Hot/"ramadan" Answer
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I agree, I'm still not sure God created us for that purpose though, given our purpose seems to be clearly enough stated in 5156.
Anways, I'm sorry... offtopic
Peace,
Yes to worship our lord, part of which is to purify ourselves.
purifying ourselves from falsehood by questioning what we think, believe etc is one way of doing this..life is off topic anyway, its called the natural flow of conversation
peace
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Allah created us to question our beliefs?
No I said the following
Wow you see Zulf this is the response of a believer! This is what Allah created us for!
As a response to bookish humbly deciding to not deem our interpretation wrong without having thoroughly verified himself. Unfortunately many folks including people in this forum lack this blessing from God.
Instead they jump in defense of the paradigm they have been indoctrinated to without verification.So bookish example is the apparent Favor of Allah upon Him and upon every believer whom He grants patience, determination, reason and understanding.
It is a Sign of His Mercy upon believers like bookish. And for that Allah has created them.
Is your question genuine?
The Quran, how do you read it?http//corpus.quran.com/wordbyword.jsp?chapter=11&verse=119#(111191)
11118 And if your Lord (had) willed surely He (could) have made the mankind one community, but not they will cease to differ.
11119 Except (on) whom your Lord has bestowed Mercy, and for that He created them. And will be fulfilled (the) Word of your Lord, "Surely I will fill Hell with the Jinn and the men all together."Those in whose breast lies the Quran knew what I was saying Comrox
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Hi.
I read the first few pages of the discussion and am not satisfied with Ayman's explanations. I'm sorry if these questions have already been answered; I won't be able to read hundreds of pages. 1) Hottest days of summer fluctuates. It's sometimes before summer solstice, and sometimes far after the solstice, like in the latter days of august. So "Ramad=hottest" equation fails. 2) Can you tell which one of the following phases are full moon an which ones are crescent? There's no diving line between phases. It's all continuous. So noone can count exactly 10 days by observing phases. You can count the first 7-8 days (new moon), following 14-16 days (after the line of illumination got past half-mark), and the following 7-8 days (after the line of illumination got past half-mark, diminishing to crescent) though. So, I can't see how one can count 10 days looking at the moon. I'd appreciate any help, thanks. -
"Although we answered several questions, as usual many questions remain. For example, what is the difference, if any, between "3am" and "sana(t)"? Both are equally translated as "year" but this seems unlikely because of 2914 where both are used"
3am means season so Noah stayed with his people one thousand years, less fifty seasons
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"Although we answered several questions, as usual many questions remain. For example, what is the difference, if any, between "3am" and "sana(t)"? Both are equally translated as "year" but this seems unlikely because of 2914 where both are used"
3am means season so Noah stayed with his people one thousand years, less fifty seasons
In Lughat-ul-Quran, Parvez writes that al-sana(t) is called a year of hardship/famine and al-aam a year of greenery and abundance. So may be 2914 is saying that Noah mostly had hardship except for a little time of ease.
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Some say SAVM should be observed for 10 days. They remind Moses's 10 days to support this but I don't see how it's related to SAVM. Look at this picture showing moon phases. Can you count 10 days here? I could count two periods of 7-8 days, where it goes from new moon to half moon, and then half moon to new moon. Maybe I could count 14-16 days half moon to half moon. But how can one count ten days? Can you even tell exactly which one(s) of these is/are full moon? Very subjective.
https//journeytothestars.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/lunar-phases-1-copy.jpg?w=2000&h= -
At-Taubah 36
Number of the shahrs with God is twelve shahrs
We had better start
with what shahr is.Shahr is full moon in the Quran
or rather full moon night such as .Proof is that
in one solar year
sometimes there are 12 shahrs,
sometimes 13.For instance
in 2017 there are 12 shahrs (https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2017&country=74),
in 2018 there are 13 shahrs (https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2018&country=74).If shahr meant 29.5-day long lunar month
13 months would add up to 383.5 days
and 383.5 days would not find enough room in the 365-day long solar year.But there surely is enough room for 13 shahrs in 2018
because shahr is full moon time, that is only 1 night.So whoever from you witness the hot fool moon, shall fast it
You shall fast the hot full moon after you witness it,
that is after July 8 of 2017 (https//www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/2017/july)
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At-Taubah 36
Number of the shahrs with God is twelve shahrs
We had better start
with what shahr is.Shahr is full moon in the Quran
or rather full moon night such as .Proof is that
in one solar year
sometimes there are 12 shahrs,
sometimes 13.For instance
in 2017 there are 12 shahrs (https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2017&country=74),
in 2018 there are 13 shahrs (https//www.timeanddate.com/calendar/?year=2018&country=74).If shahr meant 29.5-day long lunar month
13 months would add up to 383.5 days
and 383.5 days would not find enough room in the 365-day long solar year.But there surely is enough room for 13 shahrs in 2018
because shahr is full moon time, that is only 1 night.So whoever from you witness the hot fool moon, shall fast it
You shall fast the hot full moon after you witness it,
that is after July 8 of 2017 (https//www.calendar-12.com/moon_calendar/2017/july)
and after June 28 of 2018.Why do people try to arbitrarily fit shahrs in solar year? Who said the year had 365 days?
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I don't know how much this will contribute to the discussion but here we go. I live in Southern California and June 19th was the first really day above body temperature reaching 107F. The temperature was intense and it was humid. While waiting outside I witnessed the full moon on its rise from the east looking bright and full. Coincidentally the next day as the first day of summer (summer solstice). Temperatures soared to 45 degrees Celsius (113 F).
It is as if the moon brought the heat with itself. I do not know perhaps it is a Sign for me.2185 shahru ramadana The month/full moon of Ramadhaan
Shiin-ha-Ra = make it notable/known/manifest/public/infamous (in a bad or good sense), hire/contract for a month, stay a month, month old, month, new moon, moon, full moon, any evil thing that exposes its author to disgrace, a vice/fault or the like, big & bulky, reputable/eminent.
Ra-Miim-Dad = to be burning, heat, be blasted by the sun. ramaDda - to sharpen (a spear) between stones, roast, pasture on a burning ground, burn. ramDda - scorching heat, burning hot (ground). ramadzan - the ninth month of Islamic calendar, the month of fast.
I basically witnessed the scorching heat of the full moon/month
Cool!
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In Lughat-ul-Quran, Parvez writes that al-sana(t) is called a year of hardship/famine and al-aam a year of greenery and abundance. So may be 2914 is saying that Noah mostly had hardship except for a little time of ease.
Peace, cannot have 1,000 years of hardship (perhaps in hell/one's head) likewise three separate words/meanings ...
1825 and stay they of in cave theirs three hundred sinna/years (lunar) and increases they of nine of (i.e. those asking the questions add a 9) 1826 say the god knows in what stay they of for him unseen the heavens and the land sees in it and hears not for them from besides him from guardian and not associate in wisdom his anyone of
https//s4.postimg.org/93cbe12ml/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch18v22-v28.jpg
2914 and surely sends we of Noah of to folk his so stay in them thousand sanatin (period of time) except fifty Aama/year of (solar) so seizes them the deluge and they were unjustly
https//s4.postimg.org/v18s7thn1/MA_VI_165_Quran_ch29v10-v18.jpg
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Pease
Sorry I missed this post earlier.
Peace, cannot have 1,000 years of hardship (perhaps in hell/one's head) likewise three separate words/meanings ...
1825 and stay they of in cave theirs three hundred sinna/years (lunar) and increases they of nine of (i.e. those asking the questions add a 9) 1826 say the god knows in what stay they of for him unseen the heavens and the land sees in it and hears not for them from besides him from guardian and not associate in wisdom his anyone of
I guess living in a cave unconscious is not enjoyable time but difficult time.
2914 and surely sends we of Noah of to folk his so stay in them thousand sanatin (period of time) except fifty Aama/year of (solar) so seizes them the deluge and they were unjustly
When a messenger is doing everything to convey the message and people are not listening then it is a difficult time. The verse can be interpreted that most of his life he faced difficult time because the message was not accepted except for a little time.
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I guess living in a cave unconscious is not enjoyable time but difficult time.
When a messenger is doing everything to convey the message and people are not listening then it is a difficult time. The verse can be interpreted that most of his life he faced difficult time because the message was not accepted except for a little time.
Peace, do simple word substitution to see that meaning ascribed by Parvez below is senseless/contradicting...
Quote from Novice on June 24, 2017, 020356 PM
In Lughat-ul-Quran, Parvez writes that al-sana(t) is called a year of hardship/famine and al-aam a year of greenery and abundance. So may be 2914 is saying that Noah mostly had hardship except for a little time of ease.Likewise three separate words Aam/year (solar); sinna/years (lunar); sanatin (time-frames/dates)
1247 said thou cultivating seven sinna/years of hardship/famine? usual of so what harvest you so leave it in corn husk its except little of from what thou eating
1712 and made we of the night and the daytime signs two so erase we of sign the night and made we of sign the daytime visible to thou pursue ye of bounty of from lord yours and to thou know ye of number l-sinna/the years of hardship/famine? and the account and each thing explain we it detailed of
704 ascend the controllers/angels and the spirit toward him in day be measure its fifty thousand sanatin/years of hardship/famine?
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Peace, do simple word substitution to see that meaning ascribed by Parvez below is senseless/contradicting...
Quote from Novice on June 24, 2017, 020356 PM
In Lughat-ul-Quran, Parvez writes that al-sana(t) is called a year of hardship/famine and al-aam a year of greenery and abundance. So may be 2914 is saying that Noah mostly had hardship except for a little time of ease.Likewise three separate words Aam/year (solar); sinna/years (lunar); sanatin (time-frames/dates)
1247 said thou cultivating seven sinna/years of hardship/famine? usual of so what harvest you so leave it in corn husk its except little of from what thou eating
1712 and made we of the night and the daytime signs two so erase we of sign the night and made we of sign the daytime visible to thou pursue ye of bounty of from lord yours and to thou know ye of number l-sinna/the years of hardship/famine? and the account and each thing explain we it detailed of
704 ascend the controllers/angels and the spirit toward him in day be measure its fifty thousand sanatin/years of hardship/famine?
Peace Noon
Here is what Parvez explained in his Lughat ul Quran. All the meanings you gave for three words are given by him as well. What he wrote is that a usage of AAM and Sinina is also time of hardship and time of abundance.
W-N-S
?ا ?as-sanah) means years (its plurals are ?
? ,(sanawat ? (
? and) sinoon ? (
.(sineen ?(
There is some difference of opinion about its root. One school of thought says that its root is (S-N-H)
because the Arabs say ?ف ? saanahtu fulana) which means that I cut a deal with him on yearly
rate.
Ibn Faris says the real meaning of ?ن ? sanah) is dependent on a period of time.
?ن ? sanahatan nakhlah) many years passed on the date palm. A second opinion says that its
root is ?
ن ? sano) from which ?ی ?yasnu) has been derived, which means to go round and round a
well.
?ا ?as-saaniyah) means an animal which is made to go round and round a well in order to bring
water out .
?ا ?as-sanah) means one orbit of the sun. This is also called ? د ? daar), and since this orbit takes a
full year, therefore ?ا ?as-sinah) means one year.
?ا ?as-sanah) is a solar year while ?
ا ?al-a?am) is a lunar year.
?ا ?as-sanah) also means a year when there is drought and intensity, and ?
ا ?al-a?am) is a year
when there is prosperity and good harvest .
2914 And he lived fifty less than one thousand years
among his peopleHere ?
ا ? a?ama) is the period without hardships and ?
ن ? sanah) is the period when there were
hardships.
Lane says ?
ن ? sanah) also means crop of which there are four harvest in a year.
?ا ?alfa sanatin) means two hundred fifty years, and ? ع ? a?am) is one full year. So if ?
?
(khamseen aama) are taken out from it, it leaves us with two hundred years, which could be a man?s age.
But these are all conjectures. When more historical facts come forth it will become clear what the Quran
meant to say that Nooh lived fifty less than one thousand years among his people (2914). Some say this
is his period of messenger-hood, which commenced from the the era of an earlier messenger of Allah.
?? or) sannah ? (
ت ?tasniah) opened it, facilitated it, made it easy {T, M, R}.
Source http//qes.no/Lughat/LughatVolum-II.pdf
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Peace Noon
Here is what Parvez explained in his Lughat ul Quran. All the meanings you gave for three words are given by him as well. What he wrote is that a usage of AAM and Sinina is also time of hardship and time of abundance.
Peace Novice, he/they are all over the place -- do you see the clear contradiction with below?
1247 said thou cultivating/harvesting seven sinna/years of hardship/famine?
Likewise with this receipt for sheep Perf-558 was year "22" (25 April 643 CE) bad/good year?
shahru jumada the first from sanatin twosome and twenty (i.e. 22) and written his son hadidu
https//s3.postimg.org/u5wb0wv0j/Perf-558.jpg
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Peace Noon
What I understood from his Lughat is that Aam and Sinina were also used as years of hardship/famine or years of ease/abundabce. It does not mean that this usage is for each and every instance.
How would you translate/understand verse 2914?
Peace Novice, need to study nan (Noah of/a Noah); likewise 4615 ashuddahu/vigor his and reach forty (it's different uses) cross-reference especially with 1882 and as for the wall so it was for boys two yatmayni/orphaned two ... so intended lord your that reached dual ashuddahum/vigor theirs dual (40 year old orphans?) perhaps forty in context pertains to 40 cell divisions/iterations and is about aging; see Hayflick limit.
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Peace,
You are making things too complicated for yourself. The god simply tells us in 1712 to use the day and night to know the number of years. No need for conjecture about eclipses or things to supposedly align with the galaxy center. The ONLY way to use the day and night to know the number of years is if we take the year as the interval between longest/shortest day/night, in other words the interval between solstices. THERE IS SIMPLY NO OTHER WAY TO APPLY 1712 PERIOD.
That is not true as we could pick the interval between equinoxes. What speaks against this? Can you explain also why it can't be any other days?
Also, how would the intercalary period work - what happens if a 13th full moon appears. How exactly would one account for that, how long, etc.?
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Salaam!
So who is fasting now?
I jumped from thread 120 to 285 just to ask the question.
May Allah bless us all.
The correct question is not who is fasting now,
but why are muslims blind to God's truth?And God's truth is that each full moon appears only in its own season;
so the fasting full moon
no matter which particular one it is
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The correct question is not who is fasting now,
but why are muslims blind to God's truth?And God's truth is that each full moon appears only in its own season;
so the fasting full moon
no matter which particular one it is
appears only in one particular season of the year.No need to of a calendar. Wrong translations will lead to this kind of threads
See the gods truth to which Muslims will be blind forever
http//quranstruelight.com/thematic-translation-installments-1-35-in-english/crucial-themes-of-fasting-and-pilgrimage-installment-8