Time To Change Your Paradigm
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I can't see how anything spread out, stops being spread out if the surface at a big scale turns out to be curved. A hammock is curved but still it is spread out. And seen from a human point of view of human size scale anything one can manage in normal life if it has any curvature it is so wide that for all purposes, acept for thos exacting very minute precision flat.
And so that nobody should be offended, I am not making fun of anybody and would not in any case want to. We are all entitled to get at things the way we see most proper and differences are not harmful but arrogance is, and for sure this question gives rise to examine things more closely and attentively and not to take anything for granted because so and so says so or most people say so or whoever says so.
On the other hand, it would not be very surprising that NSA would be hiding something and others got along for their own reasons, if they are not altogether.
Salaam
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O Collectivity? of Coverts? and Overts?
if ye should be able to escape from the confines of the heavens and the earth, then escape.
Ye shall not breakout,
save by sanction
CU
Sreh
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? or, Society
? ie. Privateers
? ie. Commoners, aka. the Public.
ie. the borders or boundaries
lit. except with an authorization.Will they not then look
at the camelus how was it proportioned?
And/or, at the sky how was it lifted?
And/or, at the mountains how were they erected?
And/or, at the earth how was it flattened?
CU
Sreh
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The Qurnic vb. st (ت stems from the Arabian, emitic root s/ () which can denote Flattening!
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All Flat-Earth believers So what do you think about Felix Baumgartner that jumped at a 128k feet? The planet obviously looks round https//youtu.be/7f-K-XnHi9I?t=1m15s
Here is a better footage
https//youtu.be/ZyIVaZXDhho?t=5m8s
https//youtu.be/FHtvDA0W34I?t=50s
I really don't understand how people can still believe in the flat Earth myth. Even if NASA was lying about what it does other space agencies would be the first to report that. NASA isn't the only space agency that exists. The Russians have one too and so do probaly the Indians. And then you have the European space agency. The point is? Even if NASA was lying it would not be able to get away with it. I'm 100% sure that NASA is NOT lying about anything. Everything it says is TRUE. You can't lie about these things.
Brother, the video you linked was captured by fish eye lens. It was a GOPRO camera.Please google it to see its lens type.
http//imageshack.com/a/img661/125/gNUe1W.pngnow see this.
http//imageshack.com/a/img912/2881/xlZ4Oi.pngDepending on these images you are saying that we are at wrong side?
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Salam brother, nice finding.keep going.
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Brother, the video you linked was captured by fish eye lens. It was a GOPRO camera.Please google it to see its lens type.
http//imageshack.com/a/img661/125/gNUe1W.pngnow see this.
http//imageshack.com/a/img912/2881/xlZ4Oi.pngDepending on these images you are saying that we are at wrong side?
Sorry bro but I really don't understand your point. The screenshots you posted proves that the Earth is indeed round. Looking at it from different angles will not change that fact. Watch the entire video- There are no cuts only the entire video running clearly showing how the planet is NOT flat. Cherry-picking, i.e. screenshoting some clips is honestly a bad id?a. Earth never changed shape in the second image. He is looking at it from a different angle.
I have noticed that some hate NASA. NASA has actually contributed more to Earth than teh religious. The technologies created and developed by NASA
https//spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2008/tech_benefits.html
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologiesCompare the technologies created and developed by NASA to the religious. NASA is not lying anywhere and its contributions are real and well acknowledged.
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What is the point in proving that the world is flat or round?
Focus on helping yourselves instead by doing good deeds and getting the animal you out of yourselves.
The world whether round or flat, or a disc, is just an illusion made of energy and part of a program for GOD to wait until the sprouts have fully grown to reap those of good quality and discard the rest. It is a sifting process, so show the better part of yourselves and enhance the spirit and get rid of some baggage that you can pass through "The Door", narrow as it can be. Only light - weight passengers are allowed to embark on the bus. The meshes of that sifter are very fine you know.
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Sorry bro but I really don't understand your point. The screenshots you posted proves that the Earth is indeed round. Looking at it from different angles will not change that fact. Watch the entire video- There are no cuts only the entire video running clearly showing how the planet is NOT flat. Cherry-picking, i.e. screenshoting some clips is honestly a bad id?a. Earth never changed shape in the second image. He is looking at it from a different angle.
I have noticed that some hate NASA. NASA has actually contributed more to Earth than teh religious. The technologies created and developed by NASA
https//spinoff.nasa.gov/Spinoff2008/tech_benefits.html
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NASA_spin-off_technologiesCompare the technologies created and developed by NASA to the religious. NASA is not lying anywhere and its contributions are real and well acknowledged.
This is not so hard to understand. The fact is in front of your eyes. The round or spherical view that you are seeing highly depend on the lens.Brother,free your mind from preconceived idea and watch that video carefully. You will get the truth.Then what about NASA's fake moon landing drama? Do you really think that man stepped on moon as NASA stated?
Here is a non-NASA video clip.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnzUgKZ8m2kI cropped images to highlighted the lens fact. There is no dis-info in above images.
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Will they not then look
at the camelus how was it proportioned?
And/or, at the sky how was it lifted?
And/or, at the mountains how were they erected?
And/or, at the earth how was it flattened?
CU
Sreh
8817-20This verse can also mean, that the earth is round, but again so flat like most of the people believe except for the one who don't. Which is indeed a miracle. Because imagine yourself walking on a sphere.
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What is the point in proving that the world is flat or round?
What can I say? Only 1.5 billion so called Muslims are practicing wrong Islam so it become our headache,and we open forum to enlighten them. And while 7 billion out there are being deceived, you my wise brother asking "What is the point in proving that the world is flat or round?"
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This is not so hard to understand. The fact is in front of your eyes. The round or spherical view that you are seeing highly depend on the lens.Brother,free your mind from preconceived idea and watch that video carefully. You will get the truth.Then what about NASA's fake moon landing drama? Do you really think that man stepped on moon as NASA stated?
Here is a non-NASA video clip.
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnzUgKZ8m2kI cropped images to highlighted the lens fact. There is no dis-info in above images.
Please use logic thinking. If the planet was flat he would be the first to see it given the fact that hes helmet that doesn't have a 'fisheye lens' and therefor this would have been exposed a long time ago. The camera does not really change anything. One can still notice that the planet is ROUND with or without the fisheye lens.
Brother,free your mind from preconceived idea and watch that video carefully.
Ok Jesus I will free my mind from the 'preconceived idea'.
Then what about NASA's fake moon landing drama? Do you really think that man stepped on moon as NASA stated?
Oh dear, you're right. It is Illuminati. Everything NASA says or do is fake. That includes its contributions. Yes FYI I do believe in the moon landing as well as the big bang. Russia, China, India and the European countries run their own space agencies. NASA is not the only space agency. The point is? Even if NASA was lying as you keep claiming it would have been leaked out a long time ago especially given the fact that Russia nor China likes the US. Criticism to NASA mostly comes from the primitive religious that do not contribute anything to planet Earth.
The Americans haven't been the only ones who visit space. The Russians have been great at this too. Muhammed Faris flew as a Research Cosmonaut in the Interkosmos program on Soyuz TM-3 to the Mir space station in July 1987, spending 7 days 23 hours and 5 minutes in space. He did not mention anything about a flat Earth. No austronat has whether it be from the Russian side or the US side who both still hate each other ever since the Cold War. The ones who are spreading this misinformation is you and many other religious.
Even Muslims never complained
https//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_astronauts
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This is something I have to get off my back.
What is the point in proving that the world is flat or round?
You have no idea, nor can you imagine how astray you are going when you ask such a question. Allow me to explain the giant Psychological game being conducted against you, while you are unaware. The very fact that you are asking this question shows that you are a victim of it.
They told us this You are on a small, insignificant planet, one among millions similar to it, floating around a gigantic ball of fire (how many "Earths" do they say fit inside the sun?) and then, you and your sun together are floating around in a galaxy, with a zillion stars in it, and the galaxy itself is one among zillions. And then you want them to accept that this "God" you speak of went thrugh all that trouble so he could observe your tiny and insignificant spit ball in this universe, which vomited itself into existence by some big explosion?
This is how they disorient you, by distorting your paradigm, even to the point of making you disbelieve your own eyes.
Think on this. Are the legends written down by ancient peoples truly fantasies? Are they myths? Did we really grasp what they were trying to tell us? When the Vikings (who reached America long before Columbus, by the way) spoke of the Great Ice Rim, guarded by giants at the Edge of the World, you think they were being delusional? Perhaps they meant by "giants" some kind of metaphoric or symbolic thing (mighty strong weather or forces). This is what legends really are. It is shameful, and a disgrace to believe that they wrote myths. All ancient cultures, even up until the 17 century, believed in this, as strongly as they believed in an afterlife. Who the hell are we to mock them?
Legends are not fairytales made to entertain us. They are based on true, historic events, or facts of reality, but they are told within a romanticized mold, with rich symbolism, so they can be carried down and remembered fondly across the generations. They are folk tales that are trying to tell us something. Even Hollywood, with all the magic it throws in our faces, inserts these messages into their films - as if they are relaying to us both "versions" of the story. What do you think is the point of a film like the Truman Show?
The Arabic word (ostoorah), which is rendered as "legend", is HISTORY.
What they have done is demonize and mock all these ancient "beliefs", to make us seem like fools for giving credit to them. This is also a psychological manipuation as well. Not even the Quran mocked the "histories" of the ancients. It only criticized the knee-jerk reaction of the non-believers when they heard them being repeated by Muhammad. And this same knee-jerk reaction is being repeated today, even on this very forum.
Do you really believe the sun is 92 milion miles away from us? You choose to disbelieve your very eyes, in favor of what NASA tells you, despite all the evidence I have provided for you that it cannot possibly be more than 3,000 miles away. Look with your own eyes at how its rays are, and the hotspot it leaves on the upper clouds. This effect is impossible if it was 92 million miles away. If that was true, its rays woul remain parallel to the ground, and would not have that effect. It is like a projector that has been placed right above our heads, by some creative genious that cannot even be fathomed.
They do not want you to see this. They want you to live in the delusion of their world religion which is slowly being put into place, while you are busy watching Dancing with the Stars on television. So they can be your gods. (You're nothing but an insignificant speck, with million other planets out there, and they all came from nothing. What's so special about you, anyway?). So they lie to you by making you believe that they went out there, and saw it all. They stage fake theatrical shows, using means that they think are very clever, but when you look closely, the illusion falls appart so easily. They are denying the signs of the Creator that are all around them. This is the same gibt and taghoot that Muhammad had to deal with.
When you shift your paradigm to this new reality that there are no other "earths" out there beyond the dome, that we cannot go out there, that we are not meant to go out there, that the Creator designed this mind-boggling thing to make sure that we don't go anywhere, that there is only one, flat, endless and motionless plane (perhaps there are other biodomes - pockets of life - on this endless plane, but we are not meant to reach them yet, because we don't deserve to). Who knows what Richard Byrd saw over that wall, in 1957?
And this Creator put a fierce, fiery lamp over us to light our days, and then made its light refract off a heavnly lens to illuminate our nights, you come to realize that this Earth we live on IS the universe, and that the Creator is indeed focused on us. When you realize that we are all inside this dome, in our very own Truman Show, your whole perspective changes immediately and you begin to see what was the point of their deception all along.
If the Earth was round, then how do you explain that the horizon never drops below your eye site, no matter how high you go? Why can't you see this truth? Look at those hot air baloons that rise to 3 times the altitude of an airplane, as they videotape the horizon, and note that when the wobble of the camera stops, you see a perfectly flat plane, whose horizon remains all around you, as far as your eyes can see. If the Earth was a globe, no matter how big, the horizon would eventually drop away, out of your line of sight. A simple 3-D computer rendering can prove this.
Your problem is that you ask for "emperical evidence", but the fact is NOTHING will make you see it. No amount of evidence whatosever will convince you. So what is it exactly that you're looking for?
You can't believe that people in the 21st century still believe in this myth?
Who told you it's a myth? Is it those sly "archeologists", who smile through their teeth at the camera, while holding up a Sumerian or ancient Nordic tablet, and mock and ridicule something that they don't even understand, automatically disregarding is as a myth. Why?
Whose to say it's not the other way around?
In the end, it's a matter of perspective. To me, the truth is very clear, and I can now move on.
Peace.
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Proof plz, take us to those big ice walls
I would love to go with you, i wont be afraid of those americans waiting for me with ships and planes to kill me if i want to see how flat your conspiracy is.r
Comeone, this is nuts. Did you see these big ice walls all around your imaginable flat earth with your own eyes or are you just copy and pasting conspiracy theories which u see on your flat pc monitor?
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A reference of another "flat earther", citing the 'example' of Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz (Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia) who said
"We must make careful checks whenever the kuffar or faseqoontell us something we cannot believe or disbelieve them until we get sufficient proof on which the Muslims can depend."
"I only deemed it lawful to kill whoever claims that the world is round and refuses to repent of this after clarification. This is because denying the flatness of the world constitutes a denial of Allah (Glorified be He), His Great Book, and His Honorable Messenger. It is well established in the Din by way of decisive evidence and Ijma` of scholars that whoever denies Allah, His Messenger or His Book is a Kafir and their blood and wealth become violable. It is the duty of the responsible authority to ask them to repent of this; either they repent or be executed. Thanks to Allah that this issue is not debatable among scholars."
Then later the holy mufti met with Prince Sultan bin Salman Al Saud, a Saudi royal member who just came back from Discovery space shuttle mission, in which he witnessed "I saw the earth is round and I saw it rotate".
The holy mufti of course didn't even dare to label the member of house of Saud as a kuffar, and he change his statement to
"If Muslims chose to believe the world was round, that was their business, and I would not quarrel with them religiously. But I was inclined to trust what I felt beneath my feet rather than the statements of scientists"
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Gravity
Disproof of Gravityhttp//www.gsjournal.net/old/science/guerami.pdf
Seven things that don't make sense about gravity http//www.newscientist.com/special/seven-things-that-dont-make-sense-about-gravity
"Gravity Doesn't Exist" --Is this Fundamental Phenomenon of the Universe an Illusion?http//www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2012/11/gravity-doesnt-exist-is-gravity-an-illusion.html-
Did you read these texts?
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The pdf is a joke. There is absolutely no proof of anything in there. This guy agrees that less dense things rise, while denser things sink. But he goes on saying that this rising and sinking is INSTEAD of gravity. He says there is no need for gravity since e.g. the rising of a helium balloon can be explained by difference in density. Oh, But he forgot to mention why denser things are forced downward in place of less dense things. He forgot about gravity.
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The new scientist link just highlights how gravity is not very well known... it's mysterious in many ways. Does incomplete knowledge about something make it false or non-existent? I think not.
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The last link just talks about a guy who questions stuff about gravity and things connected to gravity. He likens gravity with temperature... and talks about how they are meaning full at some scales and not meaningful at other scales.
Apart from the guy in the pdf, who doesn't prove anything at all, the other two links don't say anything about gravity not existing. At most, what they are saying is that the thing which we call gravity, which makes things fall to the ground, because things do fall to the ground, is perhaps not very well known as a physical phenomenon. They might be questioning how gravity is used to explain, and explained by, other physical theories.
I'd like to know what flat earth supporters would define gravity as. What is it that they claim doesn't exist. What is in the word "gravity"? What is it that doesn't exist? It would be quite silly to insist that something doesn't exists while not knowing what you are referring to. Things do fall to the ground. Call it whatever you want. As of now it is called as an effect of gravity.
Like
A Hobbglobbery doesn't exist!
B What is hobbglobbery?
A I don't know?
B But you know it doesn't exist?
A Yes..
B brickwallPeace
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Another question
How come different places of Earth have access to different parts of the sky?
The star constellations vary depending on where you are in the world.
A spherical Earth would explain this.This has nothing to do with the sun. Even if we believe that the sun has a cylinder shaped shade to block off light to reach other than day light areas, how are areas of the night sky varied and divided into sections that gradually change depending on how you move?
sun
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Dear hicham9
Here is my challenge to you Can you show me any evidence of a South Polar flight? What I mean by this is a flight that takes off from Australia, crosses Antarctica, and reaches South America? If you can do that, I will rest my case and congratulate you. The fact is you cannot. Even Wikipedia denies the existence of such flights.
Here is a quote from Wikipedia
Few airlines fly between cities having a great circle route over Antarctica. Direct flights between South Africa and New Zealand would overfly Antarctica, but no airline has scheduled such flights.
Yes, there are tourist flights that go to Antarctica. I am not denying the presence of this place. Ships sail there, people even go to do kayak and sightseeing. What I am trying to make you undertand is that Antarctica is basically a huge ice shelf which surrounds the Earth. It is not a continent that you can circle around or fly over. Why is it so difficult for you to grasp this?
The deeper reaches of this shelf are guarded by the military, and airplanes are turned away. The reason the maps hicham9 posted don't show this, is because they are innacurate in their portrayal of the rim. They are too primitive, eventhough they do give you a general idea of how the land masses are laid out in a flat plane
Peace.
Peace Pazuzu
I never said there are flights crossing antrarctica from australia/nz to south america.
Initially you mentioned(and the gentleman in the video) there is no direct non-stop flights from australia/nz to south america. That information is wrong since there is direct non-stop 11 hour flight from Auckland to Santiago which I have personally taken. So objecting to that wrong information provided in the video that those flights are just phantom flights. Btw there is direct non-stop flight from Sydney to Santiago by Qantas also which takes around 12 hours.
http//www.qantas.com.au/travel/airlines/route-maps/global/en
These flights do not need to cross antractica just crosses the ocean .
Now if there is something else going on these flight I don't know. Like in the other video someone says flight tracker does not show this flights after taking off. So they doubt the actual route of these flights. But the fact is those flights I mentioned are real,not some made up phantom flights.
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I think you will find it little effective reasoning with flat earthers. In that sense they are very similar to the hadithers.
Peace