Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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What about having the fasting period count the new moon after the summer solstice? has anyone experimented with this idea?
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I just saw that this thread has been going on for nearly 10 years now and just laughed my head off. rotfl
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Peace to all.
Surely for those fasting at the start of the Summer Solstice, the date would be June 13? -
Peace to all.
Surely for those fasting at the start of the Summer Solstice, the date would be June 13?I am waiting reply for this as well peace
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Peace,
according to my understanding, fasting will start on 13th June, and lasts for the next 10 days. Even if the full moon will be visible somehow on 12th in the morning, I believe that we are commanded to fast from the next day. It is because according to Quran and ancient Jewish calendar, day count starts not from the sunrise but from the nightfall and finishes at the sunset, and the day 2 is counted and so on..
So even if moon is observed at some pint during the day, the count should start from the nightfall, does that make sense to you?
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Peace,
Those who advocate 10 days of fasting. What is your argument for this? I am researching on this myself and the whole thing is so vaguely interpreted in the recitation.
God bless you
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Peace,
I have already given the full explanation of my position on that on this threadhttp//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9606402.0
My comparative analysis of Quranic verses and Torah Exodus shows absolute accordance and logic behind revelations of Torah and Quran and gave me instructions that fasting is for 10 days from the full moon after the summer solistice (which will start on 13 July this year).
Of course, this is my research and other people might have other ideas about ramadhan and fasting, but to me it was a striking Eureka moment when I realised that my analysis of the journey of Children of Israel from the land of Phiraun up to the moment they got to the Mountain where Moses received revelation comes to exactly the same conclusion as independent study by brother Ayman who focused purely on semantical analysis of Quranic verses on the subject of fasting and calendar!!! If you are looking for clear cut answers and obvious verses, then you might get disappointed. The whole ramadhan stuff falls into those unclear verses category and the only solution for you is to ponder on verses, ask critical questions and search for answers for yourself.
actually, I agree that the whole ramadhan and fasting issue is just as much ambiguous as the issue where the real Kaaba or even more. I spent really long hours and days and weeks searching and analysing things and I would reccommend you brother a lot of patience and really carefully reading this thread (at least first few dozens of pages lol) and the link I gave you as they deal with very detailed and really complicated matters that you or I never bothered before such as what is the true calendar system, intercelary month,its counting, dvelving on meaning of words such as shahr, nasi, ramadhan etc etd.
After all, what I think matters and God knows best is our intention. If someone came to conclusion after prayers for guidance and pondering on verses and critical and logical analysis that one should fast 3 days in September then let them do it. As long as people do sth based on their genuine intention to follow God and His command after making effort to search for answers then I believe that is fine. But it is not fine to follow others blindly just because they say so or because it's been like this for ages and it is considered as unquestionable truth even though it is illogical.
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A Sunni woman told me today that she fasted yesterday because it was a mandatory "preparation fast". Have I missed something in the scripture?
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A Sunni woman told me today that she fasted yesterday because it was a mandatory "preparation fast". Have I missed something in the scripture?
As far as I know, it's not mandatory for Sunni, but more like special sunnah practice ---> "Fasting in Sha'ban".
http//www.newislamicdirections.com/nid/notes/fasting_during_shaban
http//askaquestionto.us/question-answer/shaban/the-significance-of-fasting-shaban
http//www.islaam.net/main/display.php?id=1719&category=130
http//www.islamicity.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IC0409-2468
http//www.missionislam.com/knowledge/shaban.htm
http//www.dailyhadith.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=69.0
http//www.albalagh.net/general/shaban.shtml
http//www.sunnah.org/ibadaat/shaban/ghunya_shaban_frame.htm
http//salaf-us-saalih.com/2010/07/15/deeds-are-presented-to-allah-during-shaban-today-is-3rd-shabaan/
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As far as I know, it's not mandatory for Sunni, but more like special sunnah practice ---> "Fasting in Sha'ban".
http//www.newislamicdirections.com/nid/notes/fasting_during_shaban
http//askaquestionto.us/question-answer/shaban/the-significance-of-fasting-shaban
http//www.islaam.net/main/display.php?id=1719&category=130
http//www.islamicity.com/Articles/articles.asp?ref=IC0409-2468
http//www.missionislam.com/knowledge/shaban.htm
http//www.dailyhadith.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=69.0
http//www.albalagh.net/general/shaban.shtml
http//www.sunnah.org/ibadaat/shaban/ghunya_shaban_frame.htm
http//salaf-us-saalih.com/2010/07/15/deeds-are-presented-to-allah-during-shaban-today-is-3rd-shabaan/
Ok, thanks for all those links. So her stating that is was "mandatory" has more to do with her families/mosque values in complying with hadith.
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She might think it was mandatory, because as per my experience, "common man" never reads the quran, but only hears and learns by word of mouth what to do and what not to do. People do recite the quran... or rather they imitate the sounds of the Arabic. Typically there is no comprehension what so ever of the text itself.
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People do recite the quran... or rather they imitate the sounds of the Arabic. Typically there is no comprehension what so ever of the text itself.
That's why I learn in English before Arabic. But I really need to take a break from reading and just focus on learning Arabic '(
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Peace,
Such a long thread.
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Some people might not know what the word "mandatory" means.
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Peace and Greeting to all.
Forgive my ignorance in advance. Is ramadan part of the 4 sacred shahr? If so how do we understand this from al Qur'an? -
Peace and Greeting to all.
Forgive my ignorance in advance. Is ramadan part of the 4 sacred shahr? If so how do we understand this from al Qur'an?Salam,
Ramadan is not part of the 4 sacred months (shahr) for hajj because
Ramadan is the month (shahr) of fasting (seyam ) 2185. Therefore how can we observed 3 + 7 days fasting (seyam) 2196 during hajj, if Ramadan is part of the months for hajj?
Rafasu (sexual pleasure between leagal partners) is allowed during the night of Ramadan 2187. And it is not allowed to individuals performing the act of hajj 2196.
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What is the Summer timings for ramadan 2015?
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What is the Summer timings for ramadan 2015?
The timings for Ramadan is based on the count of shahar but not seasons of a year
936
Various efforts were made to define Ramadan literally as the time of summer but my observation is that verse 2185 clearly defines what Ramadan is. Contextually it defines Ramadan as the shahar when Quran descended, so you can keep adding 12 shahar to recount again and again as per 936 I believed there is nothing wrong with the traditional counting as the two counting systems lunar and solar were already in use
Remember companions of the cave please study this verse
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At the end one group count 300 years for the youth stay in the cave while another group counted 309 years 1825
For lunar (shahar) counting method
105
For solar counting method
1712
So if you don?t know the count ask those who keep record, you may refer to 23113 for guidance please
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Muslims who take islamic lunar year serious
loook up the sky to see the so-called ramadan crescent.However, date of the ramadan crescent
in the sky is not the same as in the islamic lunar year.Date of ramadan crescent
2015 17 June (http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2015&country=74)
..630 17 June (http//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=630&country=74)Convert 17 June 630 to islamic lunar year.
Result is 29 Safar 9 AH.
Not 1 Ramadan 9 AH.Which date is the valid one?
