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Peace brother,
The truth does not need repetition. I know you will agree with this
Peace my good brother
You gotta be kidding, the truth does indeed need repetition, please read Quran Kareem.
"Allah is all knowing" is repeated how many times in Quran, prayer and zakat, are repeated
how many times? These are just few examples of How the truth (Quran) is repeated.Peace brother,
Yes bro, I live in India so fast accordingly.Good
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
I agree pr
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Hawk99,
Perhaps not, but I am closer now than before. I have not encountered kill yet in my translation work. It is not like Quran speaks of killing every other passage, but I expect it to speak of it when I come to where it speaks about the Ten Commandments.
Qatal means defeat or master someone, but it does not per se imply killing.
Mowt is lifelessness/death.
Anyway, what did that have to do with my post about what Muslim is? Can you tell me?
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Salaam brother,
Okay.Lets consider this single verse for example
936 The count of the months with God is twelve months in the book of God the day He created the heavens and the earth; four of them are restricted. This is the correct system; so do not wrong yourselves in them; and fight the polytheists collectively as they fight you collectively. And know that God is with the righteous
This verse is addressing the believers(Let's assume they are A,B,C by name) to fight against who broke the treaty with muslims.The word for fight in above verse is Qatil .
For example A may think Qatil means "x" B "y" C "z"
Now how will they collectively do x/y/z against disbelievers? That's impossible.Take real life example. We are still in dispute about the meaning of Salah let alone how to do it.
243 And establish prayer and give zakah and bow with those who bow .
555 Verily, your Wali (Protector or Helper) is Allah, His Messenger, and the believers, - those who perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat, and they bow down (submit themselves with obedience to Allah in prayer).
2226 anything with Me and purify My House for those who perform Tawaf and those who ... stand and those who bow and ...
4829 the Messenger of Allah ; and those with him are forceful against the ... among themselves. You see them bowing and prostrating , seeking ... the disbelievers. Allah has promised those who believe and do righteous deeds ..Again there are plenty of verses in Quran that start with Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo(I think its plural)
I may be wrong quoting verses.Consider me a novice.
z.neion
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Ya ayyuha allatheena amanoo(I think its plural)
Yes. It is plural. Although it is conditional, i.e. it addresses those who do amanoo.
However, aman does not mean what they traditionally imply, but that is another thing.
'Amanoo' means to do something a particular way linguistically (i.e. behave/be a particular way).
The famous prayer ending 'amen' means "(may) it be so", i.e. that something is done accordingly to what has just been uttered.
Be well
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@ Man Of Faith
Salaam Brother,My previous post was a response to Brother mmkhan.Yeah I know the word Qatal has nothing to do with your post.(Thanks for the meaning )) I cited that for an example,where believers are asked to do something collectively ...as brother mmkhan claimed every one should act individually on what one understand.
Sorry for my English
Thank you.
z.neion
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Sorry neion,
I have a habit of jumping in between posts with remarks.
Be well
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Peace reel, don't be fooled by such explanations, the facing is for
oneness and uniformity during congregational prayer.God bless
I agree with you about oneness and uniformity. After finding the truth, however, I learned that the way I love Allah can no longer stay limited to doing ritualistic prayers. And my mom now has given me more faith in the idea that they hardly have much value. I still fully support recital of Surahs. Its in the Quran anyways and they have fulfilled many of my wishes. But can't recitation be a kind of prayer?
When I see the word qatil I think of throat slitting.
Thats what the "groupthink" of scholars conditioned us to believe. MOF is right about the several meanings of qatal.
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Reel,
If you can recognize Arabic letters and have Lane's Lexicon (downloadable as a 60MB file as PDF) you can verify my claim personally and see I am rarely mumbling about my arguments in the forun. You will find "to master" and "defeat" as mentioned definitions. Those are also what the word qatal really mean, i.e. to defeat someone no matter the mode, be it verbally or physically. Whether the person dies or not does not come forth by the word alone.
If you put forth an argument and people accept it then you have qatal'ed those who argued against you.
Be well
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I agree with you about oneness and uniformity. After finding the truth, however, I learned that the way I love Allah can no longer stay limited to doing ritualistic prayers. And my mom now has given me more faith in the idea that they hardly have much value. I still fully support recital of Surahs. Its in the Quran anyways and they have fulfilled many of my wishes.
Peace reel, turn to your lord in the way that is best for you, rituals included
or excluded. Allah has given us a means of approach and contact and has
not left us without such measures, this is one of the purposes of rituals
given to Abraham and later to us. If rituals have no value why were they given to Abraham?
While sectarian poison has found it's way into the deen, we must not throw
out the "baby with the bathwater" but purify the rituals to the point that they
are once again wholesome and beneficial. While we can feel free to invent
our own ritual , Allah has the best suggestions.I But can't recitation be a kind of prayer?
Good question, the recitation of the Quran is a definite help and is a
contact/connection with our lord, but the Quran mentions reciting
and salat in different contexts.May Allah grant you a blessed Ramadan
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Peace reel, turn to your lord in the way that is best for you, rituals included
or excluded. Allah has given us a means of approach and contact and has
not left us without such measures,Peace,
I agree and this is what I tried to show in my opening post of this thread.
I also feel that rituals are burden but we have to follow it because it is how Allah guided many of us only because of our level towards Him. If we upgrade in our grades/levels then surely Allah makes things easy for us and may remove all the rituals/burden from us. BUT we have to be honest to ourselves and has to follow what Allah has guided us to.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Peace,
I agree and this is what I tried to show in my opening post of this thread.
I also feel that rituals are burden but we have to follow it because it is how Allah guided many of us only because of our level towards Him. If we upgrade in our grades/levels then surely Allah makes things easy for us and may remove all the rituals/burden from us. BUT we have to be honest to ourselves and has to follow what Allah has guided us to.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanAre you sure that Allah removes worship from those he favors?
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Peace,
Please stick to the topic and words carefully. Did I say worship?
And whatever I said is from mine and my friends personal experiences. AlhamduliAllah.May Allah bless you pr
mmKhanYou said rituals/burdens, which I think you were referring to the formal salat? So I asked if you think it works like that really, that Allah actually removes worship from those he favors. I think we're on topic? No? Yes, you and your friends have actually found that removal of formal worship means you are being favored rather than cursed by Allah?
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Peace,
I agree and this is what I tried to show in my opening post of this thread.
I also feel that rituals are burden but we have to follow it because it is how Allah guided many of us only because of our level towards Him. If we upgrade in our grades/levels then surely Allah makes things easy for us and may remove all the rituals/burden from us. BUT we have to be honest to ourselves and have to follow what Allah has guided us to.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanI like this remark, and was very glad to read it, I agree!
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Peace reel, turn to your lord in the way that is best for you, rituals included
or excluded. Allah has given us a means of approach and contact and has
not left us without such measures, this is one of the purposes of rituals
given to Abraham and later to us. If rituals have no value why were they given to Abraham?Yes brother, but ritual is not ritual when it is done thinking more about the postures than focusing on Allah. My sis still prays in traditional way (sectarian stuffs removed), but since sun goes down now at 830pm she keeps complaining about the prayers. I admit that I was like that also before turning to Quran However, now its pretty different. For me, the intention matters and not sitting and standing up.
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Yes brother, but ritual is not ritual when it is done thinking more about the postures than focusing on Allah. My sis still prays in traditional way (sectarian stuffs removed), but since sun goes down now at 830pm she keeps complaining about the prayers. I admit that I was like that also before turning to Quran However, now its pretty different. For me, the intention matters and not sitting and standing up.
Peace reel, If what Allah has commanded you to do is too difficult and
a hardship, then do what is best for you. I recommend our continuing study of
Quran to bring the truth to light.These are GOD's revelations; we recite them to you, truthfully.
GOD does not wish any hardship for the people.I agree and this is what I tried to show in my opening post of this thread.
I also feel that rituals are burden but we have to follow it because it is how Allah guided many of us only because of our level towards Him. If we upgrade in our grades/levels then surely Allah makes things easy for us and may remove all the rituals/burden from us. BUT we have to be honest to ourselves and has to follow what Allah has guided us to.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanPeace brother mmKhan, burden can also be considered as duty to Allah.
Muhammad and the believers had a far greater burden/duty. They went
to war, were ostracized, killed, persecuted, and slandered, they observed Ramadan,
salat, zakat, and hajj. I on the other hand live a life of wealth and peace,
so compared to them I have no room to complain. I think we can agree
that the rituals need to be fixed, but not by selfish desire but by Quran Kareem.God bless
peace
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Peace reel, If what Allah has commanded you to do is too difficult and
a hardship, then do what is best for you. I recommend our continuing study of
Quran to bring the truth to light.These are GOD's revelations; we recite them to you, truthfully.
GOD does not wish any hardship for the people.Peace brother mmKhan, burden can also be considered as duty to Allah.
Muhammad and the believers had a far greater burden/duty. They went
to war, were ostracized, killed, persecuted, and slandered, they observed Ramadan,
salat, zakat, and hajj. I on the other hand live a life of wealth and peace,
so compared to them I have no room to complain. I think we can agree
that the rituals need to be fixed, but not by selfish desire but by Quran Kareem.God bless
peace
Is it okayeven if I think about Kim Kardashian and her dad's sex change during the prayer? Does that make the ritual valid?
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Peace.
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You shall seek help through steadfastness and the Salat. This is difficult indeed, but not so for the reverent,246
who believe that they will meet their Lord; that to Him they ultimately return.The fog will lift and the mind will be clear. The connection to the Lord cleans the mind.
GOD bless.
Peace.