Is there a single Muslim on this whole website?
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Salateh is not particularly clear unless you are dishonest.
If interpretations are wrong you may think you derive the right one, but that does not need to be so. And I hardly treat the scripture lightly and that is why I am devoted to the work I am committed to. I do not want to stare at a lot of lies.
Salaam
Even though I don't pray 5 times a day myself I do think it's clear that it is required at least 3 times a day explicitly and 5 implicitly. However I believe it's Gods grace that he doesn't state a punishment for not praying 5 times a day strictly. Maybe this is a test to differentiate between those who get the top level of paradise those who are nearest to God.
I accept that my understanding of the Quran may be wrong. I am always open to correction and have corrected myself through the reading of others opinions and thoughts. However I feel you reach a point where there is less and less of a doubt about the understanding of the Quran you have. For me this is because it all fits, it all makes sense. Whereas before an explanation may have simply fulfilled your own desire and thoughts of what God was like in order for you to justify it others and yourself.
Reading your posts I feel you haven't thought through things properly. My suggestion is that you clear out your biases and re-read the Quran.
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Salateh is not particularly clear unless you are dishonest.
If interpretations are wrong you may think you derive the right one, but that does not need to be so. And I hardly treat the scripture lightly and that is why I am devoted to the work I am committed to. I do not want to stare at a lot of lies.
Salaam
Why do you think they are lies and don't think that the interpretation of the New Testament stuff and all the spiritual stuff you believe are lies?
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Because the interpretation is clearly unrighteous. In its present shape, despite errors in portrayal over what individual words mean (such as Father, son etc), New Testament, at least the four canonical Gospels, portray the faith far more accurately than available interpretations of Quran.
Knowledge that used to be with people seems lost somehow concerning the dynamics of the phenomenon of God which was with Moses already 4000 years ago. If one found the stone tablets with the "Commandments" and then interpreted it just as it was intended when it was inscribed then they would see on the very first line and on the second about not making an image of the phenomenon of Allah (or Elohim as it says in that text).
And you could then immediately see the error in the ritual salateh too and also the even grosser error in praying towards a building in the desert of Arabia.
Salaam
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I have read Quran lots of times and I also research on it and I am sure I have as little bias as one can have, Ted. Because I detach myself from all traditions, lexicons and other sources, and instead learn the language from itself by letting it speak itself.
Salaam
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Because the interpretation is clearly unrighteous. In its present shape, despite errors in portrayal over what individual words mean (such as Father, son etc), New Testament, at least the four canonical Gospels, portray the faith far more accurately than available interpretations of Quran.
Knowledge that used to be with people seems lost somehow concerning the dynamics of the phenomenon of God which was with Moses already 4000 years ago. If one found the stone tablets with the "Commandments" and then interpreted it just as it was intended when it was inscribed then they would see on the very first line and on the second about not making an image of the phenomenon of Allah (or Elohim as it says in that text).
And you could then immediately see the error in the ritual salateh too and also the even grosser error in praying towards a building in the desert of Arabia.
Salaam
Why is that considered bad? It would be bad if people think that is God, but its just an organized direction so that people aren't looking up at the sky or in all kinds of directions.
Also why do you think that gospel interpretation is "more accurate", like what do you base it on that you think one is more accurate than another?
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We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do. -
Why is that considered bad? It would be bad if people think that is God, but its just an organized direction so that people aren't looking up at the sky or in all kinds of directions.
Also why do you think that gospel interpretation is "more accurate", like what do you base it on that you think one is more accurate than another?
2144
We have seen the turning of thy face to heaven (for guidance, O Muhammad). And now verily We shall make thee turn (in prayer) toward a qiblah which is dear to thee. So turn thy face toward the Inviolable Place of Worship, and ye (O Muslims), wheresoever ye may be, turn your faces (when ye pray) toward it. Lo! Those who have received the Scripture know that (this revelation) is the Truth from their Lord. And Allah is not unaware of what they do.Peace
Easy stuff!
We know that the Qiblah was Jerusalem, the direction that all previous Prophets and messengers
faced during prayer, but then2/143 And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness
to the people and (that) the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make
that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the
Messenger from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those
whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most
surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people.Muhammad fond of Mecca
2/144 Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a
qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever
you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely
know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.Masjid Al Qiblatain (Mosque of the two Qiblas)
Masjid al-Qiblatain ( ن (Mosque of the two Qiblas) is a mosque in Medina that is
historically important for Muslims as the place where the Islamic prophet Muhammad,
leading the prayer, is said to have been commanded to change the direction of prayer
(qibla) from Jerusalem to Mecca. Thus it uniquely contained two prayer niches (mihrabs).
Recently the mosque was renovated; the old prayer niche facing Jerusalem was removed,
and the one facing Mecca was left.God bless you
peace
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Peace
Easy stuff!
We know that the Qiblah was Jerusalem, the direction that all previous Prophets and messengers
faced during prayer, but then2/143 And thus We have made you a medium (just) nation that you may be the bearers of witness
to the people and (that) the Messenger may be a bearer of witness to you; and We did not make
that which you would have to be the qiblah but that We might distinguish him who follows the
Messenger from him who turns back upon his heels, and this was surely hard except for those
whom Allah has guided aright; and Allah was not going to make your faith to be fruitless; most
surely Allah is Affectionate, Merciful to the people.Muhammad fond of Mecca
2/144 Indeed We see the turning of your face to heaven, so We shall surely turn you to a
qiblah which you shall like; turn then your face towards the Sacred Mosque, and wherever
you are, turn your face towards it, and those who have been given the Book most surely
know that it is the truth from their Lord; and Allah is not at all heedless of what they do.Masjid Al Qiblatain (Mosque of the two Qiblas)
Masjid al-Qiblatain ( ن (Mosque of the two Qiblas) is a mosque in Medina that is
historically important for Muslims as the place where the Islamic prophet Muhammad,
leading the prayer, is said to have been commanded to change the direction of prayer
(qibla) from Jerusalem to Mecca. Thus it uniquely contained two prayer niches (mihrabs).
Recently the mosque was renovated; the old prayer niche facing Jerusalem was removed,
and the one facing Mecca was left.God bless you
peace
So are you one who turns towards the qiblah at Mecca too?
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So are you one who turns towards the qiblah at Mecca too?
Yep! I face Mecca during salat, I mean c'mon when I was Christian in congregation,
we rose from our seats facing the podium and said prayers (one direction).
Now that I'm Muslim, the ritual prayer is different, with no chairs we face one
direction and perform salat. It's just plain nuts to have a hundred people facing
in different directions. To do it otherwise reminds me of the three stooges who
couldn't get out of each others way.https//encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcTkPHEbwPZVGOCBEnOTL9q37Ei4zmeHL2ggyWrKN7N-7t_pvNS9
God bless you
peace
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Peace FreedomStands.
I tried to work out where GOD is, so I can turn facing Him( No gender intended with HIM/HE/...). According to Jews and Christians He lives in the sky above Jerusalem. According to the "Muslims" He lives in the sky above Mecca. According to me He is nearer to me than my jugular vein, He is also everywhere.
Those who pray to Him have to face a direction! Can you imagine the chaos if a group of people praying together faced any way they liked?
Those who do not believe in prayer/ritual and meditate also have to face a certain direction, even if they meditate upside down?
I follow Qoran , I face the window in my house which happens to face the direction of where the sun rises ,which faces Mecca...
The earth is moving ,while praying I am possibly facing all the direction/s the earth is while moving with me,my window,Mecca, thinking I/they am/are standing still.
I agree with Hawk . However,there are exceptions when in danger and you pray in your head/travelling/ill in bed.... i.e there is a danger for you to pray facing Mecca!!
GOD bless you.
Peace.
GOD bless you -
Yep! I face Mecca during salat, I mean c'mon when I was Christian in congregation,
we rose from our seats facing the podium and said prayers (one direction).
Now that I'm Muslim, the ritual prayer is different, with no chairs we face one
direction and perform salat. It's just plain nuts to have a hundred people facing
in different directions. To do it otherwise reminds me of the three stooges who
couldn't get out of each others way.https//encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbnANd9GcTkPHEbwPZVGOCBEnOTL9q37Ei4zmeHL2ggyWrKN7N-7t_pvNS9
God bless you
peace
Great! Then you and me and Arman are at least 3 Muslims on this website.
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Peace FreedomStands.
I tried to work out where GOD is, so I can turn facing Him( No gender intended with HIM/HE/...). According to Jews and Christians He lives in the sky above Jerusalem. According to the "Muslims" He lives in the sky above Mecca. According to me He is nearer to me than my jugular vein, He is also everywhere.
Those who pray to Him have to face a direction! Can you imagine the chaos if a group of people praying together faced any way they liked?
Those who do not believe in prayer/ritual and meditate also have to face a certain direction, even if they meditate upside down?
I follow Qoran , I face the window in my house which happens to face the direction of where the sun rises ,which faces Mecca...
The earth is moving ,while praying I am possibly facing all the direction/s the earth is while moving with me,my window,Mecca, thinking I/they am/are standing still.
I agree with Hawk . However,there are exceptions when in danger and you pray in your head/travelling/ill in bed.... i.e there is a danger for you to pray facing Mecca!!
GOD bless you.
Peace.
GOD bless youVery good! I do too. Of course I don't believe it if people think that Allah is some object above Mecca, but I believe Allah is closer to us than our jugular vein as you and the Qur'an have said. This direction distinguishes us from people who seem to be unable to do turn that way for whatever reason.
They might think we somehow "worship Mecca" but we know for certain that we only worship Allah.
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Muslims" He lives in the sky above Mecca. According to me He is nearer to me than my jugular vein, He is also everywhere.
Those who do not believe in prayer/ritual and meditate also have to face a certain direction, even if they meditate upside down?
I agree
Allah is sufficient, The Quran informs us who/what Allah is by his attributes and those
who state who/what Allah is outside of his attributes only guess/conjecture.i.e there is a danger for you to pray facing Mecca!!
Peace good logic
What is the danger of facing Mecca?
Under unusual circumstances, you may pray while walking or riding. Once you are
safe, you shall commemorate GOD as He taught you what you never knew.God bless you
peace
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Well Freedom, turning their faces is a very imaginative translation to say the least. Qiblateh means role model or front figure. If your Qiblateh is almasjed al-haraam is means that is your role model. It is inconsistent that that is a building then. But if you have the "Commandments" (I call them guidelines which I deem a better interpretation) that is obviously your role model.
Almasjed Al-haram means to "do what is good/sanctified" basically, as a compound word. Watchword could be another understanding. It speaks of doing what is goodly nevertheless.
Somehow the list of commandments were lost somehow on the way despite that Jesus was very mentioning about it. Here you have the reason why they are not mentioned in Quran as to have focus on them.
It is fairly intriguing why such could be turned into a Pagan idol from an innocent word just as the innocent salateh could be turned into a ritual despite that it refers to your ways, behavior or lifestyle.
Salaam
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Well Freedom, turning their faces is a very imaginative translation to say the least. Qiblateh means role model or front figure. If your Qiblateh is almasjed al-haraam is means that is your role model. It is inconsistent that that is a building then. But if you have the "Commandments" (I call them guidelines which I deem a better interpretation) that is obviously your role model.
Almasjed Al-haram means to "do what is good/sanctified" basically, as a compound word. Watchword could be another understanding. It speaks of doing what is goodly nevertheless.
Somehow the list of commandments were lost somehow on the way despite that Jesus was very mentioning about it. Here you have the reason why they are not mentioned in Quran as to have focus on them.
It is fairly intriguing why such could be turned into a Pagan idol from an innocent word just as the innocent salateh could be turned into a ritual despite that it refers to your ways, behavior or lifestyle.
Salaam
Is "Haram" the word you're translating to mean "Good"?
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Well Freedom, turning their faces is a very imaginative translation to say the least. Qiblateh means role model or front figure. If your Qiblateh is almasjed al-haraam is means that is your role model. It is inconsistent that that is a building then. But if you have the "Commandments" (I call them guidelines which I deem a better interpretation) that is obviously your role model.
Almasjed Al-haram means to "do what is good/sanctified" basically, as a compound word. Watchword could be another understanding. It speaks of doing what is goodly nevertheless.
Somehow the list of commandments were lost somehow on the way despite that Jesus was very mentioning about it. Here you have the reason why they are not mentioned in Quran as to have focus on them.
It is fairly intriguing why such could be turned into a Pagan idol from an innocent word just as the innocent salateh could be turned into a ritual despite that it refers to your ways, behavior or lifestyle.
Salaam
Peace Man of Faith,
Any proof for the above, any ayats? Where do you get these definitions? Do you
make them up yourself? Do you have your own personal version of Islam (hislam)?
What is your translation of 2/144?Peace Man of Faith, mmkhan, what is your Arabic word meaning "kill"?
Did you find your Arabic word meaning kill?
God bless you
peace
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Peace Man of Faith,
Any proof for the above, any ayats? Where do you get these definitions? Do you
make them up yourself? Do you have your own personal version of Islam (hislam)?
What is your translation of 2/144?Did you find your Arabic word meaning kill?
God bless you
peace
Man of Faith has an interesting technique where he paints the meanings of words by the meanings he takes each letter to have (based on apparent observation or something) and then combines those single letter meanings together to come to what he believes is the meaning of the word. I'm also very curious in finding out how he comes to the letter meanings and what words he looks at with those letters to figure out the meaning of each individual letter or whatever the technique may be.
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Hawk99,
The "proof" is in the language itself. It is distorted in interpretation and does not say half of what traditional ones do. Obviously I do not come up with anything out of my imagination, but I use a method to derive the meanings from the language itself. The so-called "initials" of Quran have been a great help in knowing how.
2144 speaks of confusion in faith and it says that there is no confusion since they have the model of the "Commandments". And it says the scholars know this very well, but they are lost wandering in their little bubble.
It is obviously not my personal "Islam", but the one that Quran is teaches beneath all the mud it is buried in.
Salaam
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Hawk99,
The "proof" is in the language itself. It is distorted in interpretation and does not say half of what traditional ones do. Obviously I do not come up with anything out of my imagination, but I use a method to derive the meanings from the language itself. The so-called "initials" of Quran have been a great help in knowing how.
2144 speaks of confusion in faith and it says that there is no confusion since they have the model of the "Commandments". And it says the scholars know this very well, but they are lost wandering in their little bubble.
It is obviously not my personal "Islam", but the one that Quran is teaches beneath all the mud it is buried in.
Salaam
How did you figure out the meaning of the initials at the start of some verses of the Qur'an?
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Man of Faith has an interesting technique where he paints the meanings of words by the meanings he takes each letter to have (based on apparent observation or something) and then combines those single letter meanings together to come to what he believes is the meaning of the word. I'm also very curious in finding out how he comes to the letter meanings and what words he looks at with those letters to figure out the meaning of each individual letter or whatever the technique may be.
) Mysticism? Sufism? Nonsense? Something else?
The "proof" is in the language itself.
Salaamo So terribly unclear. Any proof for the above, any ayats?
Again, Did you find your Arabic word meaning kill?
God bless you
peace
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Peace Hawk.
A simple answer can be- When in danger of being attacked from behind-.
A funny answer can be- when you loose all sense of direction-/ Or you are in a strange place,you forgotten your afternoon prayer until the last minute before sunset and you have no time to confirm the direction .
GOD bless you.
Peace.