Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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Ah, lovely. A ramadhan thread has been turned into Sunday service.
Peace Ayman,
I think some of us here have issues (cough cough ~##)
anyways classified means classified... (a hint Monsanto)...
as for preconceptions, the Quran in several numerous descriptions of Jinns in many contexts
does not leave much room but to accept that they are beings, albeit from another realm time/space
continuum adjacent/contiguous to ours, it is like us living in 2D and them in 3D so they have an extra edge,
but it could be far more complex, especially if as it has been put forward by some, they are plasma beings.
Of course you are very materialistic and minimalistic in your views so whatever you cannot see, or break
down into a smallest denominator you will disregard.
I am the opposite, looking at things as possibilities, otherwise, why do I believe in Allah whom I do not see,
it is not such a big leap that if He advises me that there are beings out there who are beyond the frequency range of
my vision or senses, I will as a matter of fact believe Him, one follows the other.
And indeed I am convinced this is what it is, they operate beyond frequency ranges that our senses and instruments can measure,
and they are able to lower their frequencies to morph into our realm to manipulate when/if they can.
This is why Allah asks us to protect ourselves against the devious among them.
Now on a conspiratorial note, some believe that there is an ongoing program to make humans even more susceptible to these
jinns manipulations with GM food, and psychotropic medicines and dna manipulations.
The Quran does prophesise that humans will in the future modify God's creation, and it is happening...Peace,
Don't take this as a charge;but, what does this have to with ramadan? I am, simply, trying to follow this thread.
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Peace All,
I decided not to argue anymore in this thread
Farida decided to tell us good byeI rest my case. Good bye everyone .
Surprisingly, she gave her login/password to that Grown Beard Imam to continue posting on her name. Let's see if it is correct...
The ones who listen to what is being said, and then follow the best of it. These are the ones whom God has guided, and these are the ones who possess intelligence.
You can only warn him who follows the reminder, and reverences the Almighty while unseen. Give him good news of forgiveness and a generous reward.
3543 Arrogance on Earth, and evil scheming. And the evil schemes only backfire on those who scheme them. Were they expecting anything different from the ways used on the people of the past? You will not find any change in God's way, and you will not find any bypass to God's way.
496 O you who believe, if a wicked person comes to you with any news, then you shall investigate it. Lest you harm a people out of ignorance, then you will become regretful over what you have done.
358 The one whose evil work is adorned and he sees it as being good. God thus misguides whom he wills, and He guides whom He wills. So do not let yourself grieve over them. God is fully aware of what they are doing.
Farida has definitly turned onto a FULLY GROWN BEARD IMAM.
Forget the old bankrupt Farida, it's now up to the imam to Curse and Scare those who come to this forum seeking the truth !
Pathetic !!
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Peace All,
I decided not to argue anymore in this thread
Farida decided to tell us good byeSurprisingly, she gave her login/password to that Grown Beard Imam to continue posting on her name. Let's see if it is correct...
Farida has definitly turned onto a FULLY GROWN BEARD IMAM.
Forget the old bankrupt Farida, it's now up to the imam to Curse and Scare those who come to this forum seeking the truth !
Pathetic !!
And who is more wicked than one who is reminded of his Lord's revelations, then he turns away from them? We will exact a punishment from the criminals.
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Peace Ayman,
You have not answered the question and instead you have given stuff which has nothing to do with the solstice moon "illusion". Here is a hint from
http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16jun_moonillusion.htm
This is significant because the sun and full Moon are like kids on a see-saw; when one is high, the other is low. This week's high solstice sun gives us a low, horizon-hugging Moon and a strong Moon Illusion.
The "illusion" has nothing to do with the actual size of the full-moon. This is why it is called an "illusion". It has to do with the altitude of the full-moon.
From http//science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2000/ast14jun_1.htm
For the same reason that sunsets can be vivid red, the low-hanging moon frequently takes on a beautiful pink or orange hue as a result of scattered moonlight in Earth's dusty atmosphere.
The key here is that this full-moon takes the lowest path accross the horizon compared with other full-moons. ONLY two full-moons are "solstice moons", the one before the sosltice and the one after the solstice. Given the association of the term "ramadhan" with heat then this fits better with the moon AFTER the solstice. Here is the data (for Washington, DC) for the one on July 6 this year compared to the one that you refer to above in December 2008
Data for night of July 6, 2009
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1930 0.6 123.5 1.00
1940 2.0 125.1 1.00
1950 3.5 126.6 1.00
2000 4.9 128.2 1.00
2010 6.4 129.9 1.00
2020 7.8 131.6 1.00
2030 9.2 133.3 1.00
2040 10.5 135.0 1.00
2050 11.9 136.8 1.00
2100 13.1 138.7 1.00
2110 14.4 140.5 1.00
2120 15.6 142.5 1.00
2130 16.7 144.4 1.00
2140 17.8 146.5 1.00
2150 18.8 148.5 1.00
2200 19.8 150.6 1.00
2210 20.7 152.8 1.00
2220 21.5 155.0 1.00
2230 22.3 157.2 1.00
2240 23.0 159.5 1.00
2250 23.7 161.8 1.00
2300 24.2 164.1 1.00
2310 24.7 166.5 1.00
2320 25.1 168.9 1.00
2330 25.5 171.3 1.00
2340 25.7 173.8 1.00
2350 25.9 176.2 1.00Data for night of December 12, 2008
Time Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
1650 1.3 56.2 1.00
1700 2.7 57.6 1.00
1710 4.2 59.1 1.00
1720 5.8 60.5 1.00
1730 7.4 61.9 1.00
1740 9.0 63.2 1.00
1750 10.7 64.6 1.00
1800 12.4 65.9 1.00
1810 14.1 67.2 1.00
1820 15.8 68.5 1.00
1830 17.5 69.8 1.00
1840 19.3 71.1 1.00
1850 21.1 72.4 1.00
1900 22.8 73.6 1.00
1910 24.6 74.9 1.00
1920 26.5 76.2 1.00
1930 28.3 77.5 1.00
1940 30.1 78.7 1.00
1950 31.9 80.0 1.00
2000 33.8 81.3 1.00
2010 35.6 82.6 1.00
2020 37.5 84.0 1.00
2030 39.4 85.3 1.00
2040 41.2 86.7 1.00
2050 43.1 88.2 1.00
2100 45.0 89.6 1.00
2110 46.9 91.2 1.00
2120 48.8 92.7 1.00
2130 50.6 94.4 1.00
2140 52.5 96.1 1.00
2150 54.4 97.9 1.00
2200 56.2 99.8 1.00
2210 58.1 101.9 1.00
2220 59.9 104.1 1.00
2230 61.7 106.5 1.00
2240 63.5 109.2 1.00
2250 65.3 112.1 1.00
2300 67.0 115.3 1.00
2310 68.7 118.9 1.00
2320 70.3 123.1 1.00
2330 71.9 127.8 1.00
2340 73.3 133.2 1.00
2350 74.6 139.5 1.00Notice that the one on July 6 rose to a an altitude of less than 26 degress by midnight. On the other hand, the one in December rose much higher to an altitude of 74.6 degrees by the same time. In addition, notice the rate of climb for the July 6 scorching full-moon is much lower than the one in December. The low altitude and the slow climb is what gives the solstice moon illusion and the red color as the low altitude lasts for a long time, unlike the moon in December that climbs very quickly.
http//facstaff.uww.edu/mccreadd/intro9.htm
As explained in the above article there are different theories on the full moon illusion and interesting Azimuth is derived from Arabic ('as-simt', which means direction, referring...Full moon rising from the 2500 year old temple of Poseidon
Image taken Jun. 18, 2008 Location Sounio, Greece.
http//spaceweather.com/swpod2008/19jun08/Elias-Chasiotis1_strip2.jpgWhat is certain the FULL MOON ILLUSION which I saw last year after sunset as above...
2008 June 18 BEFORE the solstice was HUGE!
2008 July 18 AFTER the solstice -- was there a moon illusion, did you see it last year, Ayman?
http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/moonphases.html?year=2008&n=263
Data for July 18, 2008 http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.phpTime Altitude Azimuth Fraction Illuminated
0000 27.0 177.4 1.00
0010 27.0 179.9 1.00
0020 27.0 182.4 1.00
0030 26.9 184.9 1.00
0040 26.7 187.4 1.00
0050 26.5 189.9 1.00
0100 26.1 192.4 1.00
0110 25.7 194.8 1.00
0120 25.2 197.2 1.00
0130 24.6 199.6 1.00
0140 24.0 202.0 1.00
0150 23.3 204.3 1.00
0200 22.5 206.5 1.00
0210 21.6 208.8 1.00
0220 20.7 211.0 1.00
0230 19.7 213.1 1.00
0240 18.7 215.2 1.00
0250 17.6 217.2 1.00
0300 16.4 219.3 1.00
0310 15.2 221.2 1.00
0320 14.0 223.1 1.00
0330 12.7 225.0 1.00
0340 11.4 226.8 1.00
0350 10.0 228.6 1.00
0400 8.6 230.4 1.00
0410 7.2 232.1 1.00
0420 5.7 233.8 1.00
0430 4.2 235.4 1.00
0440 2.8 237.0 1.00
0450 1.3 238.6 1.00
0500 -0.1 240.2 1.00
0510 -2.3 241.7 1.00
0520 -4.0 243.2 1.00
0530 -5.6 244.7 1.00
0540 -7.3 246.1 1.00
0550 -9.0 247.6 1.00
0600 -10.8 249.0 1.001900 -11.2 108.0 1.00
1910 -9.4 109.4 1.00
1920 -7.6 110.8 1.00
1930 -5.9 112.3 1.00
1940 -4.1 113.7 1.00
1950 -2.4 115.2 1.00
2000 -0.1 116.7 0.99
2010 1.4 118.2 0.99 after sunset
2020 2.9 119.7 0.99
2030 4.5 121.3 0.99
2040 6.1 122.9 0.99
2050 7.7 124.5 0.99
2100 9.2 126.2 0.99
2110 10.7 127.9 0.99
2120 12.2 129.7 0.99
2130 13.7 131.5 0.99
2140 15.1 133.3 0.99
2150 16.4 135.2 0.99
2200 17.8 137.2 0.99
2210 19.1 139.2 0.99
2220 20.3 141.2 0.99
2230 21.5 143.3 0.99
2240 22.6 145.5 0.99
2250 23.7 147.7 0.99
2300 24.7 149.9 0.99
2310 25.6 152.2 0.99
2320 26.5 154.6 0.99
2330 27.3 157.0 0.99
2340 28.0 159.5 0.99
2350 28.7 162.0 0.99FACT is your kill season and full moons "drift" after the solstice from June 21 to July 20...
You don't fast a full-moon so if this is the meaning then this is why how long the fast id given in 2184-185, otherwise saying the fast is for a few days and saying that it is for a month would be contradictory or at best redundant.
It can go either way as the preceding "hu" refers to the "abstinence that was dictated on you".
Not redundant, a few days is relative (i.e. a week, a month, a year) and to fast a month is not a big deal.
Please address the question about full moon illusion last year, YES/NO and we can move on to the others.
Peace
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Peace Nabil,
I think that Farida is confused because I said that many of the so-called Sahaba probably didn't exist. Since she hero-worships those people, this made her confused. What I am saying is not something amazing or extra ordinary. For example, many researchers think that Abu Hurayra didn't exist and was invented by later generations.
On the other hand, it is sectarians like the people that Farida blindly follows who have fantacized a false Muhammed who split the moon and sits next to the god and takes them into paradise on the day of the account! This false Muhammed, like all idols, is a product of the fantasy/"jinn".
Peace,
Ayman
Attention Moderators
Salaam everyone,
I would like you to stop this malicious campaign and stop Ayman from spreading deliberate lies, as my reply below reflects my stance
Peace Ayman,
I am sorry; your ranting has gone sooo boring that I don't even bother to read your full reply...you are like a kid who, wanting to have the last world, puts his fingers in his ears and, with eyes closed repeats you you you you you. )
You know what; I understand the reason that gave birth to Muslim and Bukhari. It was because of people exactly like you, who were hell bent on destroying the deen, that the need arose for hadiths ... and again a disguised satan, in the form of Abu Huraira, sneaked in there too like in movie the "Devil's advocate".
peace
Ps In fact you have given yourself too much credit in believing that you can replace the Prophet.I would also like the readers and the moderators to make a note that I bade goodbye to this circular discussion, but not to this thread.
Ayman, seeing that I have left the discussion, taking advantage of my absence and starting his spiteful propaganda again as everyone can see in his reply above and in the interast of decency and fairness I would request the moderators to investigage and put an end to this at their earliest.Best wishes and regards
farida -
Attention Moderators
Ayman, seeing that I have left the discussion, taking advantage of my absence and starting his spiteful propaganda again as everyone can see in his above and in the interast of decency and fairness I would request the moderators to investigage and put an end to this at their earliest.
Best wishes and regards
faridaYou never left this thread, let alone circular arguing, for more than 4 hours. timing of your yesterday's posts are proof that you are lying.
You came back , in your grown beard Imam Jellaba, less than 4 hours after you bade goodbye and started again acting like " a kid who, wanting to have the last word, puts his fingers in his ears and, with eyes closed repeats Allah will curse YOU YOU YOU YOU ! "
Moderators are not the blind ones.
salam
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You never left this thread, let alone circular arguing, for more than 4 hours. timing of your yesterday's posts are proof that you are lying.
You came back , in your grown beard Imam Jellaba, less than 4 hours after you bade goodbye and started again acting like " a kid who, wanting to have the last word, puts his fingers in his ears and, with eyes closed repeats Allah will curse YOU YOU YOU YOU ! "
Moderators are not the blind ones.
salam
Salaam
Can't you see the difference between my words and God's words ???And we place shields over their hearts, that they should not understand it, and a deafness in their ears. And if you mention your Lord in the Qur'an alone, they run away turning their backs in aversion.
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Peace Ayman
Welcome to the thread and I apologize for the rudeness of Progressive1993. Hopefully, you have read enough of the thread to understand his frustration.
laugh
Why frustration?
488 ...Do you want to guide those whom God misguides? Whoever God causes to be misguided, you will never find for him a way.
Going back to fasting/ramadan
Fasting is an ancient monotheistic practice - neither God, nor Muhammad arbitrarily/randomly decided to impose fasting just like that or changed the calendar just before Muhamamd's death.
Besides, my response was not going personally to Muse, rather to the info presented, unlike what you have done to me (as shown above).
if you do not read 1712 intelligently without preconceptions and instead keep repeating the same thing over and over again, then I will resume ignoring you.
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By 'intelligently' you mean 'that which accords with your opinion only', assume.
No they are not used to calculate the days of the year. There is no such concept as a "year" in a lunar calendar. One can easily make a purely lunar calendar with 1, 2, ... 13, 14, 15, ...etc. lunar months. There is no inherent number of cycles that one must "reach" or "break" at such as 12 in a purely lunar calendar. You have essentially been counting lunar cycles since year 0 AH and it doesn't matter what you call them or if you reuse the names every 12 names since their names are meaningless anyway. This is why the lunar calendar is 100% dependent on the actual month 1 that you started counting from. In order to count 12, you have to have a start and an end for the population that you are counting from. There is no such thing in a purely lunar calendar with no inherent start or end.
Count 12 lunar months/cycles and you have a year.
As you may know, the '4 inviolable (haram) months (or full moon, if you like)' are well-known, as asserted in the Quran - which are these according to you? 12 months (or full moons, if you like) are to be counted in a year... now, can you please gve me a deatiled calendar, since if you have 12 full moons/months and 4 of them are inviolable/restricted, then you must have a complete calendar. Can you please show me your calendar and provide evidence for this particular calendar to have been followed by Muhammad, his companions (people), earlier prophets, etc.? I am quite sure that they not only counted a year from one summer solstice to the other, then had 4 restricted/inviolable months/full moons and that's it - where did the rest of the timing/calculation go? I thought your calendar/way of counting (using the sun and moon) could calculate THE WHOLE YEAR.
1712 mentions ONLY the day and night as a way to determine the number of years. No full-moon no crescent no any moon. How can you determine the number of years using ONLY the day and night? This is the question. We should not try to change the question to match our preconceptions.
As I said, we need to use our brains... we count as follows night, day... night, day.. night, day... ... ... ... (one lunar cylcle finshed) - and so on. I hope you understood. BTW, you also have used markers, namely, the summer solstices - how are you going to do it without them? You accuse my arguement to be wrong/question it because I said that Muslims use the lunar cycles - this is clearly a double standard.
The answer is that the way to determine the number of years using ONLY the day and night is to count the interval between the longest/shortest day/night (i.e., the solstices). If you have a better answer then I am all of it but dont try to change the question.
Thanks for sharing your personal opinion - please check my last postand my response to your last quote above. If you think that your way is the only possible way or is unique, then please elaborate/refute what I have said.
Note that I am not saying that this is not a possibility/impossible, but it is defintely not THE (only) answer/way to understand this.In order to count, you need to know the population that you are counting out of. This is not about labeling a month XYZ, ABC, KMN... and then repeating again 12 months later the labels XYZ, ABC, KMN... since XYZ, ABC, KMN... are meaningless and you can just as well call ABC as CBA or XYZ or RST. So just repeating the meaningless labels while endlessly continuing to count out of an endless population is not counting 12. This is why the present day sectarian Ramadhan is 100% dependent on when month 1 was. You are now counting month # 17169 and havent stopped the counting at 12. If you took month 2 as month 1 then the present sectarian Ramadhan would have been month 17168 and you would be fasting next month. So as I said, because you havent stopped counting with 12 as ordered in 936 and instead kept counting, your present day month #17169 is tied to your month 1 and can never be independent from it. So you have now been violating 936 for the past 17157 lunar months.
12 lunar cycles/months ----> 1 lunar year
Why do we have years? To make counting of time easier; so why
would you say seventeen-thousand... months? The above example given by you seems very much like a straw man to me.
Besides, who were you addressing with 'you'? I havent been around for that long laughPeace peace
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Peace Muse,
Welcome to the thread and I apologize for the rudeness of Progressive1993. Hopefully, you have read enough of the thread to understand his frustration.
I think that if one reads between the lines, one can see traces of the original timing amongst the corruption. Using Gregorian to Hijri converters, Muharam 1 of the first year of the new era converts to the first new moon crescent after the summer solstice. So originally the marker for the beginning of the year was the summer solstice. If the actual start of Muhrram was the scorching full-moon (shahr ramadhan) then indeed the Muslims would have fasted in the days leading up to and including the tenth of the first month (Muharram). At that time people would have still known the ramadhan/scorching full moon as the event marking the start of Muharram and not as the name of the month. Also, by its name ?Muharam? would make more sense as the first of the restricted period and not the third.
There was definitely no break between the Muslims and the Jews. The relationship soured during the Abbasid period and this is when those traditions about the Jews were invented. On the other hand, the Romans and the Jews themselves speak of a very strong alliance between the Jews and the Arabs well into the Umayyad period. For example, here is what the Jewish Rabbi Simon ben Yohai wrote around 680CE- describing the second king of the Arabs ('Umar I)
?The second king who arises from Ishmael will be a lover of Israel. He restores their breaches and the breaches of the Temple. He hews Mount Moriah, makes it level and builds a mosque (hishtahawaya) there on the Temple rock, as it is said "Your nest is set in the rock."? (Source Hoyland, Seeing Islam as Others Saw it).
Umar was clearly a champion of Zionism. The Romans equally talk in their writings about being invaded by an alliance between the Jews and the Arabs. They speak for example about the Jews and the Arabs upon defeating them and entering Jerusalem going to a place that the Romans used as a dump and cleaning it up and building two shrines side by side, one for the Arabs and one for the Jews. For all we know, Umar himself might have been an Arab-Jew who converted but still harbored Zionist ideas.
I think that the corruption of the timing can be understood in light of this relationship between the Jews and the Arabs (who reverted to their pagan tendencies after the death of the prophet). I briefly provided some thoughts here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9188.msg220236#msg220236
Peace,
Ayman
Regarding this piece of history, I read a historical document called "Story of Heraclius" written by a christian armenian writer of the 7 th century, this writer witnessed some events and related others. Anyway he relates about arab invasion of Jerusalem and Armenia, and he mentionned that the jews of Jerusalem went to the arabs showing them that they were "cousin" by the bible, and there were requesting Mohamad for help against the Romans. Which they did and could take Jerusalem.
here is a link of the translated document in french, originaly translated from armenian.
http//remacle.org/bloodwolf/historiens/sebeos/heraclius.htm
regards
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Peace Nabil,
The great reading didn't descend on our lap from the sky. It came through Muhammed, the messenger of the god. I think that Farida is confused because I said that many of the so-called Sahaba probably didn't exist. Since she hero-worships those people, this made her confused. What I am saying is not something amazing or extra ordinary. For example, many researchers think that Abu Hurayra didn't exist and was invented by later generations.
From the document mentionned before "Story of Heraclius" some sahaba were mentionned and we can find that Othman for example died in a battle, in the arabic history it is not mentionned because they were so ashamed.
peace
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Peace Eid,
http//facstaff.uww.edu/mccreadd/intro9.htm
As explained in the above article there are different theories on the full moon illusion and interesting Azimuth is derived from Arabic ('as-simt', which means direction, referring...Here is the title of the entire article that you refer to
Why the Moon Looks Big at the Horizon
and Smaller When Higher UpSo you admit that the solstice full-moon illusion is due to the full-moon taking a low path accross the horizon. Now use the following website and tell everyone the path that the full-moon took each month and tell us which TWO full-moons took the lowest path
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.phpThe answer is that the TWO full-moons that took the LOWEST path are the full-moons BEFORE and AFTER the summer solstice. This fact is so indisputable that I don't even need to check the data through the link about. However, since you are doubting this then post the data and show me wrong.
FACT is your kill season and full moons "drift" after the solstice from June 21 to July 20...
FACT is your kill season is 100% arbitrary and drifts from January 1 to December 31.
Not redundant, a few days is relative (i.e. a week, a month, a year) and to fast a month is not a big deal.
Great, invent an imaginery meaning for "ma'adoodat"/few (3-10) to match your preconception. As far as I remember, the dictionary didn't say that it is "relative" and that 100 million which is relatively small compared to a Billion can mean "few". What you are saying is nonsense in any language, not just Arabic. If you didn't have your preconception from the sectarian nonsense then you wouldn't be stuck and forced to invent a new illogical meaning.
Please address the question about full moon illusion last year, YES/NO and we can move on to the others.
As I said, post the elevation data for ALL the full moons from last year and tell us which TWO take the lowest path
http//aa.usno.navy.mil/data/docs/AltAz.phpPeace,
Ayman
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Peace Progressive1993,
Why frustration?
Sry, didnt read the whole thing - didnt have much time,
The frustration and lack of patience that as you ADMITTED to Muse prevented you from reading her post properly. This is also the same thing that is preventing you from reading anything properly. The questions that you are asking have been addressed in my post and on PAGE 1 of this long thread. No sense repeating for someone who is not able to read properly no matter what. This is not just a problem on this thread but in all discussions that you participate in. I sincerely suggest that you get tested to see if you suffer from a learning disability so that you can correct it.
Peace,
Ayman
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The frustration and lack of patience that as you ADMITTED to Muse prevented you from reading her post properly. This is also the same thing that is preventing you from reading anything properly. The questions that you are asking have been addressed in my post and on PAGE 1 of this long thread. No sense repeating for someone who is not able to read properly no matter what. This is not just a problem on this thread but in all discussions that you participate in. I sincerely suggest that you get tested to see if you suffer from a learning disability so that you can correct it.
Thank you for your concern. I am delighted.
BTW, at least I can admit mistakes, and what I said about that post where Muse quoted some guy was true.
Instead of attacking me personally the whole time, you could have responded to the followingwe count as follows night, day... night, day.. night, day... ... ... ... (one lunar cylcle finshed) - and so on. I hope you understood. BTW, you also have used markers, namely, the summer solstices - how are you going to do it without them? You accuse my arguement to be wrong/question it because I said that Muslims use the lunar cycles - this is clearly a double standard.
How is your system unique and 'the only one' that fits with 1712? Dont you have markers as well (ie. not only calculate the year with days), namely the summer solstices?
Also, what do you say about what is said in the Bible about fasting in the ninth month of the lunar calendar?
Peace ayman,
I alredy advised him to take a I test.
I am not sure he did )Peace
- That was 'guest' whom you told that.
- We have seen your insightful, ayman-cheering posts
Also, ayman, you are showing very good and respectful arguementation skills by attacking me personally and nagging on this one thing I said about Muse's post, although the part about it being bogus is still true. I have understood and I have corrected what I have said - no need to continue on this. If you are willing to continue with the actual them of this taopic (ramadan), then I am happy to continue discussing.
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Peace Progressive1993,
Thank you for your concern. I am delighted.
BTW, at least I can admit mistakes, and what I said about that post where Muse quoted some guy was true.You are welcome. I would say the same advice to my own brother if he was not reading patiently and correctly. We all have weaknesses and the key is to indentify them so that one can cope with them by devising learning aids. For example, some people are more auditory than visual so reading out loud might help them to understand the text better and not skip things.
Instead of attacking me personally the whole time, you could have responded to the following
How is your system unique and 'the only one' that fits with 1712? Dont you have markers as well (ie. not only calculate the year with days), namely the summer solstices?This is exactly what I am talking about. The way you read, you do not try to put yourself in the shoes of the author or go a layer deeper than superficial reading. You just read "summer solstice" and think that like you (using the moon) I am using a marker not mentioned in 1712, which only mentions "day and night". What you fail to see is that the "summer solstice" is just a convenient label but go a layer deeper and you will see that it stands for "longest day and shortest night". So per 1712, I am ONLY using the night and the day to determine the number of years.
Also, what do you say about what is said in the Bible about fasting in the ninth month of the lunar calendar?
This was already answered by me as well as Rami. You are free to agree or disagree but repeating the same thing and expecting a different result only demonstrates that you have not understood our answers and have nothing further to say. Unlike you, I will not repeat the same thing and expect different results and I will not waste time on providing more info when you have not understood the first ones.
Also, ayman, you are showing very good and respectful arguementation skills by attacking me personally and nagging on this one thing I said about Muse's post, although the part about it being bogus is still true. I have understood and I have corrected what I have said - no need to continue on this. If you are willing to continue with the actual them of this taopic (ramadan), then I am happy to continue discussing.
But we can't continue to discuss if you are not able to read what I ALREADY wrote. I would suggest that you reread what I wrote while trying to put yourself in my shoes and read with a sense of depth. Afterwards, start by making a list of the things that make sense to you from reading what I wrote (doesn't matter if you agree with them or not). Next, make a list of the things that don't make sense to you. Finally, put together the two lists and see if the things that make sense to you can explain what doesn't make sense. If something still doesn't make sense then ask and I will gladly answer. This has nothing to do with agreeing or not agreeing with me. At this stage, it is clear that you don't even understand what I wrote so you are in no position to agree or not agree and this is why you keep going in circles. This is the advice that I would sincerely give to my own brother if he was in your situation.
Peace,
Ayman