First Letters in some Chapters
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Peace all,
Quran claims that it is fully detailed and clear. Then it has these cryptic initials which are supposed to have meanings but those meanings have not been explained anywhere in al-quran. All attempts to explain the meanings of those initials have been based purely on conjecture and fabrication. Why does a message that claims to be of divine origin and claims it is fully detailed and clear, leave out the meanings of the initials? Does not make any sense.
Logically this can only mean the following possibilities
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The original quran was fully detailed and clear but part of the quran containing the meanings of the initials was deliberately deleted by humans at some time soon after revelation. The discovery and presence of Sana'a manuscripts makes this possibility very likely.
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The original quran was not fully detailed and clear and there is a contradiction between its claim of being fully detailed and clear and presence of cryptic initials in it, the meanings of which are not detailed and clarified in it.
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The original quran was fully detailed and clear, and the cryptic initials were added to it later on by humans.
No matter which way one looks at this, the current quranic text does not seem to be fully detailed and clear. I am patiently awaiting the archeological discovery of the complete original text of al-quran for this issue to be resolved.
May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.
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Who is admitting to what? I have not admitted anything except what I wrote and not what words you put in my mouth.
When you have nothing better than you must use 'trial and error' method and it is how scientific research is performed. It is how the answer is gained when you need to test theses.
Because I do not have any source for the meaning of the letters I have to test and find the meaning on my own. Conjecture implies that you are working on something that is not true and you can of course call it conjecture if you like, but it is your opinion. I call the traditional interpretation as likewise unfounded and conjecture to most part.
I knew you were after just finding ways to put me down, but I am not dishonest in my ways and you are not even reflecting upon it yourself and you seem oblivious to what I stated in this thread concerning especially the chapters 38 and 68. Unfortunately for you, you will not manage to put me down because the "innate letter meaning" is true and this is how these semitic languages are built around. And as I become more skilled at this you will have less to say against it.
You have not even tried to understand what I am conveying and it is NOT RANDOM MEANINGS but individual letters have only one meaning and one word has only one meaning and the word's meaning depends on the letters used. The 'trial and error' is to find the right meaning of the letters and the way there is by studying already securely and safely defined words. It is not conjecture because the research is not unfounded but actually based on the study of this language called Arabic. I rather call it unbiased language study.
I wrote somewhere else in response to you that the fajr translation was from two different sources and I based my study on the 'Monotheist Translation' and I said I would correct that with not referring to dawn.
And in 11114, I did not at all omit the phrase you claim. It is only that it does not mean what you and traditional sources imply.
And wrong, I have not changed the meaning of aqum asalateh once since October-14. Only perhaps said it refers to perception or ways but that is only to define it more accurately. It does not refer to some connection or what garbage you like to ascribe to it.
And I have no problem with 1187 anymore. It is solved. Shu'aybs perception makes him determined/decided about the ways of his people.
And no, I will not stop to discover the true nature of the Rabb and the correct interpretation of Quran. That is against the good.
And I do not present fabrications and you can be fabricator yourself with your interpretation acrobatics.
Salaam
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Truth,
The letters are not cryptic but quite forth-telling. The meaning of them are in the very letters themselves. You will still find the initials in original copies because they are part of the revelation.
And without in chapter 38 the phrase
would not make any sense. But I suppose you cannot understand that in your little box.
Salaam
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Peace Man of Faith,
THE ARABIC LETTERS HAVING A CERTAIN MEANING DOES NOT IMPLY THAT THE MEANINGS INVENTED AND FABRICATED BY YOU ARE CORRECT.
Stop deceiving others by your fabricated meanings and translations or at least have the integrity to say that it is just a conjecture everytime you present one of your fabricated meanings.
Ahh ..... I see you have changed the meaning of salat YET AGAIN to "perception" in 1187 and completely twisted what 1187 is saying. You realized that "minding ways" will not make sense as the meaning of salat in 1187 so you fabricated yet another meaning.
Only in your wonderland "fajr" can mean "wickedness". And only in your wonderland one has to mind ways only until the murkiness of the night, instead of 24/7
1778 Mind the behavior till the setting of the sun; to the murkiness of the night; and recitation at "dawn" - recitation at "dawn" is kept.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605447.msg358252#msg358252
Actually according to you, it should be "recitation at wickedness".
You keep saying you will "correct" your translations but have not given your COMPLETE "CORRECTED" translations of 1187, 11114, 1778, 2458, 3356.
Do you really think this garbage and nonsense will fly with intelligent people? You are really losing your credibility by making translations which are not backed by evidence.
Bring forth your evidence if you are truthful.
2875 And We will extract from every nation a witness, then We will say ?Bring forth your proof.? They will then realize that all truth belongs with God, and what they had invented will abandon them.
Oh wait ..... 2875 means something completely different according to your fabricated innate letter meanings right?
You can keep fabricating and inventing the letter meanings and deceiving others but I have exposed your deception in great detail. Readers can go though all the evidence I presented and make up their own minds. You are underestimating the intelligence of people on this forum and actually you are deceiving yourself.
May the infinite Creator guide us to the truth.
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Sorry to say this, after three pages I still dont think u guys answered my question. I think i asked a wrong way, here i will quote again.
In Chapter 02, the chapter starts with "Alef Lam Meem" how would someone who never listened to a Sheikh Reading would be able to read that?
I mean suppose there is an Arabian Christian, can he read the Quran correctly without help of Sheikh? would he read "Alam" instead of "Alef Lam Meem" like how we read in Surat Al Feel "Alam tara kaifa...etc" its written same way.
If yes whats the prove, if not whats the prove.
anyone around here does have knowledge about the above subject?
Lets assume I am a Christian and have PhD in Arabic language. I never listened to any shaikh reading the Quran! How I would know how i should read and pronounce the first three letters in chapter 2. "Alam" or "Alef Laam Meem" ? If the second, why I dont read it the same way in Surat Al Feel? Because in all my studies of arabic language I have no other example to read the letters
As Alef Laam Meem except in Quran! Does that mean If i cant listen or never listened the Quran I cant read the first letters of chapter 2 correctly? If anyone can read Arabic I can write my question in Arabic its easier for me to explain what I mean.
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It is a word and alam occurs elsewhere in Quran as well including in the speak between Allah and the angels in the same chapter.
Alam in the beginning of the chapter is supposed to be part of the following sentence.Salaam
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Truthseeker,
I refine the meaning to what it really means, if you pardon me. It is often hard to put English words to the Arabic ones.
Salaam
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Peace Abdulaziz Mohammed.
Was the answer not simple enough?
It does not matter how you read it. the "ALM" initials will not make sense because they are not part of a sentence. The sentence starts after them!!!
"Alam tara" goes with its own sentence and together they make sense.
But "ALAM, Tilka aayatu alkitabb... does not make sense.
I am no expert in Arabic, a while ago, I did not know any Arabic,and even I can tell!
GOD bless you.
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From where the knowledge comes is what the passage says in beginning of chapter two. It is supposed to give away how one acquires knowledge about the realm of Allah. The following passages say what life changes one has to do to be realized in Allah.
Salaam
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Peace Abdulaziz Mohammed.
Was the answer not simple enough?
It does not matter how you read it. the "ALM" initials will not make sense because they are not part of a sentence. The sentence starts after them!!!
"Alam tara" goes with its own sentence and together they make sense.
But "ALAM, Tilka aayatu alkitabb... does not make sense.
I am no expert in Arabic, a while ago, I did not know any Arabic,and even I can tell!
GOD bless you.
Peace.Peace be upon you.
You said does not make sense. Now the christian should read it "Alam" tilka aayatu alkitab or he should read it "Alef Laam Meem" telka ayatul kitab? Which one is correct, dont tell me both are the same ! If yes, whats the evidence? Can u read arabic? Can i ask my question in Arabic?
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Peace Abdulaziz Mohammed.
I am saying it does not matter how one reads it.
When it comes to finding the meaning of it ,you know it has not got the same meaning as"ALAM TARA,,," "ALAM NAJAAL,,,"
GOD bless you.
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Peace Abdulaziz Mohammed.
I am saying it does not matter how one reads it.
When it comes to finding the meaning of it ,you know it has not got the same meaning as"ALAM TARA,,," "ALAM NAJAAL,,,"
GOD bless you.
Peace.So you are saying both of them are right? if one reads "Alam" thaleka al ketab la rayb feel and another reads "Alef Lam Meem" thaleka el kebab la rayb feeh. they r the same ? hmmm thats weird! so quran can be read two ways and both are correct!!!
So the verse was revealed to Prophet Mohammed twice? one with "ALEF LAM MEEM" and the other "ALAM" if not, the it matters how you read it, or not?
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Peace Abdulaziz Mohammed.
People with different dialects read things wrong most of the time. The meaning of what one reads is the most important .
If one does not understand what they are reading ,of course it does not matter!
However if one says /reads the pronunciation wrong ,but understands the meaning of what they are reading, the aim is achieved.
Most of the time ,if they seek the understanding, they will be corrected to read it right.GOD bless you
Peace.