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Hawk99,
Peace Man of Faith, thank you for your reply, I have no problem with those
who are not able to fast the month of Ramadan, but do you honor 2/184?I do not fast because I am "not able" but because I deem the interpretation to be rather weak. But I practice general abstention in my life despite that because abstention is in the message of Quran. I am going to delve into those passages containing the word Ramadhan eventually (my full reinterpretation of Quran has come up to chapter 2 passage 6, but I do not have faith in ritualism.
What do you mean "honor 2/184"?
First of all, it uses the word allah that does not equal the Rabb.
Be well
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The verses are not referring to prophets or leaders.
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All the pronouns used are in plural form addressing to masses not leaders. Prophets conveyed the message and when people followed it they gained success. Yes Muslim were persecuted during prophet's time but they did succeed as per God's promise because they were Sabiroon and Muminoon.
@Man of Faith
Thanks brother for the explanation of the terms Muslim and Muminoon. There was a reason why I did not translate the key words in the verses like Deen, Kafara, Yabuduni and Muminoon. We have inherited twisted meanings of the Quranic terms and then we wonder why we are not successful despite the fact that mosques are full 5 times a day and people are fasting 20 hours a day.
People will only gain success when they start acting like Muminoon. By the way one of the attribute of God is Al-Mumin as per 5823
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He is Allah, besides whom there is no god, the Sovereign, the Supreme-In-Holiness, the Safe (from all defects), the Giver-Of-Peace, the Guardian, the All-Mighty, the All-Repairer, the Sublime. Pure is Allah from what they associate with Him. (23)How does one act like a muminoon.
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Freedomstands,
By behaving.
Muminen funnily means the Behaviorist. Sounds funny, but you could also think of actor and actress. The way of acting.
But Quran refers to those who behave or rather who realize themselves rather than being nobody. Amen means "Be Of Integrity". When with no grammatical structure at all it means either behave or realize. It is the preposition (min) with an attached prefix alef on the word and that preposition refers to a condition of something.
Well the word means a little depending on usage.
For example,
If you say amen amen I tell you it urges you to realize what I am about to say.
Mumineen means those who are realized already as in being a certain way.
Be well
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How does one act like a muminoon.
@Man of Faith thanks brother for defining Muminoon. Of course a Mumin is not a follower of empty rituals to credit his account book for rewards but is an actor with the goal to provide peace to others and to himself as well.
@ FreedomStands Muminoon have been defined in Qur'an. Please consider 231-11
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Hawk99,
What do you mean "honor 2/184"?
Peace Man of Faith
Do you expiate for the days that you do not fast by feeding a poor person?
2/184 a limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or
on a journey then an equal number of days. And upon those who
are able a ransom of feeding a poor person . And whoever volunteers
excess it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.How does one act like a muminoon.
9/112 the repentant, the worshippers, the praisers, the travelers
, those who bow and prostrate, those who enjoin
what is right and forbid what is wrong, and those who observe the limits
Allah. And give good tidings to the believers.God bless you
peace
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@Man of Faith thanks brother for defining Muminoon. Of course a Mumin is not a follower of empty rituals to credit his account book for rewards but is an actor with the goal to provide peace to others and to himself as well.
@ FreedomStands Muminoon have been defined in Qur'an. Please consider 231-11
231-11
Successful indeed are the believers
those who humble themselves in their prayer, (Allatheena hum fee salatihim khashiAAoona)
and who turn away from all that is frivolous,
Those who of purification works (are) doers,
And who guard their private parts,
except with their wives, and what their right hands possess for then they are free from blame,
But whoso craveth beyond that, such are transgressors -
Those who faithfully observe their trusts and their covenant;
And those who keep a guard on their prayers; Waallatheena hum AAala salawatihim yuhafithoona
These are the heirs
Who will inherit paradise. There they will abide. -
231-11
Successful indeed are the believers
those who humble themselves in their prayer, (Allatheena hum fee salatihim khashiAAoona)
and who turn away from all that is frivolous,
Those who of purification works (are) doers,
And who guard their private parts,
except with their wives, and what their right hands possess for then they are free from blame,
But whoso craveth beyond that, such are transgressors -
Those who faithfully observe their trusts and their covenant;
And those who keep a guard on their prayers; Waallatheena hum AAala salawatihim yuhafithoona
These are the heirs
Who will inherit paradise. There they will abide.Like!
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And the believers keep their word; they are trustworthy.
God bless
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@Man of Faith thanks brother for defining Muminoon. Of course a Mumin is not a follower of empty rituals to credit his account book for rewards but is an actor with the goal to provide peace to others and to himself as well.
The struggle for a Mumin is to realize themselves in what must be done, i.e. gain the integrity of allah.
Be well
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Do you expiate for the days that you do not fast by feeding a poor person?
2/184 a limited number of days. So whoever among you is ill or
on a journey then an equal number of days. And upon those who
are able a ransom of feeding a poor person . And whoever volunteers
excess it is better for him. But to fast is best for you, if you only knew.Do you want me to expiate for something that I do not think is a proper translation?
You know what I believe? I believe that ritualistic fast is a hoax.
But I am proceeding on that reinterpretation and translation project I am working on and I am steadily approaching those passages in question. In a while I will deliver what those passages talk about.
Be well
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Do you want me to expiate for something that I do not think is a proper translation?
You know what I believe? I believe that ritualistic fast is a hoax.
But I am proceeding on that reinterpretation and translation project I am working on and I am steadily approaching those passages in question. In a while I will deliver what those passages talk about.
Be well
Peace Man of Faith, correct me where I'm wrong, thus far you
do not believe in a defensive war, ritual salat, ritual fast, hajj, the qiblah
being Mecca, the Quran's general interpretation as it is today. You do believe
one can be one/meld/blend with the Rabb, you prefer use of the word
Rabb instead Allah, and you mention/inspired by Jesus more than Muhammad.God bless
peace
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Peace Man of Faith, correct me where I'm wrong, thus far you
do not believe in a defensive war, ritual salat, ritual fast, hajj, the qiblah
being Mecca, the Quran's general interpretation as it is today. You do believe
one can be one/meld/blend with the Rabb, you prefer use of the word
Rabb instead Allah, and you mention/inspired by Jesus more than Muhammad.I don't know about his view on defensive war,
but the rest seems to be a suitable summary of MoF... now.
@ MoF, what happened to you?
Bold This is risky, MoF, don't you understand?
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Hawk99,
I do not really do it because I prefer Rabb. I say it because allah does not mean anything like Rabb.
I know Jesus more than a person than Muhammad yes. Muhammad is a warlord and warmonger and an unrighteous man according to tradition.
You become symbiont with the Rabb because it is like being connected to a mainframe. But just like you I see the Rabb way beyond myself and it is my Sustainer (as the word indicates). It is ultimately Oneness as unlike you and Javalatte here I do not affirm duality of existence which I actually call slightly tantamount to idolatry. Nor do I equal myself with the Rabb as it is the platform I am dependent on and it can do anything it likes with me if it wills. However, I can sync with the platform and gain its abilities to the extent it grants me them. And to cling unto the Rabb is the only way I can become separated from the flesh permanently.
The Rabb said "Do not take an image of anything in HEAVEN or Earth and worship it. For that you clearly have separated the Rabb from the Oneness. (Pantheism or what to say is the only way you affirm Oneness).
Defensive war is situational. I only know Quran does not delve into that much because it is not its purpose of teaching. But obviously you do not have to stand apathetic if someone is going to storm your land and home.
By the way, I ran across a word for murder or slay in Quran for you Thaal-Ba-Ha. That is an outright word for to slay someone.
As for the ritualism you mentioned. No I do not put my faith in such.
Be well
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Javalatte,
Not if you have not done anything wrong and have insight and strong evidence which supports your claims. Do you think I would be a rambling man? No I have spent the last years in intensive study.
It is only your worship of the idol allateh which blinds you. Wish you could open up your eyes and see it is you who should be aware.
Be well
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Nor do I equal myself with the Rabb as it is the platform I am dependent on and it can do anything it likes with me if it wills.
Yeah!
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Yeah!
Good we are on terms.
Be well you humble one
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231-11
Successful indeed are the believers
those who humble themselves in their prayer salat, (Allatheena hum fee salatihim khashiAAoona)
and who turn away from all that is frivolous,
Those who of purification works (are) doers,
And who guard their private parts,
except with their wives, and what their right hands possess for then they are free from blame,
But whoso craveth beyond that, such are transgressors -
Those who faithfully observe their trusts and their covenant;
And those who keep a guard on their prayers salawat; Waallatheena hum AAala salawatihim yuhafithoona
These are the heirs
Who will inherit paradise. There they will abide.Yes the issue is what is SALAT?
Peace -
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Quote from Novice on June 27, 2015, 032915 PM
@Man of Faith thanks brother for defining Muminoon. Of course a Mumin is not a follower of empty rituals to credit his account book for rewards but is an actor with the goal to provide peace to others and to himself as well.@ FreedomStands Muminoon have been defined in Qur'an. Please consider 231-11
231-11
Successful indeed are the believers
those who humble themselves in their prayer, (Allatheena hum fee salatihim khashiAAoona)
and who turn away from all that is frivolous,
Those who of purification works (are) doers,
And who guard their private parts,
except with their wives, and what their right hands possess for then they are free from blame,
But whoso craveth beyond that, such are transgressors -
Those who faithfully observe their trusts and their covenant;
And those who keep a guard on their prayers; Waallatheena hum AAala salawatihim yuhafithoona
These are the heirs
Who will inherit paradise. There they will abide.Is the above a definition of a muminoon or a definition of SUCCESSFUL MUMINOON who will inherit paradise?
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peace
Is the above a definition of a muminoon or a definition of SUCCESSFUL MUMINOON who will inherit paradise?
Salaam hafeez kazi
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Success is really attained by the believers (1) Who concentrate their attention in humbleness when offering Salah (prayers) (2) (Yousuf Ali)
Successful are the believers, Those who humbly and whole-heartedly follow Divine Commands (Dr. Shabbir Ahmad)
It is defining Muminoon. It is not saying "successful believers are those who....rather "Successful are the believers who.......
Have peace
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Peace Novice
The believers those, whose hearts thrill with fear when Allah is mentioned, and when His revelations are rehearsed unto them, they increase their faith and who trust in their Lord. WHO establish prayer and who expend of that wherewith We have provided them. Those are they who are in truth believers. For them are grades (of honor) with their Lord, and pardon, and a bountiful provision. 82/3/4
Virtue is not in this that ye turn your faces toward the east and west, but virtue is of him who believed in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the prophets and gives wealth in spite of love for it unto kindred and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and the beggars and for redeeming necks, and ESTABLISHED prayer and gave Zakat and is of the performers of their covenant when they have covenanted; and is of the patient in adversity and affliction and in time or violence these are they who are proven true, and these they are MUTTAQEN 2177
Thanks
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The believers those, whose hearts thrill with fear when Allah is mentioned, and when His revelations are rehearsed unto them, they increase their faith and who trust in their Lord. WHO establish prayer and who expend of that wherewith We have provided them. Those are they who are in truth believers. For them are grades (of honor) with their Lord, and pardon, and a bountiful provision. 82/3/4
Virtue is not in this that ye turn your faces toward the east and west, but virtue is of him who believed in Allah and the Last Day and the angels and the Book and the prophets and gives wealth in spite of love for it unto kindred and orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and the beggars and for redeeming necks, and ESTABLISHED prayer and gave Zakat and is of the performers of their covenant when they have covenanted; and is of the patient in adversity and affliction and in time or violence these are they who are proven true, and these they are MUTTAQEN 2177
Salaam brother hafeez kazi
What the red part in 2177 means? When one turns his face towards east and west? Why traditional translations make salah=prayer and zakat=charity tax @ 2.5% whereas in Arabic root S-L-W means to follow closely and zaka means to give growth. Why root meanings of the key words in Qur'an are changed to promote certain rituals?
Having said that we are free to follow what we choose to follow. No compulsion in DEEN. )
Have peace.