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You make it sound like as if Israel and Islamism is somehow contradictional. It is not. Again and again, Israel considers itself a Jewish nation just like the Islamists from for example the Islamic State consider themselves a 'Muslim' state. The only minor difference is that Israel is using democracy and secularism to sugarcoat its own history and state.
Whatever you say, in the middle east, Israel is the closest state to the archetype secular, democratic and pluralistic society. Save for her excesses in Gaza, Israel has better human right records than all her neighbors and and most of the region.
And yes supporting Israel is the same thing as supporting the ethnic-cleansing of Palestinians, hence it is a middle-finger to the Palestinians. Israel was built on ethnic-cleansing eighty percent of the Palestinian population. And no Israel is definently not even a sign of liberalism. Qanta Ahmed is just as moronic as the average Islamist. She is really an idiotic 'Muslim'. She can shove her religious ideology up her arse. Nobody cares about her religious ideology. How does Qanta Ahmed carry liberal views when she is supporting a Jewish homeland? What moronic Qanta Ahmed is supporting http//4.bp.blogspot.com/_rl0N1IJv-p8/SWv8D-CLGcI/AAAAAAAAEKs/VuD8p4HGe9E/s400/006+see+Israel+what+you+done+to+a+Palestinian+child.jpg (18+ Brutal picture)
Analogically, we can as well conclude that supporting Palestine is tantamount to supporting Hamas and her militant ideology, isn't that right? You know, am anything but impressed by your vehement attack on some fellow based on a single view of hers. It is like judging a book by a single line. See here is another thing, you tend to look at this whole Israeli-Palestinian affair as black and white, it is far from that. Qanta has specially stated that her sympathy lies on both sides. Unfortunately, we live in a world where however hard you try not to take side, you still end up offending someone.
Thank God I grew up in a secular society that offers the best education in the world. I do not have to listen to these 'Muslim reformer' asshats letalone Islamists who are equally as garbage and warmongering. I do not support Palestine because the majority Palestinians are Muslims but rather because facts show that Palestinians belong in that land.
Good, then i hope your support extends to the Kurds. Don't you see it? We are too carried away by Palestinian plight to listen to the Kurds the largest nation without a state or homeland. For nearly a century the Kurds have strove fruitlessly to reclaim their state; Kurdistan, currently occupied by Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria, sometimes resorting to revolt but most time the Kurds have tried resolving it peacefully. How many of us dare raise this issue of ethnic cleansing of Kurds and occupation of their land by Arabs and Turks, how many of us are even aware of this age old injustice???
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Whatever you say, in the middle east, Israel is the closest state to the archetype secular, democratic and pluralistic society. Save for her excesses in Gaza, Israel has better human right records than all her neighbors and and most of the region.
Not a reason to sugarcoat its own history and state with democracy letalone secularism. Israel is not secular as it consider itself a Jewish nation which contradicts secularism. As for Israels neighboors they have a history better than Israel. Most of Israels neighboors are being pained in the arse by the West and its friendly 'regimes' that funds religious extremism both directly and 'indirectly'. The founding father of Israel was a European descending from Europeans that trippled their region with trillions worth of damage with the worst human rights record. Many Israelies ascendans AKA European Jews were supporting Stalin, a warmongering European terrorist that starved nine million Ukranians to death as well as causing the rape of up to two million German women.
You fail to mention the fact that those who are destroying Israels neighboors are Israels friends. Syria had a much better history than Israel ever had. Prior to becoming a part of the Arab United Republic, Syria had a democracy based on socialism when the Communist party took power. Regardless you should not use democracy to sugarcoat Israels own state.
Analogically, we can as well conclude that supporting Palestine is tantamount to supporting Hamas and her militant ideology, isn't that right? You know, am anything but impressed by your vehement attack on some fellow based on a single view of hers. It is like judging a book by a single line. See here is another thing, you tend to look at this whole Israeli-Palestinian affair as black and white, it is far from that. Qanta has specially stated that her sympathy lies on both sides. Unfortunately, we live in a world where however hard you try not to take side, you still end up offending someone.
It's not. Many that fought against Israel were Arab leftists and secularists. The PLO was started by a Palestinian Christian named George Habash. One of the major reasons to why Hamas came to power in Gaza was because they provided charity work in the region. When someone had their home bombed by Israeli missiles or something, Hamas gave him money to rebuild his/her home, so when election day came, he/she voted Hamas. Once they got the political power, they would do everything to secure that power and stay in power. The fact is that Hamas did not exist during the Arab-Israeli wars and most Arabs that were fighting against Israel were Arab Muslim and Christian socialists and other leftists and most were secularists. Israel assassinated many Palestinian Christian and Muslim secular politicians.
Yes I'm definently attacking this Muslim moron. She is one of those Western arse-kissing Muslims. She reminds me of those Muslims that points out the fact that Palestinians are suffering in Yarmouk but fail to point out that Israel brought them there in the first place. These Muslims do this due to their pro-Israel views. They are biased and a bunch of liars. They do not care about the Palestinians but only do it to divert attention from Israeli warcrimes.
"you tend to look at this whole Israeli-Palestinian affair as black and white" Yes that's exactly what I do. I look at it as black and white. Qanta is a hilarious pro-Western Muslim tool that is only supporting Israel to sugarcoat her own ideology. It's a way for some Muslims to have their own ideology approved by Western asshats. As long as you kiss the arse of the West, your ideology is moderate. Pro-Israel Muslims are about as biased as Hirsi Ali (A sh'tty Somalian terrorist that is living on European welfare) towards Palestinians.
And no I definently do not take Israels side. My Palestinian grandfather was a Jew, my roots is from Tiberias (Stolen by Israhell) in Palestine and my father studied in Soviet Russia as a Civil engineer during the Cold war. Many of my cousins are ethnically Europeans. The fact is that Jews have no right to establish their own homeland. They escaped their own brethrens attrocities and another fact is that they are adherents of a religion called Judaism and are NOT an ethnicity letalone a nationality and that is what we are not taking into consideration. Europe suffered trillions dollars worth of damage. Why do Muslims such as you not mention that? Why not mention that Allies along with the Soviet Union raped up to two million German women? Why not mention that if European Jews should have to establish their own homeland it should not be in Palestine but rather in Europe? Why not mention the fact that Israel has no right to exist as the people that formed it were Jews who hilariously thought that 'Jew' is an ethnicity when it is an adherent of a primitive religion called Judaism. In reality, there is no such thing as Jewish homeland and has never been. They are refering to an Israelite homeland but the Israelites died out thousands of years ago just like many other nationalities that died out as well as others conquered the country and imposed their own language and traditions on the inhabitants. These are the Palestinians today.
Pro-Israel Muslims are ashamed on the European Jewish history. Stop generalising Palestinians just because you dislike religious idelogies. The hatred towards religious idelogies should not affect our opinion on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. And yes the majority Palestinians are Muslims today but remember that these people use to belong to many different religion prior to Islam entering Jerusalem. Judaism and Christiany were one of them. That still doesn't make them your slaves and never will.
Good, then i hope your support extends to the Kurds. Don't you see it? We are too carried away by Palestinian plight to listen to the Kurds the largest nation without a state or homeland. For nearly a century the Kurds have strove fruitlessly to reclaim their state; Kurdistan, currently occupied by Turkey, Iran, Iraq and Syria, sometimes resorting to revolt but most time the Kurds have tried resolving it peacefully. How many of us dare raise this issue of ethnic cleansing of Kurds and occupation of their land by Arabs and Turks, how many of us are even aware of this age old injustice???
Nice try, and I do. If you read my older posts you'll see that I'm against dictators such as Saddam and I definently support the Kurds against the Islamic State. However I do not support a divided Iraq. I support Iraq as a united country. The term 'Iraqi' is a nationality ment to absorb Kurds, Arabs, Assyrians and many other ethnicities regardless of religion and gender. Some Kurds want to destroy this unity which I'm totally against. They want to destroy this nationality because of greed and nationalism. However the Kurds are trying to establish their own homeland thinking they are native to the land. The Iraqi people are an arabised people that have equally as much right to the land as them. In reality, Syria and Iraq are in control of their own land. Indeed these Arabs used to be of many ethnicites before they became Arabs and they used to be one of the natives as well. So in reality, they aren't really 'occupying' anything. European Jews AKA Israelies are occupying Palestine on the otherhand. Arabs have never ethnic-cleansed unlike Europeans infact Arabs have always been good at absorbing people. When Crusaders were defeated in Jerusalem, they were absorbed and became known as 'Arabs' without being slaughtered for their own ethnicity. Some Arabs were Kurds, some were Europeans, some were Persians, and so on. This is why some Arabs are black, some are tan-skinned and some are white. Many of them were Arabised and orgiante from different countries. In reality, most Arabs do not descend from Saudi-Arabia but descend from the local regions they were born in. Only bedouins are likely to have ancestry back to Saudi-Arabia. Many Arabs in the levant are probaly close to the Kurds and this is because they used to belong to ethnicites that were close to the Kurds. What the Kurds should do in my opinion is to accept these nationalities and join the Arabs and contribute to these nations. I do consider the Kurds to be the natives to both Syria and Iraq and I do consider the Syrians and the Iraqis to be equally as native to the land as well. It is the same. There is no one that is more 'native' than the other. The three are equal.
In reality, you do not care about the Kurds you just want to pull all attention from Israel and want to divide Iraq. And the Arab countries used to have tolerance towards Kurds especially when they were rann by Communism which hired many Kurdish intellectuals. The guy who wrote Syrias constitution was a Syrian Kurd. It was only when garbage Neo-Ba'athism took over that the attitude towards the Kurds changed. This is because of nationalism of course. However take into consideration that Kurds weren't the only ones who were being oppressed even Arab Communists and many other leftists were being oppressed and imprisoned by the Neo-Ba'athists. This was a way for them to keep themselves in power while they established dictatorship.
It's Pro-Israel Muslims that could care less about Iraqi Muslims dying at the hand of the Islamic State or any other sh'tty Islamist group. When Hamas fires missiles into Israel many idiotic pro-Israeli 'Muslims' are good at condeming that while they give little attention to the people that are dying at the hands by 'Muslims'. They will only care if they need to sugarcoat their own religion. If any right-winger brings up the Islamic State that is when pro-Israeli Muslims can pull their heads from their arses and start condeming the Islamic State until then they will stick to condeming Hamas more than the Islamic State when the Islamic State is ten times worse. I have seen Muslims that actually condemns Hamas more than they condemn the Islamic State. This is a way for them to have their religious ideology approved by Israel. In reality they do not care about the people that are being killed by the Islamic State (AKA Garbage State or Daesh).
Now you probaly come from South-Asia, correct? If you agree that Israel has the right to do what it does because it is a democracy than obviously a country similar to Israel has the right to occupy South-Asian land and chase out the South-Asians given the fact that South-Asia is a complete failure in terms of politcs. The point is that you need to stop becoming a hypocrite especially when you probaly come from a country that is ten times worse. Why oppose a Palestinian state? The UN and the British admits that the Palestinians owned the majority of the land and outnumbered European Jews in every city while most Jews in Palestine were European Jews that escaped their brethrens attrocities. A small amount were Palestinian Jews and most of these were European Jews that were granted Palestinian citizenship by the British regime illegaly (Indeed in Palestine there came a lot of corruption when the British regime took, hence the attempt of Palestinian revolts). In any case, Britain forced a mass Immigration of European Jews into Palestine. It recruited these Jews into battalions and later on used them as cannonfodder both in Europe and in Palestine. This was a way to fight the Nazis and a way to take down rebellions as well.
I have read Palestinian history. Do not expect me to shut up as a Muslim and do not expect me to respect warmongering Muslims. In every religion there are idiots, the pro-Israel Muslims as well as Western Muslim apologists are one of them. I do consider myself a Sunni but this is only traditional while I have a Qur'anist intrepretation on Islam. I was born one and I will die as one but I could care less about Islam letalone any other religion. As a Muslim I definently believe that Islam should be removed from state. This will definently serve as a middle-finger to all 'Muslim reformer' asshats and all Islamists. My advice on reforming Islam is to remove the Islamists and Western Muslim apologists that are great at covering Western and Israeli warcrimes. They are both of the same coin. Removing them from Islam will cure Islam from the cancer. While I also believe that Islam should be removed from state, I also believe that Islam letalone any other religion should NOT be given any funds at all. Billions of dollars shouldn't be spent on Islam or any other religion infact they should be spent on science, health and education for the countries. The money that is flowing to South-Asia needs to stop because it is not benefiting the Arab world and is only flowing to our enemies (Both Pro-Israelies and Islamists whom are the same garbage). The Arab nations should do what most Arab nations did before which was to establish democracy, only this time not based on Communism but rather on socialism and liberalism were both are mixed with each other but most importantley to establish a parliamentary democracy. The same democratical system as Sweden. Sweden humilates most European nations and Israel in terms of democracy.
But let me assure you that I do not speak out against the Islamic State because I want to improve the reputation of Islam. I speak out against the Islamic State because it is killing and raping others. It is a contradiction towards modern ethics and morals. Anybody that rapes and kills is bad/evil and needs to be thrown into jail. The Islamic State is complete garbage that cowardly carries out terrorist acts against many ethnicites and adherents of religions. Start condeming the Islamic State because it is contradicting modern ethics and morals and not only because it is destroying the reputation of Islam.
The leader of the Islamic State is hiding like a coward giving his morning fatwas in his cave just like Saudi sheikhs and pro-Israeli British 'Muslims'. The Iraqi army have Mi-35 helicopters and Apache helicopters that would blow this terrorist up which is why he is hiding in his cave just like any other Islamist. Many Islamists especially from the IS are great at taking human shield as they fear the Iraqi army. They claim to fear Allah more than the Iraqi army but ironically they run away as soon as they spot an Iraqi Mi-35 helicopter. Do they fear the Iraqi army more than Allah/God? They should. The Islamic State (AKA garbage Islamist/terrorist state) is already being annilihated in Iraq by the Iraqi army.
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Salaam!,
No, i didn't bring up the Kurds to divert attention from Israel. I brought it up to differentiate true seeking of justice from pseudo seeking of justice. If you conclude that Israel occupies part or all of Palestine, it isn't difficult to realize that Arabs, Turks and Persians currently occupy all of Kurdistan.
Throughout the Ottoman and Safavid empire, there existed a region between modern Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey which Kurds were indigenous to. Unfortunately, the Kurds weren't granted the autonomy they sought. In the aftermath of WW1, the Kurds were initially meant to get their independent state and government but this decision was later reversed and as there wasn't any great power to stand for the Kurds, their land were distributed to their neighbors. It is not a fact that Kurdish nationalism emerged recently, it has endured for over a century. Unfortunately, unlike the Palestinians who had Big Brothers to negotiate and fight for them, the Kurds had no one to turn to. This partly explains why the Kurds have been silent for so long.
Man, are you denying ethnic cleansing of the Kurds? Although the Kurds have rarely stood up to their land grabbers as the Palestinians have, there are a couple examples if for once you take your eyes off Israel. The current ISIS onslaught on Yazidis, in the 80's, Khomeini and Saddam did take it out on their respective Kurdish population, plus the Kurds had to endure persecution, racism, discrimination and denial of basic freedom to express their identity and culture under these land grabbers.
And with most middle easterners proving to be incapable of ruling with any better form of government than theocracy and tyranny, i believe the Kurds are better off with their own state. On a final note, you can't wholly blame tyranny or insurgencies in the middle east on the westerners. It is as good as blaming the degree of underdevelopment in Africa on the Europeans. The root of the crisis in the middle east is far right ultra conservatism and non violent religious extremism. The westerners didn't bring any of these to the Middle east, they met it and exploited it for their political goals.
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Salaam!,
No, i didn't bring up the Kurds to divert attention from Israel. I brought it up to differentiate true seeking of justice from pseudo seeking of justice. If you conclude that Israel occupies part or all of Palestine, it isn't difficult to realize that Arabs, Turks and Persians currently occupy all of Kurdistan.
Throughout the Ottoman and Safavid empire, there existed a region between modern Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey which Kurds were indigenous to. Unfortunately, the Kurds weren't granted the autonomy they sought. In the aftermath of WW1, the Kurds were initially meant to get their independent state and government but this decision was later reversed and as there wasn't any great power to stand for the Kurds, their land were distributed to their neighbors. It is not a fact that Kurdish nationalism emerged recently, it has endured for over a century. Unfortunately, unlike the Palestinians who had Big Brothers to negotiate and fight for them, the Kurds had no one to turn to. This partly explains why the Kurds have been silent for so long.
Man, are you denying ethnic cleansing of the Kurds? Although the Kurds have rarely stood up to their land grabbers as the Palestinians have, there are a couple examples if for once you take your eyes off Israel. The current ISIS onslaught on Yazidis, in the 80's, Khomeini and Saddam did take it out on their respective Kurdish population, plus the Kurds had to endure persecution, racism, discrimination and denial of basic freedom to express their identity and culture under these land grabbers.
And with most middle easterners proving to be incapable of ruling with any better form of government than theocracy and tyranny, i believe the Kurds are better off with their own state. On a final note, you can't wholly blame tyranny or insurgencies in the middle east on the westerners. It is as good as blaming the degree of underdevelopment in Africa on the Europeans. The root of the crisis in the middle east is far right ultra conservatism and non violent religious extremism. The westerners didn't bring any of these to the Middle east, they met it and exploited it for their political goals.
No, i didn't bring up the Kurds to divert attention from Israel. I brought it up to differentiate true seeking of justice from pseudo seeking of justice. If you conclude that Israel occupies part or all of Palestine, it isn't difficult to realize that Arabs, Turks and Persians currently occupy all of Kurdistan.
There is no such thing as 'pseudo seeking of justice' and true seeking of justice. And again you can't say 'occupy' given the fact that the Arabs have equally as much right to the land the Kurds. The Arabs for example used to belong to ethnicities that were native to this land prior to being Arabized by Arabs. Now I don't care about the Turks let alone the Persians and therefor I don't speak for them but I know for sure that the Arabs almost Arabized the entire Middle-East.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabization
This led to many ingenious people to their land change their identities, language, culture and religion.
Throughout the Ottoman and Safavid empire, there existed a region between modern Iraq, Iran, Syria and Turkey which Kurds were indigenous to. Unfortunately, the Kurds weren't granted the autonomy they sought. In the aftermath of WW1, the Kurds were initially meant to get their independent state and government but this decision was later reversed and as there wasn't any great power to stand for the Kurds, their land were distributed to their neighbors. It is not a fact that Kurdish nationalism emerged recently, it has endured for over a century. Unfortunately, unlike the Palestinians who had Big Brothers to negotiate and fight for them, the Kurds had no one to turn to. This partly explains why the Kurds have been silent for so long.
You fail to mention the fact that the Kurds allied themselves at first with Ottoman to massacre Assyrians and later on the Ottoman turned against them and massacred them too. The Assyrians are as pissed on the Kurds and on the Ottoman Empire as the Kurds are on the Ottoman Empire. The Assyrians want their land too but the Kurds are oppressing them. Why do you not mention that? There is no good side. The Kurds aren't 'innocent' in this conflict either. You need to acknowledge that all sides have been equally as bad.
It's not only 'their land' but the land belongs to their neighbors too given the fact that they are both of the same roots. The Syrians or the Iraqis are not some 'Arabs' from Saudi-Arabia but are ingenious people to their own land. Their countries were Arabized a long time ago and their identities, culture, language and religion changed.
Man, are you denying ethnic cleansing of the Kurds? Although the Kurds have rarely stood up to their land grabbers as the Palestinians have, there are a couple examples if for once you take your eyes off Israel. The current ISIS onslaught on Yazidis, in the 80's, Khomeini and Saddam did take it out on their respective Kurdish population, plus the Kurds had to endure persecution, racism, discrimination and denial of basic freedom to express their identity and culture under these land grabbers.
Nope. Read my post again. I clearly said that I'm against Saddam and this is mainly for causing the ethnic-cleansing of the Kurds and even Iraqis too (He killed Iraqis as well as Kurds - e.g the oppression of Iraqi Shias) and I'm against sh'tty empires such as Ottoman for massacring Assyrians, Kurds, Armenians and Greeks. I'm against ISIS for attacking and raping others even Yazidis. The Islamic State and the Ottoman is the same garbage, both of them have committed huge atrocities. However the only difference is that the Islamic State is STILL committing atrocities.
The fact that Saddam oppressed Kurds does not give the Kurds the right to divide Iraq. The Kurds could have contributed to Iraq by removing the dictator but instead they not only want to remove the dictator they even want to remove the country which is even a middle-finger to the Iraqi victims of Saddam Hussein. Note that the Kurds have recently been accused of chasing Arab villagers from their homes in Iraq.
What I'm saying is that the Kurds who are taking over Iraqi land thinking that they somehow 'own' the land don't realize that they are taking over the land from a people (i.e. the Iraqis) that belong to ancient ethnicities that have equally as much right to the land and probably more.
And with most middle easterners proving to be incapable of ruling with any better form of government than theocracy and tyranny, i believe the Kurds are better off with their own state. On a final note, you can't wholly blame tyranny or insurgencies in the middle east on the westerners. It is as good as blaming the degree of underdevelopment in Africa on the Europeans. The root of the crisis in the middle east is far right ultra conservatism and non violent religious extremism. The westerners didn't bring any of these to the Middle east, they met it and exploited it for their political goals.
I don't. Iraq is better as a united country than a divided country. This is a fact. Iraq does NOT have theocracy. Saudi-Arabia and the 'moderate regimes' that the West often refers by do. And Kurdistan doesn't really have democracy, the leader there is imprisoning people who share different political opinions from what I have heard. The Assyrians want a united Iraq and do not want a Kurdistan because they were oppressed too. I want a united Iraq because I believe that it will unite all the ethnicities under the nationality 'Iraqi' and it will make it a lot easier for the country to annihilate Islamist groups especially the Islamic State. The fact that there is a tyrant regime does not give the right for people to remove the country. At the end of the day it is better to contribute to the country by removing the tyrant regime. Sweden had several tyrant regimes hundreds years ago but that didn?t give anybody the right to remove Sweden from the map. This changed later on as the people of Sweden contributed to the country by getting rid of the tyranny while establishing democracy. If Iraq remains a united country it will be able to take down the Islamic State a lot more easier. By dividing Iraq you are only making it a lot easier for the Islamic State.
Given the fact that the Westerners fail to arrest the Islamists that are traveling from Europe to Iraq they are contributing to the Islamic State indirectly. So yes the blame is to be put on Westerners. And I didn?t fully blame tyranny or insurgencies in the Middle-east on Westerners. However the Westerners play a huge roll in that there is no denying the fact. The Westerners are good at giving weapons to 'moderate rebels' which ends up in the hands of Islamist groups especially the Islamic State and Al-Nusra. I hope now you understand. My point is that the Westerners contributed to Islamists groups indirectly and even directly. In Saudi-Arabia the regime there is referred to as 'moderate regime' by the Westerners. Another example is Yemen were the US is fully supporting Saudi-Arabia in bombing Yemen which has led to many Yemenis dead especially civilians. Ironically the US pretends to carry a 'neutral' view but anybody taking a closer look at the conflict will see that the US is backing the Saudi regime. Of course, apart from the Westerners being to blame even tribalism is the cause of it as well.
"Don't blame the West" is some might say but you have no evidence to why the West should not be blamed. The fact that the West even calls the Saudi regime a 'moderate regime' makes the Westerners equally as responsible. The West has always been destroyed by its own people as proven by Hitler, Stalin and many other moronic European dictators. It is sad that these morons are contributing to a similar destruction in Saudi-Arabia by supporting the Saudi regime.
"And with most middle easterners proving to be incapable of ruling with any better form of government than theocracy and tyranny," Are you serious? Have you even read the history of the Middle-east? When some Arab countries were run by communism, democracy was often established.
Unlike the South-Asian countries that were mostly a complete failure in terms of politics, the Arab countries were run by communism and later on nationalism who established democracy and secularism. Syria had had a democratic government since the overthrow of Adib al-Shishakli's military regime. Khalid Bakdash won a seat in parliament for the Damascus area, becoming the first communist elected to an Arab parliament.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Communist_Party
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syrian_Democratic_People%27s_Party
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khalid_BakdashHowever Syria became weakened after it joined Egypt and formed a pact, hence the United Arab Republic. Nasser who had his own secular ideology called Nasserism imprisoned Arab communists because he did not want to be politically threatened. After the United Arab Republic broke up, the neo-Ba'athists were given a perfect opportunity to siege power in Syria as the Syrian communists were weakened by Nasser. This allowed them to take over Syria and establish dictatorship.
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This switching quesitons when the talk is about what we do not lik to discuss is funny indeed.
Why the good ones whenever the talk about the nazis why they do ot switch themes to the exterminantion of northamerican indians and their replacement wholly or almost by and invader population of anglo saxons?
This cheap shots at Palestine make me vomit and equating them with the kurd question also. Kurds have not been made into millions of refugees and suplanted by millions of inmigrants form the other end of the world.
Even Kashmere, is not like Palestine, nor the Sahara is like Palestine, so this is another way to whitewash the sionazzi monster.
Salaam
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Man, are you denying ethnic cleansing of the Kurds? Although the Kurds have rarely stood up to their land grabbers as the Palestinians have, there are a couple examples if for once you take your eyes off Israel. The current ISIS onslaught on Yazidis, in the 80's, Khomeini and Saddam did take it out on their respective Kurdish population, plus the Kurds had to endure persecution, racism, discrimination and denial of basic freedom to express their identity and culture under these land grabbers.
Also you need to stop acting as if all my eyes are on the Palestinian-Israeli conflict. Prior to closing my twitter, most of my tweets were about Iraq and Syria, and not about Palestine. Israel has great relations with Turkey, a country that is known for ruining it for the Kurds. The European nations often put Kurdish milita groups on a terrorist list because their own NATO member i.e. Turkey claims to be threatned by these groups. My relatives on my mother's side who are mostly Palestinian-Syrians, expelled by Israhell just like most Palestinians, grew up in Syria. This has allowed me to bring most of my attention on Syria and on Iraq.
It's pro-Israel Muslims that have their eyes too much on Hamas ignoring the fact that there are ten times worse groups out there. There is this Turk called Harun Yahya who is a Turkish Muslim apologist that uses Islam to promote Turkish nationalism while he hypocritcally opposes Arab nationalism. Hilariously he uses some European-Mongolian looking women in his shows in order to show that hes ideology is somehow not conservative but rather liberal, hence he is trying to promote his own conservative ideology. But the point is that he supports the existance of Israel and believes that it 'belongs to the Jews' (Does this stupidity never get old?) to desperately try and promote his conservative religious ideology - Hilariously that's what every pro-Israel Muslim only cares about which is to promote their conservative religious ideology. As long as you kiss the arse of the West, your ideology is considered moderate and liberal. Pro-Israel Muslims are about as biased as Hirsi Ali (A sh'tty Somalian terrorist that is living on European welfare) towards the Palestinians. Their ideologies are no different than the ideologies of the Islamists. They are equally as primitive.
Rest assured I'm not going to take my eyes off Israel. Israel, just like the Islamic State, is attacking and ethnic-cleansing the natives. The only minor difference between Israel and the Islamic State is that Israel is trying to use secularism and democracy to sugarcoat its own state and history. What do Israel and the Islamic State have in common? They both hate Palestine. The Islamic State is already killing Palestinians in Yarmouk and has released videos of its members stepping on a Palestinian flag before they burn it.
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This is utterly ridiculous and bullying. If somebody wants to discuss the kurds, the red skins, the blacks, the gypsies (most forgotten), the bosnians, they are free todo so and I have never seen, not even once, that person who is proactive on behalf othe Palestinian cause has ever objected to any of those.
But it seems that to defend the Palestinian cause is a crime. How do we dare, when there other people that are suffering, speak for the Palestinians. To do that we must spend in the same thread at least as much time on whatever the objector fancies we should be speaking about. If this is not rediculous please let meknow of anything that is.
Again, open threads on the kurds, open threads on the saharawis, open threads on the kahsmiris, open thread on the -Amerindians, on the gypsies (most forgotten). What keeps you from doing it? Us who speak our support for the Palestinian cause? Can there be anything more hypocritical and dirty?
And you still wonder that we support the Palestinian cause at least in speech? With such a banding together of dirty manoevering against them you are surprised that some of us should revolt?
It is so hyporitical, so revolting...
Where are all your threads on the Kurds, on the Gypsies, where are they?
Nowhere you are not in favour of anybody you are just plain against the Palestinians and you want to forbid people from speaking out about them.
?Long live Palestine! Long live Palestinian resistance! Down with occupiers and racists ?May God save Palestinians and their wonderful heritage!
Salaam
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Again, open threads on the kurds, open threads on the saharawis, open threads on the kahsmiris, open thread on the -Amerindians, on the gypsies (most forgotten). What keeps you from doing it? Us who speak our support for the Palestinian cause? Can there be anything more hypocritical and dirty?
As soon as somebody speaks out for the Palestinians somebody asks 'What about the Kurds' to try and hide Israel warcrimes- Ironically the same person that is asking this could care less about the Kurds. He is just trying to divert attention from Israeli warcrimes. And to clarify By 'He' I'm not refering to anybody on this forum. The fact that Kurds are suffering at the hands of others does NOT justify Israeli warcrimes. I have started a thread before titled "What about the Kurds?" were I have stated that many Arabs and Kurds are the same people and that both have equally as much right to land. I'm also against neo-Ba'athists especially Saddam and Assad. And I do believe that the Kurds should be treated equal in the Arab world were everyone should be given the right to obtain citizenship. Saladin is one of my Kurdish heroes. The Arab countries use an eagle as coat of arms which symbolizes a Kurd i.e. Saladin. This is a middle-finger to the European apologists.
This has become a norm in Europe to divert attention from a country to another. The right-wingers in Europe attempt to do this as a way to discredit Islam despite the fact that millions of Europeans died at the hands of right-wing Europeans. Are Europeans too ashamed to mention European dictators such as Stalin that starved nine million Ukranians to death. Indeed he was supported by many European Jews. Or what about Hitler? Man aren't these Europeans very 'civilized'.
The average European labels anything as a theory but can get away with the worst lame ass theories such as America supporting Hamas or that Barrack Obama is a Muslim terrorist. The average European can get away with crimes that killed millions of people while labeling Islam or any other foreign religion as backward and a threat to Europe despite his/her attrocities in Europe. The average European can blame leftists for 'ruining' Europe while he/she is already ruining Europe. The average European can oppose an Immigration of Asians while he/she promotes a mass-Immigration of her/his own kind in Palestine. The average European can judge other countries while he/she has a history of a carpet thanks to European right-wingers. The average European can claim that Immigrants live on welfare while he/she is living on American welfare (During WW2 millions of Europeans were living on American welfare). The average European can sugarcoat Israels state with democracy and secularism despite the fact that most European nations were the opposite of democracy and secularism. The average European can divert attention from Israel and even his own country, as long as European history is not brought up, the average European can attack Arab history and justify Israeli warcrimes.
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lol WTF do I write sometimes.. Jeez.. Wherever you find the word 'ingenious' in my post replace the word with 'indigenous'. Thanks
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Whatever you say, in the middle east, Israel is the closest state to the archetype secular, democratic and pluralistic society. Save for her excesses in Gaza, Israel has better human right records than all her neighbors and and most of the region.
Salam Neptin.
While Israel?s human right records, law and order and mutual tolerance within its own territory is demonstrably better than that of many of its neighbors ? its continuous refusal to acknowledge the Palestinian state and systematic grabbing of land ear-marked for the Palestinians no doubt speaks the opposite story. Israel?s refusal to fully implement the UN resolution (2 state + Jerusalem as neutral zone) ? which gave them the right to statehood in the first place, is one of the most blatant treachery of post WWII era. And more importantly their disproportionate response to the provocations made by Hamas quite often breach the very basic human rights standards.
Yes, the response of the Arab neighbors and Palestinians (Hamas & co.) to the Israeli statehood from the very beginning was probably the biggest impediment in implementing the UN resolution, but then, over the years Israel got enough opportunities to set the tone right. It is a shame that they have not taken those opportunities to fulfill their obligation to God of being a good neighbor. Every time the sensible Israelis approached reconciliation (and there were some commendable initiatives), the ultra-conservative block always found a way to divert the progress on the excuse of ?national security?. Even today politicians use anti 2-state rhetoric as political stunt to attract voters. I really don?t see a way not to acknowledge Israel?s failure in this area.
Acknowledging the right problem is the first step towards the solution.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Arman -
Great, this continuation of the humorous part. I am glad that the performance goes on to keep us from stopping smiling and laughing.
This poor old Israel still trying so hard to caress and pamper those horrible Arabs or pastelinian or whatever their name is, and they do not wish to accept love. But good Israel still keeps trying to kiss them and throw them bits.
Keep imoroving the act.
Salaam
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Salam Neptin.
While Israel?s human right records, law and order and mutual tolerance within its own territory is demonstrably better than that of many of its neighbors ? its continuous refusal to acknowledge the Palestinian state and systematic grabbing of land ear-marked for the Palestinians no doubt speaks the opposite story. Israel?s refusal to fully implement the UN resolution (2 state + Jerusalem as neutral zone) ? which gave them the right to statehood in the first place, is one of the most blatant treachery of post WWII era. And more importantly their disproportionate response to the provocations made by Hamas quite often breach the very basic human rights standards.
Thanks, we do not contradict each other over Israel, never did i imply Israel was the perfect state, the angel in the conflict. All i said is that beside her policy with Palestine, Israel has done better than virtually the whole middle east in terms of human right, democracy, secularism or pluralism and so sympathy with Israel doesn't necessarily equate to denying/condoning Israel crimes against Palestine or enmity and hate for Palestinians. Hastily, some folks already summarize my comments as unlimited approval of Israel 's war crimes and occupation of Palestine, which is a very erroneous judgement. I do not believe Israel can claim to be defending herself any more than Nigerian Army killing innocent civilians can claim to be stamping out Boko Haram.
The Israeli-Palestinian issue is not a straight forward one. Unfortunately, many assume that whoever speak well of Israel even in the slightest is a sworn ally of blood thirsty war mongering. Hence, this lead me introduce Kurdistan so as to distinguish between supporters for Palestinians based on evidence or supporters based on emotion or identity with Palestinians. You know, i 've met Arabs before, some of whom do not consider my stand on Israel as enmity towards Palestinians. I have met Arabs who are impressed at the level of secularism, democracy and freedom exercised in Israel and fed up with the level of fanaticism, oppression that Arabs keep sugarcoating with Islam.
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I have met Arabs who are impressed at the level of secularism, democracy and freedom exercised in Israel and fed up with the level of fanaticism, oppression that Arabs keep sugarcoating with Islam.
20% of today's citizen of Israel (1,7 Million People) identified themselves as "Arabs", "Arab citizen of the state of Israel".
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Thanks, we do not contradict each other over Israel, never did i imply Israel was the perfect state, the angel in the conflict. All i said is that beside her policy with Palestine, Israel has done better than virtually the whole middle east in terms of human right, democracy, secularism or pluralism and so sympathy with Israel doesn't necessarily equate to denying/condoning Israel crimes against Palestine or enmity and hate for Palestinians. Hastily, some folks already summarize my comments as unlimited approval of Israel 's war crimes and occupation of Palestine, which is a very erroneous judgement. I do not believe Israel can claim to be defending herself any more than Nigerian Army killing innocent civilians can claim to be stamping out Boko Haram.
The Israeli-Palestinian issue is not a straight forward one. Unfortunately, many assume that whoever speak well of Israel even in the slightest is a sworn ally of blood thirsty war mongering. Hence, this lead me introduce Kurdistan so as to distinguish between supporters for Palestinians based on evidence or supporters based on emotion or identity with Palestinians. You know, i 've met Arabs before, some of whom do not consider my stand on Israel as enmity towards Palestinians. I have met Arabs who are impressed at the level of secularism, democracy and freedom exercised in Israel and fed up with the level of fanaticism, oppression that Arabs keep sugarcoating with Islam.
Crediting Israel is a middle-finger to the victims of Israel. I mean seriously, if you are going to say some nice things about Israel then you might as well do the same for Nazi-Germany. In Europe you would possibly get arrested for saying good things about Nazi-Germany, well except in Eastern-Europe that has many European skinheads and a lot of corruption. By crediting such countries we are only giving the victims of these countries the middle-finger.
I have never met Arabs that support Israel. Most I know support Palestine while the rest could give a less f'ck about the Palestinian-Israeli conflict as they don't care about politics at all. I'm pretty sure that the majority Arabs support Palestine but of course they don't matter. What matters is the minority Arabs that support Israel. It's very ironic that there is a wiki article on Arabs that support Israel while no article for the amount of Arabs that are against Israel. The Average Westerner knows his lies. Last time I checked the majority Arabs, the same that considers the Arab regimes to be corrupt, support Palestine. This sucks for Western apologists which is why they want to keep supporting their 'friendly regimes'.
Arab Jews support a peace between the Arab countries and Israel while European Jews especially the ex-Soviet Jews support war and ethnic-cleansing. This has even been acknowledged by Arab Jews. Most Jews in Palestine that were starting their own terrorist groups were of Eastern-European origin that came to Palestine as Immigrants.
I know Europeans that support Israel but hilariously these are European conservatives that are not even contributing anything of value to their own country. Like most religious people, they use democracy and secularism to sugarcoat their own ideologies. I do not take these people seriously. They are laughable and very primitive too but sadly they are born in countries with a high human index development. The European conservatives often support Israel because the land is mentioned in the Bible. They pretend that Muslims are somehow anti-semitic for simply criticising Israel while these conservatives have ideologies that are similiar to Hitlers ideology. The irony? European Christians are probaly the biggest anti-semites ever. This is proven by history.
I do not believe Israel can claim to be defending herself any more than Nigerian Army killing innocent civilians can claim to be stamping out Boko Haram.
Anymore? Israel has never defended itself this is a fact. Israel was built by European Jewish Immigrants that escaped their brethren's attrocities whom ethnic-cleansed a whole amount of the Palestinian population later on. How is that defending itself? Do you even question the foundation of Israel?
In a nutshell, they Immigrated- They took over- They invited thousands of others non-Palestinian Jews over and created a Palestinian diaspora. You don't need to be a genious to realize this. Use common sense.
When taking a look at the Palestinian-Israeli conflict it is important to take into consideration that not all Jews are the same and that Jews carry different culture and traditions based on the country they were born in. Some say that the Jews were in Palestine long before Arabs but are they refering to Middle-Eastern Jews or European Jews? If Middle-Eastern Jews then yes they have been in Palestine long before Arabs but if European Jews then no not at all. Arabs have always moved to Palestine even pre-Islam.
It is also important to not consider all Arabs being the same. Arab is not equivalent to Jew. Arabs are people of diverse religions (including Jewish). Anybody who speaks Arabic is an Arab. Some are descendents from Phoenicians, some from Berber or Pharaonites or Israelites. History will always acknowledge the fact that the Palestinians were people that changed their identities as others conquered their country.
Israelis often try to hide this. They often take into consideration that Arabs conquered into the Middle-East but what they won't acknowledge is the fact that the Arabs arabized the inhabitants of the 'provinces' they conquered. They know that if they were to acknowledge this their own Israeli propaganda would be thrown into the trash bin a long time ago.
I have met Arabs who are impressed at the level of secularism, democracy and freedom exercised in Israel and fed up with the level of fanaticism, oppression that Arabs keep sugarcoating with Islam.
Can't wait to hear their opinion on Sweden. If they are impressed at Israel, then what will they be on Sweden? Sweden makes Israel, the South-Asian countries and the Gulf-countries look like a joke. I've seen South-Asians that often write how countries such as India or Israel is somehow a democracy. I take a look at these countries and I compare them to Sweden. Sweden is complete gold compared to these countries.
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To all readers of this thread
Since sister Reel has already confirmed, she is not going to mend her ways because that would go against her Masters studies ? so instead of addressing her, I am presenting the case below for personal consideration of each of you.
On this very thread sister Reel presented a conspiracy theory. Her prepositions are as follows
Overlooking the number of bizarre claims that she is making in one sentence, I draw your attention to her claim about the ?the twin of the Malaysian plane?? she is suspecting the Zonist connection to this attack based on the claim that someone discovered a similar plane with the same registration number was standing in Tel Aviv.
When I asked for more details, she flooded me with internet links. After carefully going through the links I learnt that in 2013, GA Telesis, a company with demonstrated Israeli connection acquired a Boeing 777 model aircraft from Malaysian Airlines for dismantling. The transaction was made public with a press release (Ref 1). The original registration number of the aircraft was 9M-MRI, which after the title transfer was re-registered as N105GT (Ref 2). Apparently the company, instead of dismantling the aircraft right away has kept it intact at Tel Aviv. The company management did not respond to journalist?s request to comment on why they delayed the dismantling. (Ref 3)
And thanks, you understood exactly what is given, however, Israel didn't get the plane from Malaysia. Umm, do you know where boeing is made?
These are pretty much the ?facts? surrounding the allegation. Does the above sound provocatively suspicious in view of the Malaysian plane (both Boeing 777) incidents? Perhaps it does. Does it prove or demonstrate Israeli connection to the Malaysian airline crash and/or a planned terrorist attack? No, of course it doesn?t. Claiming any such connection solely based on the above facts would be purely speculative ? no responsible media outlet will take such speculation seriously, nor will any court of law or any scholarly undertaking.
We know who made Al Qaida and how Israel was involved in 9/11 inside job. Keeping this in mind, when we read this
Missing Malaysia Airlines plane 11 terrorists with links to Al Qaeda being questioned over vanished jet http//www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/missing-malaysia-airlines-plane-11-3493814
Missing Malaysian Flight 370 raises fear that it was stolen by terrorists to use it as weapon
http//www.nydailynews.com/news/national/missing-jetline-raises-fears-9-11-attack-article-1.1727525
what comes to mind?
I gave one of such links to you before and you overlooked it. Here are some more from your worshipful masters of Zionism
"This information is very important because it fits neatly into the terror scenario presented by Israeli El Al ?security expert? Issac Yeffet shortly after the Malaysian plane went missing. Yeffet suggested the missing plane had been hijacked to Iran and was being prepared for a terror attack. For the Israelis to have an identical plane in a hanger in Tel Aviv reveals why Yeffet presented such a scenario. He appears to have been setting the stage for a false-flag attack like 9-11, perhaps in Israel. If such an attack were to occur in Israel all the evidence would be in the hands of Israeli intelligence giving them complete control of the interpretation or narrative of the terror event.?I BELIEVE IRAN WAS INVOLVED?
?What happened to this aircraft, nobody knows. My guess is based upon the stolen passports, and I believe Iran was involved. They hijacked the aircraft and they landed it in a place that nobody can see or find it.?
? Issac Yeffet, former El Al security expert to Times of Israel, March 17, 2014World seems transfixed by 777 disappearance. Maybe no crash but stolen, effectively hidden, perhaps in Northern Pakistan, like Bin Laden.
? Rupert Murdoch on Twitter, March 15, 2014It is not Iranians, but Israeli agents and Zionist propagandists like Rupert Murdoch who are the real authors of false-flag terror plots involving airliners being flown into hi-rise towers. Arnon Milchan, for example, the Israeli Mossad operative-cum-film producer, made the Medusa Touch film in 1978, in which a 9-11 type attack is the climax of the film. Is there a nefarious plot in the works to use the missing Malaysian plane for such an attack?"
Let?s see what Qur?an has to say about such speculative stories.
Well, if the ?speculation? was not bad enough? our enthusiastic sister managed to upgrade herself to yet another level when her willingness to bolster her speculation, knowingly or unknowingly, made her pick the words ??with the same registration number?.
We go by pattern. I think it was explained to you before.
As I mentioned earlier the old registration number of the transferred aircraft was 9M-MRI (new registration number N105GT), whereas the two Malaysian Airlines aircrafts that recently crashed / was shot down had the registration numbers 9M-MRO and 9M-MRD respectively.
9m is given to planes going to Malaysia. N1 is used for the American ones. Please go back to previous post to see the explanation.
So, the plane seen at Tel Aviv has the same registration number as WHAT? Actually nothing. It was a false claim personally cooked-up by our beloved sister to make her story sound more interesting. When an unsuspecting gullible reader reads the words ?a similar plane with the same registration number was standing in Tel Aviv? doesn?t it have a wow factor! Surely two planes are not supposed to have same registration number ? so if a plane with same registration number as that of another crashed plane was found in Tel Aviv it does prove something deeply fishy was going on! But the truth is - this claim of ?same registration number? is a big fat lie? carefully punched into the story to make it sound convincing.
Then what is our take on the below commandment from Qur?an
Or do we say the above verse only applies to children of Israel, and for the rest of us mixing the truth with falsehood is halal?
Here comes the big words of wisdom from one of the oldest member of the forum. On sister Reel?s defense, she was only trying to help the cause of the ?defenseless? persecuted Palestinians. In face of all the falsehood and injustice thrown upon the children of Palestine ? a little bit of fabrication, a little bit of exaggeration to expose the powerful Zionists ?monsters? should be okay, right?
No, WRONG again.
Let?s see what Qur?an has to say on the matter
So, the underlying principle is? we have to stand by justice and truth. We must not follow our inclination to support whom we perceive as poor / weak / vulnerable and thereby distort the truth.
Allah is our Master and their Master and He is not unjust by an atom?s weight.
Those of you who are studying Qur?an carefully, may have already noticed? Qur?an does not only prohibit falsehood, it takes the evils of falsehood as an underlying assumption to build up its logic. For example let?s consider this verse
Look how the verse assumes that the reader understands that ?to lie? is a sin, and Allah is justified to increase the ?disease? of the liars.
The stance of Qur?an against falsehood is clear and unambiguous. Falsehood does not enter the Qur?an from the front or from the back or from right or from left. There is no way one can seek the path of intentional falsehood and fabrication as a ?strategy? (against the weak, the strong, the rich, the poor whatever) and still hope to be guided by Qur?an.
The purpose of this long post is not to analyze whether or not Israel had any role in Malaysian plane incidents. (If they really hand a hand behind it, I have faith that my Master will one day bring the truth to broad daylight ? but as of now, there is no justification to promote such flimsy speculations.) Rather my purpose here is to put our own behavior under the microscope. The fight of falsehood by falsehood, propaganda by propaganda is running for ages. Aren?t we, the members of this forum, supposed to strive to break this vicious circle with truth and justice? If we allow ourselves to indulge in spreading of fabricated stories and speculation, what moral ground do we have to challenge the fabrication brought forward by the Zionists or the ISIS camp? let alone the Bukhari & Co? Those of you who claim to follow Qur?an only.. is it enough that we carry ?Qur?an only? label? Or, do we need to follow the Quranic principles of truth, justice and impartiality in our own words and actions to justify such a claim?
As for the carrier of fire-wood (hamma latal hatab), surely she will have her own twisted rope around her neck.
So, cease. It is better for you, if you understand.But if you don?t? and if you still feel inclined to seek your refuge in these meaningless game of falsehood and propaganda, then bear witness (on the day of judgment), that someone did warn you against such behavior.
May Allah guide us all to the straight route.
Regards,
Armanlol, it wasn't me, but pilots who acquired the information. More can be found in their forums. Go do your research.
Reference 1 http//www.gatelesis.com/ga-telesis-disassembles-boeing-777-200er-767-200er-and-757-200er/
I was waiting for this one cuz it was published after people started panicking about the planes.
Reference 2 http//www.planespotters.net/Production_List/Boeing/777/28416,N105GT-GA-Telesis.php
Thanks for this link also. If I remember correctly, I saw 98 in the year table last year for the one shipped to Israel. I should have kept the screenshot.
Reference 3 https//jhaines6.wordpress.com/2014/04/23/why-is-a-twin-of-the-missing-mh370-in-a-hanger-in-israel-by-chris-bollyn/
Do you check articles to know where they come from? It is copied from the site of Christopher Bollyn, the zionist disinfo agent who lived in Israeil, married an Israeli agent and the appearance of his second wife's name seems to be too jewish also. And before this, in his own words, "began his college career at U.C. Davis and graduated from U.C. Santa Cruz with a degree in history in which his primary field of study was Israel and Palestine" Off topic, this degree resume makes no sense!
And does Allah say we are to believe in the media without a doubt? You decide
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source http//www.trueactivist.com/analysis-finds-50-of-all-fox-news-statements-are-false/By the way, you mentioned two Malaysian planes were shot. I was aware of one. If the second one happened just letting you know I wasn't keeping update on this at all.
To everyone,
As for Israel being a state, I think we have to agree that since they are there already it would be weird to throw them out. There is a verse in Quran where Allah says that he sometimes takes away a land from one to give to another. If anyone knows the verse number please post it here. But yes, their illegal settlement can't be forgiven. Peace talk at this point isn't gonna be easy and may not happen for some more years since the Israeli government is full of zionists. Their people have to wake up and this seems difficult also because of the way they are brainwashed by getting them drafted.
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Thanks Neptin, the two weeks were hell.
Nay I won't make a good detective. I just look more things that seem questionable. Most of what I find actually come from other people who had resources for the research. But I guess in US, its a trend. The whole 9/11 thing is the reason. Such attacks are profitable for those who make them happen. Benefits of 9/11 for those who were involved
New policies to control people (attacks always enhance the power of the government)
Mad it difficult for the world to hear cry of Palestinians
Sympathy for Israeli (their leader's words)
Shrinking the power of Arab countries, good for Israel.
Removal of Saddam Hussein (good for Israel)
Weapons sales (for wars)
Army used (Here in US we have a slavery system; if you are at work you have to keep your hands moving. Same is applied to army. Government won't feed them for free)
Satisfying the weapon industry lobbysts
Cleaning of American ghettos (Usually, the poorest go in military.Ted Turner thinks its "terrific" that soldiers are committing suicide)
Government taking loans from Rothschilds, the family responsible for snatching of Palestine. War loans make them richer.
A new zone for Rothschilds' banks (Iraq)
Making people lose faith in religions, one of the agendas of NWO.
Divide and Conquer (Increased hostility towards Muslims)
Haliburton became richer
One attack makes it easy for them to use another attack for future benefits