Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Peace Farida,
This only proves that Guest and you suffer from hero-worship fetish. The same exact thing can be said about Christianity and its hero Paul
Jesus as the son of god was established firmly by the Prophet Jesus during his stay with was (previous generation) which we still follow. You are making a false accusation that Paul invented that Jesus is the son of god without any valid evidence. Paul is the one who was a desciple with the Prophet and not you. My innermost thoughts tell me that he didn?t abandon Christianity religion like you suggest using the example ?he claimed that Jesus is the son of god?. Judging your logic from the contents of your posts, I would most certainly conclude it is you who we should be careful about. Suggesting such a drastic change during the time in question would be equivalent to asking for extreme punishment. Even a sane disbeliever wouldn?t dare do that
If a much more drastic lie such as the one about Jesus can be invented, then the order of the months in an arbitrary calendar is the simplest thing to invent.
Peace,Ayman
Peace Ayman,
If you take this "invention" to a court of law, the judge would simply throw your flawed reasoning out the window so please stop playing the judge and get yourself a good lawyer.
peace
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Peace Ayman,
Once again you ignore to read the very links that you provide
- Where does it say in PERF558 or the inscription that the year is AH? Can you copy and paste the transcription and underline the word "hijri"?
What do you suppose the year 22 is referring to or is this the purpose of your question?
http//www.google.com/#hl=en&q=Mickey+Dunce&aq=f&aqi=&oq=&fp=d9ca629f83f82f8a
PERF 558 Contents
In the name of the Merciful, Compassionate God. These are the animals for slaughtering that `Abd-Allah ibn Jabir and his companions took from Ihnas? we took from the representatives of Theodor,? the elder son of Abu Qir, and from the representative of istofor,? the younger son of Abu Qir, fifty sheep from the animals for slaughter and fifteen other sheep, which were butchered for the men on his ships, his cavalry and his infantry in the month Jumada I of the year Twenty-Two. The scribe was Ibn Hadid.??Grohmann worked out "30 Pharmouthi of the indiction year 1" to be 25th April, 643 A.D.
The date fits with two of the most commonly available conversion tables those of Caetani and of Freeman-Grenville.?? They make the last day of Jumada I equate with 26th April, 643 A.D. Given the virtual inevitability of imprecisions of dating at the period, the fit is remarkably good.The above is confirmed by new moon data for that year?
New Moon (start of new month crescent 2 days later)
1/25/643 3. Rabi' al-awwal
24-Feb 4. Rabi' al-thani
25-Mar 5. Jumada al-awwal PERF 558 last day of Jumada al-awwal 4/25
24-Apr 6. Jumada al-thani begins 4/26
23-May 7. Rajab
22-Jun 8. Sha'aban
21-Jul 9. Ramadan
20-Aug 10. Shawwal
19-Sep 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
18-Oct 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
17-Nov 1. Muharram
17-Dec 2. SafarAre you seriously that clueless? Why do you think the next summer solstice happened 12 months later? What is the new moon crescent on July 16? Is it the first new moon crescent after the summer solstice? YES or NO.
YES that was the moon cycle in those years and would be the same after summer solstice if they picked year 622, 623, or 624 two days after the summer solstice, nothing special...
New Moon Date (start new month 2 days later)
1/17/622 7. Rajab
16-Feb 8. Sha'aban
18-Mar 9. Ramadan
16-Apr 10. Shawwal
16-May 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
14-Jun 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
14-Jul 1. Muharram begins 7/16
12-Aug 2. Safar Sept 9 (26 Safar AH 1) Hijra
11-Sep 3. Rabi' al-awwal
10-Oct 4. Rabi' al-thani
8-Nov 5. Jumada al-awwal
8-Dec 6. Jumada al-thani
1/6/623 7. Rajab
5-Feb 8. Sha'aban
7-Mar 9. Ramadan
5-Apr 10. Shawwal
5-May 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
4-Jun 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
3-Jul 1. Muharram 2 AH
2-Aug 2. Safar
31-Aug 3. Rabi' al-awwal
30-Sep 4. Rabi' al-thani
29-Oct 5. Jumada al-awwal
28-Nov 6. Jumada al-thani
27-Dec 7. Rajab
1/25/624 8. Sha'aban
24-Feb 9. Ramadan March 17, 624 (17 Ramadan 2 AH) Badr Battle
24-Mar 10. Shawwal
23-Apr 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
23-May 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
21-Jun 1. Muharram 3 AH
21-Jul 2. Safar
20-Aug 3. Rabi' al-awwal
18-Sep 4. Rabi' al-thani
18-Oct 5. Jumada al-awwal
16-Nov 6. Jumada al-thani
16-Dec 7. Rajab
1/14/625 8. Sha'aban
13-Feb 9. Ramadan
14-Mar 10. Shawwal March 19, 625 (3 Shawwal 3 AH) Battle of Uhud
12-Apr 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
12-May 12. Dhu al-Hijjah552CE (just 18 years before traditions claim the prophet was born)
http//www.mnh.si.edu/epigraphy/e_pre-islamic/fig04_sabaean.htm
Month name Zu A'allan (notice also the word for ?month? is not ?shahr? but ?warkh?)326CE
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/namarah.html
Month name Kaslul.267CE
http//www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/raqush.htm
Month name Tammouz (notice also the word for ?month? is not ?shahr? but consistent with the 552CE inscription ?yarkh?)When did Abraha die after he put up that sign in Southern Arabia and are Zu A?allan, ?warkh? and Tammuz (Jewish) or ?yarkh? common Arabic words that were used throughout all of Arabia including the central and northern -- what language and dialect?
No the dates of the lunar calendar get pushed back by 1 month every three years. If they picked the year of PERF558 as 1AH for starting a purely lunar calendar then the 22 years difference would result in Ramadhan coming 7 months later and it would have been in what is now the month of Rabii Al-Thani in the spring and Farida and you wouldn?t be so cranky.
I am very calm and there is nothing to push back every three years; this has nothing with summer solstice and our friend would have simply written year 1 and the months would continue without change...
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=643&n=214
New Moon Date
8-Dec 1. Muharram
1/6/642 2. Safar
5-Feb 3. Rabi' al-awwal
6-Mar 4. Rabi' al-thani
5-Apr 5. Jumada al-awwal
4-May 6. Jumada al-thani
3-Jun 7. Rajab
3-Jul 8. Sha'aban
1-Aug 9. Ramadan
31-Aug 10. Shawwal
29-Sep 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
29-Oct 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
28-Nov 1. Muharram 1 AH
27-Dec 2. Safar
1/25/643 3. Rabi' al-awwal
24-Feb 4. Rabi' al-thani
25-Mar 5. Jumada al-awwal PERF 558 last day of Jumada al-awwal 4/25
24-Apr 6. Jumada al-thani begins 4/26
23-May 7. Rajab
22-Jun 8. Sha'aban
21-Jul 9. Ramadan
20-Aug 10. Shawwal
19-Sep 11. Dhu al-Qi'dah
18-Oct 12. Dhu al-Hijjah
17-Nov 1. Muharram 2 AH
17-Dec 2. SafarSalaam again Samia,
No one is denying the "moon" as a marker. But do not deny the specificty of the sun in counting the years as per
1712We have made the Night and the Day as two (of Our) Signs the Sign of the Night have We obscured, while the Sign of the Day We have made to enlighten you; that ye may seek bounty from your Lord, and that ye may know the number and count of the years all things have We explained in detail
Which should make you re-read verse 105 in the following way to avoid any contradiction
105
He is the One who has made the sun a radiance and the moon a light, and He has measured its phases, that you may know the number of the years and the count. God has not created this except with the truth. He clarifies the revelations for a people who know.There is no contradiction.
105 No other way to read than what it exactly says; the moon phases are to know the years.
1712 Moon phases only exist due to sunlight and therefore, the sun is used to know the years.
Peace
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ANd Hajj is all about feasting. bravo bravo bravo
If you listen to Urdu radio service in Ramadan then you would hear about Akhri 3shra ie last ten days of the month and of course the night of power.
3shra is divided into three sections. The first ten days of the moon cycle is awasl 3shra, then comes the middle 3shra and then final 3shra.(Akhri 3shra )So 3shra is not an object call moon but the whole moon cycle from crescent to crescent.
Salaamare you for real?
sister you really need some urdu lessons too. yes
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peace all of you,
I have vowed i.e. made shahida to fast the month and to refrain my response.
not a valid excuse, since you have been roughly answering all along this thread. So why stop now ?
"falyasum alssiyamu" -- that seems right to you?
Salaam Samia,
Thank you for your honest answer.
2185 faman shahida minkumu alshshahra falyasumhu -- so he should fast it (i.e. ?alshshahra?)
I totally agree that "hu" refers to ash-shahra not to the abstinance. But ash-shahra doesn't mean month. it means full moon (the obvious marker for counting months, exactly 12, no more nor less).
Using context, is walad -- boy/son (masculine) in 411 not applicable to girl/daughter (feminine)?
You still need efforts, stop faking learning arabic, LEARN
walad is a masculine noun, but it doesn't strictly means boy/son nor girl/daughter. Actually it means both as we can understand from 411.
Walad is used in arabic to mean progeniture/infant in both sex.
Boy/son/male = // (from right to left) fataa/ibn/dhakar.
girl/daughter/female = // (from right to left) fataate/bint/unthaa.until you pass the basic level of arabic, you will always have serious problems in learning islam due to the mistranslations you read.
Salam all of you ..
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Peace Farida,
This only proves that Guest and you suffer from hero-worship fetish. The same exact thing can be said about Christianity and its hero Paul
Jesus as the son of god was established firmly by the Prophet Jesus during his stay with was (previous generation) which we still follow. You are making a false accusation that Paul invented that Jesus is the son of god without any valid evidence. Paul is the one who was a desciple with the Prophet and not you. My innermost thoughts tell me that he didn?t abandon Christianity religion like you suggest using the example ?he claimed that Jesus is the son of god?. Judging your logic from the contents of your posts, I would most certainly conclude it is you who we should be careful about. Suggesting such a drastic change during the time in question would be equivalent to asking for extreme punishment. Even a sane disbeliever wouldn?t dare do that
If a much more drastic lie such as the one about Jesus can be invented, then the order of the months in an arbitrary calendar is the simplest thing to invent.Peace,
Ayman
Peace Ayman,
You are unable to write even a single sentence without contradicting a fact or reality. And your logic is screwed-up to the point of no return. The proof is in all your posts including this one.
POINT 1
Paul was an apostle (follower) of Jesus, who converted to Christianity after Jesus' death by crucifixion, and there is no evidence he ever personally met Jesus when he was alive.Paul was originally known as Saul of Tarsus, and a rabid persecutor of Christians. On the road to Damascus, he is said to have been visited by the resurrected Jesus, and struck blind. After his vision cleared Saul took the name of Paul, and began to proclaim the gospel, as revealed to him by Jesus the Christ.
Therefore, Ayman is proudly demonstrating his ignorance by saying ?Paul is the one who was a desciple with the Prophet and not you.?
POINT 2
We all know that the life of Jesus ended prematurely. He did not have time to establish the God's system like the Prophet Muhammad did. Therefore, even a 5 year old child would know that it would be easy for Paul to invent lies about the God and Jesus and get away with it because he didn't have to face the God's system. Now contrast this with the system Prophet Muhammad left behind. Ayman, please cite us the verse that talks about the punishment for blaspheming the God within the God's system. Ironically, the same verse applies to Ayman as well.
Five years old child gets this but not Ayman. The God has taken his understanding faculty away because of his wrongdoing.
POINT 3
We have historical evidence when Paul started his gospel (point of deviation). We know of groups that protested his teaching. We have many other evidence as well. My question to Ayman is this do you have any such evidence regarding your so called deviation of Ramadan. And don't quote me the PERF stupid thing which has been created by Greeks who are famous for making mythology. They have hundreds of idol (gods) who they worship. I think you are at home with them. Otherwise why would you use such nasty think as a source of your writing.
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are you for real?
sister you really need some urdu lessons too. yes
Salaam,
Yes brother, I am for real and what I said are Urdu phrases (not punjabbi) and Urdu is a language made up of mainly Arabic, Persian Sanskrit.
Confirm it with someone outside free-minds who is a good Urdu speaker.
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Peace guest,
Now i really started doubting your intelligence. Would you please visit http//www.iqtest.com/prep.html ...maybe it will give you a hint ?
By his post, Ayman just wanted to show you that Guest and you suffer from hero-worship fetish. So he replaced words in your very prior post to show you that it sounds the same. that's simple )
Again it's proverb time He Tried to shoot the dear, but he missed the forest.
Salam
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Peace Nabil,
The burden of proof is on those who claim that those people met the prophet (a positive). ;;;;;;;;;;;Peace,
Ayman
Salaam Everyone
The Grand Scheme;Brother Nabil, in one of his post advised me please do not let that question of unity bother you, unity of what, behind a month? are you serious?
Let me explain what the grand scheme behind this Summer Solstice/ Hot Ramadan swindle really is
First of all, note that Ayman and Samia are always referring to ?the Prophet? or ?the Messenger?, never using the name ?Mohammad?.
Now let me go through Ayman?s post(in red) to you,step by step outlining its final destinationThe burden of proof is on those who claim that those people met the prophet (a positive). I don't have to prove a negative (see the logical fallacy of negative proof).
The Grand Plan here is to suggest that, in fact, there never was a prophet called Mohammad!
Now see below how Ayman slyly leads us towards this uncanny conclusionThe topic is about timing and some on this thread have claimed that the sectarian arbitrary calendar was established by the prophet
See above; there is absolutely no logic to his statement about two different things. He is simply manoeuvring towards the contention that NOTHING was established by the prophet.We can empirically verify that corruption took place since the traditional Umar calendar is completely baseless and has nothing to do with the great reading.
First of all who are ?we? and see how he is leading us by the nose to, what he calls, his ?empirical? verification.If indeed Umar established this corrupt calendar
He sets off by attacking the one whose name apparently has been seen on the remains of receipts etc.full of lies then he couldn't be one of the followers of the messenger
In other words hmmFull of lies???? Was there indeed someone called Mohammad in the first place whom Umar followed?! (who would have followed the message)Actually, we should be LESS careful with those guys. At least we have the writings of Bukhari and thus we know that at least he existed.
This is where the accusation starts that which guy actually existed.????Muslim and Bukhari existed and have been branded as evil ones ?the bad guy from Bukhara who concocted stories about ?those guys didn't even exist?
Two people that we know existed are Umar and Ali. The writings we have about Umar come from the Romans (describing the invasion of Jerusalem during his time) and the Jews (greatly praising him for being a champion of Zionism).
Now he brands Umar as a friend of Zionism (greatly praising him for being a champion of Zionism), a fascistic ideology that was not even devised until the 19th century!
Up to this stage it?s been firmly established that Bukhari came from Bukhara. Now the next stage is to brand Umar as a Zionist confirmed only by the enemy Romans.Ali is mentioned in one source that talks about the Arab civil wars but he is called Abu Turab (not Abu Talib) and he is described as the Prince of Hira (present day Southwest Iraq). So even the little we know about those figures contradicts traditions about them
Now Ali is popping up; time to discredit and delete him too as being nothing but ?the traditionalist prince of Hira?. So no Ali then...no uncle of Ali?
Interestingly, the Roman sources also say that the kingdom of the Arabs started invading their teritories in 620-621CE when Heraclius, king of the Romans, was in his eleventh year. According to traditions, at that time the prophet hasn't even emigrated yet! so the traditional dating is definitely problematic and putting all the evidence that we have together we can be pretty certain that the traditional calendar is not based on the actual year of the "hijra" but on a later date. Since this is a discussion about the timing and the validity of the traditional calendar, then all this is certainly relevant. For further reading, I would suggest that you get the book "Seeing Islam as Others Saw it" by Hoyland
Now we come to the Actual man Mohammad and the legitimacy of the traditional personalities.
It always amazes me that people believe that everyone who held any political position during those days is a cousin of the prophet or is related by marriage. I bet that its all just political propaganda and lies much like the kings of Jordan and Morocco and anyone who pays $300 to get a certified family tree that he is one of the so-called Ashraf.
So finally no Mohammad, no shahada and no valid Islam.
You bet!!!!! I bet that Dr Ashraf Ayman had been paid weelll over $300 for his nefarious propaganda. >
Congratulations brother Nabil! Now you have your own ?Murabiteens" Saint Ayman handshake
peace
7183 Free_Minds And I will encourage them, for My scheming is formidable.
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If you listen to Urdu radio service in Ramadan then you would hear about Akhri 3shra ie last ten days of the month and of course the night of power.
3shra is divided into three sections. The first ten days of the moon cycle is awasl 3shra, then comes the middle 3shra and then final 3shra.(Akhri 3shra )So 3shra is not an object call moon but the whole moon cycle from crescent to crescent.
Salaamso which one is correct
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3shra = 10 (days)?
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3shra = crescent to crescent 29-30 (days)?
and have you ever heard of 3shra Mubashira?
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Salaam Everyone
First of all, note that Ayman and Samia are always referring to ?the Prophet? or ?the Messenger?, never using the name ?Mohammad?.
rotfl rotfl rotfl
may be out of respect like many indian women don't say their husbands' names....?
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Salaam Everyone
The Grand Scheme;Brother Nabil, in one of his post advised me please do not let that question of unity bother you, unity of what, behind a month? are you serious?
Let me explain what the grand scheme behind this Summer Solstice/ Hot Ramadan swindle really is
First of all, note that Ayman and Samia are always referring to ?the Prophet? or ?the Messenger?, never using the name ?Mohammad?.
Now let me go through Ayman?s post(in red) to you,step by step outlining its final destinationThe burden of proof is on those who claim that those people met the prophet (a positive). I don't have to prove a negative (see the logical fallacy of negative proof).
The Grand Plan here is to suggest that, in fact, there never was a prophet called Mohammad!
Now see below how Ayman slyly leads us towards this uncanny conclusionThe topic is about timing and some on this thread have claimed that the sectarian arbitrary calendar was established by the prophet
See above; there is absolutely no logic to his statement about two different things. He is simply manoeuvring towards the contention that NOTHING was established by the prophet.We can empirically verify that corruption took place since the traditional Umar calendar is completely baseless and has nothing to do with the great reading.
First of all who are ?we? and see how he is leading us by the nose to, what he calls, his ?empirical? verification.If indeed Umar established this corrupt calendar
He sets off by attacking the one whose name apparently has been seen on the remains of receipts etc.full of lies then he couldn't be one of the followers of the messenger
In other words hmmFull of lies???? Was there indeed someone called Mohammad in the first place whom Umar followed?! (who would have followed the message)Actually, we should be LESS careful with those guys. At least we have the writings of Bukhari and thus we know that at least he existed.
This is where the accusation starts that which guy actually existed.????Muslim and Bukhari existed and have been branded as evil ones ?the bad guy from Bukhara who concocted stories about ?those guys didn't even exist?
Two people that we know existed are Umar and Ali. The writings we have about Umar come from the Romans (describing the invasion of Jerusalem during his time) and the Jews (greatly praising him for being a champion of Zionism).
Now he brands Umar as a friend of Zionism (greatly praising him for being a champion of Zionism), a fascistic ideology that was not even devised until the 19th century!
Up to this stage it?s been firmly established that Bukhari came from Bukhara. Now the next stage is to brand Umar as a Zionist confirmed only by the enemy Romans.Ali is mentioned in one source that talks about the Arab civil wars but he is called Abu Turab (not Abu Talib) and he is described as the Prince of Hira (present day Southwest Iraq). So even the little we know about those figures contradicts traditions about them
Now Ali is popping up; time to discredit and delete him too as being nothing but ?the traditionalist prince of Hira?. So no Ali then...no uncle of Ali?
Interestingly, the Roman sources also say that the kingdom of the Arabs started invading their teritories in 620-621CE when Heraclius, king of the Romans, was in his eleventh year. According to traditions, at that time the prophet hasn't even emigrated yet! so the traditional dating is definitely problematic and putting all the evidence that we have together we can be pretty certain that the traditional calendar is not based on the actual year of the "hijra" but on a later date. Since this is a discussion about the timing and the validity of the traditional calendar, then all this is certainly relevant. For further reading, I would suggest that you get the book "Seeing Islam as Others Saw it" by Hoyland
Now we come to the Actual man Mohammad and the legitimacy of the traditional personalities.
It always amazes me that people believe that everyone who held any political position during those days is a cousin of the prophet or is related by marriage. I bet that its all just political propaganda and lies much like the kings of Jordan and Morocco and anyone who pays $300 to get a certified family tree that he is one of the so-called Ashraf.
So finally no Mohammad, no shahada and no valid Islam.
You bet!!!!! I bet that Dr Ashraf Ayman had been paid weelll over $300 for his nefarious propaganda. >
Congratulations brother Nabil! Now you have your own ?Murabiteens" Saint Ayman handshake
peace
7183 Free_Minds And I will encourage them, for My scheming is formidable.
La 7awla wa la 9uwwata illa billah !!
Alcohol is bad , use it with moderation .
What about the pink elephant in your room ??
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La 7awla wa la 9uwwata illa billah !!
Alcohol is bad , use it with moderation .
What about the pink elephant in your room ??
aah I see, I could have never guessed it!
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Ad you have missed the wall..
I like the come back..
Peace guest,
Now i really started doubting your intelligence. Would you please visit http//www.iqtest.com/prep.html ...maybe it will give you a hint ?
By his post, Ayman just wanted to show you that Guest and you suffer from hero-worship fetish. So he replaced words in your very prior post to show you that it sounds the same. that's simple
Again it's proverb time He Tried to shoot the dear, but he missed the forest.
Salam
La 7awla wa la 9uwwata illa billah !!
Alcohol is bad , use it with moderation .
What about the pink elephant in your room ??
100 pages !!! we should celebrate sun
I must say, Ayman's cheerleader captain makes a lot of insightful posts.
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Peace,
I totally agree that "hu" refers to ash-shahra not to the abstinance. But ash-shahra doesn't mean month. it means full moon (the obvious marker for counting months, exactly 12, no more nor less).
You still need efforts, stop faking learning arabic, LEARN
Then since you know Arabic and disagree; tell everyone how to fast a FULL MOON?
This year's full moon after solstice July 7th full at exactly 1222PM in the daytime.http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=2009&n=214
Moon phases for Riyadh, Saudi Arabia year 2009FULL MOON Jul 7 1222 PM
Did you see it? Was you quick enough to "fast it"?
walad is a masculine noun, but it doesn't strictly means boy/son nor girl/daughter. Actually it means both as we can understand from 411.
Walad is used in arabic to mean progeniture/infant in both sex.
Boy/son/male = // (from right to left) fataa/ibn/dhakar.
girl/daughter/female = // (from right to left) fataate/bint/unthaa.until you pass the basic level of arabic, you will always have serious problems in learning islam due to the mistranslations you read.
I asked a simple question (thanks for proving my point) and I'm familiar with inheritance verses, thank you.
Perhaps since you know Arabic so well you can answer the questions at the end of this thread...
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=16179.0We are especially interested in the exact definition of Kalala, Ikhwatan, and the meaning of " to the male equal luck the two females" if that is a general mixed case or if the girls are exactly two...
Please don't post it here (we already know you are gifted in languages), we have enough unanswered questions pertaining to this topic to address -- that is if you like since you are the Arabic expert and know Qur'an so well...
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FULL MOON Jul 7 1222 PM
Did you see it? Were you quick enough to "fast it"?
bravo
Lets see if he can answer that one.
@ ayman,
I like your arguementation tactic ignoring.
A blessed and successful Ramadan to all peace
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Salaam Everyone
The Grand Scheme;Salaam Everyone
The Grand Scheme;Brother Nabil, in one of his post advised me please do not let that question of unity bother you, unity of what, behind a month? are you serious?
Let me explain what the grand scheme behind this Summer Solstice/ Hot Ramadan swindle really is
So finally no Mohammad, no shahada and no valid Islam.
You bet!!!!! I bet that Dr Ashraf Ayman had been paid weelll over $300 for his nefarious propaganda. >
Congratulations brother Nabil! Now you have your own ?Murabiteens" Saint Ayman handshake
peace
7183 Free_Minds And I will encourage them, for My scheming is formidable.
I am very curious of Ayman's answer to this.
I am also aware of Ayman's positions regarding certain matters in the Quran to be metaphorical / allegorical,
and there was a fierce debate between members as to the fact if previous Prophets such as Abraham, David,
Solomon and even Jesus ever existed, or if they were a combination of characters, or an invention of religious
leaders... this was of course something the large majority in Free-minds forcefully rejected.
Ayman proposed a metaphorical explanation to the reality of Jinns and Angels (i.e. that they do not actually
exist but in your head as fantasies), this was too forcefully rejected, but he still has some followers.
Now if your analysis / accusation is correct, and he starts arguing that Mohammed is an allegorical figure,
then we will act when this happens.
Otherwise, as of now, I find his argument on the counting of the years and months using his quranic
and cosmological insights together with the fast directives sound.
For me it is akin to RK, with whom I did not agree with on many points, but who opened my eyes on some.
Ayman does not also always follow a strict scientific method when he peppers statements around, which for me
does no good to his credibility.
But he does take risks, and is not paid for what he does. With many of us acting out of fear of the unknown just
to defend our status quo, I think he, Layth, Edip Yuksel and a few others have done a lot of good to the Monotheist
cause.
If your grave accusations are correct, you will still need to provide proof, i.e. e.g. that he is on the pay roll of some
dark agencies.
Salam and Allah's protection to all of us... -
Peace Nabil,
for those of you who are fasting, aren't you supposed not to argue while fasting?
anyways, for those quoting hadith, you are wasting your time on me,
Ayman is far from being a genius, but his understanding of the fast as decreed in the Qur'an is spot on, and I invite you to follow it from next year, Allah willing, if you wish to maximise your rewards.
Ayman, please do not be too impulsive in making comments, as I have followed you since 2003, and several times you make pronouncements before they are fully clear in your head, this confuses matters with peeps.
You have been blessed these times with ramadan, the hajj, so glory be to Allah, and let us thank him for those insights.I agree. This is why I put the disclaimer at the end of my articles. All good comes from the god.
Your insights in the Jinns are completely off the mark, unless you have changed your pop psychology interpretation,
and if I were to judge you on that alone, I would not accept anything from you, but we need to be mature enough that
in Ijtihad we will make mistakes, but we ought to be big and wise enough and humble enough to recognise that we made one.We know from the great reading that the "jinn" are what entice us to do wrong and are our "qarin"/close counterpart. Which out of those entities that have been proposed over the years we can empirically verify as fitting the above
- Ghosts
- Aliens
- Reptilians
- Our imagination
I think the answer is clear and each one of us deep inside knows what drives him/her to do wrong but as you said we all make mistakes. Even my wife, like you, doesn't fully agree with my interpretation of "jinn" and yet I still accept things from her .
I am also curious as how you read the Quran, and do you also take into account of signs that Allah sends along the way.
We do dismiss the signs we get when asleep, while at those times our soul goes back to our Maker, and gets re-programed
in some sorts of way, Joseph was endowed with the ability to read the programing whereas I suppose for us, it is subliminal,
and everyday, we wake up we get taken over by the day to day reality, and choose to over-ride "valuable" instincts that Allah
every single night re-instills in us while we sleep...
(For a flavour of this, -though in a psychological/psychiatric contest- you can refer to Human Givens - Joe Griffin & Ivan Tyrrell as a start up) - it is really fascinating...I am not sure how I read the great reading and if it is any different than how others read it. I don?t think about that. I guess I try to read it without any preconceptions. Most of the breakthroughs that I had were just after waking up after dawn. I also see the entire creation of the god as part of the signs that he guides us with. Even the people on this thread are signs. I think that dreams can be good or bad. For example, many corruptors did what they did as a result of dreams. I just pray that the god guides me and has mercy on me, this is all.
Peace,
Ayman
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Peace Belal,
And that is what I and the believers are counting 12 Moon Cycles, as we are instructed by our Lord...
- Do you know the difference between a count and an absolute number?
- What are you starting the count from?
- What if you started the count from a different point?
If you answer those questions, you will realize that when the sectarian so-called Ramadhan occurs has nothing to do with counting 12 of anything.
And that is what I and the believers do not follow, because we know that our Lord did not Instruct us to do so...and from debating and reading the different comments in this thread, non have provided such instruction from Quran.
Believers in what? You have essentially put your faith in whoever established the order of the months and decided that it should start at a certain point. This is what you believe in.
Therefore, you have your deen and we will have ours, and God will be the Judge in the Day were every one will be Judged.
Agreed. But don?t claim that your arbitrary so-called Ramadhan is based on the great reading and admit that it is based on following sectarians. If the majority stops following it or you get stranded on an island and lose track of time, it will die out just as much as all falsehood will eventually die out.
It seems that most of God Creatures like to dispute with him, and therefore, the go astray.
No only humans do. All of the god?s creatures naturally follow the solar cycle except Sunnis, Shias and 19ers.
If we learn to listen to God When saying " I know what you do not know.? , and reply by saying "You are the Knowledgeable, the Wise", then we will be at ease with ourselves. But, instead, we argue and dispute.
Then don?t argue and dispute. Just imagine that there is no one to argue and dispute with and you only have the great reading and you have lost track of time. Now figure out the timing using the great reading.
Trust God's wisdom and follow the Well-Established Verses that Instruct you to count 12 Months (Moon Cycles) when calculating a year--NO ADDING a MOON nor SUBTRACTING.
But you are not counting 12 Months. You have been counting continuously since 1AH. It doesn?t matter that you have given what you count names and you repeat those names every 12 names because those names are meaningless anyways so you might as well call them A B C .... In order to properly count, you have to know the population that you are counting out of.
Peace,
Ayman