Modern (Re) Take on: Life after Life
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I find the id?a of one God/Allah to be logical. I find it hard to accept that we are all an cosmic accident. I don't have any evidence for God's existance which is why I believe. But then I could care less about religion and faith in general.
The evidence of "God's existence" is within the existence itself.
Religious people think that there are one (or more) human like deity sitting in heaven above the cloud who looked down below to earth and manage everything like a human king.
And now people is trying to find an evidence of such "human like deity".. which of course they cannot find because the idea by itself is preposterous.
Human now have received a revelation that "distance" (read space) and "time" is correlated and both are actually a "creation".
Maybe an afterlife does not exist but should anybody care? I don't think anyone wants to have an infinite life.
Perhaps the 'infinite' is the true realm of existence that nobody cannot escape.
As "Limitation of space and limitation of time" by itself is a creation.Thus the "afterlife" can also actually be a "before life"...
That said religion must not be given any more attention than it already has.
All religion is now dying..
Also one thing I would like to say is that whether God and an afterlife exists or not it is still important to do good for others. Maybe people die and disintegrate into energy while consciousness fails to survive and ceases to exist (we get wiped out for good basically), but the least thing one could do is to do good for the next generation to come. That is what I believe in.
Agree..
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If you hate a part of creation then you also hate part of creator.
That's according to you, Jafar.
As for me, I have an opinion that, even the Creator can hate or angry at His creations.
Somehow I feel that you do not support the Qur'an fully, and it seems you don't like the character of Allah (God Who is described in the Qur'an).
We will know the truth about what will happen to us after death, inshaAllah.
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As for me, I have an opinion that, even the Creator can hate or angry at His creations.
Your creator is a weird creator and it seems like a 'human' creator.
My creator controls everything, none can happened if it's not within my creator's plan.
Thus "hate" or "angry" is irrelevant for my creator, because my creator controls everything.
It's as such because all creation depends / rely on my creator, automatically and naturally.
Including... you..We will know the truth about what will happen to us after death, inshaAllah.
Of course, and it's not so far away in time isn't it?
And by then you shall received your own revelation that the things that you mentioned above doesn't really matter.
Although we might not have a chance to discuss about it... because by then none of us really do care about it..
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Faith in a God is irrelevant. It is not about believing in God but rather about doing good for others.
Bold I don't force you to think otherwise.
Perhaps you (or other people who think similar) could say as such, as much as you want,
however do not forget that we still not reach "that moment", the important moment when we eventually know whether faith in God is really important or not.
We still not meet that day.
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Your creator is a weird creator and it seems like a 'human' creator.
We were created by the same Creator.
Do you have respect for my Creator? Who is also your Creator.
My creator controls everything, none can happened if it's not within my creator's plan.
I agree.
Thus "hate" or "angry" is irrelevant for my creator, because my creator controls everything.
That's irrelevant with your previous sentence.
I think that Allah can hate if He wills, nothing can stop Him from doing what He wills.
And by then you shall received your own revelation that the things that you mentioned above doesn't really matter.
You do not know what shall happen to me. We still not meet that time.
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We were created by the same Creator.
Do you have respect for my Creator? Who is also your Creator.
I think that Allah can hate if He wills, nothing can stop Him from doing what He wills.You do not know what shall happen to me. We still not meet that time.
This is how I respect My creator.
Every strokes that you do to your keyboard and strokes that I do on my keyboard it's as planned by My creator. My creator doesn't hate or be angry at you or me because of it as it's all happening according to my creator's plan. It's as planned by My creator that you shall have such opinion at this point in time.
I exactly do not know why My creator planned as such, and frankly it's actually irrelevant for me to know what is actually the actual plan of My creator. Sometimes I understand why my creator planned such event and many other times I don't understand.
And that's why I ACCEPT that you're having such opinion at this point in time.
Because of such acceptance attitude, I DO NOT HATE you, as my creator also do not hate you.
On contrary I LOVE YOU as my creator also LOVE YOU.
If I Hate You than I will also be hating a part of My creator.I don't know what shall happened to you and perhaps I will never do.
As it's My creator's business to take care of you and not mine.
But I believe My creator is a loving creator, My creator is the kindest of all kindest, the caring of all caring.
That's why I believe or I have an assumption that your "after life" will be just fine.
Regardless of any opinion that you might have during this life...
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Jafar,
The introduction line in Quran is "Bismillah 'AL-RAHMAN' 'AL-RAHJEEM'. Worth to be pondered upon for some people.
For people who know more it is worth pondering upon the phrase's meaning itself. Because the phrase literally means "With a spirit thereof "Be As It" Benevolent(ly) Merciful". Allah is the third person form of "I am that am I" which GOD said to Moses when Moses wondered about the nature of GOD. Allah comes from the root Alif-Lam-Lam and means nearness to/such as (check a lexicon if you do not believe me) and Allah is formed from a compound of two words with the same root, i.e. Allah is Alif-Lam-Lam x 2 and one of them as the definite prefix AL. The is a third person pronoun suffix (he/she/it) in the word Allah. The Lam is probably an emphasis of Elah, forming ALlah as the "la Elah ila Allah" = "To be as it is to (really) be as it" (emphasis lost in translation as I added 'really'.
I hope some see the connection between the "I am who am I" and the word elah/allah. GOD according to that text also told Moses to go to the 'Children of Israel' and say "I AM (me) has sent me", i.e. demonstrative pronoun. Ali (Aleh) comes from there. You see it may look like Moses sent himself, but the Rabb is symbiotic with him.
You also see my ability to explain these phenomena becomes better by day.
Salaam
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Peace All.
Life after life , let Qoran speak
Defining/explaining Why there will be a day of judgement first, followed by the next life
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We will certainly question those who received the message, and we will question the messengers.77
We will inform them authoritatively, for we were never absent.78
The scales will be set on that day, equitably. Those whose weights are heavy will be the winners.79
As for those whose weights are light, they will be the ones who lost their souls,* as a consequence of disregarding our revelations, unjustly.725
He said, "On it you will live, on it you will die, and from it you will be brought out."104
To Him is your ultimate return, all of you. This is God's truthful promise. He initiates the creation, then repeats it, in order to ...( judge equitably)...Yes. of course there are those who are not expecting this meeting...
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Those who are not expecting to meet us, and are preoccupied with this worldly life, and are content with it, and refuse to heed our proofs;But summoned to the Lord,we will be
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On the day when we summon them all, we will say to those who worshipped idols, "We have summoned you, together with your idols." We will have them confront each other, and their idols will say to them, "We had no idea that you idolized us.Yes indeed, we will return to the Lord
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That is when each soul will examine everything it had done. They will be returned to God, their rightful Lord and Master, and the idols they had fabricated will disown them.So Qoran says we return to the Lord, Why do I believe so
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Most of them follow nothing but conjecture, and conjecture is no substitute for the truth. God is fully aware of everything they do.1037
This Quran could not possibly be authored by other than God. It confirms all previous messages, and provides a fully detailed scripture. It is infallible, for it comes from the Lord of the universe.Yes I am aware some do not believe ,that is fine by Qoran also
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Indeed, they have rejected this without studying and examining it, and before understanding it. Thus did those before them disbelieve. Therefore, note the consequences for the ....1040
Some of them believe (in this scripture), while others disbelieve in it. Your Lord is fully aware of ....1041
If they reject you, then say, "I have my works, and you have your works. You are innocent of anything I do, and I am innocent of anything you do."The original verses (in Arabic) are there for those who do not like the translation.
It is clear to me we will be summoned and there will a life after this life. Read Qoran for more details and evidence.
GOD bless you.
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SLM @JavaLatte
Do you love your Creator?
Yes (unquestionably)!
Utmost Love of G-D is crucial.
I think that Allah can hate if He wills, nothing can stop Him from doing what He wills.
I (strongly) disagree!
Indeed, our Superior/Master () is capable of doing whatever He wills ... But,
since 'His Will' does NEVER contravene/violate ANY of His Magnificent AttributeS ,
ALLH does not hate ].When condemning someone's behaviour, the Qurnic locution used is (always) ALLH does not love
Point being that
Not loving (x) hating (x).Be sound.
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Peace brother hicham.
May I know where do you learn that Allah does not hate?
How do you know?
Whether "hate" is something wrong? Something bad?
I suppose it depends on "what we hate".
Please read and ponder verse 4010 and 613, and perhaps you could share what you think about those verses.
I don't understand why it seems there are people who think that "hate" is negative.
I personally think that there's nothing wrong with "hating the unrighteous things".
I even think that people who say that they "do not hate" could be dishonest with that claim, because their mouth can say that, but their other talks could show otherwise, it seems there are times when they actually show their hate toward something/certain thing. That's my opinion.
Btw, is there anyone who can show me the verse of the Qur'an which mention that hate is a sin?
To my knowledge, Allah never forbade me to hate evil things.
Peace.
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SLM @JavaLatte
I was expecting 9468 or 17387 as counterargument !
Anyway, I shall reply in full tomorrow (G-D willing) - Now, i'm (in bed) about to sleep ...Zzzz
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It is clear to me we will be summoned and there will a life after this life.
Indeed, we will be summoned. For me, that's Allah's promise.
I am among those who have faith in the Day of Judgement. I am waiting for that.
I think the Lord does not create us for making a game, He is serious, and He has purpose for us.
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@ hicham9
Have a good rest, brother.
Peace.
Yes (unquestionably)!
Utmost Love of G-D is crucial.
Wonderful and heartwarming. I'm glad to know that. Praise be to Allah.
May Allah make you closer to Him, and please be careful with satan.
It is sooo beautiful when people have love for Allah and fear of Allah.
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Perhaps it is good to separate hate as in strong dislike and hate as in rampant hatred in fury and aggression. Dislike is just an opinion, but emotional hate which is reflected in emotional reactions driven by biological hormones is simply detrimental for the spiritual condition.
Be well
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The evidence of "God's existence" is within the existence itself.
Religious people think that there are one (or more) human like deity sitting in heaven above the cloud who looked down below to earth and manage everything like a human king.
And now people is trying to find an evidence of such "human like deity".. which of course they cannot find because the idea by itself is preposterous.
Human now have received a revelation that "distance" (read space) and "time" is correlated and both are actually a "creation".
Perhaps the 'infinite' is the true realm of existence that nobody cannot escape.
As "Limitation of space and limitation of time" by itself is a creation.Thus the "afterlife" can also actually be a "before life"...
All religion is now dying..
Agree..
All religion is now dying..
Christianity is dead in a region (i.e. Europe) were education is strong while Christianity is growing in countries with a terrible Human Index Development. This includes parts of Africa and entire South-Asia. Science > Christianity. Western missionaries realize the fact that nobody in the West buys their bullshit anymore so they turn to countries in Africa and South-Asia to convert those who lack critical thinking, ethics and morals. Some Western missionaries modernise their own religion because they know how stupid their religion is in reality. This is a way to gain more converts. As for Islam I believe that Islam is going to die in the Middle-east and spread to South-Asia like Communism died in Russia and spred to China. Sure Islam might die in South-Asia later on once they have a better education which will take years as they are living under dictators and poverty. Religious people like to argue that many are converting to their religion but they don't realize that many who are converting live in countries with terrible critical thinking, education, morals and ethics. It could be argued that there is a strong correlation between the amount of converting and the education in those countries. The Arab world really need to dump those sheikhs and moronic religious people that do nothing but pull the Arab countries towards square one again. Once oil-money stops flowing to a bunch of moronic Europeans, South-Asia and religion, the Arab world will kick arse in terms of contributions. Steve Job was a Syrian Arab. The Westerners will no longer be able to 'brag' about their contributions most of whom they did not contribute by themselves. Seriously the Arab countries should do themselves a favour and bann the religious missionaries that only comes to plague the Arab world. Sadly we have one of those oldest churches and synagouges there is no doubt that these will attract religious nutjobs across the world whether it be from Europe or South-Asia. These religious nutjobs need to be put a on a banlist. Ban the Saudi regime along with the Grand Mufti of Saudi-Arabia that has only turned Saudi-Arabia into hell. People like Richard Dawkins should be invited to the Arab countries. Imagine this; removing every religious nutjob (Islamists/Pro-Israels) and replacing them with scientists. Putting European asshats on a list (especially the religious ones/right-wingers) and establishing a democracy will allow us to progress further. Religious schools need to be banned as they are completely moronic and a waiste of time. Instead let secular schools replace them whether religious people like it or not. Secular schools teaches to rely on evidence and encourages doubting, hence they improve critical-thinking. It is one route to knowledge rather than indoctrination.
The reason why religions are dying is because they contradict science, ethics and morals. Religion is a complete joke. Some religion like for example the South-Asian religions do not even dare to mention anything scientific because they know that their religion will get their arse kicked by science. Christianity tried and it failed miserably regardless of how many times people try to reinterpret the verses. However just because science contradicts religion, it does not mean it contradicts God letalone an afterlife. I don't talk about this because I don't want to sugarcoat God or faith. However I believe that science will never be able to prove the existance of God. Science tells us how a coff? machine works but it does not tell us who built this coff? machine. This is a terrible example but you probaly understand. What mostly bothers me is when you try to research God and you come across Christian websites. It's truly disturbing. I'm trying to get peoples perspective on God without involving religion especially Christianity. As somebody that was born and grew up in the West I can see how easily it is to doubt religion. You don't need to know science to even do that. You grow up in a region whom ethics and morals are perfect. When you research this religion, you'll be able to tell that this religion has the ethics and morals of a carpet (basically it's too primitive) and therefor the conclusion on its God being false can be drawn. It is one of the reasons to why Christianity is dying in Europe.
Religion must not be given attention letalone funds. I would rather want my country take part of NASA and explore space than to still waiste more millions of dollars on traditions and religion. To find others outside Earth is unlikely as we are not that technologically advanced yet and what we might likely to find are microorganisms (e.g bacteria) but who cares? It is still a huge discovery. Unlike the Danish Gods or the South-Asian Gods, bacteria actually exists. This is coming from somebody who considers himself a Muslim by tradition but then I think all religions are a joke. My grandfather on my mother's side was an Imam who owned a mosque in Syria, in Yarmouk which was named after his last-name (Al-Rafaie).
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Peace brother hicham.
Salute, my sister.
May I know where do you learn that Allah does not hate?
I know that ALLH does not "hate," because
to my knowledge, ALLH is inherently Good!See Omnibenevolence.
How do you know whether "hate" is something wrong, something bad?
P1 Negative emotions are, by definition, harmful feelings .
P2 Hatred is a harmful feeling.
Therefore, hatred is a negative emotion.
& since The Omnibenevolent ONE is Impassible &c., "feeling hatred " is out of the question!
I suppose it depends on "what we hate".
Actually, it depends on what G-D dislikes (for us).
In the Qurn, G-D never dislikes a specified person/or thing .
What G-D dislikes (for us) is 'negative behaviour'E.g. in 587, G-D states
CU ... and transgress not, for G-D loves not the transgressorsInstead of saying "G-D hates the transgressors" , G-D used the locution 'loves not' which I (properly) understand as G-D dislikes/condemns the vicious act of transgression.
Thus (to me)
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G-D does not hate.
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Not loving (x) hating (x).
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IF we forsake Vice, we earn G-D's love/affection .
Please read and ponder verse 4010 and 613, and perhaps you could share what you think about those verses.
QA mqt (ت denoting 'hatred' is (clearly) not what the Author intended ...
The closest term to 'hate' you'll find in the Qurn is krh (to dislike) .
Only once does G-D use the locution where, as far as context is concerned, it can NEVER mean 'G-D hated'.
As for mkrh (ه in 1738, it perspicuously means reprehensible, ie. deserving censure or condemnation.
& as usual, G-D is sharing His (perfect/infallible) Judgment/View with us ...I don't understand why it seems there are people who think that "hate" is negative.
I personally think that there's nothing wrong with "hating the unrighteous things".Here, you're confusing 'dislike' with 'hatred' .
I even think that people who say that they "do not hate" could be dishonest with that claim, because their mouth can say that, but their other talks could show otherwise, it seems there are times when they actually show their hate toward something/certain thing. That's my opinion.
Most (if not all) humans experience 'hatred'!
No sane mortal will debate this fact, my sister!
We tend to (irrationally) hate others (for the most shallow of reasons), and even hate ourselves!The Divine One, however, is no "misanthropist/hater"
Btw, is there anyone who can show me the verse of the Qur'an which mention that hated is a sin?
To my knowledge, Allah never forbade me to hate evil things.Last time I checked, G-D doesn't address the "obvious/self-evident"!
Be sound.
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Hail Hicham,
We do not agree with each other on the nature of GOD talk, but here you formulate yourself well. Good elaboration.
Be well
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Christianity is dead in a region (i.e. Europe) were education is strong
Blue dying* not dead
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Hail Hicham,
Greetings, my brother.
We do not agree with each other on the nature of GOD talk, but here you formulate yourself well. Good elaboration.
Be well
True, I'm still of the opinion that The Absolute ONE is not a "phenomenon" . Our Superior/Master lit. transcends everything, ergo. naught has a likeness like His ... Nonetheless, I thank you for the kind-hearted word @MOF ~ I am pleased to know that my view (above) resonates with yours, my brother. Hopefully, the same goes for our sister, &c.
Be well, as well.
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In the Qurn, G-D never dislikes a specified person/or thing .
What G-D dislikes (for us) is 'negative behaviour/character'E.g., in Srh 587, G-D states
CU ... and transgress not, for G-D loves not the transgressorsInstead of saying "G-D dislikes the transgressors" , the Author purposely used the locution 'loves not' which I (properly) understand as G-D dislikes/condemns the vicious act of transgression.
Thus (to me)
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G-D does not hate.
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Not loving (x) hating (x).
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IF we forsake Vice, we earn G-D's love/affection .
SLM
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First, let me tell you brother, that for me hate = strong dislike
If you have different understanding about the word "hate", then I think we better stop discussing this issue.
I know that ALLH does not "hate,"
I think you actually do not know about that, since we don't communicate with Allah like the messengers can communicate with Him.
To be honest, I don't really know about that, but if Allah can hate, then I am not surprise.
And if Allah hates certain things, I don't mind with that at all, inshaAllah.
Also, as I recall, I never read any verse in the Qur'an which tells me that Allah does not hate.
In my opinion, those who "hate the unrighteous things" are good.
P1 Negative emotions are, by definition, harmful feelings .
P2 Hatred is a harmful feeling.
Therefore, hatred is a negative emotion.
I don't believe in that definition.
Here what I think
If I hate satan => that's not negative at all (not harmful)
If I love satan => that's very negative (very harmful)
So, for me, hate is not always negative, and love is not always positive.
Maybe "love and hate" is like "yin and yang".
If God is able to love, then why not if He is able to hate as well?
I feel grateful that I can hate.
Imagine if you can't hate anything...
Perhaps... "to be able to hate" could be a blessing.
In the Qurn, G-D never dislikes a specified person/or thing .
Really??
I think that... if we are honest, then it's pretty clear that what you wrote above is not supported by the Qur'an.
QA mqt () denoting 'hatred' is (clearly) not what the Author intended ...
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Sounds like a denial.
Then, according to you, what is intended in those verses by the Author?
Be honest and do not try to cover up the fact.
I am honest in this, inshaAllah
FOR ME, THE QUR'AN INDEED CONTAINS SERIOUS FRIGHTFUL THREATS AND SHOWS STRONG DISLIKE TOWARD THOSE WHO OPPOSE THE CREATOR.
If you ask the opinion of the atheists, then maybe they also agree with me about that.
Maybe that's why there are many people who do not like the Qur'an.
Peace.