Time To Change Your Paradigm
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I agree with the Nabster in this. And it is very unfair for Pazuzu for he has really done a hell of a job with the Qura'nic version of such narrations in which the Qur'anic version has been wholly subverted by straneous stories from hte bible or others.
Which is why I say again let each thing stand on its own merits and leave alone the persons.
Salaam
If I were Pazuzu, which I am not, but if I were in his shoes so to speak, I will always when I present a hypothesis put a disclaimer that I might be wrong, it is good practice, even in Science, and especially with controversial subjects.
As for beliefs, if I believe the Earth is Flat, no evidence will ever convince me of the contrary,
human minds are very tricky on the matter of beliefs and have a knack at finding proof for them, and ruling out anything that challenges them, despite any evidence to the contrary,
this is why Allah sent Prophets and Messengers, and He clearly said it, Man was created weak, even going as far that that which we cannot prove and have no knowledege of, we should steer away from debating, not knowing everything is not a sin.
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human minds are very tricky on the matter of beliefs and have a knack at finding proof for them, and ruling out anything that challenges them, despite any evidence to the contrary,
this is why Allah sent Prophets and Messengers, and He clearly said it, Man was created weak, even going as far that that which we cannot prove and have no knowledege of, we should steer away from debating, not knowing everything is not a sin.
My thoughts exactly.
And for people wishing to debate, then someone suggested that there be just listed facts; for and against and leave it for the readers to judge for themselves, that would be a lot better.
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http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603137.0
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603245.0
Thank you so much!
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If I were Pazuzu, which I am not, but if I were in his shoes so to speak, I will always when I present a hypothesis put a disclaimer that I might be wrong, it is good practice, even in Science, and especially with controversial subjects.
As for beliefs, if I believe the Earth is Flat, no evidence will ever convince me of the contrary,
human minds are very tricky on the matter of beliefs and have a knack at finding proof for them, and ruling out anything that challenges them, despite any evidence to the contrary,
this is why Allah sent Prophets and Messengers, and He clearly said it, Man was created weak, even going as far that that which we cannot prove and have no knowledege of, we should steer away from debating, not knowing everything is not a sin.
The joke is that there is no Earth at all in our immediate experience. It isn't like most of us experience the sight of a round Earth or a flat earth from a ship in space or anything ourselves, we just have experiences, those experiences are information, and the information we experience doesn't really occur in any particular location necessarily, since location itself is just information as well, we exist and experience whatever Allah makes us experience, one day we might go in a space ship and see a round Earth, the other day we might see a flat Earth, and we might remember it was always that way or it might seem like a change, all of it is incredibly easy for Allah since it is just information manipulated, down to how we believe and what we believe.
So that is why I find the whole thing largely irrelevant, though I have no problem with the scientists or their models. Then again, I'm a full blown Occutlist.
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The Earth is actually an illusion and made of energy keeping its integrity due to its sustainer.
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The Earth is actually an illusion and made of energy keeping its integrity due to its sustainer.
Yeah, not too different from what I was saying maybe.
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I concur. This integrity of energy is kept in the way the Mendelejev table shows us.
Quran has two explicit references to electron count as far as I know
And of everything We have created pairs, that you may remember => reference to deuterium aka heavy hydrogen that is 14.5 billion years old.
Over it is 19 => reference to potassium
If God created the universe with a word, that word would probably have been 'hydrogen'
Peace
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I think you guys should have your own sub-forum on here and should gather together and petition the administration of this website to make you a sub forum like the 19 Rashad Khalifa people got.
No thank you.
Perhaps, ye are interested in having "your own sub-forum"!
Why not call it -The ball? we live in is an "illusion"!-?
?Or. The solid, flat ground (we stand upon) !?
Ps. don't ye dare start a new sect, tho!
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No thank you.
Perhaps, ye are interested in having "your own sub-forum"!
Why not call it "The ball? we live in is an illusion!"?
?Or. The solid, flat ground (we stand upon)!?
Ps. don't ye dare start a new sect, tho!
I emailed this privately to pazuzu, I think it's good I make it public
Salam Hi Bro pazuzu,
Why the sudden fascination and conversion to this Flat Earth business?
You did a tremendous job on SW Arabia, why get sucked in with the Flat Earthers, they don't have a single Scientist of repute to back up their claims, only conjecture and lousy videos.
If you wish to bounce ideas with me, please do, we can create a social network pressure group asking for NASA &/or the Russian Space Agency to invite a representative to ascertain once and for all this Flat Earth / Round Earth debate.
While Saudi and Israel are busy destroying evidence of Prophethoods in SW Arabia, please don't get diverted and distracted on this flat earth red herring.
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I emailed this privately to pazuzu, I think it's good I make it public
Salam Hi Bro pazuzu,
Why the sudden fascination and conversion to this Flat Earth business?
You did a tremendous job on SW Arabia, why get sucked in with the Flat Earthers, they don't have a single Scientist of repute to back up their claims, only conjecture and lousy videos.
If you wish to bounce ideas with me, please do, we can create a social network pressure group asking for NASA &/or the Russian Space Agency to invite a representative to ascertain once and for all this Flat Earth / Round Earth debate.
While Saudi and Israel are busy destroying evidence of Prophethoods in SW Arabia, please don't get diverted and distracted on this flat earth red herring.
. I'm with you.
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If they could call us "the flat earthers",
then it's mean... we could call them "the ball earthers"? ;D
Chuckle!
Ironic, indeed! ;DLet's not forget the ball earthers' head shape!
http//41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m1yuw3rQBP1rt6dvto1_1280.jpg
It's FLAT!
Sad, indeed!
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Hicham, I'm thankful that not everyone like to be deceived.
I think the number of "flat earthers" is increasing pretty fast. Praise be to Allah.
Perhaps the members of this forum still do not know that this awareness (about the reality of the earth) seems to "rise", more and more people seem to aware about this.
I like this quote THE TRUTH CANNOT BE STOPPED
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Hicham, I'm thankful that not everyone like to be deceived.
I think the number of "flat earthers" is increasing pretty fast. Praise be to Allah. )
Perhaps the members of this forum still do not know that this awareness (about the reality of the earth) seems to "rise", more and more people seem to aware about this.
I like this quote THE TRUTH CANNOT BE STOPPED
It looks to me like more and more people are being hypnotised into a Flat Earther mentality
Anyone of these Flat Earthers created a social network pressure group to get a rep flied in to the ISS?
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Chuckle!
Ironic, indeed! ;DLet's not forget the ball earthers' head shape!
It's FLAT!
Sad, indeed!
Brother, did I miss something?