering, the 95% full moon therefore 5 to 6 day window.
http//www.almanac.com/astronomy/moon/calendar/index.phpFirst you were on the full moon illusion. Then it was proven to you it is not applicable.
Tell your cult that the FULL MOON ILLUSION has ZERO to do with it.Also was it slower, lower, bigger, or redder than last year?s full moon before the solstice?
http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16jun_moonillusion.htmCorrect it is a local restriction during Hajj.
Topic is about hot moon and proves you don?t have an answer so you keep asking questions.
Again, why forbidden on June 22 one year and OK to kill the animal until July 20 in a different year?
No it has not.
Again, why a widow whose husband died one day after full-moon waits 29 days longer than whose husband died two days earlier?The only fantasy in this thread is hot moon nonsense.
If happened today, the clock starts immediately not the next full moon.
583-4
And those who declare their wives as forbidden for them as their mothers
so freeing a neck from before that they touch each other
And he who finds not must fast two successive months before they both touch each other
And he who is unable to do so should feed sixty poorOf course, we know you?ll skip over this as well and continue to post questions not provide answers.
Right, the hot moon fantasy is all in your head. When was this solstice again, during Dhu al-Hijjah?
New Moon Date
1/17/622 7. Rajab
16-Feb 8. Sha'aban
18-Mar 9. Ramadan
16-Apr 10. Shawwal
16-May 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
14-Jun 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
14-Jul 1. Muharram
12-Aug 2. Safar Sept 9 (26 Safar) Hijra
11-Sep 3. Rabi' al-awwal
10-Oct 4. Rabi' al-thani
8-Nov 5. Jumada al-awwal
8-Dec 6. Jumada al-thaniWas traveling, perhaps at Eid or any other "D" at the beginning of a new month.
People take pictures of the new moon crescent all the time.http//images.google.com/images?hl=en&resnum=0&q=new%20moon%20crescent&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wi
How many times already. Quran started in a night, in the month of Ramadan. The rest came later in stages could be years.
2532-33 And those who disbelieve say "Why is not the Qur'?n revealed to him all at once?" Thus, that We may strengthen your heart thereby. And We have revealed it to you gradually, in stages. And no example or similitude do they bring, but We reveal to you the truth, and the better explanation thereof.
80 He frowned and turned away that the blind came to him?
Again, do the blind fast?
Again, do those in cloudy weather fast?We know, you?ll avoid answering come back with more questions.
bravo bravo bravo
Also, another question for ayman
How can the Quran have been sent down IN a moon?
Just to recap, it actually says "in".. too bad, eh?2185 The month of Ramadan, is the month in which the Quran was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion...
2185 Shahru ramadana allatheeonzila feehi alqur-anu hudan lilnnasiwabayyinatin mina alhuda waalfurqan
And how about fasting in a moon... is that part of your wishful thinking as well?
Therefore, those of you who witness (shahida) the month (al shahr) shall fast therein (minkum).
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Peace AW,
Ramadan depends on the sighting of the moon and not a myriad of other factors other than thin sighting.
It does depend on when year 0 month 1 was made to start. It also depends on the order of the months. For example, had the first month been in the new calendar been the prior new moon crescent then your so-called Ramadhan would be one month earlier. Also, had the arbitrary order of the months been such that Ramadhan is the 10th month then you would be fasting one month later. This is indisputable truth.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Sharp001,
Like I said to TS, I may have started off on the wrong foot. My line of thinking appears to be based on the fact that the "year" starts on the day after the "Shahar Ramadan" and ends on the night of the next "Shahar Ramadan", but your thinking is that a Solar Year (which is the period between one Summer/Winter Solistice to the next Summer/Winter Solistice) would contain either 12 or 13 Full Moons. Am I correct in this assumption?
Yes.
Hmm... I see where you're coming from, and it seems logical. But come to think of it, the current practice is the same in theory, even though the marker and the time of year may be wrong. Around the world, as soon as the New Moon is sighted/witnessed, the month and the fasting begins the next day. Again, I'm not justifying or validating the practice, just making an observation.
The current practice has nothing to do with what 2185 is saying. If one understands that "shahr" means "month" then according to 2185 one should first witness the month (past tense) and then go back in time and abstain. It is therefore a physical impossibility for "shahr" to mean "month".
I totally overlooked that verse. Your claim of redunduncy has merit.
Yes.
I agree that Mestruations are events. I think I may have misunderstood the verses as I took the Period to mean the Menstrual Cycle, whereas I think it indicates the Menstruation Phase of the cycle. Please correct me, if I'm mistaken.
You are now correct.
I think you and TS may have misunderstood what I meant. I'll try to illustrate it.
If I tell you today that I was born in March, and tomorrow I tell you that on the night I was born there was a Full Moon, (A) Would you take the first statement to mean that I was born through-out the month? (B) Would the statements be contradictory to each other?Birth is not a good example because it is known that birth happens in an instant at a specific time. A better example would be something that can span a long time like if you were "taveling". If you say that you were traveling in March and you were traveling on the night of the full-moon, then your statement becomes at best ambiguous since now it is not clear whether you traveled the entire month or just the night of the full-moon and at worst outright contraditory. On the other hand, the god's words are very precise.
So basically what I was trying to say is if] the time frame of "Ramadan" started from witnessing of the "Scorching Full Moon" and ended at the witnessing of the next "Full Moon", and the Book was sent down on the night of the 'Scorching Full Moon", which falls into that time frame, then the verse mentioning that the Book being sent down in the "month" of Ramadan doesn't automatically imply that it was sent down throughout the "month".
This is talking about the period between consecutive full-moons.But then you will be violating 936 because in most years you will only have 11 integer lunar cycles. If you start counting fractions of cycles, then you will get 12.3 cycles per year, again violating 936.
Sorry about being off-topic, but I have a question about this verse. The period between two full-moons would/can be 29-30 days, but the feeding is to 60 poorest. It seems kind of odd and non-symmetrical (for lack of a better word). 30 days or 60 feedings? I expected, 30 days and 30 feeding, or 60 days and 60 feedings, for equality, I guess.
Please see 589 where feeding 10 poorest is equivalent to abstaining for 3 days.
So here we have 1 day of abstinence = 3.33 poorest!
Hence, feeding the poorest and days of abstinence are certainly not 11 and their ratio depends on what it is we are compensating for.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Progressive1993,
105 He is the One who made the sun an illuminator, and the moon a light, and He measured its phases so that you would know the number of the years and the calculation. God has not created this except for truth. He details the signs for a people who know.
Not sure if the verse says the sun has stages, but that could just mean for calculating the day. Tell me, ayman, is the thing about phases for the moon or the sun?Please read the original Arabic. Knowing the number of years and the calculation is the result of BOTH the sun and the moon (the whole underlined clause) and not just the second part. The fact that the sun is used is confirmed by 1712, which you completely ignore as if it didn't exist.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Truthseeker,
This theory will pass the 936 test with flying colors !! One always counts 12 lunar cycles from one shahr ramadhan to start of the next. Once every 3 years there will be thirteen shahrs (lunar cycles) from the start of the first cycle (shahr ramadhan) until the end of the last shahr before shahr ramadhan but the thirteenth shahr is then skipped. INGENIOUS theory but it has some problems as I will discuss later.
No it won't pass the test. As soon as you start to count integer cycles then most years you will only get 11 cycles. If you start counting fractions then you will get 12.3 between solstices, again violating 936. The only way 936 is not violated is if "shahr" meant full-moon because you can then count exactly 12 every single year (whether the year has 12 or 13). You see one can count 12 out of 12 or 13 but not out of 11.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace to all the forum
I once read somewhere that the word "day" is in the Qur'an 365 times and the word "month" is in there 12 times (claimed proof of a solar calendar). Has anyone ever checked? I'm guessing you have to look for the words in arabic, cos I just tried checking in English and month came up 20 times but it included month, months and monthly and month's...
just wonderin
Peace )
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Peace Progressive1993, everyone,
Also, another question for ayman
How can the Quran have been sent down IN a moon?
Just to recap, it actually says "in".. too bad, eh?
2185 The month of Ramadan, is the month in which the Quran was sent down as a guide to the people and a clarification of the guidance and the criterion...
2185 Shahru ramadana allatheeonzila feehi alqur-anu hudan lilnnasiwabayyinatin mina alhuda waalfurqanIt is the same as when someone tells you I am sitting in the scorching full moon or in a bright sun or in a cloudy afternoon. This is perfectly normal in regular speech. It doesn't mean that they traveled to the sun and are sitting on its surface!
And how about fasting in a moon... is that part of your wishful thinking as well?
Therefore, those of you who witness (shahida) the month (al shahr) shall fast therein (minkum).
(correct me if there is a mistake in the above verse)Please read the original Arabic of 2185. There is no "therein" (Arabic "fihi". There is the Arabic third person masculine pronoun "hu" which consistently with the preceding "hu" refers back to "the abstinence"
- O you who believe, the abstinence has been decreed for you like it was decreed for those before you, perhaps you may be righteous.
- A few days and if any of you is ill or traveling, then a count of different days; and as for those who tolerate it (with difficulty), they may redeem by feeding the needy. And whoever does good voluntarily, then it is better for him. And if you abstain it is better for you if you knew.
- A scorching full-moon, is when the great reading was descended; as a guide to the people and a clarification from the guidance and the criterion. Therefore, whoever from you witnessed the full-moon, then he shall abstain it. And whoever is ill or traveling, then a count of different days. The god wants to bring you ease and not to bring you hardship; and complete the count, and glorify the god for what he has guided you, that you may be thankful.
It is normal in the Arabic of the great reading that pronouns can refer to something which was mentioned in a prior verse. For example, (and Rex/Pseudo/Eid/Nun/whatever knows this very well), the pronoun "hiya" at the end of 7431 refers to "saqar" all the way back in 7426.
On the other hand, taking "shahr" to mean "month" creates an insurmountable logical absurdity and physical impossibility since "witnessed" is in the perfect past tense. In other words, you would have to witness the month first and then go back in time and fast it. This false understanding of "shahr" as "month" of course reduces the passage to complete nonsense and hence even the staunchest Sunnis and defenders of "shahr" as "month" are forced to admit that 2185 must be talking about witnessing an event (they claim is the New Moon crescent) and not a "month". Even you inadvertently slipped here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg216654#msg216654 and said "witnessed the moon" because deep inside you know that whether you like it or not "whoever witnessed the month shall fast it" is pure nonsense.
Hopefully, this now has clarified the issue for everyone, including all reincarnations of Rex. )
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace AW,
It does depend on when year 0 month 1 was made to start. It also depends on the order of the months. For example, had the first month been in the new calendar been the prior new moon crescent then your so-called Ramadhan would be one month earlier. Also, had the arbitrary order of the months been such that Ramadhan is the 10th month then you would be fasting one month later. This is indisputable truth.
Peace,
Ayman
Peace,
Well we know that the islam calender started when prophet made hijira in 622 ad. And what are we talkin about anyway, the islamic calender or lunar calender? And lets stick to the facts. You keep saying "had this happened" and "had that happened" ect..., but these things didnt happen. So what now? To my knowleadge we are not fasting one month earlier. And we are fasting now. peace
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Peace Progressive1993, everyone,
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It is normal in the Arabic of the great reading that pronouns can refer to something which was mentioned in a prior verse. For example, (and Rex/Pseudo/Eid/Nun/whatever knows this very well), the pronoun "hiya" at the end of 7431 refers to "saqar" all the way back in 7426.On the other hand, taking "shahr" to mean "month" creates an insurmountable logical absurdity and physical impossibility since "witnessed" is in the perfect past tense. In other words, you would have to witness the month first and then go back in time and fast it. This false understanding of "shahr" as "month" of course reduces the passage to complete nonsense and hence even the staunchest Sunnis and defenders of "shahr" as "month" are forced to admit that 2185 must be talking about witnessing an event (they claim is the New Moon crescent) and not a "month". Even you inadvertently slipped here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg216654#msg216654 and said "witnessed the moon" because deep inside you know that whether you like it or not "whoever witnessed the month shall fast it" is pure nonsense.
Hopefully, this now has clarified the issue for everyone, including all reincarnations of Rex. )
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman .
As I am included in ?everyone? I would say no you are confusing yourself and others by promoting these absurd explanations. The classic Arabic dictionary meaning of the word "shahr? month is-?complete moon? =full month- a total of two crescents.
What you are calling ?full moon? is an English phrase in other words half moon
All over the world, including in England, the expression ?full moon? is NOT the end product or the Originator. Nowhere in the world is one half of the moon taken as a complete moon/? shahr" / full moon cycle of the month. So when you ?witnessed" the crescent you fast in that month (the word originating from moon)Month Etymology Since Urdu is nearest to Arabic culturally so let me start with Urdu "Mahina", also called "Mah" and moon too is called "Mah"yes (Mahjabeen) in Swedish, the word for month is M?nad (from M?ne=moon) in Icelandic M?nu? (from M?ni=moon) and, as pointed out in my earlier post, in
Middle English < Old English mna? < Proto-Germanic *mn?- < Proto-Indo-European *me(n)ses- (moon, month), probably from PIE base *m?- (to measure), referring to the moon?s phases as the measure of time. Cognate with moon.
? Cognates include Ancient Greek (mn), Armenian (amis), German Monat, Old High German mnd, Middle High German mnt, Old Irish m?, and Old Slavic(msncĭ. http//en.wiktionary.org/wiki/monthBtw. bravo it was very cleaver of Nun, Pseudo, EId, or Rex to contribute in this forum in small doses. That way his ID here does not say ?Wise One/ Burnout?; I am dreading that stage brickwall.
Finally to the moderators For an investigation into ?the rational and the non-rational,? posts, is it possible to sort all the post from each contributor in such a way that we can see clearly who has contributed genuinely and who has just pasted previous replies again and again making this thread too protracted
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Peace AW,
Well we know that the islam calender started when prophet made hijira in 622 ad. And what are we talkin about anyway, the islamic calender or lunar calender? And lets stick to the facts. You keep saying "had this happened" and "had that happened" ect..., but these things didnt happen. So what now? To my knowleadge we are not fasting one month earlier. And we are fasting now. peace
You are wrong, the start of the new era has nothing to do with the migration of the prophet. The era started on Muharam 1 year 0 but traditionalists say that the prophet's migration was 66 days later on 8 Rabi' Al-Awal. Even if Muharam 1 was the actual date of the migration, which is nothing but speculation anyway, then why choose this particular date? This is certainly nothing that is authorized by the god through the great reading. Some guy named Umar arbitrarily decided to choose this year and a certain month in it to start the calendar and it has nothing to do with hijra, the great reading or anything. Same goes for the arbitrary order of the months. So the sectarian Ramadan is 100% arbitrary.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Progressive1993, everyone,
It is the same as when someone tells you I am sitting in the scorching full moon or in a bright sun or in a cloudy afternoon. This is perfectly normal in regular speech. It doesn't mean that they traveled to the sun and are sitting on its surface!
Oooohhh.. so now you're twisting the words more and more to fit your your interpretation.. I see...
Anyways, have a nice month of Ramadan (shahr Ramadan).
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Peace AW,
You are wrong, the start of the new era has nothing to do with the migration of the prophet. The era started on Muharam 1 year 0 but traditionalists say that the prophet's migration was 66 days later on 8 Rabi' Al-Awal. Even if Muharam 1 was the actual date of the migration, which is nothing but speculation anyway, then why choose this particular date? This is certainly nothing that is authorized by the god through the great reading. Some guy named Umar arbitrarily decided to choose this year and a certain month in it to start the calendar and it has nothing to do with hijra, the great reading or anything. Same goes for the arbitrary order of the months. .
Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman .
I am not talking about the Islamic year; I am talking about the month/moon Ramadan which is lunar and started before the Islamic calendar.So the sectarian Ramadan is 100% arbitrary
NO Ramadan is NOT arbitrary; it?s been in cycle from the day it was mentioned to us in the Qur?an and as you can see from my ?Blue Lagoon? scenario the ?Sunni? guy was able to maintain the cycle even if, in his calendar, it was the 12th month.
I would really appreciate if you would stop repeating yourself.
Many Thanks
peace
Ps Sorry as this reply came just after my post so I thought it was in response to my post anyway I am sure AW won't mind me replying.
So I am still looking forward to your non repetitive reply
Salaam